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Can you believe Basil said he could beat this?
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Overrated and egotistic to boot.
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Overrated and egotistic to boot.
Is that your entire perspective on everything, Vince? Just make non-arguments and expect people to learn something from you, or change their perspective? Please, tell me more about how "racist" I am for pointing out that West Africans produce more top sprinters per 1,000 births, and have greater potential in other sports, like basketball and football [although not the quarterback position, because that actually requires intelligence to play. ;D].
But according to you, 50,000 years of divergent biological evolution produced radical changes to our skin - our LARGEST organ - but our brains were completely unchanged. ::)
Haha, God, why is the left so moronic on this topic? Yes Vince, our brains were subject to the forces of evolution - just our skin. ::)
Damn, now that this shitty political correct cultural cancer that has ravaged the West for over 50 years is FINALLY being pushed back against do we finally see our retarded some of these perspectives are.
Hey Vince - how are the migrants acting in Australia? Haha. Soon Aussies will be BEGGING to get their own version of Trump elected, and I can't wait. :) Too bad your generation screwed it up so badly for my generation. Although to be fair, it's my generation polluting the planet and likely making it worse for my children's generation. :-\
Anyway - I thought Zane looked amazing. Yes, he was "normal" looking in clothes, even at his prime, but how can anyone have a problem with how he looked, at 5'9.5" and 185-lb.
Great interview here...jk. ;D
Was it REALLY so bad that I asked Frank Zane what women thought of his physique? To be honest, there are only a few pro bodybuilders who I can show the pictures of to women and hear a positive comment. Gunter Schlierkamp is probably the largest pro bodybuilder who I have found most women to be attracted to. Most women find it overwhelming, but physiques ranging from Frank Zane to Bob Paris were usually appreciated by women.
Being around the same height as Frank, I always wanted to look like him. Of course, that is extremely unrealistic, and most likely impossible without steroids. His physique in clothes looks quite ideal to me - muscular and ripped, yes, but not overwhelming. And easy to maintain without massive steroid abuse - even though I do understand 99.9% of men would have to use steroids in order to look like Frank did, if not closer to 100%.
LOL @ this reply to my YouTube interview with Frank:
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Has Zane ever talked about his drug cycle?
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Has Zane ever talked about his drug cycle?
Natty brah.
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Matt, how can anyone have a sensible conversation with you when your comprehension sucks?
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Overrated and egotistic to boot.
it's funny you say this. Zane was one of my first heroes in bodybuilding. When I was younger I read his book THE ZANE WAY TO A HEALTHY BODY. I got his autograph. many years later I met him again at the Arnold Classic. I was pretty excited to meet him again and I came away disappointed. He is a very smug guy. I thought I was the only person to get that impression of him.....but that still does not make him overrated.
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Sure Zane looked good. I doubt he deserved 3 Olympias, though. Lots of political crap over the years in the IFBB.
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That pic right there IS bodybuilding. ^^
Not over-rated at all. Especially compared to the crap-fest known as BB today.
Vince you looked very good in your Mr. Canada pics, but you cant touch that.
I think Frank is more aloof than ignorant. That is why he lead (still leads) a quiet home life while still being successful.
Nothing wrong w/ that.
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Can you believe Basil said he could beat this?
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Yeah, on IronAge he was baby :'(, supposedly Mr.Zane told him to PO ;D
OBW, in 1971 he would win Mr.Universe title after ONLY 6 months of training ::)
Nobody was stopping him from winning NABBA Universe '71 or 72' or ........................ ..
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Overrated and egotistic to boot.
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Yeah, on IronAge he was baby :'(, supposedly Mr.Zane told him to PO ;D
OBW, in 1971 he would win Mr.Universe title after ONLY 6 months of training ::)
Nobody was stopping him from winning NABBA Universe '71 or 72' or ........................ ..
You really are a genuine dildo. No way I would try sufficient drugs to make me a Mr Universe in 1970-71.
Health is way more important than silly titles and trophies. By the way, look who the top three guys were
then. Sergio, Arnold and Bill Pearl. No point even trying to beat them. Zane had to wait until Arnold
retired and Sergio was banned from the IFBB.
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For a while there in the late 70s Zane's type of physique became the ideal.
He really knew how to present himself in the best possible way.
A real pro.
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Zane had to wait until Arnold
retired and Sergio was banned from the IFBB.
Vince everybody had to wait 'til Arnold retired, he was Weider's money machine.
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im waiting for phil heath to retire before i try to become mr olympia
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Sure Zane looked good. I doubt he deserved 3 Olympias, though. Lots of political crap over the years in the IFBB.
Anyone who would choose to look like todays piles of shit over zane in that pic is crazy smug or not who cares that's what BB should be same with bob paris
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For a while there in the late 70s Zane's type of physique became the ideal.
He really knew how to present himself in the best possible way.
A real pro.
The same can be said about Phil today .
WooOSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH TA NA KA AAAAAA
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The same can be said about Phil today .
WooOSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH TA NA KA AAAAAA
Noooooooooooo
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zane was a shit bodybuilder.. swimmer on gear.. frail physique... just look at his back.. no width.. pipe cleaner arms..
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zane was a shit bodybuilder.. swimmer on gear.. frail physique... just look at his back.. no width.. pipe cleaner arms..
::) OK Champ
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zane was a shit bodybuilder.. swimmer on gear.. frail physique... just look at his back.. no width.. pipe cleaner arms..
Yeah, he was no good. In fact he was awful.
Really stunk.
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it's funny you say this. Zane was one of my first heroes in bodybuilding. When I was younger I read his book THE ZANE WAY TO A HEALTHY BODY. I got his autograph. many years later I met him again at the Arnold Classic. I was pretty excited to meet him again and I came away disappointed. He is a very smug guy. I thought I was the only person to get that impression of him.....but that still does not make him overrated.
I met him too and got the same impression. Smug is a very good word, but it could just be that he is somewhat of a social misfit and if so that is giving him a compliment.
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;D
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imagine what zane could have done if he had used the suplinator.. :o :o :o :o :o the sky's the limit.
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zane was a shit bodybuilder.. swimmer on gear.. frail physique... just look at his back.. no width.. pipe cleaner arms..
Zane will forever be remembered as a greek statute. You, on the other side, will be forgotten as soon as you enter retirement.
What have you done in life, besides talk shit and do drugs?
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Has Zane ever talked about his drug cycle?
Remember, Frank Zane was known and called "The Chemist" back in the day. Spoke with him many times in World Gym Santa Monica. He was ok. Hard trainer but not that strong.
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I spent a day putting a photo of Frank on a beach here in Australia. I sent a copy to Frank. He returned it unopened saying he didn't accept mail from people he didn't know! He was at my home in Manly years ago with Robert Nailon. Guy is a jerk.
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Frank had a great physique ... of its type.
Was never much of a fan, though. Guy is too hippy-dippy for my taste.
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Sure Zane looked good. I doubt he deserved 3 Olympias, though. Lots of political crap over the years in the IFBB.
You sound like a scorned woman. Can’t remember the qualifiers back then but I’m pretty sure you didn’t qualify for the Olympia or even come close. Know your place. Comparing you to Zane isn’t your place.
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Zane
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You sound like a scorned woman. Can’t remember the qualifiers back then but I’m pretty sure you didn’t qualify for the Olympia or even come close. Know your place. Comparing you to Zane isn’t your place.
And you sound quite dense. I am not comparing myself to Zane. I have the right like anyone else here to voice my opinion about him.
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And you sound quite dense. I am not comparing myself to Zane. I have the right like anyone else here to voice my opinion about him.
Actually I’m probably just as or more informed than you about past and present bodybuilding, training, diet, etc than you are, as a matter of fact, I know it. Throw in “hypertrophy” as well.
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I spent a day putting a photo of Frank on a beach here in Australia. I sent a copy to Frank. He returned it unopened saying he didn't accept mail from people he didn't know! He was at my home in Manly years ago with Robert Nailon. Guy is a jerk.
This explains your bias and ultimately eliminates you from any comments
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Overrated and egotistic to boot.
