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Vince and I will be seeing this in the movies together.
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To bad he devloped those back problems but damn was he the GOAT!
I saw him in 2003 and Cutler was lucky to be second. Dude was just CRAZY that year!
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GOAT but perhaps now that thats over it might be time for a little better judgement..still doing those bouncing heavy shrugs..you just sense those compressed discs....I feel a little back twinge when I bounce a little weight with light gym rat shrugs...Cant imagine him bouncing those heavy shrugs on his back...But do admire his dedication...
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Decades ago Arthur Jones said that the purpose of training was to build muscle and strength, not demonstrate strength. Therefore it is unnecessary and dangerous to do heavy reps of singles or doubles. Keep the reps over 10 and do even more reps to warm up. Dorian and Ronnie both tore muscles doing extreme training with heavy weights. If you do ballistic movements with heavy weights injury will soon follow.
There was absolutely no need to do squats with over 800 pounds to build thighs. That you can lift that much doesn't mean it is wise. In retrospect those really heavy weights caused damage that can't be undone.
I made the mistake of doing a deadlift with over 500 pounds and tore a biceps. Not smart and not repairable. So, goodbye bodybuilding. I keep warning others NOT to do deadlifts but who on Getbig listens?
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Decades ago Arthur Jones said that the purpose of training was to build muscle and strength, not demonstrate strength. Therefore it is unnecessary and dangerous to do heavy reps of singles or doubles. Keep the reps over 10 and do even more reps to warm up. Dorian and Ronnie both tore muscles doing extreme training with heavy weights. If you do ballistic movements with heavy weights injury will soon follow.
There was absolutely no need to do squats with over 800 pounds to build thighs. That you can lift that much doesn't mean it is wise. In retrospect those really heavy weights caused damage that can't be undone.
I made the mistake of doing a deadlift with over 500 pounds and tore a biceps. Not smart and not repairable. So, goodbye bodybuilding. I keep warning others NOT to do deadlifts but who on Getbig listens?
Thanks for proving once again you know little. Ronnie’s wired quite differently than anyone else when it comes to bodybuilding. You can tell him not to do something until you’re blue in the face and he won’t listen. He knows no other way but at a sacrifice, that’s why he’s the best. Bodybuilding is purely subjective, but IMO, he’s surpassed Arnold....by a lot
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Decades ago Arthur Jones said that the purpose of training was to build muscle and strength, not demonstrate strength. Therefore it is unnecessary and dangerous to do heavy reps of singles or doubles. Keep the reps over 10 and do even more reps to warm up. Dorian and Ronnie both tore muscles doing extreme training with heavy weights. If you do ballistic movements with heavy weights injury will soon follow.
There was absolutely no need to do squats with over 800 pounds to build thighs. That you can lift that much doesn't mean it is wise. In retrospect those really heavy weights caused damage that can't be undone.
I made the mistake of doing a deadlift with over 500 pounds and tore a biceps. Not smart and not repairable. So, goodbye bodybuilding. I keep warning others NOT to do deadlifts but who on Getbig listens?
I actually listened, I stopped doing heavy deadlifts because I got to 500 and was satisfied. They’re not necessary for bodybuilding.
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Thanks for proving once again you know little.
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Thanks for proving once again you know little. Ronnie’s wired quite differently than anyone else when it comes to bodybuilding. You can tell him not to do something until you’re blue in the face and he won’t listen. He knows no other way but at a sacrifice, that’s why he’s the best. Bodybuilding is purely subjective, but IMO, he’s surpassed Arnold....by a lot
You are an embarrassment as a spokesman for training and gyms.
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You are an embarrassment as a spokesman for training and gyms.
Youve back down from every training, bodybuilding or gym debate between us. For example (and I’m going to catch shit for this for being so petty) but when you said “to not demonstrate STRENGTH” when he was he was actually demonstrating “POWER” and deadlifts aren’t a bad thing. Heavy weights aren’t a bad thing. Why the fuck do you think he was bigger and thicker than literally everyone else? Not because of the. Drugs, it was because, unlike most, he trained heavy and hard.
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Decades ago Arthur Jones said that the purpose of training was to build muscle and strength, not demonstrate strength. Therefore it is unnecessary and dangerous to do heavy reps of singles or doubles. Keep the reps over 10 and do even more reps to warm up. Dorian and Ronnie both tore muscles doing extreme training with heavy weights. If you do ballistic movements with heavy weights injury will soon follow.
There was absolutely no need to do squats with over 800 pounds to build thighs. That you can lift that much doesn't mean it is wise. In retrospect those really heavy weights caused damage that can't be undone.
I made the mistake of doing a deadlift with over 500 pounds and tore a biceps. Not smart and not repairable. So, goodbye bodybuilding. I keep warning others NOT to do deadlifts but who on Getbig listens?
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You claim to be the benevolent bodybuilding guru yet you keep your greatest contributions to the sport disassembled and packed away in a warehouse where it benefits NO ONE!
