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Nick from Nick's Strength and Power made a good point that I've been saying for a while. Bodybuilding as in the categories of this pageant is bigger and more popular than ever. The problem is the fans have rebelled against what has been presented to us and alot of good prospects for the open class are going to Classic Physique. NPC shows are filled with Classic Physique and Physique Competitors and the open looks pathetic. There will be a point when the NPC Classic Overall Winner will look better than the open and they should worry when this trends.
"They" always say people wanna see the freaks and to a degree that's true but we're talking about from 95-99 when most didn't have guts and wide waistlines. According to Luimarco (and I believe him) most of these guys are broke even some top 6 guys, parley that into the boatload of drugs they have to do, the massive amounts of food they have to force down,and then many end up ruining their physiques and health, I mean WTF?
Classic Physique is the future. It's what the athletes want and what the fans want.
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50 views and no comments? Well fuck you too!
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If you are an amateur, the fastest route to go pro is the do bodybuilding, once you get there then you can compete in any division you want. No point in trying to go pro in physique or classic, the classes are flooded with competitors.
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Nick from Nick's Strength and Power made a good point that I've been saying for a while. Bodybuilding as in the categories of this pageant is bigger and more popular than ever. The problem is the fans have rebelled against what has been presented to us and alot of good prospects for the open class are going to Classic Physique. NPC shows are filled with Classic Physique and Physique Competitors and the open looks pathetic. There will be a point when the NPC Classic Overall Winner will look better than the open and they should worry when this trends.
"They" always say people wanna see the freaks and to a degree that's true but we're talking about from 95-99 when most didn't have guts and wide waistlines. According to Luimarco (and I believe him) most of these guys are broke even some top 6 guys, parley that into the boatload of drugs they have to do, the massive amounts of food they have to force down,and then many end up ruining their physiques and health, I mean WTF?
Classic Physique is the future. It's what the athletes want and what the fans want.
Every glance in the mirror is death before your eyes. You will have to get used to it.
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Every glance in the mirror is death before your eyes. You will have to get used to it.
Glad to see your 3 month hiatus has ended.
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Glad to see your 3 month hiatus has ended.
Other forms of social media really can take away from the Getbig experience. Honestly, this place is still the best.
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50 views and no comments? Well fuck you too!
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You're right it sad. Last weekend there were like 3 ifbb pro contests and I don't think any of them had a men's bodybuilding open event. it was all physique, fitness, bikini, classic etc.... I mean female bodybuilding used to be very popular in the 80s and early 90's and its all but dead. replaced by all this other shit. Men's is going away too. IDK when but who cares. heath will win the O 12 times so what he looks like shit and he's a retard. the guys dont want to get the level of conditioning the 90s guy's had because they don't want to die for a plastic trophy....but they'll shoot all kinds of oil and shit in their bodies and die anyway.
In 2017 Mark Dugdale won something called the arctic pro. Who even knew he was still competing? who cares...its sad.
best hope is that classic bodybuilding physique or whatever its called evolves and eventually they will resemble 70s and 80s pros.
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"They" always say people wanna see the freaks and to a degree that's true but we're talking about from 95-99 when most didn't have guts and wide waistlines. According to Luimarco (and I believe him) most of these guys are broke even some top 6 guys, parley that into the boatload of drugs they have to do, the massive amounts of food they have to force down,and then many end up ruining their physiques and health, I mean WTF?
This is the meat of it. The freaks of years ago had more polish physique wise, charisma, etc.... And if you think about the numbers, even the freaks of the 70's - mid 90's were probably closer weight wise to the classic physique numbers. Too many guys chasing #300 that have no need to be there. And now it's even worse with social media because you see them die, get sick, and look.... unfortunate for 3/4's of the year in real time.
That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if you see a creeping of the classic physique weight class number as years go past. Maybe we'll wind up with a thinly disguised "classic freak" class in the future. These things go in cycles, sometimes with a reset, then a resumed push. We're seeing it in Powerlifting now. Raw had a good decade plus, now slowly more folks are asking about gear.
