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I know this has and always will be discussed here .....
But Ben Pakulski says that BCAA is the number one sup in the top 5 Muscle growth list .
Do you agree ? Do you use it regularly ?
WooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12970-017-0184-9
bcaas are a complete waste of money
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https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12970-017-0184-9
bcaas are a complete waste of money
"Evidence indicates that leucine alone may exert and anabolic response "
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it has some potential as pre-workout on an empty stomach after 12-14 hour fast (sleep included) during the dieting phase as anti-catabolic, otherwise, useless
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"Evidence indicates that leucine alone may exert and anabolic response "
yes, leucine, which is in...
oh just about EVERY SOURCE OF PROTEIN
"Human dietary sources are foods that contain protein, such as meats, dairy products, soy products, and beans and other legumes. "
again, bcaas are a waste of time unless you are some weird ethiopian who can somehow afford overpriced garbage supplements but cant afford a steak or bottle of milk.
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ill even go one further, consider that the richest source of leucine we know of is in milk proteins, specifically whey.
considering you all drink it like its going out of fashion any day now, what the fuck is the point, i mean really? Why spend another $30-60? Just drink your damn protein and shut the fuck up.
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we need to believe its working
those of us who dont do steroids!
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Don't show this thread to clowns that spend $40 on pumpchasers' bullshit.
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supps worth taking (bbing supps)
BCAA, Creatine, and whey
i take 1-2 servings of each around my training then it is all real food after that
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supps worth taking (bbing supps)
BCAA, Creatine, and whey
i take 1-2 servings of each around my training then it is all real food after that
Nah man. Tren and some fish, chicken, veggies are what produce your results not that other crap mentioned above.
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Nah man. Tren and some fish, chicken, veggies are what produce your results not that other crap mentioned above.
of course those are superior
its not the point of the thread. its not even the topic here lol
that like talking cars then you mention an F15 fighter jet is faster than ford mustang
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No ad here please.... BCAA waste your money!
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of course those are superior
its not the point of the thread. its not even the topic here lol
that like talking cars then you mention an F15 fighter jet is faster than ford mustang
It is the point if you're flying the fighter jet. You know that shit is a waste after you take tren and eat clean.
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It is the point if you're flying the fighter jet. You know that shit is a waste after you take tren and eat clean.
tren and eating clean isnt part of the conversation.....
its are BCAAs worth the money?
and i say yes - it like $1.00 a serving when you divide it out
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tren and eating clean isnt part of the conversation.....
its are BCAAs worth the money?
and i say yes - it like $1.00 a serving when you divide it out
You can buy 60 eggs for $4 at Walmart, that's a whopping 105 grams of protein per dollar. Bcaa's are garbage, if anything EAA's are a much better option.
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tren and eating clean isnt part of the conversation.....
its are BCAAs worth the money?
and i say yes - it like $1.00 a serving when you divide it out
zero evidence they do anything at all in people who are already consuming whole protein sources. Review of relevant literature:
https://builtwithscience.com/bcaas-benefits/
so i ask again, whats the point? Why do people insist on trying to justify being ripped off? supplement marketing is devastatingly effective i guess. Whether its $1 a serving or $5, it doesn't matter - they dont do anything for you that you're not already getting. Put it into proper perspective, you're paying someone else to rip you off, not paying for a product you will get utility out of.
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my prep coach had me drink it so i followed his advice to the "t"
that is all
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If you buy the powder version it's pretty cheap. I'm all in when it comes to leucine.
http://ergo-log.com/three-myostatin-inhibitors-available-from-your-supplements-supplier.html
http://ergo-log.com/leucine-muscle-without-training.html
http://ergo-log.com/leucinenottraining.html
http://ergo-log.com/leucinefat.html
http://ergo-log.com/leucine-after-strength-training-igf-1-muscle.html
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John Meadows advocates essential aminoacids prior to the workout, instead of just bcaa.
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I know this has and always will be discussed here .....
But Ben Pakulski says that BCAA is the number one sup in the top 5 Muscle growth list .
Do you agree ? Do you use it regularly ?
WooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH
No, if you can’t get it through solid foods because you can’t get your meals in throughout the day, you should be using a supplement
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I know this has and always will be discussed here .....
But Ben Pakulski says that BCAA is the number one sup in the top 5 Muscle growth list .
Do you agree ? Do you use it regularly ?
WooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Well, there is intelligence and bodybuilders, but not very often in same shoes. Fact is that BCAA is good, but you benefit more taking EAA, which includes all vital amino acids. He talks also about "probiotics" as an important supplement, which is pure broscience and BS. There is very little if any scientific evidence what so ever that anyone could benefit that crap..
And how to use EAA? 10g when you wake up at the morning to wake up your protein syntheses, some between the meals, some while you are training to prevent katabolia..
The real list would be:
1. EEA
2. Protein
3. Citrulline Malate
4. Kreatine
5. Green vegetables..
Why? All these are proved to be real and useful supplements by science without any significant downside. EEA = BCAA + then some, protein = obvious benefits, Citrulline malate = rise arginine levels in your system better than digested arginine + decrease ammonium levels etc. There is always facts and the broscience which you have to choose, but you benefit more/lose less going by the facts.
What? Who? When? Yes, there is few if any my words in that, I just happen to watch some videos, made by Marko Savolainen & Anssi Manninen, M.H.S. in sports medicine, who were science-editor in Muscular Development few years ago ;D
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https://suppversity.blogspot.com/2016/03/recent-studies-cast-shadow-over-high.html
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Funny when someone that has been juicing religiously for years starts theorizing about BCAA.
Fraudulent Industry .
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Speaks well,looks
Great no homo, this size
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I dont take any supplements and presently at 39 Im stronger than ever. So go figure.
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zero evidence they do anything at all in people who are already consuming whole protein sources. Review of relevant literature:
https://builtwithscience.com/bcaas-benefits/
so i ask again, whats the point? Why do people insist on trying to justify being ripped off? supplement marketing is devastatingly effective i guess. Whether its $1 a serving or $5, it doesn't matter - they dont do anything for you that you're not already getting. Put it into proper perspective, you're paying someone else to rip you off, not paying for a product you will get utility out of.
I like your style
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I know this has and always will be discussed here .....
But Ben Pakulski says that BCAA is the number one sup in the top 5 Muscle growth list .
Do you agree ? Do you use it regularly ?
WooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH
For somone like him who is juiced to the gills they are a convenient way to get more protein. The drugs enable him to utilize it.
For natties they are no better than eggs or any other complete protein source. The idea of needing excess amounts of protein is worthless for natties.
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Waste of money. BCAA's are like the "fuel additive" you buy for your car. Does it help? Yes, but to a micro degree most likely. But look at the price, a gallon of it would be 10x (or more) the cost of a gallon of gas. Despite the high price and hype, unlike gas, you can't run your car off it.
BCAA's are the same way. They help but hardly to any noticeable degree. And despite the high price, they can never replace food or simple whey. Think of it like this, if you locked two people in a room for 30 days, one with water and BCAAs and the other with water and whey, only one would (most likely) be alive at the end.
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Doing some quick math, the same amount of money spent in testoviron, will held 100 times better results.
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your gut turns food into bcaas via enzymes , chemical reactions ect
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go4it has a good point you can go to sams club and get 8 lbs of chicken breast for 16 bucks
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Eat natural foods, get enough plant based fiber, take in 1-1.5 gms of protein a day per pound bodyweight, take in more natural fats than carbs and stay away from refined carbs. Lift weights and get sufficient sleep each night. No such thing as a magic supplement unless you have a genetic deficiency or a disease.
That’s all you can really do as a natural bodybuilder. Not that different from a drug assisted bodybuilder except they have more tolerance to heavy training and a less strict diet. And of course they will get bigger and faster.
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go4it has a good point you can go to sams club and get 8 lbs of chicken breast for 16 bucks
Because that's not practical for most. Most people have jobs, don't have time to eat whole food meals, etc. Sure, solid meals are preferable but that's what supplements are for.
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your gut turns food into bcaas via enzymes , chemical reactions ect
True. So why eat aminos from the jar? What is the timeframe difference between food vs amino drinks? Well, you don't need to digest the amino drinks, they are absorbed much faster than your gut can process your food, and this is only real reason to use amino drinks. That is only reason why there is supplements to use, you dumb fuck. You get what you need, but faster than you can get it from food. You see, that anabolic window is a fackt, so there is timeframe what and when you should do to optimize your development.
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For muscle growth it's probably not ideal
to train "on empty", and Milos' idea of having
amino acids in the blood during training probably has
something to it, along with the idea of having elevated
insulin levels (even if just through food). There are several
theoretical reasons for this, some supported by science. But this is what I was going to say: if you typically have a protein shake after training it's better to have it *before* the session especially if it was several hours since you ate before the workout. Whey digests at something like 7g/hour so having a shake say 30 minutes before will elevate blood levels during as well as after training. It can't hurt.
But none of this micromanagement matters if you don't work hard.
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Because that's not practical for most. Most people have jobs, don't have time to eat whole food meals, etc. Sure, solid meals are preferable but that's what supplements are for.
When I use to work at a nutrition store (Vitamin Shoppe) the district manager once asked me what I thought was the best reason I should tell the customers why they should use supplements. I answered with one word: "Convenience."
Not everybody, in fact, few people have, the luxury to make an omelet with vegetables and cheese, along with potatoes and fruit for breakfast. It would be great to have nice nutritious meals throughout the day. But sometimes you just need to throw some frozen strawberries, banana, protein powder, fiber and a bit of Olive oil in a blender and just down that sucker in a New York minute.
BTW, the DM did not like my answer.
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When I use to work at a nutrition store (Vitamin Shoppe) the district manager once asked me what I thought was the best reason I should tell the customers why they should use supplements. I answered with one word: "Convenience."
Not everybody, in fact, few people have, the luxury to make an omelet with vegetables and cheese, along with potatoes and fruit for breakfast. It would be great to have nice nutritious meals throughout the day. But sometimes you just need to throw some frozen strawberries, banana, protein powder, fiber and a bit of Olive oil in a blender and just down that sucker in a New York minute.
BTW, the DM did not like my answer.
Agree. Convenience.
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When I use to work at a nutrition store (Vitamin Shoppe) the district manager once asked me what I thought was the best reason I should tell the customers why they should use supplements. I answered with one word: "Convenience."
Not everybody, in fact, few people have, the luxury to make an omelet with vegetables and cheese, along with potatoes and fruit for breakfast. It would be great to have nice nutritious meals throughout the day. But sometimes you just need to throw some frozen strawberries, banana, protein powder, fiber and a bit of Olive oil in a blender and just down that sucker in a New York minute.
BTW, the DM did not like my answer.
perfectly good answer IMO, i suspect he wanted you to sell the idea of a magic pill but even today for a lot of customers surely convenience is a perfectly good reason to buy
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.. The real list; whole foods & PEDs
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Because that's not practical for most. Most people have jobs, don't have time to eat whole food meals, etc. Sure, solid meals are preferable but that's what supplements are for.
lame excuse, it is easy to meal prep takes a few hrs at best i have a job , and i do it .
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lame excuse, it is easy to meal prep takes a few hrs at best i have a job , and i do it .
I'm with Coach 100%. I'm not sure what kind of job you have and other commitments to your time and you don't know what Coach, I, or anybody else has regarding the demands on our time. But like all things in life, it's about trade-offs, when you do one thing you can't do something else. Sure I can get up an hour early and do "meal prep" but for me, it's not worth it. I'd much rather have that extra hour of sleep by far. My break at work is only 15 minutes. Not enough time for me to even eat a burrito without wolfing it down. I don't wolf, but I can leisurely drink a "Lean Body" or whatever and still chat with my fellow workers.
