The man who gave everything for the sport - Ronnie documentary

[oldtimer1]

If you want to be the champ you have to push the pedal to the metal. Yates and Ronnie both paid the price for their heavy weights but it made them the champs. Guys like Phil make up for the lack of heavy weights by pushing the dose. Either way is going to end up in disaster. I look at Lee Haney who had mass with a tiny waist. Today he looks like an athlete. Maybe we should listen to him. "Exercise to stimulate, not to annihilate." 

[Coach is Back!]

Like him or hate him Phil will surpass ronnie in O wins while lifting half of what he lifts and will likely preserve his health

And Phil is a complete bber from head to toe, most likely doesn’t even deadlift, squat, or bench

Ronnie, as impressive as he was, he was his own enemy, didn’t know when to stop, he would have likely still won all those titles without doing heavy lifts, his ego got in the way and he didn’t adapt with age and didn’t listen to his body

I’ve always liked Heaths physique. Unless Ramy can come in with equal or better conditioning, Heath will win #8

[ChristopherA]

150mg of oxy a day.

Didnt watch the vid but that's his daily prescription? Might be high for a script but that's nothing for an addict

[Matt]

Ronnie Coleman taking 5x30mg oxycodone daily is just evidence of what I said:

Opiates are intended for long-term, daily use.  They are prescribed because we all have things called OPIATE RECEPTORS in our bodies, and they are not toxic to the organs.

IMO, if you are going to do a drug, and do NOT have addictive tendencies [seems like most people DO have them], then oxycodone is the drug to take.  It's much safer on the organs than any other drug.  Or...?  Name a drug that's more organ-friendly.

[oldtimer1]

I’ve always liked Heaths physique. Unless Ramy can come in with equal or better conditioning, Heath will win #8

Not a fan of his physique or the current crop of "champs".  It all looks like water bloated muscle. Yates and Coleman had a dense look to the their muscles that came from hard training and not water retention.

[Parker]

Ronnie Coleman taking 5x30mg oxycodone daily is just evidence of what I said:

Opiates are intended for long-term, daily use.  They are prescribed because we all have things called OPIATE RECEPTORS in our bodies, and they are not toxic to the organs.

IMO, if you are going to do a drug, and do NOT have addictive tendencies [seems like most people DO have them], then oxycodone is the drug to take.  It's much safer on the organs than any other drug.  Or...?  Name a drug that's more organ-friendly.

But, one can reason that with Ronnie's mental state, and the refusal to stop training in a reckless manner, that the oxy has enabled him to not notice that he needs help in stopping. And that he may even have an addiction as well. He is a human after all, not a god.

Also, maybe using sound to treat pain might be the next big thing?
http://news.abs-cbn.com/life/02/05/17/new-pain-treatment-uses-sound-waves-to-offer-relief-to-patients

[Ted SuperSet]

Ronnie Coleman taking 5x30mg oxycodone daily is just evidence of what I said:

Opiates are intended for long-term, daily use.  They are prescribed because we all have things called OPIATE RECEPTORS in our bodies, and they are not toxic to the organs.

IMO, if you are going to do a drug, and do NOT have addictive tendencies [seems like most people DO have them], then oxycodone is the drug to take.  It's much safer on the organs than any other drug.  Or...?  Name a drug that's more organ-friendly.

addict talk

[NarcissisticDeity]

30 years as a lion or 80 years as a sheep? How about 30 years as a lion and another 30 crippled waiting to die while becoming addicted opioids with an abysmal quality of life.

Lee Labrada at 53 roughly the same age as Ronnie 

[Matt]

But, one can reason that with Ronnie's mental state, and the refusal to stop training in a reckless manner, that the oxy has enabled him to not notice that he needs help in stopping. And that he may even have an addiction as well. He is a human after all, not a god.

Bingo.

Those are the problems with opiates - it's not the toxicity of this class of drug that is the problem, it's doing exactly what you described that Ronnie is doing.

Overdose is another problem - that affects the people who want to get REALLY high.  I have no idea why people need to be that high - or that drunk for that matter [to the point where the alcohol puts them in a blackout state].

But for those concerned about health - I see nothing "healthier" [as in, less organ-toxic] than opioids.

PLEASE GUYS - DO NOT TAKE THIS AS MEANING I AM CONDONING OPIOID USE.  I'M MERELY SAYING THAT THEY DON'T DO ACUTE DAMAGE EACH TIME YOU USE THEM.

Whereas, the hepatotoxicity of alcohol is a given, literally any time you drink more than 2-3 drinks per sitting.  Even one drink may cause some slight issues - such as liver cirrhosis.  Cocaine is cardiotoxic [heart-toxic], and when combined with alcohol, produces a third drug called cocaethylene, which has a longer half-life [thus making so many people do it - as they can enjoy a better buzz for longer], but is more damaging to the heart than either cocaine or alcohol together.

addict talk

Often, yes - but opiates are the only drug suitable to my constitution.  So I'm at a point in life where I have to choose between opiates on the odd occasion [NOT daily], or...abstinence.  Not even handles alcohol well.  I certainly don't.