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Nick from Nick's Strength and Power made a good point that I've been saying for a while. Bodybuilding as in the categories of this pageant is bigger and more popular than ever. The problem is the fans have rebelled against what has been presented to us and alot of good prospects for the open class are going to Classic Physique. NPC shows are filled with Classic Physique and Physique Competitors and the open looks pathetic. There will be a point when the NPC Classic Overall Winner will look better than the open and they should worry when this trends.
"They" always say people wanna see the freaks and to a degree that's true but we're talking about from 95-99 when most didn't have guts and wide waistlines. According to Luimarco (and I believe him) most of these guys are broke even some top 6 guys, parley that into the boatload of drugs they have to do, the massive amounts of food they have to force down,and then many end up ruining their physiques and health, I mean WTF?
Classic Physique is the future. It's what the athletes want and what the fans want.
Yes, in a way. I just attended the local show in my state and the better looking more genetically gifted guys are going into Classic and the number of Classic competitors is starting to outnumber the novice and open bodybuilders. This is healthy because, after all, there are weight limits in Classic (although they recently raised them). But here’s the thing and those of us on this Board are part of this. Do we give a shit about the Classic guys yet? Are they in the magazines? Do they have an Internet following? I don’t personally follow them, but I’m not a good test case (don’t play around with social media, go to expos, etc.)
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Wiggs
You should enter a classic physique contest, it would be good for your PT Business empire
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50 views and no comments? Well fuck you too!
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No one wants to talk to a flat earther. ;)
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Nick from Nick's Strength and Power made a good point that I've been saying for a while. Bodybuilding as in the categories of this pageant is bigger and more popular than ever. The problem is the fans have rebelled against what has been presented to us and alot of good prospects for the open class are going to Classic Physique. NPC shows are filled with Classic Physique and Physique Competitors and the open looks pathetic. There will be a point when the NPC Classic Overall Winner will look better than the open and they should worry when this trends.
"They" always say people wanna see the freaks and to a degree that's true but we're talking about from 95-99 when most didn't have guts and wide waistlines. According to Luimarco (and I believe him) most of these guys are broke even some top 6 guys, parley that into the boatload of drugs they have to do, the massive amounts of food they have to force down,and then many end up ruining their physiques and health, I mean WTF?
Classic Physique is the future. It's what the athletes want and what the fans want.
Nick’s video:
On a personal note, I really like this young guy. He’s smart, serious, and loves and respects bodybuilding. No homo.
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WIGGS, Good to see you back on this board.
I believe that CLASSIC is the bodybuilding wave of the future, bur the mass monsters will remain in the picture as long as no more of those competitors pass away as a result of whatever it takes to get to the top.
The big thing here is that all these other divisions that were not contested when Joe Weider was alive is the brain-child of Jim Manion and possibly the fastest and most profitable endeavor since the discovery of chewing gum and possibly even the internet (maybe).
In my lifetime I have never witnessed a swifter growth of any activity related to the lifting of heavy things than this current NPC/IFBB association.
Let me know if you feel otherwise.
Other than that, how the hell are you doing down there?
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Bodybuilding died when Ronnie was still mr Olympia
Bench
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best hope is that classic bodybuilding physique or whatever its called evolves and eventually they will resemble 70s and 80s pros.
This is what I also hope for.
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No one wants to talk to a flat earther. ;)
I think a flat Earth is dying before our eyes :'(
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Nick from Nick's Strength and Power made a good point that I've been saying for a while. Bodybuilding as in the categories of this pageant is bigger and more popular than ever. The problem is the fans have rebelled against what has been presented to us and alot of good prospects for the open class are going to Classic Physique. NPC shows are filled with Classic Physique and Physique Competitors and the open looks pathetic. There will be a point when the NPC Classic Overall Winner will look better than the open and they should worry when this trends.
"They" always say people wanna see the freaks and to a degree that's true but we're talking about from 95-99 when most didn't have guts and wide waistlines. According to Luimarco (and I believe him) most of these guys are broke even some top 6 guys, parley that into the boatload of drugs they have to do, the massive amounts of food they have to force down,and then many end up ruining their physiques and health, I mean WTF?
Classic Physique is the future. It's what the athletes want and what the fans want.
I will say this, beyond the big midsection, todays pro’s are very inconsistent with their conditioning. They are either way off or very good. Then next time, they are so-so. We never see the top guys ALL show up at 100%. And it’s a shame because these guys don’t have jobs. Their one job is to get into top condition. Often, they are chasing big numbers on the scale.