Release the patent Vince. Let someone else build the machine so we can supinate. We want big arms!
We deserve them!
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Why the fuck do you think he was bigger and thicker than literally everyone else? Not because of the. Drugs, it was because, unlike most, he trained heavy and hard.
A lot of guys trained heavy and hard. Ronnie had perfect genetics for both strength and size which is rare. Ronnie's mistake was slinging ridiculous weights too frequently, for too many years with horrid form. Watching him do rows hurts MY back. All that cheating and bouncing. Staying on a massive stack for so many years. Jay Cutler was training with a third of the weight and high reps. So was Lee Haney, and Phil Heath. Look at them now. Ronnie is dead within 5 years, and each day he is high on painkillers and dying quickly. He kept going as the injuries worsened 10 years ago. Even now in his cripled state he is still training with that shitty bouncing form as the doctors told him to stop training. It's Bigorexia at it's worst. Ronnie belongs in a psychiatrists office, not a gym.
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Youve back down from every training, bodybuilding or gym debate between us. For example (and I’m going to catch shit for this for being so petty) but when you said “to not demonstrate STRENGTH” when he was he was actually demonstrating “POWER” and deadlifts aren’t a bad thing. Heavy weights aren’t a bad thing. Why the fuck do you think he was bigger and thicker than literally everyone else? Not because of the. Drugs, it was because, unlike most, he trained heavy and hard.
Well, Joe, it isn't worth my time to debate issues with you. For example, this business of using extremely heavy weights. Ronnie was squatting over 800 pounds for a couple of reps. Ditto for deadlifts.
He was demonstrating his strength using that much weight. Had he used 500 pounds for many sets of perhaps 10 to 15 reps he would have still triggered hypertrophy and perhaps saved his body from
crippling injuries. Heck, even 500 pounds is extreme.
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Bodybuilding is purely subjective, but IMO, he’s surpassed Arnold....by a lot
Arnold actually looked good. Ronnie was huge beyond belief, and 8 months pregnant on stage. In the off season he had twins in there.
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Well, Joe, it isn't worth my time to debate issues with you. For example, this business of using extremely heavy weights. Ronnie was squatting over 800 pounds for a couple of reps. Ditto for deadlifts.
He was demonstrating his strength using that much weight. Had he used 500 pounds for many sets of perhaps 10 to 15 reps he would have still triggered hypertrophy and perhaps saved his body from
crippling injuries. Heck, even 500 pounds is extreme.
yes I’d agree with that Vince you don’t have too lift a massive amount of weight too make improvements doing more volume with (for someone as strong as Coleman was) with 500lb squats and 500lb deadlifts in volume would of more than likely still given him sufficient gains and saved his joints, tendons, discs etc.
The thing is in Coleman’s case (specifically) he had a long history of strength training being a former powerlifter etc long before he became a pro bodybuilder...it’s how the mentality is developed...go hard or...go home.
And it’s that mentality that carried him though his whole bodybuilding career making him a 8 Time Champion, there has NEVER been such an extraordinary extreme example of pushing the human physique too the heights he once achieved and he pushed those boundaries (like Yates before him) too new levels bye sheer brutal force.
Unfortunately that very same mentality has now long after his career has passed...also is responsible for the crippling deliberation and very painful reality he has too deal with day in day out nowadays.
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yes I’d agree with that Vince you don’t have too lift a massive amount of weight too make improvements doing more volume with (for someone as strong as Coleman was) with 500lb squats and 500lb deadlifts in volume would of more than likely still given him sufficient gains and saved his joints, tendons, discs etc.
The thing is in Coleman’s case (specifically) he had a long history of strength training being a former powerlifter etc long before he became a pro bodybuilder...it’s how the mentality is developed...go hard or...go home.
And it’s that mentality that carried him though his whole bodybuilding career making him a 8 Time Champion, there has NEVER been such an extraordinary extreme example of pushing the human physique too the heights he once achieved and he pushed those boundaries (like Yates before him) too new levels bye sheer brutal force.
Unfortunately that very same mentality has now long after his career has passed...also is responsible for the crippling deliberation and very painful reality he has too deal with day in day out nowadays.
Ronnie always trained heavy that’s no secret, but what really changed his physique so dramatically hmmmm! The heavy drug use, upping the dosages with gh and insulin
Ronnie is a product of good genetics , hard work , and lots of drugs
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Thanks for proving once again you know little. Ronnie’s wired quite differently than anyone else when it comes to bodybuilding. You can tell him not to do something until you’re blue in the face and he won’t listen. He knows no other way but at a sacrifice, that’s why he’s the best. Bodybuilding is purely subjective, but IMO, he’s surpassed Arnold....by a lot
Like him or hate him Phil will surpass ronnie in O wins while lifting half of what he lifts and will likely preserve his health
And Phil is a complete bber from head to toe, most likely doesn’t even deadlift, squat, or bench
Ronnie, as impressive as he was, he was his own enemy, didn’t know when to stop, he would have likely still won all those titles without doing heavy lifts, his ego got in the way and he didn’t adapt with age and didn’t listen to his body
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Phil heath has zero charisma.
