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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/27/paul-ryans-firing-house-chaplain-outrages-democrats.html
The fact there is a chaplain hired for a government function should be the first clue there is a problem.
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I’m just surprised the libs actually knew there was a Chaplain.
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I’m just surprised the libs actually knew there was a Chaplain.
About as surprised as I was that the Republicans still pretend to follow anything biblical that isn't in the Old testament
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About as surprised as I was that the Republicans still pretend to follow anything biblical that isn't in the Old testament
Stop pretending that liberals can be Christians. They can’t. On you’re above quote and my response shows how naive you are.
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Stop pretending that liberals can be Christians. They can’t. On you’re above quote and my response shows how naive you are.
What would you know about Christianity?
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What would you know about Christianity?
Refute my statement
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Lol at the title for this thread.
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Refute my statement
Make a semi rational statement and I would be happy to expend the energy to address it. I'm not going to spend time debating a flat earther type argument
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I don't care that Ryan fired this guy
I just think Ryan is a WORLD CLASS PUSSY for lying about the reason why he did it
Have some fucking balls
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Bullshit thread title.
Ryan has told fellow Republicans that he fired the House chaplain, a Roman Catholic priest from the Jesuit order, after complaints from members that he wasn't doing a very good job -- not because of pressure over Conroy's political leanings.
"He had a number of complaints that the chaplain was not meeting the pastoral needs of the members in general," said Rep. Mike Coffman, R-Colo.
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Bullshit thread title.
and more bullshit from you say Republican Pete King
One of the members who brought up concerns was New York Republican Rep. Pete King, who said afterward that Ryan's explanation for asking the Rev. Pat Conroy, a Jesuit priest, to resign was "unsatisfactory." Both King and Ryan are Catholic.
"To me it was an unsatisfactory answer," King said. "It is such an unprecedented action to be to only be taken for very, very serious issues. And the speaker said it was just because certain people said he was not complying with their request or was not giving good counsel. I never heard that from anyone. Anyone who I know who deals with him has the highest regard for him."
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and more bullshit from you say Republican Pete King
Where does that say anything about him being too political or praying for the poor? Idiot ::)
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Where does that say anything about him being too political or praying for the poor? Idiot ::)
It directly addresses the claim that you posted...idiot
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Bullshit thread title.
That you have trouble with the truth is no surprise
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That you have trouble with the truth is no surprise
Can you quote the part where the article says he was fired for "being too political" or "praying for the poor"?
Geez, you liberals douches will lie about anything.
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Can you quote the part where the article says he was fired for "being too political" or "paying for the poor"?
Geez, you liberals douches will lie about anything.
It is right smack dap in the article had you bothered to break from the norm and actually read the article :)
"Democrats -- and Conroy himself -- have cited a prayer he offered last fall that called for fairness as the House debated tax cuts as a reason for GOP discontent with his performance.
Last November, Conroy prayed for lawmakers to make sure that "there are not winners and losers under new tax laws, but benefits balanced and shared by all Americans."
Conroy told The New York Times that shortly afterward, Ryan warned him to "stay out of politics."
Lazy ass Conservative douches.... ::)
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Stop pretending that liberals can be Christians. They can’t. On you’re above quote and my response shows how naive you are.
why not ?
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why not ?
Seriously?
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Seriously?
Yes
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Can you quote the part where the article says he was fired for "being too political" or "paying for the poor"?
Geez, you liberals douches will lie about anything.
Truly embarrassing. It's quite crazy how they will literally straight up lie when the words are right there. Didn't Grasping just lie about what Bannon said at a rally while quoting what he actually said, lol? Two peas in a pod these guys.
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It is right smack dap in the article had you bothered to break from the norm and actually read the article :)
"Democrats -- and Conroy himself -- have cited a prayer he offered last fall that called for fairness as the House debated tax cuts as a reason for GOP discontent with his performance.
Last November, Conroy prayed for lawmakers to make sure that "there are not winners and losers under new tax laws, but benefits balanced and shared by all Americans."
Conroy told The New York Times that shortly afterward, Ryan warned him to "stay out of politics."
Lazy ass Conservative douches.... ::)
I don't see it. Can you highlight the two phrases in this post?
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I don't see it. Can you highlight the two phrases in this post?
Its not your fault.. its the wiring in your brain.
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Stop pretending that liberals can be Christians. They can’t.
Spoken like a true 'born again Christian'. ::)
If you go to church, you should know this isn't true.
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Spoken like a true 'born again Christian'. ::)
If you go to church, you should know this isn't true.