And when they’re off... we don’t blame them, we blame their guru.
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Although I still somewhat keep up with Men's Pro bodybuilding. The peak years for me were the 1990's. I was fortunate to get to go to several pro shows in that era.
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Quite simple to explain.
IFBB controls pro bb. They fear bb will go elsewhere if they drug test.
Therefore no testing.
They know bb are weak and can easily be controlled.
Unless and until they do strict testing plus off season testing things can't change.
Those drugs already destroyed women's bodybuilding.
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Bodybuilding isn't dying, it's dead. The body has been cold for many years but nobody cared enough to put it in the ground.
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Nick from Nick's Strength and Power made a good point that I've been saying for a while. Bodybuilding as in the categories of this pageant is bigger and more popular than ever. The problem is the fans have rebelled against what has been presented to us and alot of good prospects for the open class are going to Classic Physique. NPC shows are filled with Classic Physique and Physique Competitors and the open looks pathetic. There will be a point when the NPC Classic Overall Winner will look better than the open and they should worry when this trends.
"They" always say people wanna see the freaks and to a degree that's true but we're talking about from 95-99 when most didn't have guts and wide waistlines. According to Luimarco (and I believe him) most of these guys are broke even some top 6 guys, parley that into the boatload of drugs they have to do, the massive amounts of food they have to force down,and then many end up ruining their physiques and health, I mean WTF?
Classic Physique is the future. It's what the athletes want and what the fans want.
i agree with the general premise. I have been to 3 different amateur shows (natural and NPC) this year, and the trend is less bodybuilding, more mens physique and classic.
That being said, I always chuckle at this clown Nick's videos.
He has been involved in bodybuilding for 5 years and uses his youtube channel to speak like a veteran of the industry. What a joke.
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You'll always have young insecure men looking to become as big as they possibly can. Most physique competitors are mentally ill, I just don't see them saying "ok now this is big enough" .. some people are just going to look to push the envelope
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We've discussed this before! Bodybuilding is dying thanks to social media and the brutal truth available on the internet in general...
In 1998 , Bodybuilders were perceived as elite athletes thanks to Weider and Robert Kennedy publications .
Today what you see 24/7 on instagram and youtube is simply pure vanity ,narcissism by a bunch of obnoxious "know it all" cookie cutters that happen to be more popular than the bodybuilders champs of this era .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH RIP
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To me, it’s very simple. There shouldn’t even need to be a “classic” division. It should just be bodybuilding, period.
All they should do is change the standards and judging criteria. No weight limits necessary. The ability to perform a vacuum should be a REQUIREMENT, and a no synthol policy should be strictly enforced, at least as much as is possible. Simple.
Unfortunately, the schmoe judges likely won’t let that happen.
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By adding all of these shitbird divisions, they have made bodybuilding less important. More 'regular' people entering shows when it used to be just the elite. Coupled with all the bullshit that's involved, some folks have tapped out from the competing altogether. They can make some money being themselves on social media without swallowing any loads.
The latest category added is men's fitness - sissy looking boys jumping around doing cosplay gymnastics. Not sure if it's just overseas but the clips I did see were in Europe, I believe.
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Back in the 90s there was no internet so all the schmoes would “sponsor” bodybuilders with lots of money so they would have better drugs. But all those homos died of aids so the now bodybuilders now have to work day jobs or fuck grapefruits.
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By adding all of these shitbird divisions, they have made bodybuilding less important. More 'regular' people entering shows when it used to be just the elite. Coupled with all the bullshit that's involved, some folks have tapped out from the competing altogether. They can make some money being themselves on social media without swallowing any loads.
The latest category added is men's fitness - sissy looking boys jumping around doing cosplay gymnastics. Not sure if it's just overseas but the clips I did see were in Europe, I believe.
Joe to me if the open category was good enough, the "shitbird" divisions wouldn't have a chance. But we have one of the "shitbird" divisions clearly outshining the so called money maker open division and the outlook for the open division isn't looking bright either but the Classic Physique Division is churning out genetic marvels and the people have taken notice and want more of this division and less of what's in the open.