[ChristopherA]

addict talk

Absolutely! Sounds about as delusional as me when I first started fucking with oxys. Keep fucking with them and its just a countdown u til when you're hooked. Might be 6 months could even be a couple yrs. But its a certainty

[oldtimer1]

addict talk

QFT. Drug users like to rationalize using drugs.

[NelsonMuntz]

Decades ago Arthur Jones said that the purpose of training was to build muscle and strength, not demonstrate strength. Therefore it is unnecessary and dangerous to do heavy reps of singles or doubles. Keep the reps over 10 and do even more reps to warm up. Dorian and Ronnie both tore muscles doing extreme training with heavy weights. If you do ballistic movements with heavy weights injury will soon follow.

There was absolutely no need to do squats with over 800 pounds to build thighs. That you can lift that much doesn't mean it is wise. In retrospect those really heavy weights caused damage that can't be undone.
I made the mistake of doing a deadlift with over 500 pounds and tore a biceps. Not smart and not repairable. So, goodbye bodybuilding. I keep warning others NOT to do deadlifts but who on Getbig listens?

umm you do know that aside from that famous squat and deadl;ift clip of ronnie pretty much all that heavy training he did was in the 10-15 rep range.

fuck, his warmups in that range were most people max 1-2 reps

I also find it telling from someone like you who spouts of his expertise in training yet all you ever do if anything is train your fat arms once or twice a week

at least your rival who has had many surgeries including heart surgery recently works his whole body in some fashion regularly and eats right and is not a bitter old fool.

I have to thank you Vince, because between you and people like my mother and others in your age group I can see the correlation between what life is like for those bitter old fools who think everyone else is wrong and they are right, and those who have a better outlook and encourage themselves and others and dont just point out what is wrong with everyone and everything else

your posts have given me a clear idea of what I dont want to act like attitude wise from 50-75. in fact you and my mother have the exact same attitude and its telling that you are both bitter old fools that people have to tolerate yet perfer not to be around as much as possible

[NelsonMuntz]

Well, Joe, it isn't worth my time to debate issues with you. For example, this business of using extremely heavy weights. Ronnie was squatting over 800 pounds for a couple of reps. Ditto for deadlifts.
He was demonstrating his strength using that much weight. Had he used 500 pounds for many sets of perhaps 10 to 15 reps he would have still triggered hypertrophy and perhaps saved his body from
crippling injuries. Heck, even 500 pounds is extreme.

again you dumb fuck, Ronnie did 99% of his lifts in the 10-15 range. Those deadlifts and squats you saw for doubles were one offs

if you are going to critique someones training overall at least know what they did outside of 2 clips of squats and deadlifts you soggy old bitter queer

[oldschoolfan]

Coleman is an idiot.  And now that idiot is paying the price for the years of abuse. Not just heavy weights but heavy drug use.  Carrying that ego around along with his bag o' drugs has cause irreparable damage.  He did this to himself.  

The Philsbury Schmoeboy will be having similar health problems due to the abuse of his body with drugs.  The recent thread on him and other "champions" guest posing where they all looked like grained up pigs is the proof.  The manlet must have gills to be able to breathe under so much much water.  Phildo's ego is even bigger than Coleman's.  It might not be as heavy but he's repping out on his way to SchmOelympia history.  Nah.  Hystyeria is more like it.

McCarver's dead.  And other's look like gbrained up zombies.  The posing dead can barely walk up a few stairs.  It's not the training that's doing the draining.  It's the year 'round, massive drug intake.

The wages of stupid.  Coleman is reaping them. Phildo is still sewing away and you can bet he's scared.  

Mr Scott great post,  i get a kick how people admire Ronnie, he crippled himself is an drug addict and fathered  20 kids. these morons actually believes he goes to all these conventions and because he "loves the sport"

Ronnie is so dumb he probably though the oxy and vics were aspirin, yeah buddy !

[NelsonMuntz]

Bingo.

Those are the problems with opiates - it's not the toxicity of this class of drug that is the problem, it's doing exactly what you described that Ronnie is doing.

Overdose is another problem - that affects the people who want to get REALLY high.  I have no idea why people need to be that high - or that drunk for that matter [to the point where the alcohol puts them in a blackout state].

But for those concerned about health - I see nothing "healthier" [as in, less organ-toxic] than opioids.

PLEASE GUYS - DO NOT TAKE THIS AS MEANING I AM CONDONING OPIOID USE.  I'M MERELY SAYING THAT THEY DON'T DO ACUTE DAMAGE EACH TIME YOU USE THEM.