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He walks like a dwarf or something in that trailer, scary how he destroyed himself, nothing is worth more than health
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Coleman is an idiot. And now that idiot is paying the price for the years of abuse. Not just heavy weights but heavy drug use. Carrying that ego around along with his bag o' drugs has cause irreparable damage. He did this to himself.
The Philsbury Schmoeboy will be having similar health problems due to the abuse of his body with drugs. The recent thread on him and other "champions" guest posing where they all looked like grained up pigs is the proof. The manlet must have gills to be able to breathe under so much much water. Phildo's ego is even bigger than Coleman's. It might not be as heavy but he's repping out on his way to SchmOelympia history. Nah. Hystyeria is more like it.
McCarver's dead. And other's look like gbrained up zombies. The posing dead can barely walk up a few stairs. It's not the training that's doing the draining. It's the year 'round, massive drug intake.
The wages of stupid. Coleman is reaping them. Phildo is still sewing away and you can bet he's scared.
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Phil heath has zero charisma.
Unlike you, At least his life doesn’t revolve around posting on message board.
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Unlike you, At least his life doesn’t revolve around posting on message board.
It is doubtless that to a great degree, Phildo's life revolves around his drug intake regimen. That and responding to the "#HATERZ" via some form of social media. The rest of his busy day is spent on his workout and then stuffing his piggie face with food followed by pooping. ;D ;D
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Unlike you, At least his life doesn’t revolve around posting on message board.
The comparison was between phildo and Ronnie Coleman. Ronnie 10x> phildo
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150mg of oxy a day. :o
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If you want to be the champ you have to push the pedal to the metal. Yates and Ronnie both paid the price for their heavy weights but it made them the champs. Guys like Phil make up for the lack of heavy weights by pushing the dose. Either way is going to end up in disaster. I look at Lee Haney who had mass with a tiny waist. Today he looks like an athlete. Maybe we should listen to him. "Exercise to stimulate, not to annihilate."
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Like him or hate him Phil will surpass ronnie in O wins while lifting half of what he lifts and will likely preserve his health
And Phil is a complete bber from head to toe, most likely doesn’t even deadlift, squat, or bench
Ronnie, as impressive as he was, he was his own enemy, didn’t know when to stop, he would have likely still won all those titles without doing heavy lifts, his ego got in the way and he didn’t adapt with age and didn’t listen to his body
I’ve always liked Heaths physique. Unless Ramy can come in with equal or better conditioning, Heath will win #8
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150mg of oxy a day. :o
Didnt watch the vid but that's his daily prescription? Might be high for a script but that's nothing for an addict
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Ronnie Coleman taking 5x30mg oxycodone daily is just evidence of what I said:
Opiates are intended for long-term, daily use. They are prescribed because we all have things called OPIATE RECEPTORS in our bodies, and they are not toxic to the organs.
IMO, if you are going to do a drug, and do NOT have addictive tendencies [seems like most people DO have them], then oxycodone is the drug to take. It's much safer on the organs than any other drug. Or...? Name a drug that's more organ-friendly.
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I’ve always liked Heaths physique. Unless Ramy can come in with equal or better conditioning, Heath will win #8
Not a fan of his physique or the current crop of "champs". It all looks like water bloated muscle. Yates and Coleman had a dense look to the their muscles that came from hard training and not water retention.
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Ronnie Coleman taking 5x30mg oxycodone daily is just evidence of what I said:
Opiates are intended for long-term, daily use. They are prescribed because we all have things called OPIATE RECEPTORS in our bodies, and they are not toxic to the organs.
IMO, if you are going to do a drug, and do NOT have addictive tendencies [seems like most people DO have them], then oxycodone is the drug to take. It's much safer on the organs than any other drug. Or...? Name a drug that's more organ-friendly.
But, one can reason that with Ronnie's mental state, and the refusal to stop training in a reckless manner, that the oxy has enabled him to not notice that he needs help in stopping. And that he may even have an addiction as well. He is a human after all, not a god.
Also, maybe using sound to treat pain might be the next big thing?
http://news.abs-cbn.com/life/02/05/17/new-pain-treatment-uses-sound-waves-to-offer-relief-to-patients (http://news.abs-cbn.com/life/02/05/17/new-pain-treatment-uses-sound-waves-to-offer-relief-to-patients)
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Ronnie Coleman taking 5x30mg oxycodone daily is just evidence of what I said:
Opiates are intended for long-term, daily use. They are prescribed because we all have things called OPIATE RECEPTORS in our bodies, and they are not toxic to the organs.
IMO, if you are going to do a drug, and do NOT have addictive tendencies [seems like most people DO have them], then oxycodone is the drug to take. It's much safer on the organs than any other drug. Or...? Name a drug that's more organ-friendly.
addict talk
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30 years as a lion or 80 years as a sheep? How about 30 years as a lion and another 30 crippled waiting to die while becoming addicted opioids with an abysmal quality of life.