I know, and prove, that when all is said and done, it's going to make zero difference in my physique and health, whether I have a balanced breakfast or a protein smoothie. As long as my body is getting the adequate macronutrients as well as vitamins and minerals I'm good. Time is very, very important to me and I would like to minimize "meal prep" time in favor of other things in life. Also, I hate cooking and doing dishes.
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Some people still do not understand or refuse to believe that whey protein is food or that it can be a "better" source
of protein than some solid foods. Sure, foods like eggs contain nutrients such as choline, b-vitamins, vit D, selenium and so on. But say you compare whey to tuna
or vegetarian sources of protein? Whey is a food and one of the best sources of protein there is - looking at it from some aspects it's better than many other sources most look at as "real food". Look at infant formulas or medical foods in powder/liquid form used in hospitals for sick people. Whey features heavily. Whey is not just a much inferior, but more convenient, source of protein than some solid foods, it's better. Some drink liquid egg whites thinking it better. But how is it better with a 50% bioavailability compared to close to 100% with whey?
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Some people still do not understand or refuse to believe that whey protein is food or that it can be a "better" source
of protein than some solid foods. Sure, foods like eggs contain nutrients such as choline, b-vitamins, vit D, selenium and so on. But say you compare whey to tuna
or vegetarian sources of protein? Whey is a food and one of the best sources of protein there is - looking at it from some aspects it's better than many other sources most look at as "real food". Look at infant formulas or medical foods in powder/liquid form used in hospitals for sick people. Whey features heavily. Whey is not just a much inferior, but more convenient, source of protein than some solid foods, it's better. Some drink liquid egg whites thinking it better. But how is it better with a 50% bioavailability compared to close to 100% with whey?
Always breaking things down to common sense. I never got this concept of "real food". Is whey or casein unreal?
Some months ago I was buying a Muscle Milk while in the gym. The guy behinds ask, "So does that stuff work?"
I reply, "What do you mean?"
"You know, does it help put on muscle?"
"Brah, It's just food. Food in liquid form. Protein, carbs and fat. It's like asking me
if a Jumbo Jack 'works'".
"Well, I just figured..., you know, because they sell it in a gym....?"
"That's why I'm buying it. They don't have Jumbo Jacks here."
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Some people still do not understand or refuse to believe that whey protein is food or that it can be a "better" source
of protein than some solid foods. Sure, foods like eggs contain nutrients such as choline, b-vitamins, vit D, selenium and so on. But say you compare whey to tuna
or vegetarian sources of protein? Whey is a food and one of the best sources of protein there is - looking at it from some aspects it's better than many other sources most look at as "real food". Look at infant formulas or medical foods in powder/liquid form used in hospitals for sick people. Whey features heavily. Whey is not just a much inferior, but more convenient, source of protein than some solid foods, it's better. Some drink liquid egg whites thinking it better. But how is it better with a 50% bioavailability compared to close to 100% with whey?
Come on man, first off theres no assurance what is on the label of whey is actually in the bottle, second they have tons of artificial sweeteners and fillers, three theres studies showing they contain heavy metals. Hospitals serve the worst food dude, powdered eggs, sandwiches, Ensure, so them serving whey to patients doesn't make it some supreme healing food. Maybe for a convenience standpoint, but if you are going the dairy route, why not just drink real milk, or have Greek yogurt or cottage cheese..all of these are just as easy to transport with you to wherever you are going and require no preparation.
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Come on man, first off theres no assurance what is on the label of whey is actually in the bottle, second they have tons of artificial sweeteners and fillers, three theres studies showing they contain heavy metals. Hospitals serve the worst food dude, powdered eggs, sandwiches, Ensure, so them serving whey to patients doesn't make it some supreme healing food. Maybe for a convenience standpoint, but if you are going the dairy route, why not just drink real milk, or have Greek yogurt or cottage cheese..all of these are just as easy to transport with you to wherever you are going and require no preparation.
Agreed.
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Come on man, first off theres no assurance what is on the label of whey is actually in the bottle, second they have tons of artificial sweeteners and fillers, three theres studies showing they contain heavy metals. Hospitals serve the worst food dude, powdered eggs, sandwiches, Ensure, so them serving whey to patients doesn't make it some supreme healing food. Maybe for a convenience standpoint, but if you are going the dairy route, why not just drink real milk, or have Greek yogurt or cottage cheese..all of these are just as easy to transport with you to wherever you are going and require no preparation.
You have no idea what you are talking about. I'm not talking about the hospital cafeteria. I'm talking about medical foods that are prescribed to say cancer patients who can hardly eat due to chemo etc. As well as infant formulas where it's critical you get what's on the label.
Labeled brand name bodybuilding supplements are often mislabeled, true, but it's easy to get quality raws.
As far as artificial sweeteners, I'm positive you can't explain what they are and why they're bad for you. You just assume "man made" is inferior or dangerous.
Why do you trust cottage cheese or yoghurt? They are processed foods and by your logic you have no idea what they have mixed in them. Whey is just as much a food as cottage cheese or yogurt, all are milk products.
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You have no idea what you are talking about. I'm not talking about the hospital cafeteria. I'm talking about medical foods that are prescribed to say cancer patients who can hardly eat due to chemo etc. As well as infant formulas where it's critical you get what's on the label.
Labeled brand name bodybuilding supplements are often mislabeled, true, but it's easy to get quality raws.
As far as artificial sweeteners, I'm positive you can't explain what they are and why they're bad for you. You just assume "man made" is inferior or dangerous.
Why do you trust cottage cheese or yoghurt? They are processed foods and by your logic you have no idea what they have mixed in them. Whey is just as much a food as cottage cheese or yogurt, all are milk products.
Really? I've had family members who were placed in the hospital with cancer and they were feeding them powdered eggs, turkey sandwiches with sides of apple sauce, Ensure "protein drinks" none of them I would consider optimal foods for healing. How many meathead bodybuilders are buying "quality raw" protein powders for sure the dudes in this thread like Pellius aren't, and even if you do get a "quality raw" protein are you drinking it unflavored? If not then again you have to use flavoring systems available to you, most of them artificial sweeteners which are shown to cause, GI distress, gas, stomach distention, and various other issues. And as far as Greek yogurt, cottage cheese or milk, me personally I don't eat any dairy, I can't digest it (lactose intollerence), but at least you know for an absolute fact what is on that label of that gallon of milk is absolutely in it, theres no "protein spiking" and other bullshit which supplement companies add to these powders to make the most profit wise. If I drink a glass of whole milk I know for a fact I'm getting that amount of protein, not to mention I'm not getting any toxic metals in to me as well, which has been documented in a large study done last year in regards to protein powder. So the point is your average gym rat is not getting some "synthetic phamecutical grade" whey protein designed for hospitals they are buying the shit off the shelves.
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I'm natty, only used protein powder in my younger days. It's really all just a waste of money, all these supplements, I eat real food and am at the highest weight I have ever been, I don't need supplements, it's all a scam. If you want growth do roids, anything else is just incomparable and yield no real results.
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You have no idea what you are talking about. I'm not talking about the hospital cafeteria. I'm talking about medical foods that are prescribed to say cancer patients who can hardly eat due to chemo etc. As well as infant formulas where it's critical you get what's on the label.
Labeled brand name bodybuilding supplements are often mislabeled, true, but it's easy to get quality raws.
As far as artificial sweeteners, I'm positive you can't explain what they are and why they're bad for you. You just assume "man made" is inferior or dangerous.
Why do you trust cottage cheese or yoghurt? They are processed foods and by your logic you have no idea what they have mixed in them. Whey is just as much a food as cottage cheese or yogurt, all are milk products.
fucking lol at comparing a completely unregulated, notably criminal, largely sourced from china industry products to a highly regulated locally produced industry products ::)
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jjfit laying his cards on the table... and correctly..... train right,,, eat right... sleep right... think right..... no magic pills... and start pinning if you want to push the limit....
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Really? I've had family members who were placed in the hospital with cancer and they were feeding them powdered eggs, turkey sandwiches with sides of apple sauce, Ensure "protein drinks" none of them I would consider optimal foods for healing. How many meathead bodybuilders are buying "quality raw" protein powders for sure the dudes in this thread like Pellius aren't, and even if you do get a "quality raw" protein are you drinking it unflavored? If not then again you have to use flavoring systems available to you, most of them artificial sweeteners which are shown to cause, GI distress, gas, stomach distention, and various other issues. And as far as Greek yogurt, cottage cheese or milk, me personally I don't eat any dairy, I can't digest it (lactose intollerence), but at least you know for an absolute fact what is on that label of that gallon of milk is absolutely in it, theres no "protein spiking" and other bullshit which supplement companies add to these powders to make the most profit wise. If I drink a glass of whole milk I know for a fact I'm getting that amount of protein, not to mention I'm not getting any toxic metals in to me as well, which has been documented in a large study done last year in regards to protein powder. So the point is your average gym rat is not getting some "synthetic phamecutical grade" whey protein designed for hospitals they are buying the shit off the shelves.
I've actually seen a lot of guys such as yourself say they do not trust the milk or meats they buy at supermarkets. They are a bit ignorant imo, but they say the milk and meat is full of antibiotics and hormones. Besides, chicken is injected with water to fool the customer. Red meat has been painted to change the color, different cuts have been glued together and so on.
That's why some health freaks buy their milk and meat at local farms, grass fed beef and unpasteurized raw milk.
Now, if whey contains heavy metals then the milk and cheese from the same farm should contain it too. You do know whey is a byproduct of cheesemaking? Whey used to be something thrown away.
Yes, I know whey may come from China but it may also come from the US or New Zealand etc.
Whey has antiinflammatory and antioxidant effects so it can be a great healing food. There are some who have allergies to either lactose or certain protein fractions in whey so that can be a problem.
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Supplements are a fucking joke. All of them. EAA's and creatine might have a little merit, but only if used intraworkout with insulin to shuttle them in the muscle cells, otherwise don't bother with them either.
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Supplements are a fucking joke. All of them. EAA's and creatine might have a little merit, but only if used intraworkout with insulin to shuttle them in the muscle cells, otherwise don't bother with them either.
You have zero clue of what you’re talking about.....just like your politics
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Supplements are a fucking joke. All of them. EAA's and creatine might have a little merit, but only if used intraworkout with insulin to shuttle them in the muscle cells, otherwise don't bother with them either.
That's like saying you don't need protein unless you use insulin. EAAs are just protein, hard to know if they are any "better" than a regular protein with both EAAs and NEAAs, with or without insulin. Some use hydrolyzed protein peptides with insulin - peptides can actually be faster absorbed than free form aminos. Most of the bodybuilding brand EAAs are mostly BCAAs dusted with the other aminos... might be way inferior, unbalanced (a hunch on my part).
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Supplements are a fucking joke. All of them. EAA's and creatine might have a little merit, but only if used intraworkout with insulin to shuttle them in the muscle cells, otherwise don't bother with them either.
And ignorance is a bliss, yes I know your kind of guys. Let me repeat, try to understand: What is the timeframe difference between food vs amino drinks, if you study how your body absorb what you throw in it? Well, you don't need to digest the amino drinks, they are absorbed much faster than your gut can process your food, and this is only real reason to use amino drinks. That is only reason why there is supplements to use, you dumb fuck. You get what you need, but faster than you can get it from food. You see, that anabolic window is a fact, so there is timeframe what and when you should do to optimize your development..