Phil (unlikeable), Rhoden (no big personality) Bonac (good), Ramy (good but not improving), Cedric (Not gonna happen) Wolf (Done), Roelly, (40 years old, and no lower back of Olympia level conditioning.) Dexter (Not much longer to compete). DeAsha (Good prospect) Oliva (not his daddy).
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You'll always have young insecure men looking to become as big as they possibly can. Most physique competitors are mentally ill, I just don't see them saying "ok now this is big enough" .. some people are just going to look to push the envelope
You hit on it.
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+ plastic trophy is replaced polymer trophy :D
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You hit on it.
yup, this. and most are short like coach
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its still big overseas,, just in the states its classic and mens phy which are big
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Bodybuilding was subculture sport until Pumping Iron came out. Then it exploded and gyms were everywhere. There were so many pro and amateur contests. Now it's dead except for a few contests. It's a sport for insecure men and most of them are going into jui jitsu dojo's instead of bodybuilding gyms.
Really it's just oiled up men posing in thongs to music drugged out of all comprehension for cheering men. The jig is up. Most know without the drug assist they long like crap. I am in awe of what hard work and drugs can do but for not one minute do I forget what I am looking at. It's a temporary drug physique that will go away in months without the syringe.
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Nick from Nick's Strength and Power made a good point that I've been saying for a while. Bodybuilding as in the categories of this pageant is bigger and more popular than ever. The problem is the fans have rebelled against what has been presented to us and alot of good prospects for the open class are going to Classic Physique. NPC shows are filled with Classic Physique and Physique Competitors and the open looks pathetic. There will be a point when the NPC Classic Overall Winner will look better than the open and they should worry when this trends.
"They" always say people wanna see the freaks and to a degree that's true but we're talking about from 95-99 when most didn't have guts and wide waistlines. According to Luimarco (and I believe him) most of these guys are broke even some top 6 guys, parley that into the boatload of drugs they have to do, the massive amounts of food they have to force down,and then many end up ruining their physiques and health, I mean WTF?
Classic Physique is the future. It's what the athletes want and what the fans want.
100% agree. A length and/or weight limit is prob the best strategy to maintain quality line-ups. The only thing they should get rid of, are those shiny gay ass Calvin Klein like posing thrunks.
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Bodybuilding was subculture sport until Pumping Iron came out. Then it exploded and gyms were everywhere. There were so many pro and amateur contests. Now it's dead except for a few contests. It's a sport for insecure men and most of them are going into jui jitsu dojo's instead of bodybuilding gyms.
Really it's just oiled up men posing in thongs to music drugged out of all comprehension for cheering men. The jig is up. Most know without the drug assist they long like crap. I am in awe of what hard work and drugs can do but for not one minute do I forget what I am looking at. It's a temporary drug physique that will go away in months without the syringe.
It's all illusion.
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OLDTIMER,You said someplace up above about bodybuilding that "now it's dieing except for a few contests".
Sorry but I gotta totally disagree with you.
I don't believe that anyone on this board has any idea or knowledge regarging the number of individuals who purchase an NPC card each year for the tune of $125.00 each. (That $125 figure is an estimate.)
Nor do we have any idea how many IFBB pros renew their IFBB pro card each year for the tune of $300. (That $300 is a guesstimate.)
But nowadays the NPC/IFBB membership has grown way beyond anyone's expectations and there appears to be no end in sight as the organization is spreading world-wide
In 2001 Lorenzo Fertitta and Frank Fertitta, the two brothers who own the Station casinos in Las Vegas invested $2,000,000 (?) in what is now named the UFC .
And in 2016 the brothers sold the UFC to the William Morris Endeavor agency for approximately four to five billion U.S. dollars!
Yes, that's billion!
Now this may be comparing apples to oranges, but the NPC/IFBB has many more thousands members than the UFC .... and although bodybuilding related events may not be as popular as UFC fighting events, the number of NPC/IFBB yearly events greatly outnumber those UFC events many times over.
We may be seeing the future here!
But then again, maybe not!
But, OLDTIMER, I certainly don't see any death signs yet.
Just continuous and constant growth!
Any arguments are appreciated.
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Bodybuilding isn't dying, it's dead. The body has been cold for many years but nobody cared enough to put it in the ground.