Better chance of me running a marathon than him attending church
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Bullshit thread title.
Sure is.
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Spoken like a true 'born again Christian'. ::)
If you go to church, you should know this isn't true.
I'm not going to get into a theological debate (again) but a perfect example would be, if you claim to be a Christian and you donate or support Planned Parenthood in any way, shape or form...OR pro-choice, there is no way you can make that claim. That's just for starters.
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Better chance of me running a marathon than him attending church
Would you bet your account on it?
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I'm not going to get into a theological debate (again) but a perfect example would be, if you claim to be a Christian and you donate or support Planned Parenthood in any way, shape or form...OR pro-choice, there is no way you can make that claim. That's just for starters.
If you claim to be a Christian and you support Trump there is no way you can make that claim
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Stop pretending that liberals can be Christians. They can’t. On you’re above quote and my response shows how naive you are.
If you are the judge of who can and can't be Christians, then no wonder the religion is fucked.
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/27/paul-ryans-firing-house-chaplain-outrages-democrats.html
The fact there is a chaplain hired for a government function should be the first clue there is a problem.
It's only a problem if you believe government cannot engage in any form of religious expression. Fortunately, that's not the way the Constitution works. It's also inconsistent with 200 years of history: "The election of William Linn as first Chaplain of the House on May 1, 1789, continued the tradition established by the Second Continental Congress of each day's proceedings opening with a prayer by a chaplain." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaplain_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives#History
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It's only a problem if you believe government cannot engage in any form of religious expression. Fortunately, that's not the way the Constitution works. It's also inconsistent with 200 years of history: "The election of William Linn as first Chaplain of the House on May 1, 1789, continued the tradition established by the Second Continental Congress of each day's proceedings opening with a prayer by a chaplain." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaplain_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives#History
I believe the government should not engage in any form of religious expression. They should focus on governing.
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I believe the government should not engage in any form of religious expression. They should focus on governing.
You're entitled to that opinion, wrong as it may be. That's an extremist viewpoint. It's the view held by paranoid atheists running around the country filing lawsuits claiming emotional distress over seeing any form of religious expression on public property.
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You're entitled to that opinion, wrong as it may be. That's an extremist viewpoint. It's the view held by paranoid atheists running around the country filing lawsuits claiming emotional distress over seeing any form of religious expression on public property.
standard issue paranoid bullshit from a guy who imagines he's having a personal relationship with a 2000 year old Jewish zombie
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It's only a problem if you believe government cannot engage in any form of religious expression. Fortunately, that's not the way the Constitution works. It's also inconsistent with 200 years of history: "The election of William Linn as first Chaplain of the House on May 1, 1789, continued the tradition established by the Second Continental Congress of each day's proceedings opening with a prayer by a chaplain." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaplain_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives#History
I don't think the government should be engaging in religious expression, moreso when it starts making only certain religious expression or affiliation acceptable. The problem is when several bodies of government, down to the local level, only permit prayers and invocations from certain cults or religions and when others request to do the same they are either not granted permission or the rules and legislation are suddenly changed to stop the invocations.
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I don't think the government should be engaging in religious expression, moreso when it starts making only certain religious expression or affiliation acceptable. The problem is when several bodies of government, down to the local level, only permit prayers and invocations from certain cults or religions and when others request to do the same they are either not granted permission or the rules and legislation are suddenly changed to stop the invocations.
It has never been our custom, practice, or part of the Constitution to prohibit any form of religious expression by government. From the Founders to president day, we are largely comprised of people of faith. That's why we put a chaplain on the payroll in the 1700s.
I do agree that allowing prayers by some sects and not others could be a problem. Not sure of specific instances? And I'm not talking about people like Michael Newdow (we have our version of him in Hawaii). I mean legit sects that were denied the opportunity.
That said, you and Agnostic are making a much broader point than prayers before legislative bodies. You're talking about censoring all forms of religious expression on public property. Way too broad IMO.
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I don't think the government should be engaging in religious expression, moreso when it starts making only certain religious expression or affiliation acceptable. The problem is when several bodies of government, down to the local level, only permit prayers and invocations from certain cults or religions and when others request to do the same they are either not granted permission or the rules and legislation are suddenly changed to stop the invocations.
agree
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It has never been our custom, practice, or part of the Constitution to prohibit any form of religious expression by government. From the Founders to president day, we are largely comprised of people of faith. That's why we put a chaplain on the payroll in the 1700s.
I do agree that allowing prayers by some sects and not others could be a problem. Not sure of specific instances? And I'm not talking about people like Michael Newdow (we have our version of him in Hawaii). I mean legit sects that were denied the opportunity.