And yes, EAA is just a protein, just like an eggwhite etc. Difference is that it is protein in it's purest form, it has only amino acicds of the protein, nothing else. It means that your body will absorb it many times faster than it would take to get same amount of these aminos from food.
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Supplements are a fucking joke. All of them. EAA's and creatine might have a little merit, but only if used intraworkout with insulin to shuttle them in the muscle cells, otherwise don't bother with them either.
I was stuck in traffic and wasn't going have time to eat. While sitting there in my car I had a couple of Quest bars. Total protein: 40 grams, sugar: 2grams, fiber: 20 grams, fat: 12 grams, calories: 340.
So where's the joke? Would I have been better off just eating nothing? If I had time to eat I would have gotten fast food like I always do. Qp w/cheese, Jumbo Jack, or Whooper with fries. Maybe go the plate lunch route and go with Chicken Katsu, with rice and mac salad. Would that be better?
It's just food, brah. Supplements when you can't have a meal. I never get why people get so worked up over nutritional supplements. There's not a single person I've ever met who are vehemently against all nutritional supplements that ever looked good or in shape. With men, they always have the belt of flab on their gut and for women, they have that bell ass and cottage cheese triceps. Of course, there are some that never use nutritional supps and look great but they aren't involved in the cult and it's a non-issue with them -- and they are young.
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P.T. Barnum, TV evangelists, and Joe Weider count(ed) on this.
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I've worked with 2 coaches since I started competing, one is an IFBB pro, the other has trained numerous champion bodybuilder and physique competitors. Neither one of them recommended a protein or bcaa supplement. The first coach only supplement used in prep was Aqualyze as a diuretic before the show, in fact when I first hired him he asked me what supplements I was using, I told him a pre workout and Isopure with Vitargo post workout, he immediately took those out first day we started. Second coach only supplements he recommended was Cardarine pre cardio and Magnum (glucose disposal agent) with my carb meals. There was no Bcaa's before fasted cardio or intra workout, no whey hydrosolate post workout, just food.
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I've worked with 2 coaches since I started competing, one is an IFBB pro, the other has trained numerous champion bodybuilder and physique competitors. Neither one of them recommended a protein or bcaa supplement. The first coach only supplement used in prep was Aqualyze as a diuretic before the show, in fact when I first hired him he asked me what supplements I was using, I told him a pre workout and Isopure with Vitargo post workout, he immediately took those out first day we started. Second coach only supplements he recommended was Cardarine pre cardio and Magnum (glucose disposal agent) with my carb meals. There was no Bcaa's before fasted cardio or intra workout, no whey hydrosolate post workout, just food.
For how long were you using the preworkout ? and didn't you feel "tired" lazy after stopping them ?
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHH
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I've worked with 2 coaches since I started competing, one is an IFBB pro, the other has trained numerous champion bodybuilder and physique competitors. Neither one of them recommended a protein or bcaa supplement. The first coach only supplement used in prep was Aqualyze as a diuretic before the show, in fact when I first hired him he asked me what supplements I was using, I told him a pre workout and Isopure with Vitargo post workout, he immediately took those out first day we started. Second coach only supplements he recommended was Cardarine pre cardio and Magnum (glucose disposal agent) with my carb meals. There was no Bcaa's before fasted cardio or intra workout, no whey hydrosolate post workout, just food.
So what? Are you saying that because you didn't need any supplements, no one needs them? But how exactly you know how much you would have benefit from them? Instead of aminos etc. they sell you some snake oil aka "glucose disposal agent" bro science bullshit, and you are happy about that? ;D
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Ever watched a video of how these RTD protein drinks are made? After watching the process, you have to wonder exactly how much nutritional value is in the "sludge" that it is reduced to in the carton.
The heating process and other crap has to leave it severely denatured by the time you received it.
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I've worked with 2 coaches since I started competing, one is an IFBB pro, the other has trained numerous champion bodybuilder and physique competitors. Neither one of them recommended a protein or bcaa supplement. The first coach only supplement used in prep was Aqualyze as a diuretic before the show, in fact when I first hired him he asked me what supplements I was using, I told him a pre workout and Isopure with Vitargo post workout, he immediately took those out first day we started. Second coach only supplements he recommended was Cardarine pre cardio and Magnum (glucose disposal agent) with my carb meals. There was no Bcaa's before fasted cardio or intra workout, no whey hydrosolate post workout, just food.
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Cardarine is a designer drug, not a supplement.
A lot of the top coaches recommend BCAAs, which I think are way inferior to complete whole food protein sources or EAAs. I don't think supplements are needed at all, don't get me wrong, however the research says whey is a good source of protein. I mean human breast milk is mostly whey, of which 40% is a-lactoglobulin :D And if infants are fed with breast milk substitute, which contain even more protein, they grow still more.
Mislabeled supplements are a huge problem for sure but it's not impossible to source whey which you can be fairly sure matches the specs pretty well.
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Ok answer me this, would you eat a bowl of spinach if you weren't absolutely sure it contained all the vitamins, minerals, and fiber? Would you use Macadamia nut oil if you weren't absolutely sure it was legit?
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lame excuse, it is easy to meal prep takes a few hrs at best i have a job , and i do it .
A job is just an example, Most people do have jobs but most people don't have the luxury of eating 5-6 whole food meals at their desk, on a construction site, or whatever job they might have and most people aren't going prep 20-24 meals a week consistently at one time or even twice a week. It's a pain in the ass.
I'm not referring to the competitive bodybuilders. My feeling is, if you're going to compete, you don't go in half-assed which means you HAVE to make the time to meal prep. I'm referring to the general population.
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A job is just an example, Most people do have jobs but most people don't have the luxury of eating 5-6 whole food meals at their desk, on a construction site, or whatever job they might have and most people aren't going prep 20-24 meals a week consistently at one time or even twice a week. It's a pain in the ass.
I'm not referring to the competitive bodybuilders. My feeling is, if you're going to compete, you don't go in half-assed which means you HAVE to make the time to meal prep. I'm referring to the general population.
Lol, dude I was a brick layer throughout my college career, I brought cans of tuna, hard boiled eggs and a loaf of ezikiel bread for my meals, in my car for the ride home I always had bananas and a bag of almonds for the commute back home stuck in traffic, the whole crew would bust my balls like crazy, they would be eating Burger King, Dunkin Doughnuts, tacos from the taco trucks, and I would just sit there and eat my food. Look if protein powder was regulated by the FDA, I would have no problem with it, but I have a problem with thinking I'm getting 25 grams of protein per scoop of something and in all actuality I'm getting 8. This is the reason I stopped using olive oil, the majority of it is bunk, they found that 69% of all store bought olive oil in the US is fake.
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it has some potential as pre-workout on an empty stomach after 12-14 hour fast (sleep included) during the dieting phase as anti-catabolic, otherwise, useless
14 hours of sleep? Then get up...go to gym...End up going 16 hours or so with no food in an attempt to reduce catabolism via leucine?
There might be better anti catabolic strategies...Although Im jealous of those that can sleep 14 hours while dieting.
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Lol, dude I was a brick layer throughout my college career, I brought cans of tuna, hard boiled eggs and a loaf of ezikiel bread for my meals, in my car for the ride home I always had bananas and a bag of almonds for the commute back home stuck in traffic, the whole crew would bust my balls like crazy, they would be eating Burger King, Dunkin Doughnuts, tacos from the taco trucks, and I would just sit there and eat my food. Look if protein powder was regulated by the FDA, I would have no problem with it, but I have a problem with thinking I'm getting 25 grams of protein per scoop of something and in all actuality I'm getting 8. This is the reason I stopped using olive oil, the majority of it is bunk, they found that 69% of all store bought olive oil in the US is fake.
You're the exception. Before I got into training full time, I was in the commercial roofing industry for 20+ years while still training people for shows on the side. At 18, while in school, I started out as a grunt on tear-off crews, went through all of the stages of apprenticeship, then journeymen, sub-foreman, then foreman and superintendent all for Union shops, then went on to being a contractor, commercial roof consultant, systems designer and inspector for all of the GM and Ford plants throughout the mid-west.
Why do I say this? Because I know how the construction industry works. I brought all of my food as well, but in construction, you're on a time schedule. You eat on your breaks and at lunch. In our case, we had so much time to lay so many squares in a day and most of the time it was one 15 min break and one 30-45min lunch. In other words, you can't get all of your meals in...in comes the supps, No foremen that I know of that's worth a shit will allow a worker to take other meal breaks for the sake of bettering their physique, but if you have a shake or two in your cooler, when you take your quick water break, that there is plenty of time to get those shakes down, this solves the problem of missing meals.
Now, in defense of the guys eating the shit food at lunch. I get it and have no problem with it especially when production output has to be high. Is it recommended, of course not but in my case, once in a while when I was pulling a felt machine for 10,000sqrs with the roof temp at 160-170 degree using 550 degree tar. the last thing on my mind is if I'm going to make the choice between chicken or fish.
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You're the exception. Before I got into training full time, I was in the commercial roofing industry for 20+ years while still training people for shows on the side. At 18, while in school, I started out as a grunt on tear-off crews, went through all of the stages of apprenticeship, then journeymen, sub-foreman, then foreman and superintendent all for Union shops, then went on to being a contractor, commercial roof consultant, systems designer and inspector for all of the GM and Ford plants throughout the mid-west.
Why do I say this? Because I know how the construction industry works. I brought all of my food as well, but in construction, you're on a time schedule. You eat on your breaks and at lunch. In our case, we had so much time to lay so many squares in a day and most of the time it was one 15 min break and one 30-45min lunch. In other words, you can't get all of your meals in...in comes the supps, No foremen that I know of that's worth a shit will allow a worker to take other meal breaks for the sake of bettering their physique, but if you have a shake or two in your cooler, when you take your quick water break, that there is plenty of time to get those shakes down, this solves the problem of missing meals.
Now, in defense of the guys eating the shit food at lunch. I get it and have no problem with it especially when production output has to be high. Is it recommended, of course not but in my case, once in a while when I was pulling a felt machine for 10,000sqrs with the roof temp at 160-170 degree using 550 degree tar. the last thing on my mind is if I'm going to make the choice between chicken or fish.
That's cool you did that type of work, never knew this about you. But I agree with the small breaks, we had two 15 min breaks (smoke) and 1 half hour break (lunch), you have to learn how to wolf down food and be able to function quickly after with food in your stomach. It's doable, but I agree it takes some serious dedication to do it. Working construction was a great experience lots of funny ball busting going on, funny side note: never drank coffee or smoked a cigarette until I started working construction, it's just something that comes with the gig.
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So what? Are you saying that because you didn't need any supplements, no one needs them? But how exactly you know how much you would have benefit from them? Instead of aminos etc. they sell you some snake oil aka "glucose disposal agent" bro science bullshit, and you are happy about that? ;D
Cool of Mantula, how is life in Finlandistan 8)
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Ok answer me this, would you eat a bowl of spinach if you weren't absolutely sure it contained all the vitamins, minerals, and fiber? Would you use Macadamia nut oil if you weren't absolutely sure it was legit?
:D ;D
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Lol, dude I was a brick layer throughout my college career, I brought cans of tuna, hard boiled eggs and a loaf of ezikiel bread for my meals, in my car for the ride home I always had bananas and a bag of almonds for the commute back home stuck in traffic, the whole crew would bust my balls like crazy, they would be eating Burger King, Dunkin Doughnuts, tacos from the taco trucks, and I would just sit there and eat my food. Look if protein powder was regulated by the FDA, I would have no problem with it, but I have a problem with thinking I'm getting 25 grams of protein per scoop of something and in all actuality I'm getting 8. This is the reason I stopped using olive oil, the majority of it is bunk, they found that 69% of all store bought olive oil in the US is fake.