This.
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Thanks, Fortress, but how do you account for the vast NPC and IFBB membership increase and the growth of NPC/IFBB events throughout the world under the leadership of Jim Manion?
Are you seeing something or are you aware of something that I ain't?
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There will always be a place for the freaks.
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If you look at the number of teenagers competing in bodybuilding, it's almost non existent today. I was competing in teenage bodybuilding contests from 1979-1982 and the teen divisions were always packed with teenage bodybuilders. The 1980 and 1981 AAU Teenage Mr. Illinois, which was held in age divisions instead of height classes, had over 100 teenage competitors. Many of those competitors went on to compete in open bodybuilding contests later in the '80's and '90's. If the teenage competitors are practically gone (most teen divisions today have 1-2 competitors), where are the future competitors going to come from? It looks like Men's Bodybuilding is going in the same direction as Women's Bodybuilding. There are less and less competitors who want to look like the bodybuilders so the numbers are going to go down. The other divisions (men's physique, bikini, figure and especially classic physique) are going strong and getting bigger. I think the future will be in classic physique as well. It's growing tremendously in the last few years and the physiques competing in this division are getting better and better. The common idea is that "people will always want to see the freaks" but I don't think this is correct. The audience for the current state of professional bodybuilding physiques (extreme size, big waistlines, synthol injected bodyparts, no posing talent) is dropping off. Even most bodybuilding fans are not excited about the current state of bodybuilding and most people talk nostalgically about how great the physiques were in the 1970's and '80's.
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It's all illusion.
Many parts of society are an illusion
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bodybuilding peeked at pumping iron up until 1980. that is when cbs quit airing the mr Olympia because they were convinced the show was fixed that year, and it has been downhill ever since, bodybuilding will always be a subculture sport at best, most people find the top pros disgusting, you have 5-2 dwarfs competing at 260.
fitness in general has gotten bigger but the sport itself has declined quite a bit.
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It's been dead for years.
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If you look at the number of teenagers competing in bodybuilding, it's almost non existent today. I was competing in teenage bodybuilding contests from 1979-1982 and the teen divisions were always packed with teenage bodybuilders. The 1980 and 1981 AAU Teenage Mr. Illinois, which was held in age divisions instead of height classes, had over 100 teenage competitors. Many of those competitors went on to compete in open bodybuilding contests later in the '80's and '90's. If the teenage competitors are practically gone (most teen divisions today have 1-2 competitors), where are the future competitors going to come from? It looks like Men's Bodybuilding is going in the same direction as Women's Bodybuilding. There are less and less competitors who want to look like the bodybuilders so the numbers are going to go down. The other divisions (men's physique, bikini, figure and especially classic physique) are going strong and getting bigger. I think the future will be in classic physique as well. It's growing tremendously in the last few years and the physiques competing in this division are getting better and better. The common idea is that "people will always want to see the freaks" but I don't think this is correct. The audience for the current state of professional bodybuilding physiques (extreme size, big waistlines, synthol injected bodyparts, no posing talent) is dropping off. Even most bodybuilding fans are not excited about the current state of bodybuilding and most people talk nostalgically about how great the physiques were in the 1970's and '80's.
I don't recall even seeing a teenage class anymore?
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Many parts of society are an illusion
We are both philosophers.
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its still big overseas,, just in the states its classic and mens phy which are big
Yes I have been getting that vibe aswell, supplements seams to be pushed heavy over seas also
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the contest money is higher than ever
heath made like 400 k for winning the olympia, i remember when ronnie won back in like 2002 i think his prize money was 100 k or so
anybody that knows me knows i much prefer the 90's bodies, but where is that money coming from if the sport is dying?
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the contest money is higher than ever
heath made like 400 k for winning the olympia, i remember when ronnie won back in like 2002 i think his prize money was 100 k or so
anybody that knows me knows i much prefer the 90's bodies, but where is that money coming from if the sport is dying?
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From the umpteen added classes which sells a ton more tickets to family and friends.
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Thanks, Fortress, but how do you account for the vast NPC and IFBB membership increase and the growth of NPC/IFBB events throughout the world under the leadership of Jim Manion?
Are you seeing something or are you aware of something that I ain't?
See the following several posts.
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FORTRESS, It seems that the "following posts" are saying that the bodybuilding contest parts of the NPC sponsored events and the bodybuilding contest parts of the IFBB sponsored events are ether dieing or have already passed away .... but the other competitive contests that are held within NPC and/or IFBB sanctioned events, such as each of the women's contests plus men's physique and men's classic, are alive and doing well enough to produce the monetary income to financially support and carry the bodybuilding portions of the event.
If that is what the "following posts" insinuate, I MIGHT agree but any possible competitive bodybuilding funeral will not occur while Jim Manion or his successor remain in office.
They will fight to keep it alive if necessary!
Death means "It exists no more", but competitive bodybuilding has a long life ahead of it.
At present and in line with some of the comments on this GetBig Board it appears that ... It just needs a "second opinion".
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the contest money is higher than ever
heath made like 400 k for winning the olympia, i remember when ronnie won back in like 2002 i think his prize money was 100 k or so
anybody that knows me knows i much prefer the 90's bodies, but where is that money coming from if the sport is dying?
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that is incorrect.
the winners gets more money, but collectively there is less $ given out. They used to award money to all that placed at the olympia.
The arnold has dried up funds as well, winner used to get a hummer + 100k
The NY pro is now a joke. zero prize money. I have stated before, that even natural pro shows give out $3k to the winner. DeAsha got a brass ring and a cheap plaque.
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We are both philosophers.
"I see" (and therefore I am) ;)
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FORTRESS, It seems that the "following posts" are saying that the bodybuilding contest parts of the NPC sponsored events and the bodybuilding contest parts of the IFBB sponsored events are ether dieing or have already passed away .... but the other competitive contests that are held within NPC and/or IFBB sanctioned events, such as each of the women's contests plus men's physique and men's classic, are alive and doing well enough to produce the monetary income to financially support and carry the bodybuilding portions of the event.
If that is what the "following posts" insinuate, I MIGHT agree but any possible competitive bodybuilding funeral will not occur while Jim Manion or his successor remain in office.
They will fight to keep it alive if necessary!
Death means "It exists no more", but competitive bodybuilding has a long life ahead of it.
At present and in line with some of the comments on this GetBig Board it appears that ... It just needs a "second opinion".
Of course it still exists. I’m not arguing that.
But its time as what it once was is long, long gone.
It’s essentially gone back underground ... and produces physiques dramatically worse than we’ve ever seen, overall.
Bodybuilding gym culture has all but vanished.
And the cat’s (regarding drug use) out of the bag, thanks to the internet.
I entered the scene in the ‘80s.
Hardcore bodybuilding, in generalized terms, is dead.
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OK, FORTRESS!
Thanks.
Interesting comments above and very little that I can disagree with.
Maybe this comment may be appropriate regarding the future of this bodybuilding contest 'thing" ....
"Bodybuilding contests as we witness them today .... Will continue throughout the future with all its 'deadness'!
But maybe we both agree entirely that there is nothing more boring than sitting through and watching a professional bodybuilding contest .... unless you are a good friend of one or more of the contestants.
Othewise I'd rather watch Marty's wet paint dry.
Thanks again, FORT, for your intelligent responses even though we may be in disagreement mode.
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OK, FORTRESS!
Thanks.
Interesting comments above and very little that I can disagree with.
Maybe this comment may be appropriate regarding the future of this bodybuilding contest 'thing" ....
"Bodybuilding contests as we witness them today .... Will continue throughout the future with all its 'deadness'!
But maybe we both agree entirely that there is nothing more boring than sitting through and watching a professional bodybuilding contest .... unless you are a good friend of one or more of the contestants.
Othewise I'd rather watch Marty's wet paint dry.
Thanks again, FORT, for your intelligent responses even though we may be in disagreement mode.
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that is incorrect.
the winners gets more money, but collectively there is less $ given out. They used to award money to all that placed at the olympia.
The arnold has dried up funds as well, winner used to get a hummer + 100k
The NY pro is now a joke. zero prize money. I have stated before, that even natural pro shows give out $3k to the winner. DeAsha got a brass ring and a cheap plaque.
only the top 10 got money at the olympia, the early 2000's had 20+ contestants so more than half of the olympia competitors left with nothing
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