Vince, who do you think was better during his era. I think Mentzer was better than he was in '79 but who would you have given the O to in 77 and 78? If Ferrigno stayed in bbing after Arnold retired he would
have dominated the scene. He would have destroyed Franco and Zane.
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I spent a day putting a photo of Frank on a beach here in Australia. I sent a copy to Frank. He returned it unopened saying he didn't accept mail from people he didn't know! He was at my home in Manly years ago with Robert Nailon. Guy is a jerk.
Haha owned by Zane
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Vince, who do you think was better during his era. I think Mentzer was better than he was in '79 but who would you have given the O to in 77 and 78? If Ferrigno stayed in bbing after Arnold retired he would
have dominated the scene. He would have destroyed Franco and Zane.
One of the factors that affected who won bodybuilding contests was newsstand appeal. Apparently more copies of magazines were sold if they had a white guy or woman on the cover. So Arnold was preferred over Sergio because he made more money for the magazines. Makes us wonder why Sergio was banned from the IFBB around the time that Arnold was at his peak. Sergio was still superior to everyone else when Arnold retired in 1975. He probably could have won in 1980 had he been allowed to compete.
Zane had Robby Robinson to compete against. Mike Mentzer represented a different method of training and that has to be considered when reviewing contest results.
Remember that Joe cleverly had the judges score the posedown. This was his way of getting 'errant' judges to change their votes. They also had a system where divergence in judging was considered that the judge wasn't accurate. If you voted for someone other than the winner you wouldn't be invited to judge again.
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Sports with judgmental scoring are prone to corruption.
Like the Olympics.
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Zane and Haislop
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Zane and Haislop
haislop brought up his upper body later on to match his legs.
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I spent a day putting a photo of Frank on a beach here in Australia. I sent a copy to Frank. He returned it unopened saying he didn't accept mail from people he didn't know! He was at my home in Manly years ago with Robert Nailon. Guy is a jerk.
This is comedy gold ;D
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I spent a day putting a photo of Frank on a beach here in Australia. I sent a copy to Frank. He returned it unopened saying he didn't accept mail from people he didn't know! He was at my home in Manly years ago with Robert Nailon. Guy is a jerk.
Outstanding photo work Vince, you really have great skills. Frank has changed on the mail thing (email) I wrote an article for his "Building the Body" magazine, and he accepted it from me without knowing me (at the time).
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I spent a day putting a photo of Frank on a beach here in Australia. I sent a copy to Frank. He returned it unopened saying he didn't accept mail from people he didn't know! He was at my home in Manly years ago with Robert Nailon. Guy is a jerk.
That really sucks ........ Ferrigno would have opened it and thank you for it
WooOSHHHHHHHHHHHH
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That really sucks ........ Ferrigno would have opened it and thank you for it
WooOSHHHHHHHHHHHH
damn now you owe him 20$
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VINCE, I don't know the dates in which Zane returned those photos, but I believe that he has not been well lately, so if those photos wee returned recently, there may be a valid reason.
I have not spoken with nor seen Frank nor Christine in the past 12 years and his medical condition as stated above is most likely only a RUMOR, so sdon't place any validity in what I said above.
I only recall that both Frank and Christine were extremely well liked and polite individuals and I cannot picture him acting in the manner in which you stated without some valid reason.
Frank is at an age where forgetting some things in the past is relatively common.
I noticed that about Larry Scott also a year or two before he passed away.
I cannot think of any other reason why he would act that way.
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I spent a day putting a photo of Frank on a beach here in Australia. I sent a copy to Frank. He returned it unopened saying he didn't accept mail from people he didn't know! He was at my home in Manly years ago with Robert Nailon. Guy is a jerk.
this does really prove your bias. obviously chose that picture because Zane looks fantastic there. Now you call him overrated because of personal differences. I agree he's arrogant but he was a great bodybuilder. even if he never won the Olympia. he looked incredible from 77 to 83.
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this does really prove your bias. obviously chose that picture because Zane looks fantastic there. Now you call him overrated because of personal differences. I agree he's arrogant but he was a great bodybuilder. even if he never won the Olympia. he looked incredible from 77 to 83.
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mike mentzer was ripped off against zane at the 79 olympia,
zane was always jealous mentzer sold more books and made more money than him as well
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I met him too and got the same impression. Smug is a very good word, but it could just be that he is somewhat of a social misfit and if so that is giving him a compliment.
mr disgusted that is very interesting, he always came off to me as an asshole, he talked shit about menzter after mike died as well, fuck zane the lil cock roach
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imagine what zane wouldve looked like if he had done steroids
too bad he was afraid of needles
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I spent a day putting a photo of Frank on a beach here in Australia. I sent a copy to Frank. He returned it unopened saying he didn't accept mail from people he didn't know! He was at my home in Manly years ago with Robert Nailon. Guy is a jerk.
which is a bigger jerk move?
A. Return a letter or packet unopened explaining why
B. Dump the packet or letter in the trash without giving it a thought
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which is a bigger jerk move?
A. Return a letter or packet unopened explaining why
B. Dump the packet or letter in the trash without giving it a thought
agnostic what if zane had wiped his ass, and then sent the pic back ? would that have been even more rude ?
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what if zane wouldve booked a flight to australia, went up to vince in person and said "dont you send me any letters you hear!"
now that wouldve been rude
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agnostic what if zane had wiped his ass, and then sent the pic back ? would that have been even more rude ?
That sounds a lot like Option D
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what if zane wouldve booked a flight to australia, went up to vince in person and said "dont you send me any letters you hear!"
now that wouldve been rude
rather lets schmoe this up a bit, zane flies to australia goes up to vince, strips down to his under pants, oils up poses and then goes dont send mail to me im frank zane 3 time mr olympia, i choose who sends me mail !
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rather lets schmoe this up a bit, zane flies to australia goes up to vince, strips down to his under pants, oils up poses and then goes dont send mail to me im frank zane 3 time mr olympia, i choose who sends me mail !
no wonder vince is bitter, i bet thats what really happened!
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rhetorically.... suppose he never won the Olympia he'd still be a great bodybuilder.
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what if zane wouldve booked a flight to australia, went up to vince in person and said "dont you send me any letters you hear!"
now that wouldve been rude
Compulsive behavior disorder.
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mike mentzer was ripped off against zane at the 79 olympia,
zane was always jealous mentzer sold more books and made more money than him as well
Mentzer never had the dryness and asthetics. The man owns this pose.
(https://s8.postimg.cc/cb9pw2mgl/maxresdefault.jpg)
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Zane and Haislop
I zoned in on the woman first.
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This is comedy gold ;D
this was also in the box
(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/AGJWB5/open-cardboard-box-with-dildo-inside-on-top-of-packing-peanuts-red-AGJWB5.jpg)
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(http://i67.tinypic.com/30de62a.jpg)
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mike mentzer was ripped off against zane at the 79 olympia,
zane was always jealous mentzer sold more books and made more money than him as well
I doubt Mentzer ever had Zane money.
Zane had book, tapes and Zane Haven in Palm Spring.
Mentzer was said to be drinking his own urine while hanging around Venice in the '80s.
When he died, he was renting a little apartment and needed his brother Ray to live with him so that they could afford the rent.
Success and the name Mentzer never went hand-in-hand.
That really sucks ........ Ferrigno would have opened it and thank you for it
WooOSHHHHHHHHHHHH
Then send you back a bill for twenty bucks.
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Maybe Vince forgot to write "Mr. Canada".
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I doubt Mentzer ever had Zane money.
Zane had book, tapes and Zane Haven in Palm Spring.
Mentzer was said to be drinking his own urine while hanging around Venice in the '80s.
When he died, he was renting a little apartment and needed his brother Ray to live with him so that they could afford the rent.
Success and the name Mentzer never went hand-in-hand.
Then send you back a bill for twenty bucks.