Do you really think it's that bad? That large, well funded American corporations are just consistently turning out crap? Who is buying all that whey and what are they doing with it? All dietary/nutritional supplements are indeed regulated by the FDA. I use to work in the nutritional industry and they were getting dinged several times a year misrepresenting their products. Same thing with the food industry. It's just not accurate to say the 69% of the olive oil in the US is fake. What kind of country do you think we live in? I know someone who is pretty high up in the Safeway chain and they were part of that lawsuit. The issue was alleged claims that the oil came from Italy when they, in fact, came from different countries throughout the world. Safeway stood fast that their products were not mislabelled but settled anyway. Still, olive oil not coming from Italy is a far cry from being fake.
Yes, it's an ongoing battle with the FDA and the food industry. But it shows that the system works. It cracks me up that so many bodybuilders are such food snobs demanding pristine purity and organic (whatever that means) products measure to the last milligram and then send their money to a hobbyist they know nothing about, have no accountability and with no medical background brewing anabolics in their home while getting raw powders from China who are notorious for poor quality control and cutting corners and this is in the legal market where there are real consequences and not the black market where there are practically zero consequense from selling false, impure and even dangerous drugs and hormones.
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You're the exception. Before I got into training full time, I was in the commercial roofing industry for 20+ years while still training people for shows on the side. At 18, while in school, I started out as a grunt on tear-off crews, went through all of the stages of apprenticeship, then journeymen, sub-foreman, then foreman and superintendent all for Union shops, then went on to being a contractor, commercial roof consultant, systems designer and inspector for all of the GM and Ford plants throughout the mid-west.
Why do I say this? Because I know how the construction industry works. I brought all of my food as well, but in construction, you're on a time schedule. You eat on your breaks and at lunch. In our case, we had so much time to lay so many squares in a day and most of the time it was one 15 min break and one 30-45min lunch. In other words, you can't get all of your meals in...in comes the supps, No foremen that I know of that's worth a shit will allow a worker to take other meal breaks for the sake of bettering their physique, but if you have a shake or two in your cooler, when you take your quick water break, that there is plenty of time to get those shakes down, this solves the problem of missing meals.
Now, in defense of the guys eating the shit food at lunch. I get it and have no problem with it especially when production output has to be high. Is it recommended, of course not but in my case, once in a while when I was pulling a felt machine for 10,000sqrs with the roof temp at 160-170 degree using 550 degree tar. the last thing on my mind is if I'm going to make the choice between chicken or fish.
Wow Coach! I have even more respect for you. I was always under the impression you just kind of fell into the fitness industry because you were involved in it and it slowly took off. Growing into it as the industry started growing I also did my time in construction and it was back breaking labor
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A job is just an example, Most people do have jobs but most people don't have the luxury of eating 5-6 whole food meals at their desk, on a construction site, or whatever job they might have and most people aren't going prep 20-24 meals a week consistently at one time or even twice a week. It's a pain in the ass.
I'm not referring to the competitive bodybuilders. My feeling is, if you're going to compete, you don't go in half-assed which means you HAVE to make the time to meal prep. I'm referring to the general population.
Point well taken a lot of people take the protein shakes to far
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Do you really think it's that bad? That large, well funded American corporations are just consistently turning out crap? Who is buying all that whey and what are they doing with it? All dietary/nutritional supplements are indeed regulated by the FDA. I use to work in the nutritional industry and they were getting dinged several times a year misrepresenting their products. Same thing with the food industry. It's just not accurate to say the 69% of the olive oil in the US is fake. What kind of country do you think we live in? I know someone who is pretty high up in the Safeway chain and they were part of that lawsuit. The issue was alleged claims that the oil came from Italy when they, in fact, came from different countries throughout the world. Safeway stood fast that their products were not mislabelled but settled anyway. Still, olive oil not coming from Italy is a far cry from being fake.
Yes, it's an ongoing battle with the FDA and the food industry. But it shows that the system works. It cracks me up that so many bodybuilders are such food snobs demanding pristine purity and organic (whatever that means) products measure to the last milligram and then send their money to a hobbyist they know nothing about, have no accountability and with no medical background brewing anabolics in their home while getting raw powders from China who are notorious for poor quality control and cutting corners and this is in the legal market where there are real consequences and not the black market where there are practically zero consequense from selling false, impure and even dangerous drugs and hormones.
Tell me how comfortable you feel drinking this stuff, this is just some tid bits from one case study, done by independent lab testing.
-selling products where the protein content falls far below what’s on the label, according to a spate of lawsuits that have cropped up over the past eight months. “Arnold Schwarzenegger Series Iron Mass,” for instance, contains half the protein stated on its label, according to third party testing in one lawsuit; Schwarzenegger is not named as a defendant in the complaint. MusclePharm, which was sued in a California federal court in late January by Ram, Olson, Cereghino and Kopczynski, is only the most recent company under attack for allegedly misleading their customers about just how much protein their products contain.
an array of supplement companies tested by a third-party lab. Results showed some products’ labels significantly overstated the protein content, slipping in amino acids and other substances and claiming them as protein on their labels. But third-party tests, attached to some of the lawsuits, show some companies also fill the tubs with far cheaper free form amino acids like glycine, taurine or leucine as well as other substances like creatine monohydrate, and then portray them as grams of protein on the products’ labels. Certain amino acids are considered the building blocks to protein but they are not protein by themselves, nor do they have the same benefits as complete proteins.
These filler substances can cost less than $1 per pound, allowing companies to undercut competition with lower prices and dupe price-sensitive customers in the process.
For instance, test results showed “Giant Delicious Protein Blend” made by privately held Giant Sports contains only 12 grams of the 27 grams of “High Quality Protein” it advertises, only 44% of the stated amount. Instead, the powdered blend is loaded with leucine, isoleucine, valine, glycine, betaine, taurine and creatine monohydrate.
Similarly, a lab test of MusclePharm’s “Arnold Scharzenegger Series Iron Mass” revealed that just 19 of the promised 40 grams of protein were present, according to exhibits in the lawsuit. Prior to the lab test results, MusclePharm denied over Twitter that it spiked its products.
The lab testing in a lawsuit against publicly traded convenience store and pharmacy chain CVS Health, which generates $140 billion in annual sales, shows that its “Whey Protein Powder” contains 21.8 grams of protein, 16% less than the 26 grams claimed
NBTY was among the first companies sued -- back in July 2014 -- for allegedly underdosing its “Body Fortress Super Advanced Whey Protein,” which, according to the lab tests contained only 21.5 of the 30 grams promised.
Connecticut-based Inner Armour has the most products under scrutiny. Tests of five of its products – “Mass Peak,” “NitroPeak,” “Casein Peak,” “Whey Protein,” and “Super Quad Protein” – came up well short on protein compared with its label claims. For instance, it’s “Mass Peak” product only contained 19 of the 50 grams claimed, and its “Whey Protein” only contained 9 of 24 grams claimed, the tests showed.
This is just one case study amongst many. So sorry I don't feel comfortable ingesting products I have no clue whats in them, not to mention spiking with creatine, perfect scenario for a competitor trying to lean out yet the creatine is making them hold water, or just the everyday guy that wants to get chicks, but can't seem to lose the moon face, never would think it's my creatine spiked protein powder.
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Olive Oil:
A recent study has confirmed over 70% of olive oil sold in the USA markets is fake, cut with other oils like peanut, canola and sunflower. The same brands are sold all over the world, including UK, France, Italy and Spain.
A similar scandal was brought into attention in Italy in 2008, when several police officers were involved in the breakdown known as operation Golden Oil. It was disclosed that 85 oil farms were mixing chlorophyll, chemical colourants and flavours with sunflower and canola to the olive oil, in order to have a cheaper product. Of course the results were awful and the healthy properties of the olive oil were lost.
California University has recently undertaken a study on 124 olive oils and found that over 70% of samples failed the tests.
Failed:
Mezzetta
Carapelli
Pompeian
Primadonna
Mazola
Sasso
Colavita
Star
Antica Badia
Whole Foods
Safeway
Felippo Berio
Coricelli
Bertolli
It’s not possible to tell how pure the oil is just by looking at it. However you can do your own simple test at home: store the bottle in the fridge and, if after 30min it gets solid, it means it is pure and has monounsaturated fats. If it stays liquid, then it’s cut with other cheaper oils.
As there are other ways of cutting the oil (for example mixing new oil with old oil from the previous years) this test would not guarantee the product we are using is a good quality oil.
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Tell me how comfortable you feel drinking this stuff, this is just some tid bits from one case study, done by independent lab testing.
-selling products where the protein content falls far below what’s on the label, according to a spate of lawsuits that have cropped up over the past eight months. “Arnold Schwarzenegger Series Iron Mass,” for instance, contains half the protein stated on its label, according to third party testing in one lawsuit; Schwarzenegger is not named as a defendant in the complaint. MusclePharm, which was sued in a California federal court in late January by Ram, Olson, Cereghino and Kopczynski, is only the most recent company under attack for allegedly misleading their customers about just how much protein their products contain.
an array of supplement companies tested by a third-party lab. Results showed some products’ labels significantly overstated the protein content, slipping in amino acids and other substances and claiming them as protein on their labels. But third-party tests, attached to some of the lawsuits, show some companies also fill the tubs with far cheaper free form amino acids like glycine, taurine or leucine as well as other substances like creatine monohydrate, and then portray them as grams of protein on the products’ labels. Certain amino acids are considered the building blocks to protein but they are not protein by themselves, nor do they have the same benefits as complete proteins.
These filler substances can cost less than $1 per pound, allowing companies to undercut competition with lower prices and dupe price-sensitive customers in the process.
For instance, test results showed “Giant Delicious Protein Blend” made by privately held Giant Sports contains only 12 grams of the 27 grams of “High Quality Protein” it advertises, only 44% of the stated amount. Instead, the powdered blend is loaded with leucine, isoleucine, valine, glycine, betaine, taurine and creatine monohydrate.
Similarly, a lab test of MusclePharm’s “Arnold Scharzenegger Series Iron Mass” revealed that just 19 of the promised 40 grams of protein were present, according to exhibits in the lawsuit. Prior to the lab test results, MusclePharm denied over Twitter that it spiked its products.
The lab testing in a lawsuit against publicly traded convenience store and pharmacy chain CVS Health, which generates $140 billion in annual sales, shows that its “Whey Protein Powder” contains 21.8 grams of protein, 16% less than the 26 grams claimed
NBTY was among the first companies sued -- back in July 2014 -- for allegedly underdosing its “Body Fortress Super Advanced Whey Protein,” which, according to the lab tests contained only 21.5 of the 30 grams promised.
Connecticut-based Inner Armour has the most products under scrutiny. Tests of five of its products – “Mass Peak,” “NitroPeak,” “Casein Peak,” “Whey Protein,” and “Super Quad Protein” – came up well short on protein compared with its label claims. For instance, it’s “Mass Peak” product only contained 19 of the 50 grams claimed, and its “Whey Protein” only contained 9 of 24 grams claimed, the tests showed.
This is just one case study amongst many. So sorry I don't feel comfortable ingesting products I have no clue whats in them, not to mention spiking with creatine, perfect scenario for a competitor trying to lean out yet the creatine is making them hold water, or just the everyday guy that wants to get chicks, but can't seem to lose the moon face, never would think it's my creatine spiked protein powder.
