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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: funk51 on August 05, 2018, 06:38:18 AM
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2018 and steve reeves at a similar age.
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Jay look great,Reeves does too but I prefer jays look here.
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Still running 750 a week and we wont even comment on a 45 year old man wearing his hat backwards.
J
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Reeves was never really huge. Competed around 200-210 at 6'1"
He competed natural.
Check out his Hercules movies of which he made two. He wasn't really big in the sense of drug era bodybuilders.
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Still running 750 a week and we wont even comment on a 45 year old man wearing his hat backwards.
J
That latter point is irrelevant. He looks great.
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looks a hell of a lot better than when he was competing
wow its almost as if these guys look better with less drugs!! almost right!! ;)
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looks a hell of a lot better than when he was competing
wow its almost as if these guys look better with less drugs!! almost right!! ;)
Definitely looks better.
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Cutler looks better without the extra weight but he's no Steve Reeves. Good for Jay having lost the extra weight but I would much rather look like prime Steve Reeves than Jay Cutler at any weight/condition.
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I thought wearing your hat backwards makes you a badass.
Bit like having tribal tattoos.
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2018 and steve reeves at a similar age.
Not taking anything from them both. Jay is a great guy so was Reeves.
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He's just a kid.
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if steve used a small dose of test+gh and pepper in some anavar he would look out of this world at 45.
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Cutler looks better without the extra weight but he's no Steve Reeves. Good for Jay having lost the extra weight but I would much rather look like prime Steve Reeves than Jay Cutler at any weight/condition.
If anything he's GAINED weight and is full on back on the gas. The hat looks awful and 20 years late.
This is what he looked like a short while ago. Biceps still full of oil.
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(https://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2016/01/0f889ec8a5074dd1ce108814580ad127-1.jpg)
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reeves at 33 years old as goliath.
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reeves looked better, more appealing jay still cant give up juicking hard, still has no veins in his biceps, a big bloated turd
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If anything he's GAINED weight and is full on back on the gas. The hat looks awful and 20 years late.
This is what he looked like a short while ago. Biceps still full of oil.
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(https://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2016/01/0f889ec8a5074dd1ce108814580ad127-1.jpg)
kwon your being to easy on jay he is a big oiled filled bloated turd still packing that 50 inch waist and hitting the gear hard.
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Give Jay props for not covering himself with tats.
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kwon your being to easy on jay he is a big oiled filled bloated turd still packing that 50 inch waist and hitting the gear hard.
Thought you were addressing me first!
I've always gone easy on Jay.
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He looks good
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reeves looked better, more appealing jay still cant give up juicking hard, still has no veins in his biceps, a big bloated turd
I don't really trash him ever because he didn't come off as a jerk in his videos and has a surprisingly calm demeanor even when he's being attacked. His physique is unfortunate, especially the way his forearms melted, but there's worse guys out there and back in the 2000s he gave Ronnie on a run for his money.
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Looks great especially in comparison to his former competition.
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Still running 750 a week and we wont even comment on a 45 year old man wearing his hat backwards.
J
it's quiet normal to see bodybuilders in their 40's living the same lifestyle they lived when they were in their 20's or even in their teens ..... guys like Lee priest ,Jay Gutler, Kai etc they all dress and act like teenagers still trying to impress people on social media 24/7 ...even Levroneeee mid 50's with the sleeveless hoodie and juiced to the max .
Bodybuilders from the Ironage had a life outside BB past their prime , business ,family, health ,other goals etc.... So, Too see a mid 40 year old Reeves looking ln shape in the 1970's or Zane in the late 80's was quiet rare .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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it's quiet normal to see bodybuilders in their 40's living the same lifestyle they lived when they were in their 20's or even in their teens ..... guys like Lee priest ,Jay Gutler, Kai etc they all dress and act like teenagers still trying to impress people on social media 24/7 ...even Levroneeee mid 50's with the sleeveless hoodie and juiced to the max .
Bodybuilders from the Ironage had a life outside BB past their prime , business ,family, health ,other goals etc.... So, Too see a mid 40 year old Reeves looking ln shape in the 1970's or Zane in the late 80's was quiet rare .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
That behavior occurs in almost every man once he starts feeling old. For some guys, it's the thirties; for others, the fifties and still others later still.
But what those guys all have in common is that they want to feel young forever. They remind me of that guy in his late thirties with deep laugh lines and a smoker's cough who would dress in football jerseys, baggy jeans, a beanie hat and designer shades and would always go to the 18-25 clubs to fit in with the people there, giving props left and right as he walks into the club and feels superior.
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Reeves looks unreal in this clip
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it's quiet normal to see bodybuilders in their 40's living the same lifestyle they lived when they were in their 20's or even in their teens ..... guys like Lee priest ,Jay Gutler, Kai etc they all dress and act like teenagers still trying to impress people on social media 24/7 ...even Levroneeee mid 50's with the sleeveless hoodie and juiced to the max .
Bodybuilders from the Ironage had a life outside BB past their prime , business ,family, health ,other goals etc.... So, Too see a mid 40 year old Reeves looking ln shape in the 1970's or Zane in the late 80's was quiet rare .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
pet shop you are right jay still injects oil into his shitty biceps and takes pro level doses. probably wears thongs as well, and lets his gf peg him in the ass like the schmoes did to relive the good ole days
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reeves at 33 years old as goliath.
movie beard of peace.
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Cutler looks good there. Looks like his waist came down a little. He still has that bloofy look in his arms and delts that I don't like. He has had some injuries along the way, but overall seems pretty healthy. Good for him.
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Second page and nobody can see the photoshop around Jay's midsection.
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Second page and nobody can see the photoshop around Jay's midsection.
Something seemed off but I didn't "zoom in".
Reeves looks way better when taking "looking good" into the equation. I think he could be a bit more muscular. On the other hand, Jay on his own is, relative to the niche, looking outstanding. For a former pro he really has made the most of it.
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I fear for Jay's health.
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The pic looks morphed. And his arms have weird shape, biceps and forearms. Like tears or palumboism.
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movie beard of peace.
funny you should mention that.. guys would grow beards for their hercules roles than shave them off soon after... when they were called back weeks later to redo scenes they would have to put fake beards on them..
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funny you should mention that.. guys would grow beards for their hercules roles than shave them off soon after... when they were called back weeks later to redo scenes they would have to put fake beards on them..
Steve Reeves did mention he wore a fake beard in parts of filming.
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Reeves looks like a man and Jay looks like a wigger, pathetic for a guy his age
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Jay without the backwards cap 🧢
Looks a far better physique at 45.
Though I somehow doubt Jay would compare himself to reeves.
He looks very good as a retired Mr.O
Not withstanding what he likey used (abused- some may say) to
Achieve winning the Mr.O
For different era’s both look well.
