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Re: The man who gave everything for the sport - Ronnie documentary
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2018, 11:25:03 AM »
Vince and I will be seeing this in the movies together.
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Re: The man who gave everything for the sport - Ronnie documentary
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2018, 11:32:58 AM »
To bad he devloped those back problems but damn was he the GOAT!

I saw him in 2003 and Cutler was lucky to be second. Dude was just CRAZY that year!
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Re: The man who gave everything for the sport - Ronnie documentary
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2018, 08:38:20 PM »
GOAT but perhaps now that thats over it might be time for a little better judgement..still doing those bouncing heavy shrugs..you just sense those compressed discs....I feel a little back twinge when I bounce a little weight with light gym rat shrugs...Cant imagine him bouncing those heavy shrugs on his back...But do admire his dedication...

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Re: The man who gave everything for the sport - Ronnie documentary
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2018, 09:43:02 PM »
Decades ago Arthur Jones said that the purpose of training was to build muscle and strength, not demonstrate strength. Therefore it is unnecessary and dangerous to do heavy reps of singles or doubles. Keep the reps over 10 and do even more reps to warm up. Dorian and Ronnie both tore muscles doing extreme training with heavy weights. If you do ballistic movements with heavy weights injury will soon follow.

There was absolutely no need to do squats with over 800 pounds to build thighs. That you can lift that much doesn't mean it is wise. In retrospect those really heavy weights caused damage that can't be undone.
I made the mistake of doing a deadlift with over 500 pounds and tore a biceps. Not smart and not repairable. So, goodbye bodybuilding. I keep warning others NOT to do deadlifts but who on Getbig listens?

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Re: The man who gave everything for the sport - Ronnie documentary
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2018, 10:11:28 PM »
Decades ago Arthur Jones said that the purpose of training was to build muscle and strength, not demonstrate strength. Therefore it is unnecessary and dangerous to do heavy reps of singles or doubles. Keep the reps over 10 and do even more reps to warm up. Dorian and Ronnie both tore muscles doing extreme training with heavy weights. If you do ballistic movements with heavy weights injury will soon follow.

There was absolutely no need to do squats with over 800 pounds to build thighs. That you can lift that much doesn't mean it is wise. In retrospect those really heavy weights caused damage that can't be undone.
I made the mistake of doing a deadlift with over 500 pounds and tore a biceps. Not smart and not repairable. So, goodbye bodybuilding. I keep warning others NOT to do deadlifts but who on Getbig listens?


Thanks for proving once again you know little. Ronnie’s wired quite differently than anyone else when it comes to bodybuilding. You can tell him not to do something until you’re blue in the face and he won’t listen. He knows no other way but at a sacrifice, that’s why he’s the best. Bodybuilding is purely subjective, but IMO, he’s surpassed Arnold....by a lot

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Re: The man who gave everything for the sport - Ronnie documentary
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2018, 10:18:32 PM »
Decades ago Arthur Jones said that the purpose of training was to build muscle and strength, not demonstrate strength. Therefore it is unnecessary and dangerous to do heavy reps of singles or doubles. Keep the reps over 10 and do even more reps to warm up. Dorian and Ronnie both tore muscles doing extreme training with heavy weights. If you do ballistic movements with heavy weights injury will soon follow.

There was absolutely no need to do squats with over 800 pounds to build thighs. That you can lift that much doesn't mean it is wise. In retrospect those really heavy weights caused damage that can't be undone.
I made the mistake of doing a deadlift with over 500 pounds and tore a biceps. Not smart and not repairable. So, goodbye bodybuilding. I keep warning others NOT to do deadlifts but who on Getbig listens?

I actually listened, I stopped doing heavy deadlifts because I got to 500 and was satisfied. They’re not necessary for bodybuilding.

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Re: The man who gave everything for the sport - Ronnie documentary
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2018, 10:19:14 PM »
Thanks for proving once again you know little.



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Re: The man who gave everything for the sport - Ronnie documentary
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2018, 10:21:56 PM »
Thanks for proving once again you know little. Ronnie’s wired quite differently than anyone else when it comes to bodybuilding. You can tell him not to do something until you’re blue in the face and he won’t listen. He knows no other way but at a sacrifice, that’s why he’s the best. Bodybuilding is purely subjective, but IMO, he’s surpassed Arnold....by a lot

You are an embarrassment as a spokesman for training and gyms.

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Re: The man who gave everything for the sport - Ronnie documentary
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2018, 10:32:34 PM »
You are an embarrassment as a spokesman for training and gyms.