Very comfortable. Been consuming these products, as well as 100 of millions of others, without ill effects. Just because you are being sued does not mean you are guilty.
You are grossly exaggerating the issue. These products have third-party testing constantly. And, yes, some are crap. Just like in EVERY single industry. My cousin is a nurse at Castle hospital and they use a liquid whey protein supplement for their bariatric patients. And they give a list of supplements they have to buy during their recovery. If everything was crap there would be serious consequences. Reputation is everything in this business and if you are in it for the long haul there is not a huge incentive to just turn out complete garbage. Cutting corners, I'm sure. Just turning out a worthless product. That's not how a business is run.
So, again I answered your question directly and honestly. Yes, I feel very comfortable using name brand nutritional products. I've been involved in this longer than you've been alive.
Now you answer my question: how comfortable do you feel using hormones not made in a pharmacy, with literally zero quality control, using products from a country notorious for poor quality control and where cheating and corner cutting is just part of the culture with no consequences -- China?
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Olive Oil:
A recent study has confirmed over 70% of olive oil sold in the USA markets is fake, cut with other oils like peanut, canola and sunflower. The same brands are sold all over the world, including UK, France, Italy and Spain.
A similar scandal was brought into attention in Italy in 2008, when several police officers were involved in the breakdown known as operation Golden Oil. It was disclosed that 85 oil farms were mixing chlorophyll, chemical colourants and flavours with sunflower and canola to the olive oil, in order to have a cheaper product. Of course the results were awful and the healthy properties of the olive oil were lost.
California University has recently undertaken a study on 124 olive oils and found that over 70% of samples failed the tests.
Failed:
Mezzetta
Carapelli
Pompeian
Primadonna
Mazola
Sasso
Colavita
Star
Antica Badia
Whole Foods
Safeway
Felippo Berio
Coricelli
Bertolli
It’s not possible to tell how pure the oil is just by looking at it. However you can do your own simple test at home: store the bottle in the fridge and, if after 30min it gets solid, it means it is pure and has monounsaturated fats. If it stays liquid, then it’s cut with other cheaper oils.
As there are other ways of cutting the oil (for example mixing new oil with old oil from the previous years) this test would not guarantee the product we are using is a good quality oil.
How about posting a source. And how does that not apply to everything? How do you tell "just by looking at it" that you have real butter? How do you know that that ground beef really contains only 10% fat and not 15%? How do you know you are really getting a gallon of gas everytime you fill up your tank. How do know those Papa Johns tomatoes come from the US and not from Mexico like they claim?
By your own admission, you have all your food provided for you. Food meant to fed hundreds of people at a time. Buffets are not known for top or the top quality. When makes you think you are getting pure, unadulterated products that you insist upon?
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whole food is the way to go... skip the bcaa's and put that money towards anavar
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There was a time when I did an experiment on protein shakes. I ate four meals a day with three of them being shakes with 40 grams of protein. The powders I used varied but it would mostly be the store brands of Vitamin World and Vitamin Shopped, deviating only if something was on sale. I decided to just stop with the protein powders. We've survived as a species without them and no reason I can't now. I did this for about two months before I had my blood test. My total protein reading was always on the upper end though mostly a bit over. This time my total protein got a low reading, below the normal reference range.
Because I eat at McDonald's twice a week I may seem very lackadaisical in regard to diet and nutrition. But I've been interested in this subject since I was a teen. Over the decades I've found that it's just not so complicated. McDonald's ground beef, pickles, lettuce... is not any more junk than what you find in the grocery store. "Organic" is bulls hit. Gluten-free is bullshit and only applies to a very small minority. Smaller than the people who are sensitive to peanuts. Low fat -- bullshit. There's really only a few simple rules. The most important is don't overeat. That is the single rule that virtually everybody breaks. People are constantly eating. Constantly. Next, minimize as much as possible sugar. Get enough fiber. At least 10 grams per meal. Use supplements if you have to. Keep things moving. Seems like everyone nowadays over 35 is "backed-up". You see it in that little pooch below their belly button even if they are not fat. Protein is the most important micronutrient. Keep it about 50/50 with carbs but less if you have a tendency to put on weight. Just drink water. Never got why people have evolved to a point where they can only drink soda or some kind of flavored drink. There are others like essential fats (OLIVE OIL, Omega 3...) but I've gone on too long anyway and it's been my experience that when it comes to food, most are not going to change. It's ingrained in them. And they are destined to be fat and insulin resistant.
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I never expect anything on the market to be 100% accurate. But everything in life is a matter of degrees. Sure they contain some amounts of toxins like arsenic, lead, mercury. Broccoli contains arsenic, water contains lead, fish contains mercury. Go4it makes it sound like protein products are utterly worthless. Like they don't even contain protein and if they do it's in such small amounts to make it worthless. Does this comport with common sense? Someone who is serious about wanting to start a nutritional company is going to try to find a way to make an inferior product. To make a whey protein supplement just a fraction of the whey they claim?
The supplement market is watched. We're not some third world country where anything goes. A month never went buy when I worked at Vitamin Shoppe that something had to be pulled because it didn't meet label claims. But even when you look at these claims the amount of error didn't send me into a rage. If a brand claims 30 grams of protein per serving and it's 10% off that's just 3 grams of protein. And with some of the label claims that were deemed inaccurate, there were some that were overdosed. Mass production for things like protein powder isn't produced with mathematical precision nor do they need to be.
https://medium.com/@anthonyroberts/seventy-protein-powder-lab-tests-bpi-mhp-muscle-meds-weider-and-more-fail-e6775135f143
https://labdoor.com/rankings/protein
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I never expect anything on the market to be 100% accurate. But everything in life is a matter of degrees. Sure they contain some amounts of toxins like arsenic, lead, mercury. Broccoli contains arsenic, water contains lead, fish contains mercury. Go4it makes it sound like protein products are utterly worthless. Like they don't even contain protein and if they do it's in such small amounts to make it worthless. Does this comport with common sense? Someone who is serious about wanting to start a nutritional company is going to try to find a way to make an inferior product. To make a whey protein supplement just a fraction of the whey they claim?
The supplement market is watched. We're not some third world country where anything goes. A month never went buy when I worked at Vitamin Shoppe that something had to be pulled because it didn't meet label claims. But even when you look at these claims the amount of error didn't send me into a rage. If a brand claims 30 grams of protein per serving and it's 10% off that's just 3 grams of protein. And with some of the label claims that were deemed inaccurate, there were some that were overdosed. Mass production for things like protein powder isn't produced with mathematical precision nor do they need to be.
https://medium.com/@anthonyroberts/seventy-protein-powder-lab-tests-bpi-mhp-muscle-meds-weider-and-more-fail-e6775135f143
https://labdoor.com/rankings/protein
I've switched to Fairlife milk these days as my protein source, along with the regular chicken/fish/eggs.. Lactose free, filtered and 13g/cup. No need for whey protein
supplements.
fairlife.com (http://fairlife.com)
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Cool of Mantula, how is life in Finlandistan 8)
At least here average people have some intelligence, which absent is quite obvious among you guys. This thread is brilliant example about the wisdom of the getbiggers. Fuck facts, let's live by the beliefs and bullshit, it will be good.. ;D
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At least here average people have some intelligence, which absent is quite obvious among you guys. This thread is brilliant example about the wisdom of the getbiggers. Fuck facts, let's live by the beliefs and bullshit, it will be good.. ;D
The U.S. wasn't founded on facts and rationality. It was based on beliefs and dreams. The bill of rights and the constitution were written as idealistic, even utopian goals for the future, not current or actual political or social mores that prevailed anywhere else in the civilized world. It was a repudiation of everything going on in Europe except for religion. That was and remains stronger here than anywhere else save jungle and desert countries.
You end up being slightly wonky in the head if you live here, because everything is so bright, loud, extreme, politically and socially divided, fast, sprawling/huge, shinier and more intense than any other country. A not insignificant proportion of immigrants from many countries unfamiliar with these truisms, who came to America from lands obviously not related to it, either left within 2 years of arriving or went insane somehow. Americans are unique in the world for how they see the rest of the world and their own purpose within in.
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Snopes checked out the "fake" olive oil controversy.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/olive-foil/
'WHAT'S TRUE
Testing carried out in 2008 and 2010 reported that some popular olive oil brands did not meet the criteria to be labeled as "extra virgin."
WHAT'S FALSE
Tests did not show that 69% of the olive oil sold in the U.S. is made wholly or primarily from something other than olives.
ORIGIN
In early March 2015, an article titled “Fake Olive Oil: What You Need to Know [Now]” began circulating via social media, focusing on the health benefits of olive oil and making the claim that 69% of store-bought olive oils are “probably fake.”
Predictably the claim was well-circulated among health buffs, as olive oil is prized for its status as a heart-healthy food. The prospect of counterfeit olive oil caused many diners to wonder what might be lurking in their bottles of Bertolli and whether there was cause for concern over adulterants and impurities.
Given the wording of that article, it was difficult to determine how a study might identify a specific proportion (not “about 70%”, but precisely 69%) of store-bought olive oil, yet only arrive at the partial conclusion that the referenced percentage of oils was “probably fake”:'
"While tests carried out on olive oil between 2008 and 2010 revealed that many store-vended oils did not meet the criteria set by regulatory agencies for the “extra virgin” label, the testing did not determine that the oils were “fake” in the sense of not being made from olives."
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Now you answer my question: how comfortable do you feel using hormones not made in a pharmacy, with literally zero quality control, using products from a country notorious for poor quality control and where cheating and corner cutting is just part of the culture with no consequences -- China?
Oh my!
Next we'll be talking about "fake natties".
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Snopes checked out the "fake" olive oil controversy.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/olive-foil/
'WHAT'S TRUE
Testing carried out in 2008 and 2010 reported that some popular olive oil brands did not meet the criteria to be labeled as "extra virgin."
WHAT'S FALSE
Tests did not show that 69% of the olive oil sold in the U.S. is made wholly or primarily from something other than olives.
ORIGIN
In early March 2015, an article titled “Fake Olive Oil: What You Need to Know [Now]” began circulating via social media, focusing on the health benefits of olive oil and making the claim that 69% of store-bought olive oils are “probably fake.”
Predictably the claim was well-circulated among health buffs, as olive oil is prized for its status as a heart-healthy food. The prospect of counterfeit olive oil caused many diners to wonder what might be lurking in their bottles of Bertolli and whether there was cause for concern over adulterants and impurities.
Given the wording of that article, it was difficult to determine how a study might identify a specific proportion (not “about 70%”, but precisely 69%) of store-bought olive oil, yet only arrive at the partial conclusion that the referenced percentage of oils was “probably fake”:'
"While tests carried out on olive oil between 2008 and 2010 revealed that many store-vended oils did not meet the criteria set by regulatory agencies for the “extra virgin” label, the testing did not determine that the oils were “fake” in the sense of not being made from olives."
Yes, and with all these claims you have to ask yourself does this comport with common sense. Why would an established company start intentionally turning out fake products?
They know that reputation is everything and once you lose it it's a tough road to get it back. Of course, there are always going to be issues in production and things get royally fucked up -- even turning out stuff that is practically poison. But those are recalled and the situation resolved. The idea that in this day and age, where things are so closely watch, that any legit company would think they could pull something like this over the public and not get caught. This is not to say that many will cut corners if they think they can get away with it. The MHP "Up Your Mass" was originally a great product I use to consume eagerly for years but then they started changing it. Same packaging but an entirely different product. Suddenly the fiber that came from oats and barley were gone and the fiber content went from 15 grams/serving to something like 3 grams and the sugar increased from just to few grams to something like 20 or 30. More soy protein was substituted for whey. It was a slow transition and as the price stayed the same the quality got lower and lower.