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Reeves looks like a man and Jay looks like a wigger, pathetic for a guy his age
ha ha very true, i bet steeve got way more pussy than jay as well, steeve looks way better, jay is drugs and oil, and sucks cock
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Steve Reeves
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Last one.
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That's genetics - if you or I had the exact same bodyfat composition of Reeves, we'd still look like shit next to him :'(
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ha ha very true, i bet steeve got way more pussy than jay as well, steeve looks way better, jay is drugs and oil, and sucks cock
Sadly as we’ve seen through the years plenty of good looking hollyweird film
star men sucked cock.
Likely as much chance Steve did as Jay.
I’d like to think neither of them did.
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While in the film phase of his career, Steve Reeves said he only trained about one month a year but ate well.
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Jay is a great guy, always takes the time with people despite having attention everywhere he goes.
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Genetics is important! Steve's mother was once interviewed by one of the newspapers in Oakland, California before Steve became famous outside of the Bay Area and she claimed that her son never had a cold nor a cavity.
I worked with Steve a few years before he passed away ..... and even then he looked somewhat like a college athlete and would often comment about how bad he felt about the involvement of steroids with present day bodybuilders.
I also knew Steve before he became famous but he was much older than myself and he was somewht considered to be a Bay Area hero among those who lifted heavy things and he observed while I did some heavy benches and commented decently.
And when I was real young and sitting in the water along a lake-side beach he walked by, patted me on the head, and said, "Get big, kid!" before heading over to talk with my dad.
It is my personal belief that Steve was completely natural but many others disagree.
Back then ... those were the good old days when no one knew nor seemed to care about this mysterious thing called bodybuilding nor the lifting of heavy things!
And roids were unknown outside of a small number of guys within a place called York, Pa.
Many would like to argue with some of this, but these same "many" can never claim that they were physically present nor even near a place where heavy things were lifted.
And those 'times' were totally different than the world in which we live and lift today!
SORRY! I think I'm ranting!
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Genetics is important! Steve's mother was once interviewed by one of the newspapers in Oakland, California before Steve became famous outside of the Bay Area and she claimed that her son never had a cold nor a cavity.
I worked with Steve a few years before he passed away ..... and even then he looked somewhat like a college athlete and would often comment about how bad he felt about the involvement of steroids with present day bodybuilders.
I also knew Steve before he became famous but he was much older than myself and he was somewht considered to be a Bay Area hero among those who lifted heavy things and he observed while I did some heavy benches and commented decently.
And when I was real young and sitting in the water along a lake-side beach he walked by, patted me on the head, and said, "Get big, kid!" before heading over to talk with my dad.
It is my personal belief that Steve was completely natural but many others disagree.
Back then ... those were the good old days when no one knew nor seemed to care about this mysterious thing called bodybuilding nor the lifting of heavy things!
And roids were unknown outside of a small number of guys within a place called York, Pa.
Many would like to argue with some of this, but these same "many" can never claim that they were physically present nor even near a place where heavy things were lifted.
And those 'times' were totally different than the world in which we live and lift today!
SORRY! I think I'm ranting!
You make some good points
And I respect what you say & believe.
Not to accuse Reeves or anyone else...
The nature of Men & very competitive men since day 1 has always been
To seek out foods / herbs / roots / & in more recent times drugs to increase
Physical performance in one way or another.
There is no way of knowing what someone’s taken without watching them 24/7
And again as we have seen in all walks of life from Presidents to Scumbags
Humans will Lie & Lie Very Convincingly when they want / have to.
For me I’m not caught up in he did / he didn’t use PE’s whatever they be.
Their either good sportsman / good physique / good person or they are not.
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reeves was less genetically degraded than some, but nothing compared to adam
humanity has devolved into genetic waste
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Second page and nobody can see the photoshop around Jay's midsection.
Didn't even notice that...damn. Waist probably as big as ever.
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You make some good points
And I respect what you say & believe.
Not to accuse Reeves or anyone else...
The nature of Men & very competitive men since day 1 has always been
To seek out foods / herbs / roots / & in more recent times drugs to increase
Physical performance in one way or another.
There is no way of knowing what someone’s taken without watching them 24/7
And again as we have seen in all walks of life from Presidents to Scumbags
Humans will Lie & Lie Very Convincingly when they want / have to.
For me I’m not caught up in he did / he didn’t use PE’s whatever they be.
Their either good sportsman / good physique / good person or they are not.
good post...
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good post...
Thank you.
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Genetics is important! Steve's mother was once interviewed by one of the newspapers in Oakland, California before Steve became famous outside of the Bay Area and she claimed that her son never had a cold nor a cavity.
I worked with Steve a few years before he passed away ..... and even then he looked somewhat like a college athlete and would often comment about how bad he felt about the involvement of steroids with present day bodybuilders.
I also knew Steve before he became famous but he was much older than myself and he was somewht considered to be a Bay Area hero among those who lifted heavy things and he observed while I did some heavy benches and commented decently.
And when I was real young and sitting in the water along a lake-side beach he walked by, patted me on the head, and said, "Get big, kid!" before heading over to talk with my dad.
It is my personal belief that Steve was completely natural but many others disagree.
Back then ... those were the good old days when no one knew nor seemed to care about this mysterious thing called bodybuilding nor the lifting of heavy things!
And roids were unknown outside of a small number of guys within a place called York, Pa.
Many would like to argue with some of this, but these same "many" can never claim that they were physically present nor even near a place where heavy things were lifted.
And those 'times' were totally different than the world in which we live and lift today!
SORRY! I think I'm ranting!
I would agree that he was natural, he had great genetics and an especially great structure.
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Reeves looks unreal in this clip
absolutley incredible physique and that’s nearly 70 years ago :o
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While in the film phase of his career, Steve Reeves said he only trained about one month a year but ate well.
i read that too in one of his books.. he would train a month before each movie appearance... and he didn't train that long to win his mr universe title.. most of his training for that was done in York pa.. where it was said he made enormous gains in a very short time.
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WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ;D
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ILLUMINATE, I also like and appreciate what you said and how you said it in response to my initial Steve Reves comments.
And I agree entirely but to the best of my knowledge and of the times involved and Reeves physque and his very own personal comments about roid usage within the bodybuilding world, and his apparent honesty ... I still believe that he was completely natural.
BUT .... I had never known that Steve visited YORK, PA. as mentioned above (Thanks, FUNK .. but are you sure about that?) and to the best of my limited knowledge ... that was the principal US location in which roid use first started.
Bill Starr who passed away recently was once the self appointed and deserving expert on all things YORK, and has told us many interesting York-day stories which I often suggested that he include in a tell-all book, but as far as I know ... he never did ... unless some of this early day lifting and Bob Hoffman/York stuff was somehow included in Bill's .... ONLY THE STRONG WILL SURVIVE!