Youve back down from every training, bodybuilding or gym debate between us. For example (and I’m going to catch shit for this for being so petty) but when you said “to not demonstrate STRENGTH” when he was he was actually demonstrating “POWER” and deadlifts aren’t a bad thing. Heavy weights aren’t a bad thing. Why the fuck do you think he was bigger and thicker than literally everyone else? Not because of the. Drugs, it was because, unlike most, he trained heavy and hard.

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Re: The man who gave everything for the sport - Ronnie documentary
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2018, 11:37:04 PM »
Decades ago Arthur Jones said that the purpose of training was to build muscle and strength, not demonstrate strength. Therefore it is unnecessary and dangerous to do heavy reps of singles or doubles. Keep the reps over 10 and do even more reps to warm up. Dorian and Ronnie both tore muscles doing extreme training with heavy weights. If you do ballistic movements with heavy weights injury will soon follow.

There was absolutely no need to do squats with over 800 pounds to build thighs. That you can lift that much doesn't mean it is wise. In retrospect those really heavy weights caused damage that can't be undone.
I made the mistake of doing a deadlift with over 500 pounds and tore a biceps. Not smart and not repairable. So, goodbye bodybuilding. I keep warning others NOT to do deadlifts but who on Getbig listens?


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You claim to be the benevolent bodybuilding guru yet you keep your greatest contributions to the sport disassembled and  packed away in a warehouse where it benefits NO ONE!

Release the patent Vince. Let someone else build the machine so we can supinate. We want big arms!

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Re: The man who gave everything for the sport - Ronnie documentary
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2018, 12:10:22 AM »
Why the fuck do you think he was bigger and thicker than literally everyone else? Not because of the. Drugs, it was because, unlike most, he trained heavy and hard.

A lot of guys trained heavy and hard. Ronnie had perfect genetics for both strength and size which is rare. Ronnie's mistake was slinging ridiculous weights too frequently, for too many years with horrid form. Watching him do rows hurts MY back. All that cheating and bouncing. Staying on a massive stack for so many years. Jay Cutler was training with a third of the weight and high reps. So was Lee Haney, and Phil Heath. Look at them now. Ronnie is dead within 5 years, and each day he is high on painkillers and dying quickly. He kept going as the injuries worsened 10 years ago. Even now in his cripled state he is still training with that shitty bouncing form as the doctors told him to stop training. It's Bigorexia at it's worst. Ronnie belongs in a psychiatrists office, not a gym.

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Re: The man who gave everything for the sport - Ronnie documentary
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2018, 12:22:08 AM »
Youve back down from every training, bodybuilding or gym debate between us. For example (and I’m going to catch shit for this for being so petty) but when you said “to not demonstrate STRENGTH” when he was he was actually demonstrating “POWER” and deadlifts aren’t a bad thing. Heavy weights aren’t a bad thing. Why the fuck do you think he was bigger and thicker than literally everyone else? Not because of the. Drugs, it was because, unlike most, he trained heavy and hard.

Well, Joe, it isn't worth my time to debate issues with you. For example, this business of using extremely heavy weights. Ronnie was squatting over 800 pounds for a couple of reps. Ditto for deadlifts.
He was demonstrating his strength using that much weight. Had he used 500 pounds for many sets of perhaps 10 to 15 reps he would have still triggered hypertrophy and perhaps saved his body from
crippling injuries. Heck, even 500 pounds is extreme.

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Re: The man who gave everything for the sport - Ronnie documentary
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2018, 01:21:58 AM »
Bodybuilding is purely subjective, but IMO, he’s surpassed Arnold....by a lot

Arnold actually looked good. Ronnie was huge beyond belief, and 8 months pregnant on stage. In the off season he had twins in there.

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Re: The man who gave everything for the sport - Ronnie documentary
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2018, 02:00:37 AM »
Well, Joe, it isn't worth my time to debate issues with you. For example, this business of using extremely heavy weights. Ronnie was squatting over 800 pounds for a couple of reps. Ditto for deadlifts.
He was demonstrating his strength using that much weight. Had he used 500 pounds for many sets of perhaps 10 to 15 reps he would have still triggered hypertrophy and perhaps saved his body from
crippling injuries. Heck, even 500 pounds is extreme.

yes I’d agree with that Vince you don’t have too lift a massive amount of weight too make improvements doing more volume with (for someone as strong as Coleman was) with 500lb squats and 500lb deadlifts in volume would of more than likely still given him sufficient gains and saved his joints, tendons, discs etc.

The thing is in Coleman’s case (specifically) he had a long history of strength training being a former powerlifter etc long before he became a pro bodybuilder...it’s how the mentality is developed...go hard or...go home.