Whereas, the hepatotoxicity of alcohol is a given, literally any time you drink more than 2-3 drinks per sitting.  Even one drink may cause some slight issues - such as liver cirrhosis.  Cocaine is cardiotoxic [heart-toxic], and when combined with alcohol, produces a third drug called cocaethylene, which has a longer half-life [thus making so many people do it - as they can enjoy a better buzz for longer], but is more damaging to the heart than either cocaine or alcohol together.

Often, yes - but opiates are the only drug suitable to my constitution.  So I'm at a point in life where I have to choose between opiates on the odd occasion [NOT daily], or...abstinence.  Not even handles alcohol well.  I certainly don't.

epic arrogant thinking that we actually take your posts seriously brah

[The Scott]

mr scott great post,  i get a kick how people admire ronnie, he crippled himseld is an drug addict and fathered  20 kids. these morons actually believes he goes to all these conventions and because he "loves the sport"

ronnie is so dumb he probably though the oxy and vics were aspirin, yeah buddy !

Thanks!  LOL at the aspirins!  

Coleman could wind up deaf from the OxyContin (ab)use.  It happened to Rush Limbaugh and he's far smarter than Coleman.  Addiction is not something to trifle with.  Couple that with Coleman's Genovan IQ and you have a recipe for a deaf cripple.


This addiction to PEDs is also crippling.  I knew more than a few people in the 70s/80s who would stop after the shows, some cold turkey and others tapered off.  They understood the risks were unknown and when dealing with the unknown it's best to err on the side of caution.

[NelsonMuntz]

Decades ago Arthur Jones said that the purpose of training was to build muscle and strength, not demonstrate strength. Therefore it is unnecessary and dangerous to do heavy reps of singles or doubles. Keep the reps over 10 and do even more reps to warm up. Dorian and Ronnie both tore muscles doing extreme training with heavy weights. If you do ballistic movements with heavy weights injury will soon follow.

There was absolutely no need to do squats with over 800 pounds to build thighs. That you can lift that much doesn't mean it is wise. In retrospect those really heavy weights caused damage that can't be undone.
I made the mistake of doing a deadlift with over 500 pounds and tore a biceps. Not smart and not repairable. So, goodbye bodybuilding. I keep warning others NOT to do deadlifts but who on Getbig listens?

furthermore anytime anyone quotes Arthur Jones I laugh and shake my head. He was another bitter tool with a medicore physique for all his talk who did not give a shit about science or training but used it as a niche to market and sell his machines so he could buy more corcodiles and underage girls

birds of a feather flock together

[oldschoolfan]

Thanks!  LOL at the aspirins!  

Coleman could wind up deaf from the OxyContin (ab)use.  It happened to Rush Limbaugh and he's far smarter than Coleman.  Addiction is not something to trifle with.  Couple that with Coleman's Genovan IQ and you have a recipe for a deaf cripple.


This addiction to PEDs is also crippling.  I knew more than a few people in the 70s/80s who would stop after the shows, some cold turkey and others tapered off.  They understood the risks were unknown and when dealing with the unknown it's best to err on the side of caution.

scott the last time ronnie went to the hospital the doctor ordered a brain scan but they found nothing up there.

[Vince B]

again you dumb fuck, Ronnie did 99% of his lifts in the 10-15 range. Those deadlifts and squats you saw for doubles were one offs

if you are going to critique someones training overall at least know what they did outside of 2 clips of squats and deadlifts you soggy old bitter queer

How dense can you be? It is those singles and doubles that will cause the most damage. This is a fact, not an opinion.

[oldschoolfan]

ronnie had great genetics and trained like a retard pure and simple that shit he does now is just being a ego driven person

[spiro]

150mg of oxy a day.

 He probably takes somas on top of that, lyrica for nerve pain etc etc.

[The Scott]

scott the last time ronnie went to the hospital the doctor ordered a brain scan but they found nothing up there.

LOL! Superb!   

[NelsonMuntz]

How dense can you be? It is those singles and doubles that will cause the most damage. This is a fact, not an opinion.

says the guy who the only 2-3 times he got in shape was because he went on dbol. Never any pics of you in shape natural, only fat.

such an expert....

I would have more respect for you if instead of saying "wrong" to everyone's thoughts on training including guys like coach who has a track record of 100's of successful top athletes and bodybuilders over the years under his wing while you have trained nobody yet make all claims about training and diet here for almost 2 decades without ever backing up your claims all the while everyone else is wrong about training and hypertrophy because ImBasile says so.

Honestly I think your problem is low T. You are so in denial about your hormones being low yet you feel it would make you look hypocritical going on hrt after all your anti tseroid arguments, which is ironic because of your love of fast food and obese women

[Agnostic007]

Arnold actually looked good. Ronnie was huge beyond belief, and 8 months pregnant on stage. In the off season he had twins in there.

I agree. IF I had a choice of who I would look like, Arnold hands down

[DooM_]

genetics and drugs. he would still look the same if he trained with lighter weights. it's ridiculous to think training super heavy somehow gave him an advantage . . .