So I'm saying anybody is a saint. A business always wants to maximize profits. You just have to keep a sharp eye on them.
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Very comfortable. Been consuming these products, as well as 100 of millions of others, without ill effects. Just because you are being sued does not mean you are guilty.
You are grossly exaggerating the issue. These products have third-party testing constantly. And, yes, some are crap. Just like in EVERY single industry. My cousin is a nurse at Castle hospital and they use a liquid whey protein supplement for their bariatric patients. And they give a list of supplements they have to buy during their recovery. If everything was crap there would be serious consequences. Reputation is everything in this business and if you are in it for the long haul there is not a huge incentive to just turn out complete garbage. Cutting corners, I'm sure. Just turning out a worthless product. That's not how a business is run.
So, again I answered your question directly and honestly. Yes, I feel very comfortable using name brand nutritional products. I've been involved in this longer than you've been alive.
Now you answer my question: how comfortable do you feel using hormones not made in a pharmacy, with literally zero quality control, using products from a country notorious for poor quality control and where cheating and corner cutting is just part of the culture with no consequences -- China?
Lol, bro you see how meticulous I am about what I eat, you honestly think I would put something in my body from some random lab made in China? You obviously don't know me and how much I value the quality of my life and my health, if I were to persue going the hormonal route, I would definitely spare no expense to doing things properly with the highest quality, and under the proper guidance.
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So, again I answered your question directly and honestly. Yes, I feel very comfortable using name brand nutritional products. I've been involved in this longer than you've been alive.
Why do people think that because they have been doing something a long time that they are an expert or their opinion is somehow elevated?
Many name brand nutritional products made in the US over the years have been garbage- of course they have been produced under strict quality control, lol. Just take a look at "energy bars", for example:
https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/modern-foods/hyperbole-meets-high-tech-slick-sales-talk-and-modern-energy-bars/
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You have zero clue of what you’re talking about.....just like your politics
I make you look like shit. You don't have a fucking clue about anything. The fact that you support Trump and watch Fox News says it all. Supplements are a fucking joke, always have been. My guess is you are trying to peddle some bullshit to your supposed athletes you train.
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I was stuck in traffic and wasn't going have time to eat. While sitting there in my car I had a couple of Quest bars. Total protein: 40 grams, sugar: 2grams, fiber: 20 grams, fat: 12 grams, calories: 340.
So where's the joke? Would I have been better off just eating nothing? If I had time to eat I would have gotten fast food like I always do. Qp w/cheese, Jumbo Jack, or Whooper with fries. Maybe go the plate lunch route and go with Chicken Katsu, with rice and mac salad. Would that be better?
It's just food, brah. Supplements when you can't have a meal. I never get why people get so worked up over nutritional supplements. There's not a single person I've ever met who are vehemently against all nutritional supplements that ever looked good or in shape. With men, they always have the belt of flab on their gut and for women, they have that bell ass and cottage cheese triceps. Of course, there are some that never use nutritional supps and look great but they aren't involved in the cult and it's a non-issue with them -- and they are young.
Mix up some liquid egg whites, oatmeal, or something else in a shake and drink it. Much better quality than a piece of shit quest bar. Much cheaper, and how long does it take to drink? Shorter amount of time than eating that bar. I guarantee you that quest bar doesn't contain what is on the label, just like most other supplements.
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And ignorance is a bliss, yes I know your kind of guys. Let me repeat, try to understand: What is the timeframe difference between food vs amino drinks, if you study how your body absorb what you throw in it? Well, you don't need to digest the amino drinks, they are absorbed much faster than your gut can process your food, and this is only real reason to use amino drinks. That is only reason why there is supplements to use, you dumb fuck. You get what you need, but faster than you can get it from food. You see, that anabolic window is a fact, so there is timeframe what and when you should do to optimize your development..
And yes, EAA is just a protein, just like an eggwhite etc. Difference is that it is protein in it's purest form, it has only amino acicds of the protein, nothing else. It means that your body will absorb it many times faster than it would take to get same amount of these aminos from food.
The only time I would care about having EAA's or something to absorb fast is intraworkout, or post workout. Otherwise it is not needed. Ignorance is bliss, yeah in your case it is. Supplements are a joke, not regulated, so who knows what the hell is in them, if anything. Liquid egg whites, good quality food are all that is needed.
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all "supplements"... every single one
Is a waste of money
eat food
be healthy
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Lol, bro you see how meticulous I am about what I eat, you honestly think I would put something in my body from some random lab made in China? You obviously don't know me and how much I value the quality of my life and my health, if I were to persue going the hormonal route, I would definitely spare no expense to doing things properly with the highest quality, and under the proper guidance.
Of course I don't know you. I only know a small facet of your persona that you present on this board in writing. You asked me a direct, honest and fair question and I responded in kind. No lecture about how you should know me, how I value life and health.... and I'm sure Heath and Dexer spare no expense when it comes to hormones. You know some pros, their gear comes from the same place as gym rats. There's no special market for pros where they get the good stuff. There's a special market for those with the cash.
But you still haven't answered my question and danced around it. You told me that you value the quality of your life and health, that if you used hormones you would spare no expense, use the highest quality and with proper guidance. I believe, from what little I know of you on this board, that those principles would apply to everything you do in life.
It just doesn't answer the question if you use, or have used, AAS or various peptides. I believe if you do, you would do it properly, it just that you haven't answered the question if you do.
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Why do people think that because they have been doing something a long time that they are an expert or their opinion is somehow elevated?
Many name brand nutritional products made in the US over the years have been garbage- of course they have been produced under strict quality control, lol. Just take a look at "energy bars", for example:
https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/modern-foods/hyperbole-meets-high-tech-slick-sales-talk-and-modern-energy-bars/
Why? Why is experience valued and of value? I have to explain that to you? If someone has been doing MMA for 20 years versus two weeks you don't think that is a factor? Nobody said it made you an expert but experience counts and has value. There are some things you learn just by experience. I'll leave it your personal honesty and integrity to answer that question you posed.
I made it clear that the market tries to push crap on customers all the time. The very reason that literally every month we had to pull a product off the shelves for not meeting label claims. But just because some things are crap doesn't mean all things are crap. As I said, it's a constant battle. And it applies to everything you buy. From the gas you put in your car to the shirt you wear on your back.
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Of course I don't know you. I only know a small facet of your persona that you present on this board in writing. You asked me a direct, honest and fair question and I responded in kind. No lecture about how you should know me, how I value life and health.... and I'm sure Heath and Dexer spare no expense when it comes to hormones. You know some pros, their gear comes from the same place as gym rats. There's no special market for pros where they get the good stuff. There's a special market for those with the cash.
But you still haven't answered my question and danced around it. You told me that you value the quality of your life and health, that if you used hormones you would spare no expense, use the highest quality and with proper guidance. I believe, from what little I know of you on this board, that those principles would apply to everything you do in life.
It just doesn't answer the question if you use, or have used, AAS or various peptides. I believe if you do, you would do it properly, it just that you haven't answered the question if you do.
Do you really think he's going to openly discuss his gear use? If he's using or not I could care less, one thing I will say is he has a clean look, no acne, bloat, purple face, hair loss, possibly going to the same doc as Mike Ohearn.
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Lol, bro you see how meticulous I am about what I eat, you honestly think I would put something in my body from some random lab made in China? You obviously don't know me and how much I value the quality of my life and my health, if I were to persue going the hormonal route, I would definitely spare no expense to doing things properly with the highest quality, and under the proper guidance.
So you didn't take the Cardarine? Which pharmaceutical facility made it? Do you know why research on it was halted?
You never took any hormones? Lol. Proper guidance? You mean the coach who told you to take Cardarine?
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all "supplements"... every single one
Is a waste of money
eat food
be healthy
You’ve read not one post in this thread before this, have you?
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Of course I don't know you. I only know a small facet of your persona that you present on this board in writing. You asked me a direct, honest and fair question and I responded in kind. No lecture about how you should know me, how I value life and health.... and I'm sure Heath and Dexer spare no expense when it comes to hormones. You know some pros, their gear comes from the same place as gym rats. There's no special market for pros where they get the good stuff. There's a special market for those with the cash.
But you still haven't answered my question and danced around it. You told me that you value the quality of your life and health, that if you used hormones you would spare no expense, use the highest quality and with proper guidance. I believe, from what little I know of you on this board, that those principles would apply to everything you do in life.
It just doesn't answer the question if you use, or have used, AAS or various peptides. I believe if you do, you would do it properly, it just that you haven't answered the question if you do.
He is full of it, he isn't "making sure" of shit. He admitted to taking Cardarine which is a Chinese underground product, which was abandoned by pharma companies due to causing cancer in lab animals.
ALL pros use gear made by UG Chinese chemical houses, it's not pharma grade. I don't care where Go 4 It gets his gear, even if he is "scripted" it's still Chinese shit no matter what he has been told and believes.
Most pros are fucking cheap too, and would think paying for gear is beneath them so they use whatever shit is given for free.
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Mix up some liquid egg whites, oatmeal, or something else in a shake and drink it. Much better quality than a piece of shit quest bar. Much cheaper, and how long does it take to drink? Shorter amount of time than eating that bar. I guarantee you that quest bar doesn't contain what is on the label, just like most other supplements.
I'm in my car FFS! I can't predict the traffic or anything else that may come up while I am driving. I keep bars in my car because they last forever in a pack under my seat and it's CONVENIENT! Remember what I said what was the one of the most important value in supplements? I can't keep cartons or thermos of egg whites sitting in my car. And, yes, drinking a shake is faster than eating a bar which is what I do in the morning, BUT, I'm stuck in traffic sitting in my car! I have all the fucking time in the world! If I could, I'd be chowing down on some Orange Chicken and Moo Goo Gai Pan! And of course, nothing is EXACTLY what it purports to be. I don't know if that particular egg contains exactly 6 grams of protein or apple contains x grams of fructose. I get that. I don't care!
You don't like supps. I get it. What I don't get is how so many people are bother by what other people eat, whether it's Mcds or Whey protein, of bcaas.
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all "supplements"... every single one
Is a waste of money
eat food
be healthy
How old are you and can you post a pic.
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I'm in my car FFS! I can't predict the traffic or anything else that may come up while I am driving. I keep bars in my car because they last forever in a pack under my seat and it's CONVENIENT! Remember what I said what was the one of the most important value in supplements? I can't keep cartons or thermos of egg whites sitting in my car. And, yes, drinking a shake is faster than eating a bar which is what I do in the morning, BUT, I'm stuck in traffic sitting in my car! I have all the fucking time in the world! If I could, I'd be chowing down on some Orange Chicken and Moo Goo Gai Pan! And of course, nothing is EXACTLY what it purports to be. I don't know if that particular egg contains exactly 6 grams of protein or apple contains x grams of fructose. I get that. I don't care!
You don't like supps. I get it. What I don't get is how so many people are bother by what other people eat, whether it's Mcds or Whey protein, of bcaas.
lilhawk doesn’t even train. Don’t waste your time
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Do you really think he's going to openly discuss his gear use? If he's using or not I could care less, one thing I will say is he has a clean look, no acne, bloat, purple face, hair loss, possibly going to the same doc as Mike Ohearn.