But there were no reported sexual shenanigans, so it just might not be of interest to most GetBiggers.
Illuminate, Thanks again. I like the way you expressed yourself.
And I find it difficult to disagree even though I want to
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i read that too in one of his books.. he would train a month before each movie appearance... and he didn't train that long to win his mr universe title.. most of his training for that was done in York pa.. where it was said he made enormous gains in a very short time.
LMAO Reeves predates ANY known drug use by strength athletes. There is NO known history of strength athletes using anything until Dr John Zeigler in the late 50s which was years AFTER Reeves retired. He started to use pure test on weightlifters with NO effect. There is a history of the use of PEDs in bodybuilding and this is after Steve Reeves time. Everyone has a theory , a story , an anecdote NO ONE has any facts.
Periodically on the various internet bodybuilding forums someone makes a completely baseless statement about steroid use, when it started, and who was using them back in the 'old days'. When I see ignorance being masqueraded as fact I almost always feel compelled to join the discussion and refute some of the often outrageous statements being hurled about. I'm going to recap what's known about the history of anabolic steroid use in sports so I can refer people to this entry rather than go through it time and time again.
All reliable sources - publications by Terry Todd, John Fair, Randy Roach, Bill Starr, etc, as well as interviews and letters from John Ziegler, John Grimek, Bill March, etc - indicate that experimentation with testosterone for athletic purposes began in the U.S. sometime in either late 1954 or 1955. These 'trials' were short-lived, however, as the results were disappointing and testosterone use was deemed ineffective and carried the risk of harmful side-effects. A statistical analysis of Olympic-style Weightlifting performances published in the International Journal of the History of Sport concluded that Soviet athletes likely first used testosterone sometime between 1952 and 1956.
Dr. John Ziegler, physician for the U.S. Olympic Weightlifting team (i.e. the York team), described in interviews of learning about the Soviet use of testosterone injections at the 1954 World Weightlifting Championships in Vienna, Austria in October of that year. Some time after returning home, Ziegler convinced York affiliated lifters John Grimek, Jim Park and Yaz Kuzahara to be test subjects and receive testosterone injections (oral testosterone was known to be clinically ineffective by that time). By Grimek's account, the results were disappointing. In a private letter, dated at the time, Grimek spoke of seeing nothing in the way of gains and quiting the injections because he felt he was actually regressing. Jim Park received only one injection which he claimed did nothing for him physically, but made him incredibly horny. It is unclear as to Kuzahara's experience but, in any case, it was not positive enough to warrant continued use and further experimentation was ceased. In light of the terrible side effects that Ziegler had heard of and witnessed Soviet users suffering, and lack of significant results in his own test subjects, no further experimentation with testosterone was tried by the York (U.S.) Weightlifting team for the duration of the 1950s.
This was not the end of Ziegler's involvement with steroids, however. Ziegler began work with CIBA Pharmaceuticals in 1955 to develop a testosterone derivative that would carry the anabolic properties of testosterone without the undesirable side effects. Preliminary results began coming in by 1956, and Dianabol was released to the U.S. prescription drug market in 1958 for use in wasting conditions. CIBA's competitor, Searle, beat them to the market, however, and introduced Nilevar, the first synthetic anabolic/androgenic steroid, to the prescription drug market in 1956 (used as a polio treatment).
In late 1959 (some claim as early as 1958, some as late as 1960) Ziegler decided to try the new Dianabol on some of the non-medal contending York lifters and enlisted Grimek to convince a few lifters to begin taking it under his (Ziegler's) supervision. Lower level or non-competitive lifters were chosen for the initial trials so as not to risk marring the performance of medal contenders at the upcoming 1960 Olympics (Dianabol was, at that time, a relatively untested drug and York chief Bob Hoffman was said to have feared trying it on his top lifters). Bill March, Tony Garcy, John Grimek, Ziegler himself and later Lou Riecke were the first Guinea Pigs, and the results were much more promising this time around.
From there, Dianabol use quickly spread to the entire York Weightlifting team. Now, up-and-coming York lifters and Strength and Health magazine writers such as Bill Starr and Tommy Suggs started letting the secret out to the bodybuilding community, and by the early-to-mid 1960s almost all high-level competitive bodybuilders were taking steroids in the weeks leading up to contests. This pre-contest cycling scheme by bodybuilders was based on the Weightlifters' practice of escalating steroid use in the weeks leading up to lifting meets - the logic being that just as the lifters wanted to be at their best (strongest) come meet day, bodybuilders wanted to peak at their biggest on the day of the contest. It didn't take long for steroid use to spill into the 'off-season' as well, as this allowed bodybuilders to build more ultimate muscle mass.
The man who would go on to become the first Mr. Olympia, Larry Scott, gained 8 pounds of muscle in two months between the 1960 Mr. Los Angeles (in which he placed third), and the 1960 Mr. California (which he won, defeating the two men who had placed above him in the Mr. Los Angeles two months earlier). A year earlier he had won the Mr. Idaho weighing just 152 pounds. Larry credits Rheo Blair, and his protein powder, as being instrumental in his sudden improvement. However, considering Larry's dramatic gains from that point onward, and Blair's reported possession of Nilevar a few years earlier before he even moved to California, it is quite likely that this time in 1960 also marks Larry's first usage of steroids (something to which he admits but, to my knowledge, hasn't specified the date).
But the early 1960s did't mark the true origins of bodybuilder's regular use of steroids, however. In an early edition of his book Getting Stronger, Bill Pearl told of meeting Arthur Jones (founder of the Nautilus line of training equipment and father of the "HIT" style of training) in 1958 and learning of Nilevar from him. After a little further investigation, Pearl began a twelve-week cycle of the steroid and gained 25 pounds. At around that same time, Irvin Johnson (aka Rheo H. Blair - 'father' of the first protein powders) is said to have had Searle's Nilevar in his possession, though he isn't believed to have been widely distributing it to bodybuilders at that time.
So what can we gather from all of this? First of all, no bodybuilder or lifter was using synthetic steroids before 1956 - they didn't exist. Most likely, only the very highest level West Coast bodybuilders knew of them by 1958. From there it seems that knowledge of Nilevar and Dianabol to build muscle and strength was kept relatively in the closet until the early 1960s. After all, Hoffman did not want outside athletes to know his lifters' secrets and he was using their sudden gains via Dianabol to promote his supplement line and isometric training courses and racks. Bill Starr wrote that until he was a national calibre lifter with York in the early 1960s he had never heard of steroids. Reg Park (Mr. Universe 1951, 1958, 1965) said that the first he heard of them were in connection with rumours about East German and Soviet athletes during the 1960 Olympics, though he later heard of "steroids" being used on British POWs from Singapore in WWII as they were being nursed back to health in Australian hospitals. Chet Yorton (Mr. America 1966, Mr. Universe 1966, 1975) has said that he first heard of steroids (Nilevar) in 1964, and decided not to risk using them - Yorton went on to become one of the sports most outspoken campaigners against steroid use and founder of the first drug-tested, natural bodybuilding federation. The condition of national and world level bodybuilders appears to have taken a visible leap between 1960 to 1964.