Mentzer was at one time the highest paid writers for Weider. His courses and tapes sold way more than Zane. Did Zane even have courses and tapes? During that era. I followed bbing very closely during that time and never came across anything that was peddled by Zane. And that whole Mentzer drinking his own urine was absolute bullshit that was spread by those who hated him. And Zane Haven? What about it? Who went there? What makes your think it was a cash cow? I can call my house Pellius Haven but it doesn't mean it's some big attraction. Mentzer had his troubles which is well documented but both did well financially as bbers which is a huge accomplishment in itself.
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In Frank's resume .....
"Frank’s life has been one of continuous achievement. Training with weights for over 60 years, he has won all of bodybuilding’s highest titles, even defeating Arnold Schwarzenegger for Mr. Universe. You might say he is bodybuilding’s most highly educated champion."
There are a few bodybuilders with a PhD degree so I don't think Frank can claim he is bodybuilding's most highly educated champion.
Read the interview with Dr Lance Dreher. He talks about Joe Weider and judging, etc.
http://bodybuilding-mauritius.blogspot.com/2015/04/a-conversation-with-world-bodybuilding.html
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Mentzer died a broke drugged / smoking / sickly lunatic.
Zane is still going strong w/ many books, his squat machine (he just ordered 200 more to be built and sold the 1st 100 pre-orders) his training biz at his home gym is still going strong, etc.
I would say "Zane for the win". and his wife is beautiful...
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I doubt Mentzer ever had Zane money.
Zane had book, tapes and Zane Haven in Palm Spring.
Mentzer was said to be drinking his own urine while hanging around Venice in the '80s.
When he died, he was renting a little apartment and needed his brother Ray to live with him so that they could afford the rent.
Success and the name Mentzer never went hand-in-hand.
Then send you back a bill for twenty bucks.
Mike was making very good money at various points in his life.
He also contributed more than Zane ever could by attempting to properly describe the theory of hypertrophy - rightly or wrongly. Alongside Arthur Jones, Mike had the biggest impact on trainers going back to the drawing board to ask themselves whether they really needed to spend hours on end in the gym.
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I guess youve never read any of Zanes 30 books PJim? Thats all he talks about is how to build muscle.
Mentzer just jumped on Art Jones band wagon because it was popular, he already build his physique the old school way when he was peddling that nonsense.
Same w/ Dorian...
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I guess youve never read any of Zanes 30 books PJim? Thats all he talks about is how to build muscle.
Mentzer just jumped on Art Jones band wagon because it was popular, he already build his physique the old school way when he was peddling that nonsense.
Same w/ Dorian...
I'm aware of his contribution, but Mentzer was a much more gifted writer IMO.
Again, Dorian was doing the exact opposite of what most bodybuilders were doing during his era. He was training 4 days a week on average with minimal working sets and still managed to pushed the envelope in terms of pure mass.
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And you sound quite dense. I am not comparing myself to Zane. I have the right like anyone else here to voice my opinion about him.
Zane is still slim & athletic :)
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Mentzer was at one time the highest paid writers for Weider. His courses and tapes sold way more than Zane. Did Zane even have courses and tapes? During that era. I followed bbing very closely during that time and never came across anything that was peddled by Zane. And that whole Mentzer drinking his own urine was absolute bullshit that was spread by those who hated him. And Zane Haven? What about it? Who went there? What makes your think it was a cash cow? I can call my house Pellius Haven but it doesn't mean it's some big attraction. Mentzer had his troubles which is well documented but both did well financially as bbers which is a huge accomplishment in itself.
great post pellius, there are a few morons on here, mentzer was being paid 150 k a year by weider to help run the magazine, zane was getting paid 5 k a year by weider to win the mr olympia !
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Zane is still slim & athletic :)
Zane, Arnold, and Franco, have all lost most of their large muscle size. Mere shadows of their former selves.
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Zane, Arnold, and Franco, have all lost most of their large muscle size. Mere shadows of their former selves.
Once off the sauce they turned back into Bruce Banner.
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Zane, Arnold, and Franco, have all lost most of their large muscle size. Mere shadows of their former selves.
As they should as old men, only fools keep going for bulk in their 70's...
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great post pellius, there are a few morons on here, mentzer was being paid 150 k a year by weider to help run the magazine, zane was getting paid 5 k a year by weider to win the mr olympia !
I doubt Joe was paying him 150K a year. Where did that number come from?
I'll ask DMass who was his best friend, who also (Dave) happens to be one of mine these days.
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great post pellius, there are a few morons on here, mentzer was being paid 150 k a year by weider to help run the magazine, zane was getting paid 5 k a year by weider to win the mr olympia !
;D
Woo$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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I doubt Joe was paying him 150K a year. Where did that number come from?
I'll ask DMass who was his best friend, who also (Dave) happens to be one of mine these days.
I could believe it, I remember Robert Kennedy mentioning in Musclemag that Mentzer was pulling in A LOT of money.
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Mentzer was at one time the highest paid writers for Weider. His courses and tapes sold way more than Zane. Did Zane even have courses and tapes? During that era. I followed bbing very closely during that time and never came across anything that was peddled by Zane. And that whole Mentzer drinking his own urine was absolute bullshit that was spread by those who hated him. And Zane Haven? What about it? Who went there? What makes your think it was a cash cow? I can call my house Pellius Haven but it doesn't mean it's some big attraction. Mentzer had his troubles which is well documented but both did well financially as bbers which is a huge accomplishment in itself.
Come on!
Zane had a slew of successful books.
Invented a successful piece of exercise equipment and lived in expensive Palm Springs where he ran a successful business.
Mentzer shared a tiny apartment with his kid brother. LOL!
Mentzer died a broke drugged / smoking / sickly lunatic.
Zane is still going strong w/ many books, his squat machine (he just ordered 200 more to be built and sold the 1st 100 pre-orders) his training biz at his home gym is still going strong, etc.
I would say "Zane for the win". and his wife is beautiful...
Exactly. :)
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Mike was making very good money at various points in his life.
He also contributed more than Zane ever could by attempting to properly describe the theory of hypertrophy - rightly or wrongly. Alongside Arthur Jones, Mike had the biggest impact on trainers going back to the drawing board to ask themselves whether they really needed to spend hours on end in the gym.
You mean stealing from Arthur Jones even though he used volume throughout his whole career? ::)
great post pellius, there are a few morons on here, mentzer was being paid 150 k a year by weider to help run the magazine, zane was getting paid 5 k a year by weider to win the mr olympia !
150K, my ass!
If that’s true, Mike must have had some bad habits.
Again, he never had Zane success or money.
Neither on the posing platform nor off it.
He’s a fantasy Mr. Olympia while Zane is a real Mr. Olympia.
The urine stories have been confirmed by many.
Also, his weird obsession with Dan Duchaine was bizarre.
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You mean stealing from Arthur Jones even though he used volume throughout his whole career? ::)
150K, my ass!
If that’s true, Mike must have had some bad habits.
Again, he never had Zane success or money.
Neither on the posing platform nor off it.
He’s a fantasy Mr. Olympia while Zane is a real Mr. Olympia.
The urine stories have been confirmed by many.
Also, his weird obsession with Dan Duchaine was bizarre.
You are missing the point. Yes, Mentzer did more volume during his professional career than he later advocated. However, you are allowed to make revisions regarding training theory based on the observations you make whilst training others. Mike collated and reviewed what worked for his clients and what didn't. That's how the scientific method works, you propose a theory based on an analysis of the data etc. Was he absolutely bang on? Probably not, but what theory can you ever prove unequivocally? We can only ever observe and try our best to understand something. Fundamentally, we should always strive to better understand and describe nature.
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great post pellius, there are a few morons on here, mentzer was being paid $150 a year by weider to help run the magazine, zane was getting paid 5 k a year by weider to win the mr olympia !
Fixed.
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Once off the sauce they turned back into Bruce Banner.
is that what roid rage looks like.. ??? ??? ???
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;D zane for the win.
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I doubt Joe was paying him 150K a year. Where did that number come from?
I'll ask DMass who was his best friend, who also (Dave) happens to be one of mine these days.
power , what does dmass have to say about mentzers real training programs. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? pic of dmass pressing 100 lbers at 16 years of age.. he was also youngest mr america competitor ever for the uninitiated on here.