Lee Labrada at 53 roughly the same age as Ronnie
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But, one can reason that with Ronnie's mental state, and the refusal to stop training in a reckless manner, that the oxy has enabled him to not notice that he needs help in stopping. And that he may even have an addiction as well. He is a human after all, not a god.
Bingo.
Those are the problems with opiates - it's not the toxicity of this class of drug that is the problem, it's doing exactly what you described that Ronnie is doing.
Overdose is another problem - that affects the people who want to get REALLY high. I have no idea why people need to be that high - or that drunk for that matter [to the point where the alcohol puts them in a blackout state].
But for those concerned about health - I see nothing "healthier" [as in, less organ-toxic] than opioids.
PLEASE GUYS - DO NOT TAKE THIS AS MEANING I AM CONDONING OPIOID USE. I'M MERELY SAYING THAT THEY DON'T DO ACUTE DAMAGE EACH TIME YOU USE THEM.
Whereas, the hepatotoxicity of alcohol is a given, literally any time you drink more than 2-3 drinks per sitting. Even one drink may cause some slight issues - such as liver cirrhosis. Cocaine is cardiotoxic [heart-toxic], and when combined with alcohol, produces a third drug called cocaethylene, which has a longer half-life [thus making so many people do it - as they can enjoy a better buzz for longer], but is more damaging to the heart than either cocaine or alcohol together.
addict talk
Often, yes - but opiates are the only drug suitable to my constitution. So I'm at a point in life where I have to choose between opiates on the odd occasion [NOT daily], or...abstinence. Not even handles alcohol well. I certainly don't.
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addict talk
Absolutely! Sounds about as delusional as me when I first started fucking with oxys. Keep fucking with them and its just a countdown u til when you're hooked. Might be 6 months could even be a couple yrs. But its a certainty
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addict talk
QFT. Drug users like to rationalize using drugs.
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Decades ago Arthur Jones said that the purpose of training was to build muscle and strength, not demonstrate strength. Therefore it is unnecessary and dangerous to do heavy reps of singles or doubles. Keep the reps over 10 and do even more reps to warm up. Dorian and Ronnie both tore muscles doing extreme training with heavy weights. If you do ballistic movements with heavy weights injury will soon follow.
There was absolutely no need to do squats with over 800 pounds to build thighs. That you can lift that much doesn't mean it is wise. In retrospect those really heavy weights caused damage that can't be undone.
I made the mistake of doing a deadlift with over 500 pounds and tore a biceps. Not smart and not repairable. So, goodbye bodybuilding. I keep warning others NOT to do deadlifts but who on Getbig listens?
umm you do know that aside from that famous squat and deadl;ift clip of ronnie pretty much all that heavy training he did was in the 10-15 rep range.
fuck, his warmups in that range were most people max 1-2 reps
I also find it telling from someone like you who spouts of his expertise in training yet all you ever do if anything is train your fat arms once or twice a week
at least your rival who has had many surgeries including heart surgery recently works his whole body in some fashion regularly and eats right and is not a bitter old fool.
I have to thank you Vince, because between you and people like my mother and others in your age group I can see the correlation between what life is like for those bitter old fools who think everyone else is wrong and they are right, and those who have a better outlook and encourage themselves and others and dont just point out what is wrong with everyone and everything else
your posts have given me a clear idea of what I dont want to act like attitude wise from 50-75. in fact you and my mother have the exact same attitude and its telling that you are both bitter old fools that people have to tolerate yet perfer not to be around as much as possible
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Well, Joe, it isn't worth my time to debate issues with you. For example, this business of using extremely heavy weights. Ronnie was squatting over 800 pounds for a couple of reps. Ditto for deadlifts.
He was demonstrating his strength using that much weight. Had he used 500 pounds for many sets of perhaps 10 to 15 reps he would have still triggered hypertrophy and perhaps saved his body from
crippling injuries. Heck, even 500 pounds is extreme.
again you dumb fuck, Ronnie did 99% of his lifts in the 10-15 range. Those deadlifts and squats you saw for doubles were one offs
if you are going to critique someones training overall at least know what they did outside of 2 clips of squats and deadlifts you soggy old bitter queer
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Coleman is an idiot. And now that idiot is paying the price for the years of abuse. Not just heavy weights but heavy drug use. Carrying that ego around along with his bag o' drugs has cause irreparable damage. He did this to himself.
The Philsbury Schmoeboy will be having similar health problems due to the abuse of his body with drugs. The recent thread on him and other "champions" guest posing where they all looked like grained up pigs is the proof. The manlet must have gills to be able to breathe under so much much water. Phildo's ego is even bigger than Coleman's. It might not be as heavy but he's repping out on his way to SchmOelympia history. Nah. Hystyeria is more like it.