Why not? It's not like he's a pro under contract. Many speak openly about their gear use here. I use 200mg/wk Test cyp and 250mg/wk Deca. So what. I think it's a legit question. If he's that particular about the food he puts in his body how does he justify using hormone coming from the black market from China. He can put an end to that discussion with just a straight answer. I think he's on gear because of the level of his physique. That is a compliment. I will take him at his word whatever he says and leave it his conscious and his God. It will come out in the end if he pursues world class physique titles. Remember when for years Groink portrayed himself as some sort of genetic natural freak. And when he announced that he finally was going to go "to the dark side" what happened? Nothing. Same old Groink. You would think that someone so advanced naturally would blow up easy on Tren, Test, Dbol. Thirty pounds easy for a first time user and moreso with someone so genetically gifted.
And to be clear, I am having a discussion/debate with Go4it, not an argument. Whatever he is doing is obviously working very well for him. Don't think for a nanosecond that I am trying to get him to change anything he does. Why would I? I want to know if it makes sense for me to incorporate some of his ideas and beliefs. Why would he want to incorporate anything I do, especially when it comes to diet. I will say it right here and now that he has a far more superior diet and lifestyle than I do when it comes to physique enhancement. The main, many the only, reasons I don't do what he does is I simply just don't have the drive and discipline that he does. Fuck, I'm eating Ramin Noodles out of a cup and a prepackaged bottle of Muscle Milk as my pre workout meal right now. I'm even too fucking lazy to buy the way cheaper MM powder and mix it myself. And, yes, it's off to McD as for my post workout anabolic window feeding.
There. I said it.
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BTW, if it makes any difference, I do add Olive oil, peanuts and 10 grams fiber powder to my Ramen noodles. Like I said, I'm big on fiber. You could make sausages out of my intestines right out of the corpse.
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lilhawk doesn’t even train. Don’t waste your time
What a surprise.
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BTW, if it makes any difference, I do add Olive oil, peanuts and 10 grams fiber powder to my Ramen noodles. Like I said, I'm big on fiber. You could make sausages out of my intestines right out of the corpse.
So no more bananas & sweet potatoes on Hawaii islands ::)
Olives Yes, olive oil No !.
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The only time I would care about having EAA's or something to absorb fast is intraworkout, or post workout. Otherwise it is not needed. Ignorance is bliss, yeah in your case it is. Supplements are a joke, not regulated, so who knows what the hell is in them, if anything. Liquid egg whites, good quality food are all that is needed.
And in my comment I say: "Yes, there is few if any my words in that, I just happen to watch some videos, made by Marko Savolainen & Anssi Manninen, M.H.S. in sports medicine, who were science-editor in Muscular Development few years ago", so you are referring mostly to ignorance of these guy's. If we compare your knowledge to knowledge of these guys, like an anonym twat vs. IFBB Pro & Master of Health Science....just fuck off, brat.. ;D
Problem with you guys is that you are too fucking stupid to learn anything, you have your prejudices and there is no such force in this universe which could make you get over them. I just translate a little bit of information from these guys because video is in Finnish only, but you already know things so much better than anyone. Wonder why there is so many threads about lack of development, injuries, is this and that working etc. crap in every fucking bodybuilding forum? Because you guys never learn anything, because you know it all already. What if you would benefit by the advice I give you? Would it hurt your fat ass?
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So no more bananas & sweet potatoes on Hawaii islands ::)
Olives Yes, olive oil No !.
Bananas every day along with frozen strawberries in my smoothie every morning. Not big on sweet potatoes. Just eat the regular ones.
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all "supplements"... every single one
Is a waste of money
eat food
be healthy
This.
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Results from Chinese-made supplements...
(https://cdn.britannica.com/700x450/20/119620-004-D48F2940.jpg)
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EAA's + Carb Source Intra-Workout have done wonders for my recovery/stamina in the gym.
But then again, I haven't carried eggs & oats to my workouts either... ::)
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Why not? It's not like he's a pro under contract. Many speak openly about their gear use here. I use 200mg/wk Test cyp and 250mg/wk Deca. So what. I think it's a legit question. If he's that particular about the food he puts in his body how does he justify using hormone coming from the black market from China. He can put an end to that discussion with just a straight answer. I think he's on gear because of the level of his physique. That is a compliment. I will take him at his word whatever he says and leave it his conscious and his God. It will come out in the end if he pursues world class physique titles. Remember when for years Groink portrayed himself as some sort of genetic natural freak. And when he announced that he finally was going to go "to the dark side" what happened? Nothing. Same old Groink. You would think that someone so advanced naturally would blow up easy on Tren, Test, Dbol. Thirty pounds easy for a first time user and moreso with someone so genetically gifted.
And to be clear, I am having a discussion/debate with Go4it, not an argument. Whatever he is doing is obviously working very well for him. Don't think for a nanosecond that I am trying to get him to change anything he does. Why would I? I want to know if it makes sense for me to incorporate some of his ideas and beliefs. Why would he want to incorporate anything I do, especially when it comes to diet. I will say it right here and now that he has a far more superior diet and lifestyle than I do when it comes to physique enhancement. The main, many the only, reasons I don't do what he does is I simply just don't have the drive and discipline that he does. Fuck, I'm eating Ramin Noodles out of a cup and a prepackaged bottle of Muscle Milk as my pre workout meal right now. I'm even too fucking lazy to buy the way cheaper MM powder and mix it myself. And, yes, it's off to McD as for my post workout anabolic window feeding.
There. I said it.
8)
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Olive Oil:
A recent study has confirmed over 70% of olive oil sold in the USA markets is fake, cut with other oils like peanut, canola and sunflower. The same brands are sold all over the world, including UK, France, Italy and Spain.
A similar scandal was brought into attention in Italy in 2008, when several police officers were involved in the breakdown known as operation Golden Oil. It was disclosed that 85 oil farms were mixing chlorophyll, chemical colourants and flavours with sunflower and canola to the olive oil, in order to have a cheaper product. Of course the results were awful and the healthy properties of the olive oil were lost.
California University has recently undertaken a study on 124 olive oils and found that over 70% of samples failed the tests.
Failed:
Mezzetta
Carapelli
Pompeian
Primadonna
Mazola
Sasso
Colavita
Star
Antica Badia
Whole Foods
Safeway
Felippo Berio
Coricelli
Bertolli
It’s not possible to tell how pure the oil is just by looking at it. However you can do your own simple test at home: store the bottle in the fridge and, if after 30min it gets solid, it means it is pure and has monounsaturated fats. If it stays liquid, then it’s cut with other cheaper oils.
As there are other ways of cutting the oil (for example mixing new oil with old oil from the previous years) this test would not guarantee the product we are using is a good quality oil.
So unprofessional, you could make a shit sandwich and call it a fucking soil sandwich and they will put it on the market for your consumption. If you want to eat healthy it costs an arm and a leg, you want to eat anything of a shelf that's carcinogenic they almost give it to you for free.
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So unprofessional, you could make a shit sandwich and call it a fucking soil sandwich and they will put it on the market for your consumption. If you want to eat healthy it costs an arm and a leg, you want to eat anything of a shelf that's carcinogenic they almost give it to you for free.
you can eat healthy for cheap if you want to go vegan. Just eat fruit and vegetables from local farmers, hard to fuck up.
however, trying to eat healthy while enjoying a broad diet today is a fucking landmine. Every shelf foodstuff is loaded with oxidized PUFAs. Our meat supply uses hormones to increase the yield of saleable meat and we have no idea if trace elements of these drugs impact our own bodies, we will never get honest studies on this (at least not from a western country, and studies out places like china, india, iran, vietnam rarely get published in the major journals) because of how powerful these industries are.
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Why not? It's not like he's a pro under contract. Many speak openly about their gear use here. I use 200mg/wk Test cyp and 250mg/wk Deca. So what. I think it's a legit question. If he's that particular about the food he puts in his body how does he justify using hormone coming from the black market from China. He can put an end to that discussion with just a straight answer. I think he's on gear because of the level of his physique. That is a compliment. I will take him at his word whatever he says and leave it his conscious and his God. It will come out in the end if he pursues world class physique titles. Remember when for years Groink portrayed himself as some sort of genetic natural freak. And when he announced that he finally was going to go "to the dark side" what happened? Nothing. Same old Groink. You would think that someone so advanced naturally would blow up easy on Tren, Test, Dbol. Thirty pounds easy for a first time user and moreso with someone so genetically gifted.
And to be clear, I am having a discussion/debate with Go4it, not an argument. Whatever he is doing is obviously working very well for him. Don't think for a nanosecond that I am trying to get him to change anything he does. Why would I? I want to know if it makes sense for me to incorporate some of his ideas and beliefs. Why would he want to incorporate anything I do, especially when it comes to diet. I will say it right here and now that he has a far more superior diet and lifestyle than I do when it comes to physique enhancement. The main, many the only, reasons I don't do what he does is I simply just don't have the drive and discipline that he does. Fuck, I'm eating Ramin Noodles out of a cup and a prepackaged bottle of Muscle Milk as my pre workout meal right now. I'm even too fucking lazy to buy the way cheaper MM powder and mix it myself. And, yes, it's off to McD as for my post workout anabolic window feeding.
There. I said it.
First off, I actually am under 2 sponsorship contracts, second of all as I stated before, I would never put, especially inject something into my system if I didn't know where it came from. Would you eat a random piece of food you find on the floor? They why would you inject a substance if you didn't know how and where it was produced. But in terms of attaining "scripts" I've worked in hospitality industry for 15 years, I've worked at some of the best nightclubs in Chicago and Las Vegas, now Hawaii, I've networked and befriended many people from all walks of life from all of the world, some are doctors, plastic surgeons, physicians, professional athletes, chiropractors, elite coaches, so obtaining such substances theoretically would not be an issue if I wished to persue that option. In terms of the Cardarine, my coach suggested it so I researched it and used it for a 10 week period for prep, it's not something I use daily for years upon years, so in terms of negative side effects I really don't think it don't think it's going to do something detrimental in such a short time span. But eating certain foods, daily, year after year will definitely do much more damage in my opinion, then 10 weeks on Cardarine.
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I tried them in a vain attempt to get big years back.
It had the strange side affect of putting me to sleep. Could not keep my eyes open during the afternoon without a nap.
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First off, I actually am under 2 sponsorship contracts, second of all as I stated before, I would never put, especially inject something into my system if I didn't know where it came from. Would you eat a random piece of food you find on the floor? They why would you inject a substance if you didn't know how and where it was produced. But in terms of attaining "scripts" I've worked in hospitality industry for 15 years, I've worked at some of the best nightclubs in Chicago and Las Vegas, now Hawaii, I've networked and befriended many people from all walks of life from all of the world, some are doctors, plastic surgeons, physicians, professional athletes, chiropractors, elite coaches, so obtaining such substances theoretically would not be an issue if I wished to persue that option. In terms of the Cardarine, my coach suggested it so I researched it and used it for a 10 week period for prep, it's not something I use daily for years upon years, so in terms of negative side effects I really don't think it don't think it's going to do something detrimental in such a short time span. But eating certain foods, daily, year after year will definitely do much more damage in my opinion, then 10 weeks on Cardarine.
Go4it, you are making me suspicious. Why don't you just answer a direct question with a direct answer? You tell me you are under two contracts. OK. You tell me you would never inject something that you didn't know where it came from. OK. You tell me you have various options for obtaining scripts from a network of coaches, doctors and health professionals. OK. You tell me you have used Caradine. OK, I don't know what that is.
But you still haven't answered a simple and direct question: Have you ever used anabolic steroids? It's either yes, no or you simply don't want to answer that question.