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power , what does dmass have to say about mentzers real training programs. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? pic of dmass pressing 100 lbers at 16 years of age.. he was also youngest mr america competitor ever for the uninitiated on here.
later on
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Zane, Arnold, and Franco, have all lost most of their large muscle size. Mere shadows of their former selves.
Vince.. come on. All of them look better than you do now. Granted, they were true champions and should be in better shape but still, bagging on The Oak? really?
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I have yet to read most of the above comments, but here is the story that Mike personally told us concerning the income he received from Joe Weider.
I believe I mentioned this years ago on this Board, so I'll make it short.
Mike had a meeting with Joe about his 'wages'.
And Joe somehow 'countered' that instead of 'cash', he would include a full or half page ad in the magazine in which Mike could offer his training services.
Mike reluctantly agreed ..... but started writing.
And Weider ran the ad. (I have never seen this ad, but some of you GetBiggers may have and might be able to post it here.)
Months later Mike went to the Post Office to check out his P.O. Box which had a note on it asking him to talk to a postal clerk at the front desk.
Mike did that and the postal clerk asked, "Do you have a large bag?".
Mike did not have a large bag so he went next door and got a couple of large shopping bags.
And then he and the clerk filled those bags up with the envelopes in which Mike would find a check for his training prigram.
And Mike was surprised by the number of those envelopes and the number of checks inside those envelopes which made his reluctant agreement with Joe a very profitable venture.
So Mike was now very happy that he had agreed with Joe.
I don't recall the year in which Mike told us this story about this agreement , but that $150,000 may or may not have actually occured later on, but I don't belive that Joe was paying him that sum before Mike's "reluctant agreement".
I have heard that Joe's 'athlete sponsorship' topped out at $45,000/year around that time. (Maybe one of you more knowledgeable GetBiggers can confirm or deny that).
That was the first day of Mike's P.O. Box pick-up and there would be many more profitable P.O. visits to follow.
The above info came from the front end of the only horse in the race!
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I have yet to read most of the above comments, but here is the story that Mike personally told us concerning the income he received from Joe Weider.
I believe I mentioned this years ago on this Board, so I'll make it short.
Mike had a meeting with Joe about his 'wages'.
And Joe somehow 'countered' that instead of 'cash', he would include a full or half page ad in the magazine in which Mike could offer his training services.
Mike reluctantly agreed ..... but started writing.
And Weider ran the ad. (I have never seen this ad, but some of you GetBiggers may have and might be able to post it here.)
Months later Mike went to the Post Office to check out his P.O. Box which had a note on it asking him to talk to a postal clerk at the front desk.
Mike did that and the postal clerk asked, "Do you have a large bag?".
Mike did not have a large bag so he went next door and got a couple of large shopping bags.
And then he and the clerk filled those bags up with the envelopes in which Mike would find a check for his training prigram.
And Mike was surprised by the number of those envelopes and the number of checks inside those envelopes which made his reluctant agreement with Joe a very profitable venture.
So Mike was now very happy that he had agreed with Joe.
I don't recall the year in which Mike told us this story about this agreement , but that $150,000 may or may not have actually occured later on, but I don't belive that Joe was paying him that sum before Mike's "reluctant agreement".
I have heard that Joe's 'athlete sponsorship' topped out at $45,000/year around that time. (Maybe one of you more knowledgeable GetBiggers can confirm or deny that).
That was the first day of Mike's P.O. Box pick-up and there would be many more profitable P.O. visits to follow.
The above info came from the front end of the only horse in the race!
good post mr stunt movie, and you set a few morons straight on here. zane never had the appeal mentzer did and never will.
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I have yet to read most of the above comments, but here is the story that Mike personally told us concerning the income he received from Joe Weider.
I believe I mentioned this years ago on this Board, so I'll make it short.
Mike had a meeting with Joe about his 'wages'.
And Joe somehow 'countered' that instead of 'cash', he would include a full or half page ad in the magazine in which Mike could offer his training services.
Mike reluctantly agreed ..... but started writing.
And Weider ran the ad. (I have never seen this ad, but some of you GetBiggers may have and might be able to post it here.)
Months later Mike went to the Post Office to check out his P.O. Box which had a note on it asking him to talk to a postal clerk at the front desk.
Mike did that and the postal clerk asked, "Do you have a large bag?".
Mike did not have a large bag so he went next door and got a couple of large shopping bags.
And then he and the clerk filled those bags up with the envelopes in which Mike would find a check for his training prigram.
And Mike was surprised by the number of those envelopes and the number of checks inside those envelopes which made his reluctant agreement with Joe a very profitable venture.
So Mike was now very happy that he had agreed with Joe.
I don't recall the year in which Mike told us this story about this agreement , but that $150,000 may or may not have actually occured later on, but I don't belive that Joe was paying him that sum before Mike's "reluctant agreement".
I have heard that Joe's 'athlete sponsorship' topped out at $45,000/year around that time. (Maybe one of you more knowledgeable GetBiggers can confirm or deny that).
That was the first day of Mike's P.O. Box pick-up and there would be many more profitable P.O. visits to follow.
The above info came from the front end of the only horse in the race!
I wonder if my order was in that stack of envelopes! I was following Mentzer's articles very closely and was buying Weider's mag every month just to read Mentzer. As soon as I saw an advertisement for his course I ordered it immediately. I remember it well when it first came in. It came in a padded envelope and had a handwritten return address. I wonder if that was actually written by the man himself.
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good story, stunt!
this was a great picture, no swimmers physique on zane there, he looks pretty big IMO
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=646139.0;attach=762299;image)
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about zanes leg blaster though, one would think you can get the same kind of workout wearing a weigh vest, could you not?
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Zane, Arnold, and Franco, have all lost most of their large muscle size. Mere shadows of their former selves.
They were foolish not to use biceps supinator . It's never too late to get big as you have proved it .
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=146902.0;attach=163489;image)
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You mean stealing from Arthur Jones even though he used volume throughout his whole career? ::)
150K, my ass!
If that’s true, Mike must have had some bad habits.
Again, he never had Zane success or money.
Neither on the posing platform nor off it.
He’s a fantasy Mr. Olympia while Zane is a real Mr. Olympia.
The urine stories have been confirmed by many.
Also, his weird obsession with Dan Duchaine was bizarre.
Mentzer "stole" nothing from Arthur Jones. If you were around at the time Mentzer came on the scene he made it abundantly clear describing his journey into what he would later term HIT the influence Jones had on him. He described how he wasn't progressing and was getting discourage until he came across Casey Viator and Arthur Jones. He describe how Jones changed his life. He gave credit and quoted Jones often in his writings Those who erroneously state that Mike built his physique using volume before meeting Jones simply ignore the facts before your eyes. You see early pictures of Mike when he first started training with Jones and you see the progress he made while being with Jones.
And who are these "many" that confirmed Mike drank his own urine. Name them. They actually saw Mike piss into a bottle and drink it? Mike has been interviewed about this and he, himself, said it was just a made up story. Who should we believe, Mike or Duchaine who didn't get along with Mike? Even if he did drink his own urine, and many do thinking it may have some health benefits, so what? It tells us nothing about his character or the effectiveness of his training methodology.
And Mike did not die poor and living in a tiny apartment. Where do you guys get this? How do you know?
I lived in Redondo Beach at the time and around two miles from the Mentzers. Though I saw Ray around town way more than Mike ,and though I wasn't privy to their W2 forms, their apartment was not a tiny little dive. Even the apartment unit I was living in at the time was a three bedroom, two bath unit and had a bigger living room and kitchen than my house does now and was just walking distance to the beach. The Mentzer's place was much more up scale.
In all fairness, Mike did have some bad habits but that is well documented. His impact, legacy and influence on bodybuilding is arguable second only to Arnold. Before Mike, no one talked about intensity,recovery and progression (only the pump). There was no talk about localized recovery versus system recovery. It was just do more sets to bring up weak parts. Even the role of genetics was never discussed pr cpnsidered before Mike. We were led to believe that if we just followed the Weider principles and take the supps we all could build Mr. America physiques. It was Mike that said that what Arnold did wasn't as important as what Arnold was. That Arnold would have been Arnold even if he trained with rocks.