McCarver's dead. And other's look like gbrained up zombies. The posing dead can barely walk up a few stairs. It's not the training that's doing the draining. It's the year 'round, massive drug intake.
The wages of stupid. Coleman is reaping them. Phildo is still sewing away and you can bet he's scared.
Mr Scott great post, i get a kick how people admire Ronnie, he crippled himself is an drug addict and fathered 20 kids. these morons actually believes he goes to all these conventions and because he "loves the sport"
Ronnie is so dumb he probably though the oxy and vics were aspirin, yeah buddy !
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Bingo.
Those are the problems with opiates - it's not the toxicity of this class of drug that is the problem, it's doing exactly what you described that Ronnie is doing.
Overdose is another problem - that affects the people who want to get REALLY high. I have no idea why people need to be that high - or that drunk for that matter [to the point where the alcohol puts them in a blackout state].
But for those concerned about health - I see nothing "healthier" [as in, less organ-toxic] than opioids.
PLEASE GUYS - DO NOT TAKE THIS AS MEANING I AM CONDONING OPIOID USE. I'M MERELY SAYING THAT THEY DON'T DO ACUTE DAMAGE EACH TIME YOU USE THEM.
Whereas, the hepatotoxicity of alcohol is a given, literally any time you drink more than 2-3 drinks per sitting. Even one drink may cause some slight issues - such as liver cirrhosis. Cocaine is cardiotoxic [heart-toxic], and when combined with alcohol, produces a third drug called cocaethylene, which has a longer half-life [thus making so many people do it - as they can enjoy a better buzz for longer], but is more damaging to the heart than either cocaine or alcohol together.
Often, yes - but opiates are the only drug suitable to my constitution. So I'm at a point in life where I have to choose between opiates on the odd occasion [NOT daily], or...abstinence. Not even handles alcohol well. I certainly don't.
epic arrogant thinking that we actually take your posts seriously brah
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mr scott great post, i get a kick how people admire ronnie, he crippled himseld is an drug addict and fathered 20 kids. these morons actually believes he goes to all these conventions and because he "loves the sport"
ronnie is so dumb he probably though the oxy and vics were aspirin, yeah buddy !
Thanks! LOL at the aspirins!
Coleman could wind up deaf from the OxyContin (ab)use. It happened to Rush Limbaugh and he's far smarter than Coleman. Addiction is not something to trifle with. Couple that with Coleman's Genovan IQ and you have a recipe for a deaf cripple.
This addiction to PEDs is also crippling. I knew more than a few people in the 70s/80s who would stop after the shows, some cold turkey and others tapered off. They understood the risks were unknown and when dealing with the unknown it's best to err on the side of caution.
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Decades ago Arthur Jones said that the purpose of training was to build muscle and strength, not demonstrate strength. Therefore it is unnecessary and dangerous to do heavy reps of singles or doubles. Keep the reps over 10 and do even more reps to warm up. Dorian and Ronnie both tore muscles doing extreme training with heavy weights. If you do ballistic movements with heavy weights injury will soon follow.
There was absolutely no need to do squats with over 800 pounds to build thighs. That you can lift that much doesn't mean it is wise. In retrospect those really heavy weights caused damage that can't be undone.
I made the mistake of doing a deadlift with over 500 pounds and tore a biceps. Not smart and not repairable. So, goodbye bodybuilding. I keep warning others NOT to do deadlifts but who on Getbig listens?
furthermore anytime anyone quotes Arthur Jones I laugh and shake my head. He was another bitter tool with a medicore physique for all his talk who did not give a shit about science or training but used it as a niche to market and sell his machines so he could buy more corcodiles and underage girls
birds of a feather flock together
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Thanks! LOL at the aspirins!
Coleman could wind up deaf from the OxyContin (ab)use. It happened to Rush Limbaugh and he's far smarter than Coleman. Addiction is not something to trifle with. Couple that with Coleman's Genovan IQ and you have a recipe for a deaf cripple.
This addiction to PEDs is also crippling. I knew more than a few people in the 70s/80s who would stop after the shows, some cold turkey and others tapered off. They understood the risks were unknown and when dealing with the unknown it's best to err on the side of caution.
scott the last time ronnie went to the hospital the doctor ordered a brain scan but they found nothing up there.
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again you dumb fuck, Ronnie did 99% of his lifts in the 10-15 range. Those deadlifts and squats you saw for doubles were one offs
if you are going to critique someones training overall at least know what they did outside of 2 clips of squats and deadlifts you soggy old bitter queer
How dense can you be? It is those singles and doubles that will cause the most damage. This is a fact, not an opinion.
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ronnie had great genetics and trained like a retard pure and simple that shit he does now is just being a ego driven person
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150mg of oxy a day. :o
He probably takes somas on top of that, lyrica for nerve pain etc etc.
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scott the last time ronnie went to the hospital the doctor ordered a brain scan but they found nothing up there.