One of those three will suffice though refusing to answer, though I'm fine with it, will always put in under suspicion. I personally think that you are no stranger to anabolic hormones because you have such an advance physique but I will take you at your word and once again bemoan the fact at how unfair life is. So many people sticking needles in their bodies and popping pills in amounts that can't be good in the long run and busting their ass in the gym and watching their diet but will never achieve what you have naturally.
All you need to do is just answer the question.
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Go4it, you are making me suspicious. Why don't you just answer a direct question with a direct answer? You tell me you are under two contracts. OK. You tell me you would never inject something that you didn't know where it came from. OK. You tell me you have various options for obtaining scripts from a network of coaches, doctors and health professionals. OK. You tell me you have used Caradine. OK, I don't know what that is.
But you still haven't answered a simple and direct question: Have you ever used anabolic steroids? It's either yes, no or you simply don't want to answer that question.
One of those three will suffice though refusing to answer, though I'm fine with it, will always put in under suspicion. I personally think that you are no stranger to anabolic hormones because you have such an advance physique but I will take you at your word and once again bemoan the fact at how unfair life is. So many people sticking needles in their bodies and popping pills in amounts that can't be good in the long run and busting their ass in the gym and watching their diet but will never achieve what you have naturally.
All you need to do is just answer the question.
There's no need to ask if he uses anabolics. Like I said before, even if he gets his anabolics scripted he will essentially be using black market china made UG drugs.
He took Cardarine which is a Chinese black market drug, certainly not something legally made by a real pharmaceutical company. He doesn't think it's harmful in the short term; maybe not but who knows?
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There's no need to ask if he uses anabolics. Like I said before, even if he gets his anabolics scripted he will essentially be using black market china made UG drugs.
He took Cardarine which is a Chinese black market drug, certainly not something legally made by a real pharmaceutical company. He doesn't think it's harmful in the short term; maybe not but who knows?
Why would getting anything in a legal regulated open market be a black market which by definition is unregulated? Are they not legal anabolics sold by a real pharmaceutical company?
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Why would getting anything in a legal regulated open market be a black market which by definition is unregulated? Are they not legal anabolics sold by a real pharmaceutical company?
I guess he could be getting some extremely expensive oxandrolone or halo or pharma gh along with test that are made by real pharma companies but somehow I doubt this is what he's using. The gear sold by these "clinics"
and compounding pharmacies which many pros rep for are essentially black market items. They are working with the same China powders as the UG labs. The final product can be good and properly dosed, even if the raw powder is only say 98% pure as opposed to 99.9 for a powder made by a real company, but if they bought the raws from regulated companies a bottle of tren or whatever would cost several hundred dollars. Basically you will lack complete confidence in the drugs.
Cardarine has never been made for human consumption anywhere, it never passed animal research so he does put
experimental black market items in his body. I mean I've put a lot of shit in my body but I don't know if I would be comfortable with using this.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GW501516
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First off, I actually am under 2 sponsorship contracts, second of all as I stated before, I would never put, especially inject something into my system if I didn't know where it came from. Would you eat a random piece of food you find on the floor? They why would you inject a substance if you didn't know how and where it was produced. But in terms of attaining "scripts" I've worked in hospitality industry for 15 years, I've worked at some of the best nightclubs in Chicago and Las Vegas, now Hawaii, I've networked and befriended many people from all walks of life from all of the world, some are doctors, plastic surgeons, physicians, professional athletes, chiropractors, elite coaches, so obtaining such substances theoretically would not be an issue if I wished to persue that option. In terms of the Cardarine, my coach suggested it so I researched it and used it for a 10 week period for prep, it's not something I use daily for years upon years, so in terms of negative side effects I really don't think it don't think it's going to do something detrimental in such a short time span. But eating certain foods, daily, year after year will definitely do much more damage in my opinion, then 10 weeks on Cardarine.
cardarine gw 50156
10mg daily?
20mg daily
any personal thoughts on - would like to hear from you go4it
thank you
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Lol, dude I was a brick layer throughout my college career, I brought cans of tuna, hard boiled eggs and a loaf of ezikiel bread for my meals, in my car for the ride home I always had bananas and a bag of almonds for the commute back home stuck in traffic, the whole crew would bust my balls like crazy, they would be eating Burger King, Dunkin Doughnuts, tacos from the taco trucks, and I would just sit there and eat my food. Look if protein powder was regulated by the FDA, I would have no problem with it, but I have a problem with thinking I'm getting 25 grams of protein per scoop of something and in all actuality I'm getting 8. This is the reason I stopped using olive oil, the majority of it is bunk, they found that 69% of all store bought olive oil in the US is fake.
dave palumbo always says that olive oil too... maca nut oil is his goto
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I guess he could be getting some extremely expensive oxandrolone or halo or pharma gh along with test that are made by real pharma companies but somehow I doubt this is what he's using. The gear sold by these "clinics"
and compounding pharmacies which many pros rep for are essentially black market items. They are working with the same China powders as the UG labs. The final product can be good and properly dosed, even if the raw powder is only say 98% pure as opposed to 99.9 for a powder made by a real company, but if they bought the raws from regulated companies a bottle of tren or whatever would cost several hundred dollars. Basically you will lack complete confidence in the drugs.
Cardarine has never been made for human consumption anywhere, it never passed animal research so he does put
experimental black market items in his body. I mean I've put a lot of shit in my body but I don't know if I would be comfortable with using this.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GW501516
My TRT doc prescribes anavar. It's tabs and says it has to be kept in the fridge. It's not the 2.5mg of old. I think it's more like 25 mg/tab. Didn't really check. But it's only a $10 copayment when you pick it up from the pharmacy. I could get it but don't really want to hit orals. Also, I heard it's one of the few oral AAS that is hard on your kidneys.
I'll check out that link.
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My TRT doc prescribes anavar. It's tabs and says it has to be kept in the fridge. It's not the 2.5mg of old. I think it's more like 25 mg/tab. Didn't really check. But it's only a $10 copayment when you pick it up from the pharmacy. I could get it but don't really want to hit orals. Also, I heard it's one of the few oral AAS that is hard on your kidneys.
I'll check out that link.
anvar on TRT and covered by insurance? that is a home run
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Cardarine has never been made for human consumption anywhere, it never passed animal research so he does put
experimental black market items in his body. I mean I've put a lot of shit in my body but I don't know if I would be comfortable with using this.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GW501516
Just read this link and other write-ups on Cardarine. Seems ALOT riskier than protein powders or olive oil.
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I guess he could be getting some extremely expensive oxandrolone or halo or pharma gh along with test that are made by real pharma companies but somehow I doubt this is what he's using. The gear sold by these "clinics"
and compounding pharmacies which many pros rep for are essentially black market items. They are working with the same China powders as the UG labs. The final product can be good and properly dosed, even if the raw powder is only say 98% pure as opposed to 99.9 for a powder made by a real company, but if they bought the raws from regulated companies a bottle of tren or whatever would cost several hundred dollars. Basically you will lack complete confidence in the drugs.
Cardarine has never been made for human consumption anywhere, it never passed animal research so he does put
experimental black market items in his body. I mean I've put a lot of shit in my body but I don't know if I would be comfortable with using this.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GW501516
So prescription testosterone from my doctor is coming from China? On the bottle its says Florida.
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My Pharmacy "juice" : Sustanon 250 & HGH is manufactured by Pharmatec Pakistan for OBS Pakistan under licence from N.V.Organon ,The Netherlands.
I take only 1 X 1 ml ampule p/w
:D
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So prescription testosterone from my doctor is coming from China? On the bottle its says Florida.
Everything is made in China and India and Malaysia.
Doesn't mean it's not good. Depends on what company makes it and their quality controls.
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Update :
After 6 long years of evolution, we need to revisit this thread ;
is the BCAA available on the market today better than previous versions?
WooooSSSHHHHHH LE VRO NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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All these overpriced heavily marketed supplements are just ways to part you from your money.
The only thing you need is eggs.
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All these overpriced heavily marketed supplements are just ways to part you from your money.
The only thing you need is duck eggs and a frogger.
fixed
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fixed
Don`t forget the orange Bozo The Clown wig! ;D
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Lifelong natty (before TRT at age 50) so I always used Amino's. EAA's have both inside (EAA/BCAA).
Does it do jack shit?? Who knows. But I know Aminos "might" be helpful. (Probably mainly for recovery).
And there's no need to spend a ton on them. Some brands are very price-friendly.
EVL is practically free... :D
My AM drink before gym is EAA's, Creatine, Fiber Powder.
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In general I would opt against supplements as they are quite stressful to the body since the ingredients have to be extracted from some kind of base component. This is often done with toxic materials which the end user shuttles into his/her system.
On top of that the ingredients are dead, as in denatured, due to industrial processes and thus harm the body long term - double damage so to speak.
"Supplements" that free you from needing supplements
-raw milk(preferably sheep)
-raw eggs
-raw meat
-raw fish(sea only)
and most importantly
-raw animal fats(partial to above mentioned) which are the base of "all" hormone production("condensed" in butter from raw milk)
-high volume workouts
-steroids(optional)
This was more natural to the old timers as they world was different back then. Today these natural foods are handled as organic or even hazardous to health which shows how perverted the system is.
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In general I would opt against supplements as they are quite stressful to the body since the ingredients have to be extracted from some kind of base component. This is often done with toxic materials which the end user shuttles into his/her system.
On top of that the ingredients are dead, as in denatured, due to industrial processes and thus harm the body long term - double damage so to speak.
"Supplements" that free you from needing supplements
-raw milk(preferably sheep)
-raw eggs
-raw meat
-raw fish(sea only)
and most importantly
-raw animal fats(partial to above mentioned) which are the base of "all" hormone production("condensed" in butter from raw milk)
-high volume workouts
-steroids(optional)
This was more natural to the old timers as they world was different back then. Today these natural foods are handled as organic or even hazardous to health which shows how perverted the system is.
Great info Bruce ^^^
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Yes they are.
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Just eat a hunk of beef everyday.
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Just eat a hunk of beef everyday.
Can't afford it.
How about a bowl of crickets?
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Can't afford it.
How about a bowl of crickets?
That will work if you can stomach it.
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yeah Id say flushing money
spend your money on lean beef, chicken, fish, eggs in terms of aminos.
I feel bad for the kids that spend their hard earned money on shit like this when they should spend it all on good food and other things
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yeah Id say flushing money
spend your money on lean beef, chicken, fish, eggs in terms of aminos.
I feel bad for the kids that spend their hard earned money on shit like this when they should spend it all on good food and other things
I wish I would have spent my money on clothes and a better car instead of supplements when I was younger.
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I wish I would have spent my money on clothes and a better car instead of supplements when I was younger.
dito lol
such a scam
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dito lol
such a scam
I was lifting like a madman to get the girls while driving a beater. Years later I bought a new car and had women flirting with me left and right.
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Lifelong natty (before TRT at age 50) so I always used Amino's. EAA's have both inside (EAA/BCAA).
Does it do jack shit?? Who knows. But I know Aminos "might" be helpful. (Probably mainly for recovery).
And there's no need to spend a ton on them. Some brands are very price-friendly.
EVL is practically free... :D
My AM drink before gym is EAA's, Creatine, Fiber Powder.
That EAA formula is absolute shit though. Just look at the label. Shoumdn't even be called an EAA imo.
Use one with all the aminos in actually relevant quantities.
Here's the best one I've seen, if label claims are correct. Compare 10mg of tryptophan to 800mg, just for one example
https://masupps.com/product/prosynthesis-17/
You could take a quarter of a dose and easily beat the other one double dosed