Compare how much Mentzer is discussed on boards with how often Zane is.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=646139.0;attach=762297;image)
I've been looking for something just like this! With a vest you are limited on the amount of weight you can use plus getting it off and on is a hassle. Does anybody know anything about this equipment? Is it light and portable enough to fit in a canvass bag and bring into a gym. I do this exact movement anyway because it's easy on the knees. I can't squat anymore and our gym got rid of the hack machine. It's only leg press now. I want to do a squating movement with weights standing up.
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good post mr stunt movie, and you set a few morons straight on here. zane never had the appeal mentzer did and never will.
Who did Mike ever beat? He couldn't beat an 80 Schwarzenegger. He quit like a bitch too.
Zane even beat Schwarzenegger.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=646139.0;attach=762297;image)
I've been looking for something just like this! With a vest you are limited on the amount of weight you can use plus getting it off and on is a hassle. Does anybody know anything about this equipment? Is it light and portable enough to fit in a canvass bag and bring into a gym. I do this exact movement anyway because it's easy on the knees. I can't squat anymore and our gym got rid of the hack machine. It's only leg press now. I want to do a squating movement with weights standing up.
what about just doing goblet squats with a dumbbell or kettlebell?
(http://www.g4physio.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Kettlebell-Goblet-Squat.png)
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what about just doing goblet squats with a dumbbell or kettlebell?
(http://www.g4physio.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Kettlebell-Goblet-Squat.png)
Not even close. If that was the case I'd do front squats. The whole point of the movement with the Zane equipment is holding yourself upright by grabbing on to something.
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i dont see the beneficial difference
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Zane, Arnold, and Franco, have all lost most of their large muscle size. Mere shadows of their former selves.
looks who is talking ::)
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Zane, Arnold, and Franco, have all lost most of their large muscle size. Mere shadows of their former selves.
Lol. They would all school you
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being a shadow of ones former self, 50 years later is to be expected is it not
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They were foolish not to use biceps supinator . It's never too late to get big as you have proved it .
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=146902.0;attach=163489;image)
15 yo photo , 15kg of FAT is missing
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i dont see the beneficial difference
Stress on the knees. By sitting back the knee angle isn't as sharp. Look at the position Zane is in. If he wasn't holding on to anything
he would fall backwards.
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Stress on the knees. By sitting back the knee angle isn't as sharp. Look at the position Zane is in. If he wasn't holding on to anything
he would fall backwards.
its still for sale
https://www.frankzane.com/shop/frank-zanes-leg-blaster/
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its still for sale
https://www.frankzane.com/shop/frank-zanes-leg-blaster/
$900! :o
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$900! :o
maybe he accept bitcoins
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I spent a day putting a photo of Frank on a beach here in Australia. I sent a copy to Frank. He returned it unopened saying he didn't accept mail from people he didn't know! He was at my home in Manly years ago with Robert Nailon. Guy is a jerk.
Robert Nailon, is that the guy who's son said you were a troublemaker and full of shit?
J
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Stress on the knees. By sitting back the knee angle isn't as sharp. Look at the position Zane is in. If he wasn't holding on to anything
he would fall backwards.
correct. also more direct stress on the quads, less on the glutes hammies. The benefits of a Sissy squat with more weight.
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;D zane for the win.
Frank bought the Moore Leg Blaster company and modified its design and then began to sell it.
J
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Not even close. If that was the case I'd do front squats. The whole point of the movement with the Zane equipment is holding yourself upright by grabbing on to something.
The moment you grab on to something to do squats .... Sorry , don't expect the same results as just doing the exercise with just legs.
Everyone one that has gotten old or injured has tried and failed.
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The moment you grab on to something to do squats .... Sorry , don't expect the same results as just doing the exercise with just legs.
Everyone one that has gotten old or injured has tried and failed.
are you old and failed?
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correct. also more direct stress on the quads, less on the glutes hammies. The benefits of a Sissy squat with more weight.
Like a front squat or goblet squat.
The Leg blaster is a good thing but way too expensive.
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Not even close. If that was the case I'd do front squats. The whole point of the movement with the Zane equipment is holding yourself upright by grabbing on to something.
Safety Squat Bar. you can hold on to something if you want.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=646139.0;attach=762297;image)
I've been looking for something just like this! With a vest you are limited on the amount of weight you can use plus getting it off and on is a hassle. Does anybody know anything about this equipment? Is it light and portable enough to fit in a canvass bag and bring into a gym. I do this exact movement anyway because it's easy on the knees. I can't squat anymore and our gym got rid of the hack machine. It's only leg press now. I want to do a squating movement with weights standing up.
I've seen it in person, it's substantial, but you could bring it around no problem.
Other things you might try -
Belt Squats -
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/PldcPTOACm4/hqdefault.jpg).
Also I saw this harness rig that seems like it was made with the idea to use it with low cable crossover machines -
http://fitnessforallinc.com/torque-squath/ .
Not sure if it's still made, but it seems like a shoemaker could make similar is given hooks, webbing, and an idea.
and their's always a Zercher harness -
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Also Trap Bar Deadlifts where you stand on blocks to lengthen the ROM will bring in a lot of quad, step ups too.
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The moment you grab on to something to do squats .... Sorry , don't expect the same results as just doing the exercise with just legs.
Everyone one that has gotten old or injured has tried and failed.
Failed at what?
And saying will not get the same results is like saying you won't get the same results doing leg press as you would squats. OK. So what does that mean? Don't do leg press? Don't do Squat? Do both? I do that type of movement precisely because I don't want to get the same results that I do with squats which is a sore back and sore knees. I'm over 6 ft tall and nearly 60 years old.
I currently do that same movement Zane is doing except without the weights because I don't have a practical way of adding resistance. I do them right after I do a set of leg press to failure so at least my quads are already fatigued but still I have to do over 20 reps before it starts to get difficult. Holding on to something keeps my upper body perpendicular to the ground so I don't have to bend over like with a squat. Also, my shins are nearly perpendicular to the ground as well and I don't get that sharp angle where your knees go past the line of your toes. If I tried to do that without holding on to something I would fall backward.
It would be nice if I could do full squats with a barbell resting on my spine. I did so for decades. Now, as I get older I have to make do. Sometimes the choice is either that or nothing. The Zane apparatus would be ideal for someone like me. There is a reason why he choose that particular movement to design a piece of equipment around. It is a marked improvement for someone like me and not a failure.
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its still for sale
https://www.frankzane.com/shop/frank-zanes-leg-blaster/
Doesn't ship to Hawaii. And if he has indeed sold a 100 of those at around $900 a piece than that's nearly a million in sales. Good for him. Now if only I can find a gym that has one.
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I've seen it in person, it's substantial, but you could bring it around no problem.
Other things you might try -
Belt Squats -
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/PldcPTOACm4/hqdefault.jpg).
Also I saw this harness rig that seems like it was made with the idea to use it with low cable crossover machines -
http://fitnessforallinc.com/torque-squath/ .
Not sure if it's still made, but it seems like a shoemaker could make similar is given hooks, webbing, and an idea.
and their's always a Zercher harness -
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Also Trap Bar Deadlifts where you stand on blocks to lengthen the ROM will bring in a lot of quad, step ups too.
No way I could bring that in a gym. I thought it was just the upper body attachment but you need the platform as well. There's nothing in the gym that I can attach that to.
I can already see the problem with that Z harness. The weight position is too far forward from you upper body and will pull you forward as you squat. I can see him fighting that forward pull as he squats. Besides, front squats are a lot harder in every way than regular squats and I can't even do that.
I've tried using those belts guys use for dips and pull ups but it doesn't allow me to squat deep enough.
Trying to set up blocks on each side is just not practical in my always crowded public gym. I once tried to put that harness around my neck instead of my waist but that was a disaster. I think I made it on to YouTube on one of those vids where they show how many morons there are in the gym doing stupid shit.