LOL! Superb! ;D
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How dense can you be? It is those singles and doubles that will cause the most damage. This is a fact, not an opinion.
says the guy who the only 2-3 times he got in shape was because he went on dbol. Never any pics of you in shape natural, only fat.
such an expert....
I would have more respect for you if instead of saying "wrong" to everyone's thoughts on training including guys like coach who has a track record of 100's of successful top athletes and bodybuilders over the years under his wing while you have trained nobody yet make all claims about training and diet here for almost 2 decades without ever backing up your claims all the while everyone else is wrong about training and hypertrophy because ImBasile says so.
Honestly I think your problem is low T. You are so in denial about your hormones being low yet you feel it would make you look hypocritical going on hrt after all your anti tseroid arguments, which is ironic because of your love of fast food and obese women
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Arnold actually looked good. Ronnie was huge beyond belief, and 8 months pregnant on stage. In the off season he had twins in there.
I agree. IF I had a choice of who I would look like, Arnold hands down
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genetics and drugs. he would still look the same if he trained with lighter weights. it's ridiculous to think training super heavy somehow gave him an advantage . . .
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Ronnie Coleman taking 5x30mg oxycodone daily is just evidence of what I said:
Opiates are intended for long-term, daily use. They are prescribed because we all have things called OPIATE RECEPTORS in our bodies, and they are not toxic to the organs.
IMO, if you are going to do a drug, and do NOT have addictive tendencies [seems like most people DO have them], then oxycodone is the drug to take. It's much safer on the organs than any other drug. Or...? Name a drug that's more organ-friendly.
If you are taking oxy for a legit medical condition then what does it matter if you have addictive tendencies since you will be taking it for life? I didn't know that oxy was safe for the organs, assuming it's kidneys and liver. I use to take Alflutop for my joints. It's from Romania and you could buy it off Amazon. It's a water base inject that would go through a insulin pin. It worked. It wasn't a drug but more of a nutritional supp so zero sides. But our ever meddling nanny state government decided that they knew my body better than I do and it kept getting seized saying that it wasn't approved by the FDA. Advil/Motrin works but not Tylenol. Now after years of advil my kidneys are starting to pay the price. My doctor got me a Marijuana card but I still haven't used it. Having gone through my whole life without using weed I don't want to start now as I near 60 yrs old. If what you say is true about oxycodone then I'll hit my doctor up for that. He's an osteopath and does my TRT so he's pretty open and not uptight about alternative treatments. I mean, he was the one that suggested weed for me.
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Thanks! LOL at the aspirins!
Coleman could wind up deaf from the OxyContin (ab)use. It happened to Rush Limbaugh and he's far smarter than Coleman. Addiction is not something to trifle with. Couple that with Coleman's Genovan IQ and you have a recipe for a deaf cripple.
This addiction to PEDs is also crippling. I knew more than a few people in the 70s/80s who would stop after the shows, some cold turkey and others tapered off. They understood the risks were unknown and when dealing with the unknown it's best to err on the side of caution.
Wasn't Limbaugh taking oxy because of the hearing problems and the pain it was causing? it was the pain that got him on oxys first and not the oxys causing the deafness.
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It simple - Ronnie's sacrificing himself to the endeavor he loves most in life.
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Youve back down from every training, bodybuilding or gym debate between us. For example (and I’m going to catch shit for this for being so petty) but when you said “to not demonstrate STRENGTH” when he was he was actually demonstrating “POWER” and deadlifts aren’t a bad thing. Heavy weights aren’t a bad thing. Why the fuck do you think he was bigger and thicker than literally everyone else? Not because of the. Drugs, it was because, unlike most, he trained heavy and hard.
i train really heavy...im not trying to toot my own horn..but im the strongest in my gym and other gyms ive belonged to. i have a thick dense muscle look from what ive heard over and over.
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i train really heavy...im not trying to toot my own horn..but im the strongest in my gym and other gyms ive belonged to. i have a thick dense muscle look from what ive heard over and over.
You’re fat and bloated. And women are disgusted by you.
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You’re fat and bloated. And women are disgusted by you.
i was at one time..now im lean and mean... and i gets the girls
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genetics and drugs. he would still look the same if he trained with lighter weights. it's ridiculous to think training super heavy somehow gave him an advantage . . .
he could have trained with less than half the weight he did, and become mr olympia, i think alot of that retarded shit he did was to fuel his ego and sells dvds
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Wasn't Limbaugh taking oxy because of the hearing problems and the pain it was causing? it was the pain that got him on oxys first and not the oxys causing the deafness.
From what I recall, Rush had chronic pain and became hooked on that stuff. It is rare, but it can cause deafness. He is fortunate in that he was able to get cochlear implants. He had to learn to hear all over. He also had to man up and admit his weakness/stupidity, which being something of a conservative beacon he did and rightly so.
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Bingo.
Those are the problems with opiates - it's not the toxicity of this class of drug that is the problem, it's doing exactly what you described that Ronnie is doing.