As for testosterone itself, Paul de Kruif's 1945 book "The Male Hormone" is often cited as "proof" that bodybuilders knew of and were using testosterone in the 1940s. But even though testosterone had been identified by researchers and isolated in laboratory settings as early as the 1930s, it didn't receive FDA approval as a prescription drug until 1950 and, therefore, injectable testosterone was produced only sporadically and in small batches for research purposes, before that time. De Kruif himself made no clear connection between testosterone use and possible athletic applications, though he did briefly raise the question if it could surpass the effects of large vitamin doses in baseball players - aside from this single sentence, his arguments were purely from the perspective of using testosterone to restore the vitality and health of hypogonadal and aging men.
It has been said that John Grimek, upon reading publications such as de Kruif's, was inquiring about testosterone in the 1940s. But he would have had nothing other than a possible hunch that it could be used for athletic purposes, and no source or opportunity to experiment with it. There were, in fact, two companies in California advertising "genuine testosterone" tablets through mail order in the late 1940s, but were ordered to stop by the FDA in early-to-mid 1951 when regulations to control the distribution of controlled substances were tightened. It was well known by researchers at that time, however, that the liver effectively clears almost all orally ingested testosterone within seconds, even very large doses (clearance rate of 24.5mg/min/kg), so these tablets would have produced no effects even if they did contain crystalline testosterone. The low bioavailability of oral testosterone is precisely why injections were used in early research and why synthetic steroids were eventually developed.
It wasn't until 1954/1955 with Ziegler, that Grimek wrote of getting his first testosterone injections. It stands to reason that if even Grimek had no access to bioavailable testosterone before 1954-55 and no knowledge of other top level bodybuilders or lifters using it before then - and as editor of Strength and Health magazine and second in command at York he certainly was in a position to know - then it is very unlikely that anyone in the west was effectively using testosterone for athletic/physique purposes before late 1954/1955. Given that these early experiments were unsuccessful and brief (likely because they knew little about dosing for increased strength and muscle mass), it is most likely that the first western bodybuilders began steroid use not with testosterone itself, but with Nilevar, sometime after 1956 to 1958. From there, Dianabol enters the picture at the elite level and by 1964 even the muscle magazines, such as Iron Man, were writing about what they called the "tissue building drugs".
For a western bodybuilder or lifter to be using testosterone before late 1954/1955 he would had to have known more about the biochemistry of testosterone and it's potential athletic effects than any western sports physician - and have had access to what was then a relatively rarely used prescription drug. He would also had to have known more about how to effectively dose it than John Ziegler, who would go on to co-develop Dianabol just a few years later. Nobody in the west can say for sure exactly when the Soviets began using testosterone, but the likely date is sometime before October 1954 and possibly as early as 1952.
As mentioned, injectable testosterone was first approved for prescription as a cancer, wasting and burn treatment in the U.S. in 1950. Before that it was available for research purposes only, with the FDA tightening regulations and enforcement in the early 1950s. Ads for "genuine testosterone tablets" were placed in national newspapers by two California companies from 1946 to 1951, but the actual ingredients of these tablets were uncontrolled, cannot be verified, and due to the body's clearance rate oral testosterone would be inconsequential anyway. For a bodybuilder to be effectively using testosterone before 1950 he would not only had to have known more about the biochemistry, dosing and potential athletic applications of it than anybody else in the world (including the research scientists working with it), but also have had access to what was then an experimental drug, isolated in limited amounts for controlled research purposes, and not produced in quantity for a public or prescription market. "Snake oil" ads for testosterone tablets, even if they contained what was advertised (which in itself was vague), would not have significantly impacted blood testosterone levels due to the liver's massive testosterone clearance rate and cannot be considered a reliable source.
For these reasons it can be stated with near certainty that Steve Reeves, Clancy Ross, John Grimek, Jack Delinger, Reg Park, John Farbotnik, George Eiferman, etc - who all won major physique titles before the Soviets began using testosterone and before synthetic steroids were introduced in 1956 - were not using bioavailable testosterone or synthetic steroids at the time of their Mr. America, Mr. USA and Mr. Universe wins. Furthermore, it is unlikely that any major title winner was a steroid user before 1957-58 (Pearl won the Mr. USA and Mr. Universe titles in 1956 before his knowledge of Nilevar). Some athletes' careers from the era, such as Reg Park's, do span the introduction of steroids into bodybuilding. In Park's case, he weighed 226 lbs when he won the Mr. Britain title in 1949, 214 lbs when he won the Mr. Universe title in 1951, 215 lbs when he won it the second time in 1958, and 216 lbs when he placed 3rd in 1971 (at age 43 - he returned again in 1973 to place 2nd). If Park did jump on the steroid bandwagon when he learned of them in 1960, then they produced one pound of muscle in 11 years for him.
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never liked either of their physiques
i don't mind the backwards cap, it's just strange how jay wears his hat like that in his 40's but never did in his 20's or 30's
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Greatest genetics ever seen and people think he's on gear at just 215lbs at 6'1" lol people will fucking believe anything.
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(http://i.pinimg.com/736x/10/7a/bd/107abd03d30f1f88f1d9638fefa0ff27.jpg)
No contest. Steve Reeves is without a doubt the best built (and most handsome) natural man ever. The photo above is superb and has always been an inspiration to me and even more so to John.
I understand why some take AAS but in the last few decades bodybuilding has become nothing but drugs. You need only look at Phildo or Roelly to know this is true. It has gone beyond year 'round use to lifetime use. Given that the lifespan of these abusers is likely to be very short, "lifetime" takes on a new meaning. Like the old song by the Spinners said, it's a shame.
Steve Reeves inspired one of the finest physiques of the 70s, 80s and of all time - Frank Zane.
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i read that too in one of his books.. he would train a month before each movie appearance... and he didn't train that long to win his mr universe title.. most of his training for that was done in York pa.. where it was said he made enormous gains in a very short time.
thank you
my dad's favorite is steve
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Reeves did train in York in 1950.
Read...
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Reeves did train in York in 1950.
Read...
they made the incline bench esp. for steve it had to be exactly 45 degrees for his db curls
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Steve trained in York for a short time. Most of his training was in California.
Regarding steroid use you can see the drastic change in the physiques after Dianabol was invented. Users like to justify their use by rationalization saying it's impossible to be a muscular man without the assist because they can't do it.