The trap bar, again, I can't squat deep enough and it's not the same with the resistance on your grip instead of on your upper body.
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I bought a used Zane leg blaster off of Craigslist, great piece of equipment, I'm probably gonna set it up in Ed Ryan's gym in Glenolden pa, if anyone wants to try one out
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I bought a used Zane leg blaster off of Craigslist, great piece of equipment, I'm probably gonna set it up in Ed Ryan's gym in Glenolden pa, if anyone wants to try one out
How much did you pay for it and how much did it cost to ship?
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Doesn't ship to Hawaii. And if he has indeed sold a 100 of those at around $900 a piece than that's nearly a million in sales. Good for him. Now if only I can find a gym that has one.
Um...that's 90k.
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Um...that's 90k.
LOL! Got me on this one! I ran out of fingers to count.
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good post mr stunt movie, and you set a few morons straight on here. zane never had the appeal mentzer did and never will.
Yeah, one is a living legend who is a three time Mr. Olympia and the other is a dead guy who spent most of his adult life complaining about a contest he had no chance of winning.
It wasn't like he came in second place.
He was as delusional as his fans seemingly continue to be.
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Mentzer "stole" nothing from Arthur Jones. If you were around at the time Mentzer came on the scene he made it abundantly clear describing his journey into what he would later term HIT the influence Jones had on him. He described how he wasn't progressing and was getting discourage until he came across Casey Viator and Arthur Jones. He describe how Jones changed his life. He gave credit and quoted Jones often in his writings Those who erroneously state that Mike built his physique using volume before meeting Jones simply ignore the facts before your eyes. You see early pictures of Mike when he first started training with Jones and you see the progress he made while being with Jones.
Are you saying that Mike didn't act like he invented HIT?
Come on.
Even Frederick Hatfield used to make fun of him over it. (RIP Dr. Squat).
And Mike did not die poor and living in a tiny apartment. Where do you guys get this? How do you know?
I lived in Redondo Beach at the time and around two miles from the Mentzers. Though I saw Ray around town way more than Mike ,and though I wasn't privy to their W2 forms, their apartment was not a tiny little dive. Even the apartment unit I was living in at the time was a three bedroom, two bath unit and had a bigger living room and kitchen than my house does now and was just walking distance to the beach. The Mentzer's place was much more up scale.
Why would he need his brother to live there and help with the rent?
We heterosexuals have these things called women.
If you need help with the bills, get a live-in girlfriend. ::)
As for the quality of the abode, well, neither of us can truly say.
In all fairness, Mike did have some bad habits but that is well documented. His impact, legacy and influence on bodybuilding is arguable second only to Arnold. Before Mike, no one talked about intensity,recovery and progression (only the pump). There was no talk about localized recovery versus system recovery. It was just do more sets to bring up weak parts. Even the role of genetics was never discussed pr cpnsidered before Mike. We were led to believe that if we just followed the Weider principles and take the supps we all could build Mr. America physiques. It was Mike that said that what Arnold did wasn't as important as what Arnold was. That Arnold would have been Arnold even if he trained with rocks.
Compare how much Mentzer is discussed on boards with how often Zane is.
One can be a topic of discussion. It doesn't automatically mean agreement. Most don't agree with HIT.
And this is coming from a guy who believes in lower volume (no. of exercises/sets/frequency) and more rest.
I think most would rather be Zane and have had his life rather than Mentzer's.
And let us not forget that he still has life.
He didn't destroy his organs with steroids and still has three Sandow statues.
Mike has...
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Are you saying that Mike didn't act like he invented HIT?
Come on.
Even Frederick Hatfield used to make fun of him over it. (RIP Dr. Squat).
Yes. Come on.
Like everybody, they learn from others and place their own unique stamp on it. Like Dante's Doggcrap training, Trevor Smith's "Beyond failure", Jason Huh's partial reps training that use to be called "burns" or "partials"... the list goes on
Why would he need his brother to live there and help with the rent?
What makes you think he "needed" his brother to live with him? I've lived with others but not because I needed to. Cracks me up how so many people act like they know so much about his personal life and circumstances.
We heterosexuals have these things called women.
If you need help with the bills, get a live-in girlfriend. ::)
What kind of stupid comment is that? Mike had a girl friend for years. Not everybody wants
to live with their girl friend. Some don't even like living with their wife anymore.
As for the quality of the abode, well, neither of us can truly say.
I can. I saw it. So have many others. It was not a place for the poor.
One can be a topic of discussion. It doesn't automatically mean agreement. Most don't agree with HIT.
And this is coming from a guy who believes in lower volume (no. of exercises/sets/frequency) and more rest.
Yet Mike influence their training whether they know it or not. The intensity variables, the importance of recovery, that just doing more sets or training more often means more progress. Even Coleman and Yates reduce their training to just 4 times per week. Even you reduced your training volume directly or indirectly because of Mike whether you want to admit it or not.
I think most would rather be Zane and have had his life rather than Mentzer's.
That has nothing to do with the influence he had on bodybuilding or the validity of HIT.
And let us not forget that he still has life.
He didn't destroy his organs with steroids and still has three Sandow statues.
Mike has...
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Are you saying that Mike didn't act like he invented HIT?
Come on.
Even Frederick Hatfield used to make fun of him over it. (RIP Dr. Squat).
Why would he need his brother to live there and help with the rent?
We heterosexuals have these things called women.
If you need help with the bills, get a live-in girlfriend. ::)
As for the quality of the abode, well, neither of us can truly say.
One can be a topic of discussion. It doesn't automatically mean agreement. Most don't agree with HIT.
And this is coming from a guy who believes in lower volume (no. of exercises/sets/frequency) and more rest.
I think most would rather be Zane and have had his life rather than Mentzer's.
And let us not forget that he still has life.
He didn't destroy his organs with steroids and still has three Sandow statues.
Mike has...
I'm pretty sure Zane fucked up this thyroid gland abusing T3 and is on it for life...so you are full of shit.
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I'm pretty sure Zane fucked up this thyroid gland abusing T3 and is on it for life...so you are full of shit.
How am I full of shit, cuck? ???
He's alive and Menter is dead. ::)
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How am I full of shit, cuck? ???
He's alive and Menter is dead. ::)
You are strangely trying to equate his value to the way in which he met his demise, it's pretty pathetic.
The fact that he is dead does not take away anything from his contribution to training theory.
Guess what? 100 percent of people, fucking die...Do you think yourself and Zane are somehow going to keep on going indefinitely? Or that it's some sort of race?
How old are you? 15? Do you think you are invincible or something?
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About Mike and Ray helping each other. When Ray had a gym he helped Mike. Ray was doing well in LA having sore back clinics plus a gym. Things went sour when he required dialysis. Mike's business picked up and he looked after Ray near the end. That is what brothers do.
Mike was a philosopher. Plain and simple. So his writings re training are superb and remain a major contribution to training theory.
Somewhat surprising to find out that Frank didn't really have any apparatus that was original. Just a variation of a well-known device.
Frank damaged his shoulders and in old age suffered because of that damage.
Everyone eventually falls apart physically near the end! Some more than others.
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About Mike and Ray helping each other. When Ray had a gym he helped Mike. Ray was doing well in LA having sore back clinics plus a gym. Things went sour when he required dialysis. Mike's business picked up and he looked after Ray near the end. That is what brothers do.
Mike was a philosopher. Plain and simple. So his writings re training are superb and remain a major contribution to training theory.
Somewhat surprising to find out that Frank didn't really have any apparatus that was original. Just a variation of a well-known device.
Frank damaged his shoulders and in old age suffered because of that damage.
Everyone eventually falls apart physically near the end! Some more than others.
Great post, Vince!
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Everyone eventually falls apart physically near the end! Some more than others.
;D ;D ;D
:D :D :D
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Yes. Come on.
Like everybody, they learn from others and place their own unique stamp on it. Like Dante's Doggcrap training, Trevor Smith's "Beyond failure", Jason Huh's partial reps training that use to be called "burns" or "partials"... the list goes on
What makes you think he "needed" his brother to live with him? I've lived with others but not because I needed to. Cracks me up how so many people act like they know so much about his personal life and circumstances.