Matt
I more or less share your view. Take anything constantly - anything - and you're probably doing some harm. You may find this paper from the International Journal of Molecular Sciences as interesting as I did. Despite the negative introduction it's a pretty balanced look at the evidence. And the table on p2 that compares the strengths of these various compounds is pretty interesting too, despite missing a few for some reason.
"What Do We Know about Opioids and the Kidney?
Mary Mallappallil, Jacob Sabu, Eli A. Friedman and Moro Salifu
Department of Internal Medicine, State University of New York at Downstate, Brooklyn, New York, NY 11203,
Abstract: Evidence suggests a link between opioid use and kidney disease. This review summarizes the known renal manifestations of opioid use including its role in acute and chronic kidney injury. Both the direct and indirect effects of the drug, and the context which leads to the development of renal failure, are explored. While commonly used safely for pain control and anesthesia in those with kidney disease, the concerns with respect to side effects and toxicity of opioids are addressed. This is especially relevant with the worldwide increase in the use of opioids for medical and recreational use"
https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/18/1/223/pdf (https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/18/1/223/pdf)
Cross posting to the benzos thread...
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genetics and drugs. he would still look the same if he trained with lighter weights. it's ridiculous to think training super heavy somehow gave him an advantage . . .
This. Everything else was just show business.
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This is a movie entirely for Ronnie fans only ....( me included ) ;D
Show this trailer to anyone out there and 99% of people will say "I can't feel sorry for the guy " even BB fans .
WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH TA NA KA
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it's our fault too, we are all guilty
everybody enjoyed watching his "unbelievable" training video, that video was awesome because of the insane lifts, that video would've been forgotten if it was all safe machine training
we encouraged him and we all know every bodybuilder loves attention
now he's a cripple and the same people that loved that video are criticizing him
it's a disgusting side of humanity, they like you when you are on top but kick you when you are down, the same thing is happening with arnold and his long time fans
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this pic shows it was all worth it: 8)
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this pic shows it was all worth it: 8)
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When was the last time we have ever seen truly defined and separated delt heads?
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I look at it this way.
Ronnie has likely been taking various drugs since he started bodybuilding. Let's just say it's been about 30 years give or take a couple. He's also been up over 300lbs for extended periods, eaten tons of food (not all of it was healthy) and trained in that rat invested gym.
Now add to this the number of times he's awoken from anesthesia, recovery time, pain meds and continued use of gear. Never mind those ten kids or so he's put up with!
He's still here!!!
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insanity
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Have to respect the man for living life on his own terms. Given a choice Ronnie wouldn't swap his legacy and current life for anyones and a lot can be said for that. Im not a huge fan and still think Dorian 93 was better, but props to the man for living life on his terms. He does look a little bit like the bodybuilders version of the wrestler at this stage, bit sad but his choice.
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Decades ago Arthur Jones said that the purpose of training was to build muscle and strength, not demonstrate strength. Therefore it is unnecessary and dangerous to do heavy reps of singles or doubles. Keep the reps over 10 and do even more reps to warm up. Dorian and Ronnie both tore muscles doing extreme training with heavy weights. If you do ballistic movements with heavy weights injury will soon follow.
There was absolutely no need to do squats with over 800 pounds to build thighs. That you can lift that much doesn't mean it is wise. In retrospect those really heavy weights caused damage that can't be undone.
I made the mistake of doing a deadlift with over 500 pounds and tore a biceps. Not smart and not repairable. So, goodbye bodybuilding. I keep warning others NOT to do deadlifts but who on Getbig listens?
Wrong. Maxing out activates new satellite cells and should be done once a month
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when is full doco coming out and where could i view it?
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when is full doco coming out and where could i view it?
ditto that
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I’m a hospital nurse and 150mg per day Is a lot. We don’t give spine surgery patients that much. Max they can get is 10mg every 4 hours and IF they have a home routine they might add 20mg slow release x2 per day.
The side effects of oxy’s will mess you up. Opioid induced constipation happens after 1dose and the psychiatric effects will turn you into a zombie. We keep patients until they can have a bowel movement and we will have to go to crazy lengths to induce them
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Dexter Jackson
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Ronnie had the best front double of all time.
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Fame is cool but arthritis and messed up joints are lousy.
He is so messed up.
Definitely has a few screws loose.
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I’m a hospital nurse and 150mg per day Is a lot. We don’t give spine surgery patients that much. Max they can get is 10mg every 4 hours and IF they have a home routine they might add 20mg slow release x2 per day.
The side effects of oxy’s will mess you up. Opioid induced constipation happens after 1dose and the psychiatric effects will turn you into a zombie. We keep patients until they can have a bowel movement and we will have to go to crazy lengths to induce them
Sounds like tren Ace fear mongering lol
I was taking anywhere from 4-5 oxy 40s a day,plus however many percent 10s I could get my hand on, back in my druggie days.
Never had constipation or any other issues except for a real fucked up attitude whenever it wore off.
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He was amazing.
He’s truly fugged up the remaining years of his life.