And it’s that mentality that carried him though his whole bodybuilding career making him a 8 Time Champion, there has NEVER been such an extraordinary extreme example of pushing the human physique too the heights he once achieved and he pushed those boundaries (like Yates before him) too new levels bye sheer brutal force.

Unfortunately that very same mentality has now long after his career has passed...also is responsible for the crippling deliberation and very painful reality he has too deal with day in day out nowadays.

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Re: The man who gave everything for the sport - Ronnie documentary
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2018, 02:38:50 AM »
yes I’d agree with that Vince you don’t have too lift a massive amount of weight too make improvements doing more volume with (for someone as strong as Coleman was) with 500lb squats and 500lb deadlifts in volume would of more than likely still given him sufficient gains and saved his joints, tendons, discs etc.

The thing is in Coleman’s case (specifically) he had a long history of strength training being a former powerlifter etc long before he became a pro bodybuilder...it’s how the mentality is developed...go hard or...go home.

And it’s that mentality that carried him though his whole bodybuilding career making him a 8 Time Champion, there has NEVER been such an extraordinary extreme example of pushing the human physique too the heights he once achieved and he pushed those boundaries (like Yates before him) too new levels bye sheer brutal force.

Unfortunately that very same mentality has now long after his career has passed...also is responsible for the crippling deliberation and very painful reality he has too deal with day in day out nowadays.


Ronnie always trained heavy that’s no secret, but what really changed his physique so dramatically hmmmm! The heavy drug use, upping the dosages with gh and insulin


Ronnie is a product of good genetics , hard work , and lots of drugs

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Re: The man who gave everything for the sport - Ronnie documentary
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2018, 02:43:57 AM »
Thanks for proving once again you know little. Ronnie’s wired quite differently than anyone else when it comes to bodybuilding. You can tell him not to do something until you’re blue in the face and he won’t listen. He knows no other way but at a sacrifice, that’s why he’s the best. Bodybuilding is purely subjective, but IMO, he’s surpassed Arnold....by a lot

Like him or hate him Phil will surpass ronnie in O wins while lifting half of what he lifts and will likely preserve his health

And Phil is a complete bber from head to toe, most likely doesn’t even deadlift, squat, or bench

Ronnie, as impressive as he was, he was his own enemy, didn’t know when to stop, he would have likely still won all those titles without doing heavy lifts, his ego got in the way and he didn’t adapt with age and didn’t listen to his body

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Re: The man who gave everything for the sport - Ronnie documentary
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2018, 05:42:36 AM »
Phil heath has zero charisma.

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Re: The man who gave everything for the sport - Ronnie documentary
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2018, 06:02:11 AM »
He walks like a dwarf or something in that trailer,  scary how he destroyed himself, nothing is worth more than health

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Re: The man who gave everything for the sport - Ronnie documentary
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2018, 06:06:55 AM »
Coleman is an idiot.  And now that idiot is paying the price for the years of abuse. Not just heavy weights but heavy drug use.  Carrying that ego around along with his bag o' drugs has cause irreparable damage.  He did this to himself.  

The Philsbury Schmoeboy will be having similar health problems due to the abuse of his body with drugs.  The recent thread on him and other "champions" guest posing where they all looked like grained up pigs is the proof.  The manlet must have gills to be able to breathe under so much much water.  Phildo's ego is even bigger than Coleman's.  It might not be as heavy but he's repping out on his way to SchmOelympia history.  Nah.  Hystyeria is more like it.

McCarver's dead.  And other's look like gbrained up zombies.  The posing dead can barely walk up a few stairs.  It's not the training that's doing the draining.  It's the year 'round, massive drug intake.

The wages of stupid.  Coleman is reaping them. Phildo is still sewing away and you can bet he's scared. 

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Re: The man who gave everything for the sport - Ronnie documentary
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2018, 06:24:56 AM »
Phil heath has zero charisma.

Unlike you, At least his life doesn’t revolve around posting on message board.

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Re: The man who gave everything for the sport - Ronnie documentary
« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2018, 07:04:27 AM »
Unlike you, At least his life doesn’t revolve around posting on message board.

It is doubtless that to a great degree, Phildo's life revolves around his drug intake regimen.  That and responding to the "#HATERZ" via some form of social media.  The rest of his busy day is spent on his workout and then stuffing his piggie face with food followed by pooping.   ;D ;D

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Re: The man who gave everything for the sport - Ronnie documentary
« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2018, 09:50:08 AM »
Unlike you, At least his life doesn’t revolve around posting on message board.

The comparison was between phildo and Ronnie Coleman. Ronnie 10x> phildo

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Re: The man who gave everything for the sport - Ronnie documentary
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