That said, you and Agnostic are making a much broader point than prayers before legislative bodies. You're talking about censoring all forms of religious expression on public property. Way too broad IMO.
Not quite. My point is that government has more important things to do than praying but even in such a case, and that is most important, that it should not only allow certain religious expression and disallow others it might not like.
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Not quite. My point is that government has more important things to do than praying but even in such a case, and that is most important, that it should not only allow certain religious expression and disallow others it might not like.
I agree in part. If we're talking about prayers before legislative bodies, and Congress in particular, they have one person on the payroll. I don't really care if they rotate the faith of the person who holds the job, but they should.
I disagree with the "more important things to do" part. Prayer is part of the fabric of our society. And we're talking about a few minutes of their time. Plus I'd rather have them praying than passing some asinine law that makes my life more difficult.
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I agree in part. If we're talking about prayers before legislative bodies, and Congress in particular, they have one person on the payroll. I don't really care if they rotate the faith of the person who holds the job, but they should.
I disagree with the "more important things to do" part. Prayer is part of the fabric of our society. And we're talking about a few minutes of their time. Plus I'd rather have them praying than passing some asinine law that makes my life more difficult.
Has legislative praying made them pass less asinine laws or made your life easier?
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Has legislative praying made them pass less asinine laws or made your life easier?
I doubt it. But who knows? Maybe they did less damage.
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I doubt it. But who knows? Maybe they did less damage.
Sound reasoning right there...
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Sound reasoning right there...
Sound and honest opinion. Thank you.
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I'm not going to get into a theological debate (again) but a perfect example would be, if you claim to be a Christian and you donate or support Planned Parenthood in any way, shape or form...OR pro-choice, there is no way you can make that claim. That's just for starters.
I don't recall reading that in the bible
Isn't the heaven supposedly filled with sinners who have accepted Jesus as their saviour
Isn't that the "good news"
Jesus and his Daddy (who are actually the same person) kept is simple for so idiots like you wouldn't get confused
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I don't recall reading that in the bible
Isn't the heaven supposedly filled with sinners who have accepted Jesus as their saviour
Isn't that the "good news"
Jesus and his Daddy (who are actually the same person) kept is simple for so idiots like you wouldn't get confused
Remember, Coach is Christian by name only
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Remember, Coach is Christian by name only
Sounds like the same way that he is a "coach"
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Sounds like the same way that he is a "coach"
I can't speak on that, but I know what Christianity is, and what Christians are supposed to be like
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Remember, Coach is Christian by name only
How do you know this?
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How do you know this?
Spent my life around and among them
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Spent my life around and among them
Have you spent your life around Coach? You know him in real life? You know what's in his heart?
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Have you spent your life around Coach? You know him in real life? You know what's in his heart?
how would anyone know "what's in his heart"
what does that even mean?
what does that mean to you?
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how would anyone know "what's in his heart"
what does that even mean?
what does that mean to you?
So if you (or Agnostic) don’t know who are you too pass judgement on me?
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So if you (or Agnostic) don’t know who are you too pass judgement on me?
They will know them by their fruits.... and of course their is Matthew 25, sheep and the goat parable. You got goat all over your Coach. Read that chapter and get back to me.
"But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. Before him all the nations will be gathered, and he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will tell those on his right hand, ‘Come, blessed of my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry, and you gave me food to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me drink. I was a stranger, and you took me in. I was naked, and you clothed me. I was sick, and you visited me. I was in prison, and you came to me.’
“Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry, and feed you; or thirsty, and give you a drink? When did we see you as a stranger, and take you in; or naked, and clothe you? When did we see you sick, or in prison, and come to you?’
“The King will answer them, ‘Most certainly I tell you, because you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’ Then he will say also to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry, and you didn’t give me food to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink; I was a stranger, and you didn’t take me in; naked, and you didn’t clothe me; sick, and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’
“Then they will also answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and didn’t help you?’
“Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Most certainly I tell you, because you didn’t do it to one of the least of these, you didn’t do it to me.’ These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
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They will know them by their fruits.... and of course their is Matthew 25, sheep and the goat parable. You got goat all over your Coach. Read that chapter and get back to me.
"But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. Before him all the nations will be gathered, and he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will tell those on his right hand, ‘Come, blessed of my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry, and you gave me food to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me drink. I was a stranger, and you took me in. I was naked, and you clothed me. I was sick, and you visited me. I was in prison, and you came to me.’
“Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry, and feed you; or thirsty, and give you a drink? When did we see you as a stranger, and take you in; or naked, and clothe you? When did we see you sick, or in prison, and come to you?’
“The King will answer them, ‘Most certainly I tell you, because you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’ Then he will say also to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry, and you didn’t give me food to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink; I was a stranger, and you didn’t take me in; naked, and you didn’t clothe me; sick, and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’
“Then they will also answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and didn’t help you?’
“Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Most certainly I tell you, because you didn’t do it to one of the least of these, you didn’t do it to me.’ These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
You are so full of crap. Stop trying to quote the Bible. You don't know Coach. You are in no position to judge him. And you are being a total hypocrite.
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You are so full of crap. Stop trying to quote the Bible. You don't know Coach. You are in no position to judge him. And you are being a total hypocrite.
Of your entire statement, none of it rings true. I have seen what Coach has written for years. I probably know him better than some of his clients. And comparing him to what the bible says is a perfectly legit way to judge him. He is no Christ like Christian. Not even close
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Of your entire statement, none of it rings true. I have seen what Coach has written for years. I probably know him better than some of his clients. And comparing him to what the bible says is a perfectly legit way to judge him. He is no Christ like Christian. Not even close
So let me get this straight: you have been reading comments on a message board for years and because of that you know what's in that person's heart, what kind of relationship he has with God, etc. Ridiculous. I would expect that kind of garbage from the Village Idiot.
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So let me get this straight: you have been reading comments on a message board for years and because of that you know what's in that person's heart, what kind of relationship he has with God, etc. Ridiculous. I would expect that kind of garbage from the Village Idiot.
Let me get this straight, for arguments sake.. If you were to follow a supremacists blog, read time and again a person on that blog talk about burning crosses, beating up minorities and how they are sub human... it would be impossible for you because you "don't know what's in their heart or their relationship with God etc" to determine that the writer is a racists? give me a friggin break
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So if you (or Agnostic) don’t know who are you too pass judgement on me?
By that same standard who are you to pass judgement on liberals and claim they can't be Christians?
Why do so called Christians always get tripped up by hypocrisy so easily? ::)
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Let me get this straight, for arguments sake.. If you were to follow a supremacists blog, read time and again a person on that blog talk about burning crosses, beating up minorities and how they are sub human... it would be impossible for you because you "don't know what's in their heart or their relationship with God etc" to determine that the writer is a racists? give me a friggin break
I think you can conclude that a person belonging to Stormfront who repeatedly posts overtly racist things is probably a racist. But that's not what we're talking about. Your hypothetical is pretty darn offensive. Why mention Coach in the same breath as some white supremacist. You wouldn't like it if someone used a NAMBLA hypothetical to talk about your hypocrisy.
We're talking about you judging what is in Coach's heart regarding his faith and his personal relationship with God. No, reading his posts on this website do not give you enough information to categorically tell him he isn't a Christian.
And frankly, you really don't know much about being a Christian. You don't believe in God, you don't believe in the Bible, and you do nothing more than cherry pick stuff you find on Google.
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Apparently the Chaplain has rescinded his resignation
Maybe he looked into the heart of Paul Ryan and realized he was a lying douche
Although all Ryan needs is one confession and some penance and he's right back in line for purgatory when he dies
Good Times
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So let me get this straight: you have been reading comments on a message board for years and because of that you know what's in that person's heart, what kind of relationship he has with God, etc. Ridiculous. I would expect that kind of garbage from the Village Idiot.
even better, guys like you and our idiot phony "coach" have said who can who can't be real christian's without actually knowing "what's in their heart"...again whatever the fuck that means
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looks like Paul Ryan has accepted the rescission of the resignation letter
fun fact
James Madison, the father of the Constitution and primary author of the First Amendment, was also a member of the House committee that chose the first chaplain. But years later, he concluded that Congress had made a mistake. In an essay that scholars believe was written between 1820 and 1830, Madison asked: “Is the appointment of Chaplains to the two Houses of Congress consistent with the Constitution, and with the pure principle of religious freedom?” His answer: “In strictness the answer on both points must be in the negative.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-do-we-need-a-chaplain-in-congress-anyway/2018/05/01/8ca98862-4d75-11e8-b725-92c89fe3ca4c_story.html?utm_term=.833b198affb0
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By that same standard who are you to pass judgement on liberals and claim they can't be Christians?
Why do so called Christians always get tripped up by hypocrisy so easily? ::)
But hypocrisy doesn't apply to them
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But hypocrisy doesn't apply to them
Christianity depends on a disconnection from reality in order to exist. So it's really no surprise.