Reeves was muscular as a young teenager training in a shed in Montana. There are pictures of him at 16 or 15 that look amazing. He was nick named the shape in during his Army service during World War II lifting a 110lbs set in the jungles of the Philippines area. He was muscular his whole life until his health failed him. He was adamantly anti drug use. I can only imagine what he would look like if he dosed on Dianabol like Larry Scott did.
Reeves used a split routine from time to time but for all of his contests he trained the whole body three times a week. Maybe he knew something about what truly is cutting edge training is all about then and now.
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ILLUMINATE, I also like and appreciate what you said and how you said it in response to my initial Steve Reves comments.
And I agree entirely but to the best of my knowledge and of the times involved and Reeves physque and his very own personal comments about roid usage within the bodybuilding world, and his apparent honesty ... I still believe that he was completely natural.
BUT .... I had never known that Steve visited YORK, PA. as mentioned above (Thanks, FUNK .. but are you sure about that?) and to the best of my limited knowledge ... that was the principal US location in which roid use first started.
Bill Starr who passed away recently was once the self appointed and deserving expert on all things YORK, and has told us many interesting York-day stories which I often suggested that he include in a tell-all book, but as far as I know ... he never did ... unless some of this early day lifting and Bob Hoffman/York stuff was somehow included in Bill's .... ONLY THE STRONG WILL SURVIVE!
But there were no reported sexual shenanigans, so it just might not be of interest to most GetBiggers.
Illuminate, Thanks again. I like the way you expressed yourself.
And I find it difficult to disagree even though I want to
Thank you for your comments Stuntmovie.
As I stated I have no interest in if reeves or any other bodybuilder/ sportsman
Used PE’s or they didn’t it doesn’t affect how I view them or think of them.
For his era Steve had a very good physique- likewise Jc Grimek before,
A very different type of physique but very good.
For those that admire / worship Reeves good for them.
I’m just very realistic about us as humans & admitting / lying about things
So we are seen in a better light - The more pressure the more the spotlight is on
& we have more to lose perceived or otherwise the more we will deny & cover.
We have seen it at every level & throughout history over all sorts of thing from
Serious to trivial.
It’s in Human Nature.
Again that’s not meant as a slur against Reeves or anyone else.
On a different note as you state you were unaware that Reeves had trained at YORK
not that that implies anything just shows that even his places to train were not always
Widely known.
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Reeves at a smaller size for his movie roles but still with great shape.
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/reeves/sr122.jpg)
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More about Reeves: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Reeves
Interestingly as you can see from the above posted photos, his leg development as a teen is identical to his development when he won the Mr. America and Universe in his early 20s.
Truly incredible genetics. Probably the best ever natural genetics if you include facial looks and all-over aesthetics. Perfect pec line on his chest, huge calves, classic symmetry, movie star looks.
This does not mean he would have responded to drugs well or not. That's a whole 'nother game.
He "retired" from bodybuilding competition at age 24.
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Thanks, Oldtimer, Narc, Iron, Funk, and others for the info you provided.
Sometimes I think I know everything but thanks to old geezers such as yourselves, I discover I only know 90% of everything!
I gotta add ... One of the best shots ever taken of Reeves was shot at Stenson Beach (I think) by my good, old, but presently deceased friend (I think) Arty Zeller.
But it could have been Russ Warner ...
Anyway .... It was a b&W photo of Steve doing a double arm with the setting sun in the background and simply showed Steve's sillouette .
Can anyone find that photo?
One additional comment that I posted on this board years ago and may have recently mentioned it briefly ...
Many years ago when Steve was relatively unknown, he would spend a few summer days in a small resort spot among the redwoods call Rio Nido.
Rio Nido was on the Russian River about 70 miles NW from Steve's neighborhood and one weekend he and one of his bulked up, gym buddies were talking to some of the other young kids when someone gave him a sucker punch and knocked him down ... for no apparent reason.
By the time Steve stood up, the bastard was gone.
That's the end of that story, but more to come as they get recalled.
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FUNK, Regarding that photo of Steve and Debbi Reynolds which you posted ....
The set designer placed some flowers on the table and Steve reached over and took part of the flower and started eating it while the camera rolled.
That's how the story goes but it was never mentioned in the script.
I recall one person behind the camera said that it was an orchid.
That was in 1954 and I wasn't present so I can't say it with absolute truthfulness, but it does sound like something Steve would do.
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FUNK, That photo of Steve and Debbi Reynolds which you posted ....
The set designer placed some flowers on the table and Steve reacher over and took part of the flower and started eating eating it while the camera rolled.
That's how the story goes but it was never mentioned in the script.
I recall one person behind the camera said that it was an orchid.
That was in 1954 and I wasn't present so I can't say it with absolute truthfulness, but it does sound like something Steve would do.
Yes, it was the orchid corsage in the film, "Athena". I have that film on laser disc. Edmund Purdom was the male lead in the movie.
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Thanks, Oldtimer, Narc, Iron, Funk, and others for the info you provided.
Sometimes I think I know everything but thanks to old geezers such as yourselves, I discover I only know 90% of everything!
I gotta add ... One of the best shots ever taken of Reeves was shot at Stenson Beach (I think) by my good, old, but presently deceased friend (I think) Arty Zeller.
But it could have been Russ Warner ...
Anyway .... It was a b&W photo of Steve doing a double arm with the setting sun in the background and simply showed Steve's sillouette .
Can anyone find that photo?
One additional comment that I posted on this board years ago and may have recently mentioned it briefly ...
Many years ago when Steve was relatively unknown, he would spend a few summer days in a small resort spot among the redwoods call Rio Nido.
Rio Nido was on the Russian River about 70 miles NW from Steve's neighborhood and one weekend he and one of his bulked up, gym buddies were talking to some of the other young kids when someone gave him a sucker punch and knocked him down ... for no apparent reason.
By the time Steve stood up, the bastard was gone.
That's the end of that story, but more to come as they get recalled.
Is this the picture?
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Is this the picture?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=647300.0;attach=764368)
I think that one was taken prior to the '47 Mr. America in Chicago overlooking Lake Michigan.
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I think that one was taken prior to the '47 Mr. America in Chicago overlooking Lake Michigan.
You're correct I believe he said this was the best he's ever looked.
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NARC/SCOTT, Thanks but those shots do not include the silhouette shot I mentioned earlier, but those shots above are among the best ever taken of Reeves.
The silhouette shot I metioned earlier was taken against the setting sun if I recall correctly and all you could see was the dark image of Steve ... similar to seeing a well proportioned shadow of an excellent physique.
I will bet that those shots as you posted above were talen by a photographer named Caruso, or possibly Zeller, or possibly even Warner ... but definitely not Weider who was not held in high esteem back in them good old days.