Amazing genetics for bodybuilding, yes, but he isn’t built to carry the weight he chemically-created or hoist the poundage he did.
His current health is proof.
Only he can say if it was all worth it.
Personally, I believe his outward suggestion he’s satisfied is baloney.
The man is a cripple living with near-endless pain. Lots of it.
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i imagine it was incredible to win 8 olympias, but that is all a distant memory at this point
no amount of money, fame, or accomplishments is worth what he is going through now
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Ronnie had the best front double of all time.
thanks in part to the greatest arms of all time: (overall anyway):
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When I read that he regrets nothing except not doing 2 more reps, I have to accept that his traded several years of his life and health to attain a goal that a small percentage of the world will care about in 20 years. It's his life, there are people who destroy their health for a lot less. For me, I'm pretty focused on living a decent quality of life for as long as I can.
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One thing I noticed about Ronnie is that you never saw him cheat on his diet, sure he ate bbq sauce, but that was pretty much the extent of it. You never seen him eating Icecream, Burritos, Burger King, chocolate bars, pancakes, nothing really.
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When I read that he regrets nothing except not doing 2 more reps, I have to accept that his traded several years of his life and health to attain a goal that a small percentage of the world will care about in 20 years. It's his life, there are people who destroy their health for a lot less. For me, I'm pretty focused on living a decent quality of life for as long as I can.
That’s selfish on his behalf considering he has 12 kids he will be leaving behind if he dies soon
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Well, Joe, it isn't worth my time to debate issues with you. For example, this business of using extremely heavy weights. Ronnie was squatting over 800 pounds for a couple of reps. Ditto for deadlifts.
He was demonstrating his strength using that much weight. Had he used 500 pounds for many sets of perhaps 10 to 15 reps he would have still triggered hypertrophy and perhaps saved his body from
crippling injuries. Heck, even 500 pounds is extreme.
AJ said that you don't need to use more than 400 pound in squats and deals
And he said that even 300 could be enough
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AJ said that you don't need to use more than 400 pound in squats and deals
And he said that even 300 could be enough
And Serge Nubret said he could still build his chest with just 70 kg's, said he could make the weight 'feel' heavier.
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And Serge Nubret said he could still build his chest with just 70 kg's, said he could make the weight 'feel' heavier.
he had a great chest...
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When I read that he regrets nothing except not doing 2 more reps, I have to accept that his traded several years of his life and health to attain a goal that a small percentage of the world will care about in 20 years. It's his life, there are people who destroy their health for a lot less. For me, I'm pretty focused on living a decent quality of life for as long as I can.
It’s much less the crippled body and many times more the constant pain.
Constant pain will destroy any man.
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It’s much less the crippled body and many times more the constant pain.
Constant pain will destroy any man.
In a few years no one will even care About him. I like him & his YIP YIP BUDDY Thing...LOL but truth be told he will end up in a wheelchair & forgotten. How many years of fame verses his whole life Quality.
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for you that never experienced chronic pain, it's extremely debilitating. Heavy weights are necessary in bodybuilding but there is a way to do it sanely and reach very good results (of course coupled with anabolics). I would not fuck with the current generation of opiates, not only because of addiction but also other sides like bowel cancer and so on...
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for you that never experienced chronic pain, it's extremely debilitating. Heavy weights are necessary in bodybuilding but there is a way to do it sanely and reach very good results (of course coupled with anabolics). I would not fuck with the current generation of opiates, not only because of addiction but also other sides like bowel cancer and so on...
Truth.
Generally, young people haven’t the foggiest notion of how life-destroying chronic pain can be.
Almost everyone ends up begging for mercy.
It’s a hell of its own special breed.
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for you that never experienced chronic pain, it's extremely debilitating. Heavy weights are necessary in bodybuilding but there is a way to do it sanely and reach very good results (of course coupled with anabolics). I would not fuck with the current generation of opiates, not only because of addiction but also other sides like bowel cancer and so on...
I've got a chronic lower back pain from years of wearing a police equipment belt both in the military and civilian. It's a common thing in that career. I would rate it about a 3 most times and a 5 occasionally. Just that really takes a toll when standing for any length of time so I can't even imagine those with serious debilitating chronic pain. I know people who do have it and it's sad to see. For most rational people, I would assume if given the chance to go back in time and change things so that they wouldn't experience it, they would take it in a heartbeat. That's why Ronnie's attitude strikes me as odd.
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I've got a chronic lower back pain from years of wearing a police equipment belt both in the military and civilian. It's a common thing in that career. I would rate it about a 3 most times and a 5 occasionally. Just that really takes a toll when standing for any length of time so I can't even imagine those with serious debilitating chronic pain. I know people who do have it and it's sad to see. For most rational people, I would assume if given the chance to go back in time and change things so that they wouldn't experience it, they would take it in a heartbeat. That's why Ronnie's attitude strikes me as odd.
can support your post. I carried a 9mm for years. you do get back pain. Maybe hip is off set don´t know.