What kind of stupid comment is that? Mike had a girl friend for years. Not everybody wants
to live with their girl friend. Some don't even like living with their wife anymore.
I can. I saw it. So have many others. It was not a place for the poor.
Yet Mike influence their training whether they know it or not. The intensity variables, the importance of recovery, that just doing more sets or training more often means more progress. Even Coleman and Yates reduce their training to just 4 times per week. Even you reduced your training volume directly or indirectly because of Mike whether you want to admit it or not.
That has nothing to do with the influence he had on bodybuilding or the validity of HIT.
I think we have to agree to disagree.
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You are strangely trying to equate his value to the way in which he met his demise, it's pretty pathetic.
The fact that he is dead does not take away anything from his contribution to training theory.
His contribution is debatable.
It is far from the gospel. ::)
But I understand that his fans don't have much to cling to.
Guess what? 100 percent of people, fucking die...Do you think yourself and Zane are somehow going to keep on going indefinitely? Or that it's some sort of race?
He destroyed his body and health with the abuse of steroids and God knows what else.
And he never even got the goal - a Sandow.
How old are you? 15? Do you think you are invincible or something?
Not 15 nor invisible.
But I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.
I'm saying that Zane is a three time Mr. Olympia and is still alive.
Mentzer is a zero time Mr. Olympia and is still dead.
I'd say Zane wins.
Facts hurt.
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His contribution is debatable.
It is far from the gospel. ::)
But I understand that his fans don't have much to cling to.
He destroyed his body and health with the abuse of steroids and God knows what else.
And he never even got the goal - a Sandow.
Not 15 nor invisible.
But I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.
I'm saying that Zane is a three time Mr. Olympia and is still alive.
Mentzer is a zero time Mr. Olympia and is still dead.
I'd say Zane wins.
Facts hurt.
He's listed as the winner of the 1979 Mr Olympia Heavyweight class. That made him the best big guy in the world that year. You are acting like he is a nobody. With a perfect score too. He lost the overall, probably based on Zane's superior presentation, yet he is still a champion. I'm sure I've seen a photograph of him with his Sandow for that win too. I'll have to dig out his books later on as I'm sure of it.
The point is, ALL competitive bodybuilders abuse drugs. That extends to most competitive sports, hate to break it to you.
As I mentioned previously, Zane wrecked his thyroid, one of the most crucial glands for wellness, abusing drugs. He is on replacement therapy for life. Does that make his achievements any less in your eyes? No, it doesn't does it? Because you are cherry picking the facts to suit your argument.
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I'm sure I've seen a photograph of him with his Sandow for that win too. I'll have to dig out his books later on as I'm sure of it.
Mega BS , no Sandows 4 class winners .
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Mega BS , no Sandows 4 class winners .
I'm probably imagining it, it has been known! Point is, he is a champion.
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He's listed as the winner of the 1979 Mr Olympia Heavyweight class. That made him the best big guy in the world that year. You are acting like he is a nobody. With a perfect score too. He lost the overall, probably based on Zane's superior presentation, yet he is still a champion. I'm sure I've seen a photograph of him with his Sandow for that win too. I'll have to dig out his books later on as I'm sure of it.
The point is, ALL competitive bodybuilders abuse drugs. That extends to most competitive sports, hate to break it to you.
As I mentioned previously, Zane wrecked his thyroid, one of the most crucial glands for wellness, abusing drugs. He is on replacement therapy for life. Does that make his achievements any less in your eyes? No, it doesn't does it? Because you are cherry picking the facts to suit your argument.
Just curious, how do you know Frank "wrecked" his thyroid and is on replacement therapy for life?
J
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Just curious, how do you know Frank "wrecked" his thyroid and is on replacement therapy for life?
J
I don't know first hand of course. From what I remember, I read it in an article (pretty sure it was on Bodybuilding.com) some years back, discussing the topic of T3. Seen it mentioned a number of times on forums, but that isn't proof of course. Lots of crap is published admittedly, but it holds some water, considering the fact it was mentioned in an article on a large platform like Bodybuilding.com.
Maybe some of the old timers can chime in to confirm?
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I don't know first hand of course. From what I remember, I read it in an article (pretty sure it was on Bodybuilding.com) some years back, discussing the topic of T3. Seen it mentioned a number of times on forums, but that isn't proof of course. Lots of crap is published admittedly, but it holds some water, considering the fact it was mentioned in an article on a large platform like Bodybuilding.com.
Maybe some of the old timers can chime in to confirm?
no old timers around here , steroids kill them all :P
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There's only one Zane. There were two Mentzers. ;)
I think Zane's physique is superb but then so too, in its own way was Mike's. In the 1980 O, I have Arnold in 1st and as for 2nd/3rd in my estimation it could have gone either way with Mike and Frank.
Dicksuckerson should never have been allowed on the dais.
Suppositions about Zane's health are just that. Mike of course is dead, so in that case Zane wins. Again. I like both gentlemen's physiques and would prefer either to what is up there these days, even among the so-called "Classic Physique" competitors.
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Happy belated birthday to the most ideal physical Mr.Olympia. Zane turned 76 yesterday.
Let's wait and see if there's a magazine celebrating Zane with pullout poster and never before seen pictures.
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Um...that's 90k.
Pffft... Math ;D
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Frank used desiccated thyroid.
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Happy belated birthday to the most ideal physical Mr.Olympia. Zane turned 76 yesterday.
Let's wait and see if there's a magazine celebrating Zane with pullout poster and never before seen pictures.
I heard his birthday wish was that Vince Basil dies a painful, prolonged, slow death. Just kidding, he doesn’t know who Vince is.
J
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I thought Zane fans would appreciate this. A full hour of Zane talking about his life. Looks pretty healthy here. He claims totally natural, not even TRT. Says his T is over 500 just from natural supplements like fenugreek, etc
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I heard his birthday wish was that Vince Basil painful, prolonged slow death. Just kidding, he doesn’t know who Vince is.
J
Mr.Zane 76yo & slim, basil 76 & FAT ;D
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Mr.Zane 76yo & slim, basil 76 & FAT ;D
Fat is the new slim.
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Zane's back
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I always aspired to look like Frank,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,fell just a bit short though. LOL :)
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I always aspired to look like Frank,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,fell just a bit short though. LOL :)
Yea, well when I last saw him at the Olympia Expo 2016, he looked like a short little old man who was stone deaf. That is a look to aspire to.
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i always aspired to play the harmonica like frank
and i did, it sounds horrible
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Yea, well when I last saw him at the Olympia Expo 2016, he looked like a short little old man who was stone deaf. That is a look to aspire to.
He was what, 74 at that time? He looks pretty good and not only for his age. I have seen plenty of men at half his age that look like toilet boas.
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Yea, well when I last saw him at the Olympia Expo 2016, he looked like a short little old man who was stone deaf. That is a look to aspire to.
Frank deteriorated in recent years. Quite a surprise to me because I thought he tried to keep his physique in reasonable shape.
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Supposedly he isn’t in great health right now not sure what the issue is...
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I train in a gym with this 74 year old who is in amazing shape. I know he is a huge exception to the masses. Trains naturally. Has a young man's voice and trains really hard. Physically, facially, and everything else you wouldn't know this guy is over 50. Just a hard working freak of nature. Lifts really hard with heavy weights.
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[ FHD ] Frank Zane 1977 Mr. Olympia Posing ;D
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Frank deteriorated in recent years. Quite a surprise to me because I thought he tried to keep his physique in reasonable shape.
THE IRONY. ;D
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Without steroids in his prime he would probably be 165lbs to 170lbs ripped. Having said that he is one of the greatest pro steroid guys of all time. Don't forget he competed in 1980 weighing 183 at 5'9". He looked amazing.
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I always one of his poses looked a bit gay. The one where he kind of twists his knee in like a girl. But yes, good physique and example of steroids only (+diuretics for posing).