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OK, Sorry but I gotta add this .....
Steve was exceptional but was not the only individual who had a great look/physique back then.
The big thing I'm trying to say here is that .... Steve was just one of a handful of decent physiques in the Bay Area who was not reluctant and was ready, willing, and able to strip down and 'squeeze' his package into little, form fitting trunks and have his picture taken.
Back in those days it was considered to be a bit taboo to pose almost bare-assed naked in front of a camera held by a stranger and then have it published in 'questionable' magazines which could only be purchased at downtown locations and only if you could reach up high enough to pull one off that very high, top rack.
Public opinion accepting bodybuilders took a long time to change and ....... as you can see on this GetBoard .... sometimes it doesn't change at all.
So I'm saying that there were others who were somewhat similar to Reeves, but they were too 'victorian' to strip down and show their bods.
One of our high school divers was definitely equal or possibly even better than Reeves physique-wise but he only took his shirt off when he was competing.
Hell, Speedos and any clothing resembling Speedos were never worn in public by rational individuals unless you were on the swimming/diving team and most of those guys felt more comfortable in the water when Speedo adorned.
The above may all sound crazy now-a-days but back then it was the norm ..... and we were still departing from a semi-Victorian age.
And look at where that led us!
Times and the people involved were so much different then.
I would be surprised if anyone could show a photo of a neighborhood kid back in those days hitting muscle shots like is so rampant on this here internet thing now-a-days.
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Steve and his hack squat contraption.
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Steve
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OLDTIMER, Good shot. I never saw that one. Where did you find it?
Steve's trunks are the type that shoud be required today.
Can anyone ID the individual to whom he is speaking... Or anyone in the background?
Or the event?
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Steve trained in York for a short time. Most of his training was in California.
Regarding steroid use you can see the drastic change in the physiques after Dianabol was invented. Users like to justify their use by rationalization saying it's impossible to be a muscular man without the assist because they can't do it.
Reeves was muscular as a young teenager training in a shed in Montana. There are pictures of him at 16 or 15 that look amazing. He was nick named the shape in during his Army service during World War II lifting a 110lbs set in the jungles of the Philippines area. He was muscular his whole life until his health failed him. He was adamantly anti drug use. I can only imagine what he would look like if he dosed on Dianabol like Larry Scott did.
Reeves used a split routine from time to time but for all of his contests he trained the whole body three times a week. Maybe he knew something about what truly is cutting edge training is all about then and now.
What split Routine? don't believe it as i have never heard this. Utter BS. People like Gordon Scott used upper/lower but not Reeves.
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There is no point in comparing in any way, shape or form Jay to Steve.
Steve's bone structure is the best in bodybuilding history.
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Steve Reeves niece was posting on IronAge !.
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they made the incline bench esp. for steve it had to be exactly 45 degrees for his db curls
How does it compare to Vince Basille’s bicep curl machine?
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How does it compare to Vince Basille’s bicep curl machine?
;D ;D
;D ;D
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IRON, She also posted here at one time.
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IRON, She also posted here at one time.
As Steve never had children of his own and was an only child (as far as one can tell) I am guessing this must be the niece of one of his three wives.
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Reeves = more masculine pussy magnet
Cutler = top pro body builder with not best structure.
Prob still running a nice test/GH DOSAGE WITH SOME HARDENING AGENTS YEAR ROUND
Both legends
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Reeves = more masculine pussy magnet
Cutler = top pro body builder with not best structure.
Prob still running a nice test/GH DOSAGE WITH SOME HARDENING AGENTS YEAR ROUND
Only one is a legend, while the other is less famous than a 2nd-rate NFL player of the same name, has the personality of plywood and couldn't beat prime Ronnie to save his life.
Edited for continuous improvement.
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How does it compare to Vince Basille’s bicep curl machine?
It’s far to simple & uncomplicated to compare with that monstrosity.
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ILLUMINATE, I also like and appreciate what you said and how you said it in response to my initial Steve Reves comments.
And I agree entirely but to the best of my knowledge and of the times involved and Reeves physque and his very own personal comments about roid usage within the bodybuilding world, and his apparent honesty ... I still believe that he was completely natural.
BUT .... I had never known that Steve visited YORK, PA. as mentioned above (Thanks, FUNK .. but are you sure about that?) and to the best of my limited knowledge ... that was the principal US location in which roid use first started.
Bill Starr who passed away recently was once the self appointed and deserving expert on all things YORK, and has told us many interesting York-day stories which I often suggested that he include in a tell-all book, but as far as I know ... he never did ... unless some of this early day lifting and Bob Hoffman/York stuff was somehow included in Bill's .... ONLY THE STRONG WILL SURVIVE!
But there were no reported sexual shenanigans, so it just might not be of interest to most GetBiggers.
Illuminate, Thanks again. I like the way you expressed yourself.
And I find it difficult to disagree even though I want to
Have never read this book but it always sounded interesting:
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FUNK, Regarding that photo of Steve and Debbi Reynolds which you posted ....
The set designer placed some flowers on the table and Steve reached over and took part of the flower and started eating it while the camera rolled.
That's how the story goes but it was never mentioned in the script.
I recall one person behind the camera said that it was an orchid.
That was in 1954 and I wasn't present so I can't say it with absolute truthfulness, but it does sound like something Steve would do.
That movie is Athena, which I think is one of the strangest mainstream movies ever made.
On the subject of Steve Reeves and movies, I heard a story once that he turned down the lead in a Fistful Of Dollars. Reeves thought the idea of an Italian (Sergio Leone) making an American western was a ridiculous idea. Leone had wanted Reeves for the part because he was the biggest star in Italy at the time. After turning it down Leone then got Clint Eastwood for the lead role, which made him into the international superstar that he became. In other words if Reeves had taken the part he might’ve become an even bigger movie star than he already was.
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(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zpxNBySGFn8/Th0MxZFVKbI/AAAAAAAADjA/PoXMPL630Bk/s1600/reeves.jpg)
Just as the animals now speak and the earth gives milk and honey,
so something supernatural also echoes out of him: he feels himself a god;
he himself now moves in as lofty and ecstatic a way as he saw the gods move in his dream.
The man is no longer an artist; he has become a work of art.
Friedrich Nietzsche, The Birth of Tragedy (Section 1).
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Steve in 1948
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That movie is Athena, which I think is one of the strangest mainstream movies ever made.
On the subject of Steve Reeves and movies, I heard a story once that he turned down the lead in a Fistful Of Dollars. Reeves thought the idea of an Italian (Sergio Leone) making an American western was a ridiculous idea. Leone had wanted Reeves for the part because he was the biggest star in Italy at the time. After turning it down Leone then got Clint Eastwood for the lead role, which made him into the international superstar that he became. In other words if Reeves had taken the part he might’ve become an even bigger movie star than he already was.
I always heard that Reeves turned down the role because he wouldn't smoke the trademark cigar - wouldn't even let it touch his lips.
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Reeves was a Genetic Freak for sure. He had it all.
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That movie is Athena, which I think is one of the strangest mainstream movies ever made.
On the subject of Steve Reeves and movies, I heard a story once that he turned down the lead in a Fistful Of Dollars. Reeves thought the idea of an Italian (Sergio Leone) making an American western was a ridiculous idea. Leone had wanted Reeves for the part because he was the biggest star in Italy at the time. After turning it down Leone then got Clint Eastwood for the lead role, which made him into the international superstar that he became. In other words if Reeves had taken the part he might’ve become an even bigger movie star than he already was.
He also turned down the role of James Bond in Dr.No.
He admittedly made some bad career moves.
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but did he turn down the cock?
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but did he turn down the cock?
he's dead you'll have to look elsewhere
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He also turned down the role of James Bond in Dr.No.
He admittedly made some bad career moves.
Sorry but he made the Right decision. He was not a good enough Actor to Play that part. Infact he was never that great really. I even heard they dubbed his voice.
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Sorry but he made the Right decision. He was not a good enough Actor to Play that part. Infact he was never that great really. I even heard they dubbed his voice.
One of the posters on IronAge said he sounded a bit like Clint Eastwood.
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Sorry but he made the Right decision. He was not a good enough Actor to Play that part. Infact he was never that great really. I even heard they dubbed his voice.
That is common practice in the majority of Sword & Sandal flicks. To hear Reeves real voice, simply watch either the musical "Athena" or the Ed "The Weirdo" Wood film, "Jailbait". In addition to those two movies, there are several examples of Reeves speaking on television, both Italian TV and American. Steve Reeves possessed a deep, masculine voice that matched his physique. He was injured (shoulder) during a scene in the filming of "The Last Days Of Pompei", which which was directed oddly enough, by Sergio Leoni.
Reeves (along with Sophia Loren) became the highest paid actor in Europe, earning approximately $350,000 per film. He ultimately chose to retire early as he had lost a couple of acting friends (including Tyrone Power) who died very early in their lives. I have no idea why he chose not to play the role of Leoni's "man with no name" but some say it was because he thought an Italian incapable of directing an American style western. Regardless, he would have done well with the role but Clint Eastwood did great and owns those pictures completely.
I also think that Reeves lost a lot of money in the DotCom crash in the early 21st Century, but I could be wrong. He also married for a third time but not much is known about the woman, Deborah Anne Englehorn. If the photos appearing online of a very young woman and Steve are her, she was much younger than the Shape at the time of their marriage. Steve's ranch in North San Diego County was sold but I haven't really looked into who the new owner is.
Steve Reeves is without a doubt the finest example of a truly natural built physique. Reg Park is up there too and those that think Reg doped need only look at him standing next to Arnold in the Mr. Universe. Reg is well built but Arnold is...Well, he's Arnold and we all know what that means. The Oak is the best built man of all time with the caveat that he took AAS. Without AAS it is definitely Reeves.
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Reeves speaks: starts at 00:25... 25 seconds in
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Reg Park is up there too and those that think Reg doped need only look at him standing next to Arnold in the Mr. Universe. Reg is well built but Arnold is...Well, he's Arnold and we all know what that means. The Oak is the best built man of all time with the caveat that he took AAS. Without AAS it is definitely Reeves.
Park was definitely a natural in his early years (late 1940s).
But in his later years? Not likely. Here he is at age 43 competing and taking 3rd place against some of the best of all time.
1971 NABBA Pro Universe...
Sergio (doper), Pearl (doper), Park (?)
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That is common practice in the majority of Sword & Sandal flicks. To hear Reeves real voice, simply watch either the musical "Athena" or the Ed "The Weirdo" Wood film, "Jailbait". In addition to those two movies, there are several examples of Reeves speaking on television, both Italian TV and American. Steve Reeves possessed a deep, masculine voice that matched his physique. He was injured (shoulder) during a scene in the filming of "The Last Days Of Pompei", which which was directed oddly enough, by Sergio Leoni.
Reeves (along with Sophia Loren) became the highest paid actor in Europe, earning approximately $350,000 per film. He ultimately chose to retire early as he had lost a couple of acting friends (including Tyrone Power) who died very early in their lives. I have no idea why he chose not to play the role of Leoni's "man with no name" but some say it was because he thought an Italian incapable of directing an American style western. Regardless, he would have done well with the role but Clint Eastwood did great and owns those pictures completely.
I also think that Reeves lost a lot of money in the DotCom crash in the early 21st Century, but I could be wrong. He also married for a third time but not much is known about the woman, Deborah Anne Englehorn. If the photos appearing online of a very young woman and Steve are her, she was much younger than the Shape at the time of their marriage. Steve's ranch in North San Diego County was sold but I haven't really looked into who the new owner is.
Steve Reeves is without a doubt the finest example of a truly natural built physique. Reg Park is up there too and those that think Reg doped need only look at him standing next to Arnold in the Mr. Universe. Reg is well built but Arnold is...Well, he's Arnold and we all know what that means. The Oak is the best built man of all time with the caveat that he took AAS. Without AAS it is definitely Reeves.
My Point was he was never a great Actor. James Bond come on :D
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Park was definitely a natural in his early years (late 1940s).
But in his later years? Not likely. Here he is competing against some of the best of all time.
1971 NABBA Pro Universe...
Sergio (doper), Pearl (doper), Park (?)
near the start of park's bbing career he came to california to learn the tricks of the trade... if memory serves me correct he trained some with marvin eder.
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near the start of park's bbing career he came to california to learn the tricks of the trade... if memory serves me correct he trained some with marvin eder.
what "tricks of the trade" ? utter rubbish. Park was a Champion in the UK & ran his own Magazine. Yes he came over to expand his Career but not to learn.
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near the start of park's bbing career he came to california to learn the tricks of the trade... if memory serves me correct he trained some with marvin eder.
You are correct because I've read some of Eder's words regarding that period of time (Eder lived on the East Coast) and Marvin said Park was one of the few who could not only train with but keep up with Eder's poundages. Both men were incredibly powerful and I do not think they took any AAS. I think the time period was the late 50s or early 60s.
Park was a proud Brit and a great man to boot. His son has written that his father denied using AAS and like Reeves, I believe the son because I believe his father to have been a man of honor.
Here is an excellent article on Marin Eder - http://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2009/03/marvin-eder-gene-mozee.html (http://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2009/03/marvin-eder-gene-mozee.html)
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What type of TRT stack do you guys think Jay is on to maintain that size?
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Park was definitely a natural in his early years (late 1940s).