Would be interesting to see some Zyzz / Zane side by side comparisons if anyone can post.
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Without steroids in his prime he would probably be 145lbs to 150lbs ripped.
FIXED
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in another post someone said he would eat just 12 oz of steak pre-contest and that was it ?
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I always one of his poses looked a bit gay. The one where he kind of twists his knee in like a girl. But yes, good physique and example of steroids only (+diuretics for posing).
Would be interesting to see some Zyzz / Zane side by side comparisons if anyone can post.
A raping for Zane not even close.
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[ FHD ] Frank Zane 1977 Mr. Olympia Posing ;D
Zane is the most popular bodybuilder on this channel ;D
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Frank deteriorated in recent years. Quite a surprise to me because I thought he tried to keep his physique in reasonable shape.
Decades of drug use will do that. He is really old now though so I will give him a break for that.
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Decades of drug use will do that. He is really old now though so I will give him a break for that.
You think you will look better at that age? The problem is that Zane stopped taking drugs. Stallone is the same age as Zane but still injecting and still kicking ass.
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[ FHD ] Frank Zane 1977 Mr. Olympia Posing ;D
[ 4K UHD ] Frank Zane's Backyard Posing in 1972 ;D
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Yea, well when I last saw him at the Olympia Expo 2016, he looked like a short little old man who was stone deaf. That is a look to aspire to.
That means that I`ve exceeded my expectations !! LOL :D
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Is there a bodybuilder that Matt hasn't dated / interrogated...
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You think you will look better at that age? The problem is that Zane stopped taking drugs. Stallone is the same age as Zane but still injecting and still kicking ass.
Judging by what I look like now, yes, if I don't drop dead from a heart attack or cancer.
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For a while there in the late 70s Zane's type of physique became the ideal.
He really knew how to present himself in the best possible way.
A real pro.
Robby Robinson was better.
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I spent a day putting a photo of Frank on a beach here in Australia. I sent a copy to Frank. He returned it unopened saying he didn't accept mail from people he didn't know! He was at my home in Manly years ago with Robert Nailon. Guy is a jerk.
So your claim of him being overrated has all to do with him not being nice to you than it does with his actual physique. Okay... ::)
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You think you will look better at that age? The problem is that Zane stopped taking drugs. Stallone is the same age as Zane but still injecting and still kicking ass.
Stallone is 4 years younger than Zane.
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Without steroids in his prime he would probably be 165lbs to 170lbs ripped. Having said that he is one of the greatest pro steroid guys of all time. Don't forget he competed in 1980 weighing 183 at 5'9". He looked amazing.
More like 145 pounds at best without steroids.
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[ FHD ] Frank Zane 1977 Mr. Olympia Posing ;D
[ 4K UHD ] Frank Zane's Backyard Posing in 1972 ;D
[ FHD ] Frank Zane 1979 Mr. Olympia Posing ;D
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More like 145 pounds at best without steroids.
Agreed.
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[ FHD ] Frank Zane 1977 Mr. Olympia Posing ;D
[ 4K UHD ] Frank Zane's Backyard Posing in 1972 ;D
[ FHD ] Frank Zane 1979 Mr. Olympia Posing ;D
[ FHD ] Frank Zane - 1970 Mr Universe ;D
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;D zane for the win.
Magic Circle from Peary Rader (I'm sure he stole it from someone else)
I used to love those old ironman magazines that were smaller than a regular magazine, mostly in black and white text and photos and kind of written like a newsletter
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As gay as the day is long.
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More like 145 pounds at best without steroids.
155.5 pounds without steroids
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Magic Circle from Peary Rader (I'm sure he stole it from someone else)
I used to love those old ironman magazines that were smaller than a regular magazine, mostly in black and white text and photos and kind of written like a newsletter
Great magazine.....I used to call it the bible of bodybuilding.
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That pic right there IS bodybuilding. ^^
Not over-rated at all. Especially compared to the crap-fest known as BB today.
Vince you looked very good in your Mr. Canada pics, but you cant touch that.
I think Frank is more aloof than ignorant. That is why he lead (still leads) a quiet home life while still being successful.
Nothing wrong w/ that.
Most of the guys training in the sixties and seventies wanted to go to Golds Gym and train with the champs there. I ended up in Australia and not California so never got highly motivated to train that hard. Who knows what I might have done had I been in LA and had access to everything those guys were doing and using? I doubt I would have risked my health just to win a big bodybuilding title.
Here is a composite photo showing Frank as he won a Mr Olympia and me in 1975 two weeks out from a Mr Australia contest.
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Most of the guys training in the sixties and seventies wanted to go to Golds Gym and train with the champs there. I ended up in Australia and not California so never got highly motivated to train that hard. Who knows what I might have done had I been in LA and had access to everything those guys were doing and using? I doubt I would have risked my health just to win a big bodybuilding title.
Here is a composite photo showing Frank as he won a Mr Olympia and me in 1975 two weeks out from a Mr Australia contest.
How is your life in Fantasyland?
Joke aside, if you are honest about you only trying Dianabol once, and built that physique mostly naturally, you could really achieve much more than Mr. Canada, if you juiced like other bbing greats.
I believe that you chose the right path...
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How is your life in Fantasyland?
Joke aside, if you are honest about you only trying Dianabol once, and built that physique mostly naturally, you could really achieve much more than Mr. Canada, if you juiced like other bbing greats.
I believe that you chose the right path...
I used Dianabol in 1970 then in 1975. Two tablets each day. Never tried anything else.
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I used Dianabol in 1970 then in 1975. Two tablets each day. Never tried anything else.
looking back on your decision, do you ever wonder what 3 tabs would have done? or 200mg of deca per week? that amount was not going to harm you at all.... it was before my time, but it seems like you old timers were a little scared of gear vs guys today... thats not a bad thing at all in my book... but what stopped you??
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looking back on your decision, do you ever wonder what 3 tabs would have done? or 200mg of deca per week? that amount was not going to harm you at all.... it was before my time, but it seems like you old timers were a little scared of gear vs guys today... thats not a bad thing at all in my book... but what stopped you??
I met Dr Michael Walczak in 1970 at English Bay Beach in Vancouver. I knew that the top guys were taking Deca Durabolin. We talked about bodybuilding and he said I could be a Mr Universe within 6 months if I came to LA and was supervised doing anabolic steroids. I invited Michael to my place for dinner but when he found out I was married I never saw him again! According to him lots of the top guys were active in the gay scene in Los Angeles. I guess he should know.
I honestly hate needles so Deca wasn't at all acceptable. In those days it wasn't clear if there were side effects. Tom Sansone died at a relatively young age and that scared most of us. Well, we never did find out the cause of his passing but you know how we assume that steroids might be involved in cancers for example. I suppose the fearless guys from that era were the ones who ended up winning most of the big titles. I have to smile now when it is obvious those titles don't mean much any more. Well time passes and those days are long gone.
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imagine what zane could have done if he had used the suplinator.. :o :o :o :o :o the sky's the limit.
Why bother with that? Zane already endorsed the Torso Trak.
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:D ;D
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Magic Circle from Peary Rader (I'm sure he stole it from someone else)
I used to love those old ironman magazines that were smaller than a regular magazine, mostly in black and white text and photos and kind of written like a newsletter
I have huge collection of the Old Ironman. Best bodybuilding magazine ever. Even the ads are interesting.
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;) :D ;D
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;) :D ;D
When you compare this 1982 top three to the top three in 1975 none of these guys had the pecs of Arnold, Lou, or Nubret. It's like after Franco in 76 chest development took a huge drop.
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Most of the guys training in the sixties and seventies wanted to go to Golds Gym and train with the champs there. I ended up in Australia and not California so never got highly motivated to train that hard. Who knows what I might have done had I been in LA and had access to everything those guys were doing and using? I doubt I would have risked my health just to win a big bodybuilding title.
Here is a composite photo showing Frank as he won a Mr Olympia and me in 1975 two weeks out from a Mr Australia contest.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=646139.0;attach=1288827;image)
Great physique, Vince. No homo.