But in his later years? Not likely. Here he is at age 43 competing and taking 3rd place against some of the best of all time.
1971 NABBA Pro Universe...
Sergio (doper), Pearl (doper), Park (?)
I agree Park was natural for the majority of his career , got noticeably bigger in the 60s
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I would 1000x prefer walk in Reeves shoes..
Jay looks lethargic, with a humour of a dead fish and dumb as rocks.. would gas if he climbed up on 1 floor stairs.
Meanwhile Reeves looks like a real Hombre, independent, ladies man, Alpha type..
Not one single prime famous pussy is throwing themselves at Jay.. except for MAYBE burned out fitness sluts in exchange for insta-followers.
Reeves could pick any Top famous pussy, he probably banged tons of famous actresses.
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2018 and steve reeves at a similar age.
He looks great. Despite what everyone else thinks, I'm seeing maybe a little more than HRT dosages maybe 2-400mgs test and probably a little EQ. Sometimes you guys over exaggerate what you think some guys are on.
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That is common practice in the majority of Sword & Sandal flicks. To hear Reeves real voice, simply watch either the musical "Athena" or the Ed "The Weirdo" Wood film, "Jailbait". In addition to those two movies, there are several examples of Reeves speaking on television, both Italian TV and American. Steve Reeves possessed a deep, masculine voice that matched his physique. He was injured (shoulder) during a scene in the filming of "The Last Days Of Pompei", which which was directed oddly enough, by Sergio Leoni.
Reeves (along with Sophia Loren) became the highest paid actor in Europe, earning approximately $350,000 per film. He ultimately chose to retire early as he had lost a couple of acting friends (including Tyrone Power) who died very early in their lives. I have no idea why he chose not to play the role of Leoni's "man with no name" but some say it was because he thought an Italian incapable of directing an American style western. Regardless, he would have done well with the role but Clint Eastwood did great and owns those pictures completely.
I also think that Reeves lost a lot of money in the DotCom crash in the early 21st Century, but I could be wrong. He also married for a third time but not much is known about the woman, Deborah Anne Englehorn. If the photos appearing online of a very young woman and Steve are her, she was much younger than the Shape at the time of their marriage. Steve's ranch in North San Diego County was sold but I haven't really looked into who the new owner is.
Steve Reeves is without a doubt the finest example of a truly natural built physique. Reg Park is up there too and those that think Reg doped need only look at him standing next to Arnold in the Mr. Universe. Reg is well built but Arnold is...Well, he's Arnold and we all know what that means. The Oak is the best built man of all time with the caveat that he took AAS. Without AAS it is definitely Reeves.
Further on the subject of bodybuilders and movies and Reg Park, Park starred in one of the all-time best Hercules movies:
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:)
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What type of TRT stack do you guys think Jay is on to maintain that size?
A Good One. :)
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Reg Park and Steve 8)
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A Good One. :)
;D
Probably in line with what a female to "male" tranny gets which I think is a gram a week of testosterone. Ridiculous, huh? But again, I'm happy for Jay reducing himself however so slight it may be, but he is nowhere near a Steve Reeves. Too short. Too fat. Too much of a Jay Leno chin and to be honest, kinda not handsome at all.
Reeves was a babe magnet. Jay is more a schmoe fagnet. ;D
Could not resist using that last one, LOL!
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Still running 750 a week and we wont even comment on a 45 year old man wearing his hat backwards.
J
Cutler said on Rx muscle that he tried to downsize but he couldn't haha...maybe the 750 has something to do with it I guess...My first thought was, skip your needles...
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Cutler is an addict.
He's addicted to looking jacked.
His self-image and confidence is all dependent on his physique.
It's weak.
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Cutler is an addict.
He's addicted to looking jacked.
His self-image and confidence is all dependent on his physique.
It's weak.
Seems a good dude in interviews. Real life who knows.
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Seems a good dude in interviews. Real life who knows.
I'm sure he's a good guy but he's still an addict who sticks needles in his ass.
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Seems a good dude in interviews. Real life who knows.
I'd never really listened to Jay speak much until now (I'm a bigger fan of his brother, Ray ;))
Am I the only one who thinks Jay sounds a bit like Family Guy?
:D
(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-06a1251dbdc762cc56035b86599966a4-c)
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I'd never really listened to him speak much until now - am I the only one who thinks he sounds a bit like Family Guy?
:D
(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-06a1251dbdc762cc56035b86599966a4-c)
LOL! ;D Excellent!
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Cutler said on Rx muscle that he tried to downsize but he couldn't haha...maybe the 750 has something to do with it I guess...My first thought was, skip your needles...
If he stopped using at least testosterone, would his body recover after being on for so long?
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Have never read this book but it always sounded interesting:
it's a good book well worth the read..
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If he stopped using at least testosterone, would his body recover after being on for so long?
Most likely his nuts fell off a while back, so no.
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what "tricks of the trade" ? utter rubbish. Park was a Champion in the UK & ran his own Magazine. Yes he came over to expand his Career but not to learn.
i'm not disrespecting park... he came over to see what was going on in the states..and see what he could find out what different techniques and equipment advancements they might have made..in england eveyone trained a pretty standard way at the time that's why park's routines and body stood out from the norm in england.
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KAHN, Thanks!
This is the photo of Reves (or damn close to it) that I had mentioned earlier about being so damn impressive back in them good old days.
I could be wrong here but to the best of my recollection it was shot by Arty Zeller over at Stenson Beach a few miles north of the San Francisco Bay Area in the early 50'.
I had to darken it up a bit in an attempt to make it look like the photo as originally published.
As you can see ... I was wrong about the sunset in the background.
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KAHN, Thanks!
This is the photo of Reves (or damn close to it) that I had mentioned earlier about being so damn impressive back in them good old days.
I could be wrong here but to the best of my recollection it was shot by Arty Zeller over at Stenson Beach a few miles north of the San Francisco Bay Area in the early 50'.
I had to darken it up a bit in an attempt to make it look like the photo as originally published.
My pleasure, Stunt.
Best,
Kahn
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KAHN, Where did you find that shot?
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Jay is going through mid life crisis, dating used up Las Vegas bartenders
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Jay looks great there. Love Steve Reeves physique!
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You are correct because I've read some of Eder's words regarding that period of time (Eder lived on the East Coast) and Marvin said Park was one of the few who could not only train with but keep up with Eder's poundages. Both men were incredibly powerful and I do not think they took any AAS. I think the time period was the late 50s or early 60s.
Park was a proud Brit and a great man to boot. His son has written that his father denied using AAS and like Reeves, I believe the son because I believe his father to have been a man of honor.
Here is an excellent article on Marin Eder - http://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2009/03/marvin-eder-gene-mozee.html (http://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2009/03/marvin-eder-gene-mozee.html)
Marvin Eder: