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1st place ronnie coleman
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2nd place flex wheeler
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3rd place nasser el sonbaty
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4th place Mr. Levrone
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5th place shawn ray
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1st place ronnie coleman
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2nd place flex wheeler
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3rd place nasser el sonbaty
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4th place Mr. Levrone
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5th place shawn ray
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Behind Levrone and in front of Shawn. The other three guys were unbeatable and in their own dimension.
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2nd behind Coleman. Better legs and hams and glutes than Flex. That would put him over.
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2nd behind Coleman. Better legs and hams and glutes than Flex. That would put him over.
Flex had a better upper body and better aesthetics. I'm not sure Rhoden is better than Ray but based on the size difference he may have placed above him but it's a toss up.
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Flex had a better upper body and better aesthetics. I'm not sure he is better than Ray but based on the size difference he may have placed above him but it's a toss up.
You're right but you have to remember, the Mr. O is a back, and glutes/ham's show. Flex's glutes and hams from 98 on were garbage.
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You're right but you have to remember, the Mr. O is a back, and glutes/ham's show. Flex's glutes and hams from 98 on were garbage.
True.
Flex thought he had the 98 show locked up and didn't bring his best, or he wasn't able to match his best, and it cost him.
Rhoden is a deserving champion and he would not look out of place at 2nd in that 98 line up. He is complete.
Phil, even with his strengths, mostly his arms being among the greatest ever, would be exposed in this lineup because of his narrow shoulder girdle. Due to his physical structure I think he'd be more comparable, in terms of placing, to Lee Preist.
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6th place at best
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Probably just in front or behind Ray.
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He'd beat Shawn if he was in equal sharp. Wheeler type genetics > Shawn. 4th
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3rd place could see him beating Nasser but not flex or Ronnie
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3rd place could see him beating Nasser but not flex or Ronnie
He’s to lanky to compete with Ronnie,flex,Levrone or nasser.
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4th. Behind Nasser.
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2nd behind Coleman. Better legs and hams and glutes than Flex. That would put him over.
Nope. Rhoden is a xerox version of flex. Minus Flex’s full round muscles. Flex had better pop to his muscles, better posing, better arms, and cross striations in his quads, and a better back, which would push him over. Hams and glutes go to Rhoden.
Shawn would probably place ahead of Kev or Nasser.
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Hahaha get the fuck out. All things (drug stacks) being equal prob not even top 8. If the guys from the 90’s were just competing in today’s competions you also wouldn’t see nearly the same physiques. The top 90’s guys were genetic superiors, add in drugs and you have an era of freaks. In today’s world with enough GH IGF insulin and money almost anyone can become a ballooned up mess.
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The Haney, Yates and Coleman era's were far superior to todays god awful Olympia's.
@Disgusted - I agree with you above post, but I wonder if the 90's guys used what the guys today are using if they wouldn't have ruined their physiques. I am of the opinion that whatever guys are using/abusing today is ruining the look. Is it too much AAS in additon to DNP, GH, Insuling and Peptides? Whatever it is, it aint pretty. Shawn Rhoden is the only guy in that lineup that could have competed and compared with the 98 line up. Maybe Roelly could have and the finals version of Ramy.
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Top 3
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pics from 98 MO
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Hahaha get the fuck out. All things (drug stacks) being equal prob not even top 8. If the guys from the 90’s were just competing in today’s competions you also wouldn’t see nearly the same physiques. The top 90’s guys were genetic superiors, add in drugs and you have an era of freaks. In today’s world with enough GH IGF insulin and money almost anyone can become a ballooned up mess.
Agreed. It can be difficult to compare different eras because for some folk, the golden age is just over the horizon. I tend to think that the 40s through the 50s was the golden age of natural trainers and the 70s was the golden age for those on AAS. I'm not a big fan of either Haney's or Dorian's time although both were quite good but they were gifted more than a couple of Sandow's and Coleman was a waste of bloated skin that made the case that too much was way too much for everyone but schmoes in heat. Jay too. And Heath? Was his time a golden era?
Phil's era is more golden showers. He did it to himself.
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Based on the pics and placings you have posted, I would say 6th.
Was the lighting different back then? With todays better caeras you would think you could get someone looking as good as these guys, given that they're handicapped by shitty photo quality.
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Nope. Rhoden is a xerox version of flex. Minus Flex’s full round muscles. Flex had better pop to his muscles, better posing, better arms, and cross striations in his quads, and a better back, which would push him over. Hams and glutes go to Rhoden.
Shawn would probably place ahead of Kev or Nasser.
Then he isn’t a xerox version of flex, to even mention his name to flex is a disgrace
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Hahaha get the fuck out. All things (drug stacks) being equal prob not even top 8. If the guys from the 90’s were just competing in today’s competions you also wouldn’t see nearly the same physiques. The top 90’s guys were genetic superiors, add in drugs and you have an era of freaks. In today’s world with enough GH IGF insulin and money almost anyone can become a ballooned up mess.
The only post on here with some sense
However 2011 Phil was really good for modern standards
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Then he isn’t a xerox version of flex, to even mention his name to flex is a disgrace
He has the blueprint—-namely the same structure/shape/phenotype, as Brian Buchanan, Tony Person, Flex, and Melvin, and a few others. Flex was the only one really to come close to winning the Mr. O, plus he had full round muscles. The others didn’t. So, Flexatron, wins the Mr. O with the same “shape”, but doesn’t have Flex’s superior full, round muscle bellies.
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Flexatron has great lines, flow and aesthetics and possibly the best X-frame of the current pros. But 20 years ago he would have placed in the middle of the pack. He wasn't better than Shawn Ray.
I do appreciate, however, this apparent shift in judging criteria to reward flow and aesthetics and penalize out-of-control guts.
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Hahaha get the fuck out. All things (drug stacks) being equal prob not even top 8. If the guys from the 90’s were just competing in today’s competions you also wouldn’t see nearly the same physiques. The top 90’s guys were genetic superiors, add in drugs and you have an era of freaks. In today’s world with enough GH IGF insulin and money almost anyone can become a ballooned up mess.
"In today’s world with enough GH IGF insulin and money almost anyone can become a ballooned up mess."
That is so accurate - I know at least 2 average national level competitors ( yes good physiques but not pro class level ) who have Lots of $ and now using IGF who are pro's.
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He would be shown on the magazines with a "-DNP" after his name.
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Chris could never beat Shawn Ray, and people on here say rhoden would place ahead of Ray, no
Chris > rhoden
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I'm pleased Shawn won.
20yrs ago
Kevin / Shawn R / Flex / Nasser / Mike F / Charlie C / Chris C /Andreas M
To name a few would've likely beat him.
Let alone Dorian & Ronnie.
They quality of their condition isn't in the same league nowadays.
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flex also used high grade oil
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Chris could never beat Shawn Ray, and people on here say rhoden would place ahead of Ray, no
Chris > rhoden
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Chris beat Shawn 99 Olympia
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6-7 place...I think Ray was better by far
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RHoden's back is good but not great
he's improved it but it still lacks thickness and width compared to the rest of him
its a light heavyweight's back on a heavyweight
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I'm pleased Shawn won.
20yrs ago
Kevin / Shawn R / Flex / Nasser / Mike F / Charlie C / Chris C /Andreas M
To name a few would've likely beat him.
Let alone Dorian & Ronnie.
They quality of their condition isn't in the same league nowadays.
francois, clairmonte, and munzer?
i have as much 90's bodybuilding nostalgia as anybody, but no way would these guys be anywhere near the best today
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Chris beat Shawn 99 Olympia
You are correct, that was the only time
Chris should have placed 2nd that year
Rhoden is not as good as that 1999 Chris Cormier or any of the Arnold classic versions when he placed 2nd
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francois, clairmonte, and munzer?
i have as much 90's bodybuilding nostalgia as anybody, but no way would these guys be anywhere near the best today
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You think rhoden is better than those guys mentioned? Cormier, Ray, Levrone, flex, Nasser, etc
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Behind Ronnie and battle with Shawn and flex
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francois, clairmonte, and munzer?
i have as much 90's bodybuilding nostalgia as anybody, but no way would these guys be anywhere near the best today
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Francios & Clairmonte beat Flex Wheeler both would trample Rhoden , Munzer maybe
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Guys from the past look much better than all of todays pro's. Bertil would destroy "Rodan".
And if he (Bertil) lost, he would pull out a gun and just shoot him anyways...
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/55/images/bertil_fox_photo152.jpg)
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Rhoden was 23 back in 1998. Not too much younger than Lee Priest and Markus Ruhl.
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Francios & Clairmonte beat Flex Wheeler both would trample Rhoden , Munzer maybe
Yes exactly- Francios & Clairmonte at there best we’re awesome
Munzer his conditioning was excellent especially compared to today’s
Standard - he’d make most of them look fat - Phil would’ve had to bring
A sauna on stage to sweat out the amount he needed to lose.
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Flexatron has great lines, flow and aesthetics and possibly the best X-frame of the current pros. But 20 years ago he would have placed in the middle of the pack. He wasn't better than Shawn Ray.
I do appreciate, however, this apparent shift in judging criteria to reward flow and aesthetics and penalize out-of-control guts.
I agree with that whole heartedly. Shawn Rhoden is very good. But even his abs have a funky look at times. I think people today don't realize how fucking good Nasser was. In his prime years, nobody was better than him from the front. Plus, with those glasses on he was one hell of a handsome gentlemen. RIP.
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I agree with that whole heartedly. Shawn Rhoden is very good. But even his abs have a funky look at times. I think people today don't realize how fucking good Nasser was. In his prime years, nobody was better than him from the front. Plus, with those glasses on he was one hell of a handsome gentlemen. RIP.
Nasser was indeed a good looking man with a great physique that fell victim to the stupid notion that the reigning Mr. O needs to be destroyed to be dethroned.
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This is an excellent Nasser motivation video
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I was never a fan of Nasser's physique back in the day. I preferred Shawn Ray's shape, proportion and detail over Nasser's overwhelming size. Also, Shawn never had oil leaking out of his rear delts.
I guess that's why I'm a fan of Bonac today, because to me he's the closest thing to a Shawn Ray currently. Although even Bonac needs to tighten up his midsection and rein in the size just a bit and go for more quality over quantity.
OH and speaking of quality...Sami Al Haddad in the 212 class has that same crazy Colemanesque level of detail, but needs a bit more size in the legs to place higher.
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You think rhoden is better than those guys mentioned? Cormier, Ray, Levrone, flex, Nasser, etc
he's better than munzer, francois, and clairmonte
absolutely not better than the top 6 in 98, he doesn't have the awe factor those guys had i still look at them and say "HOLY SHIT"
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Francios & Clairmonte beat Flex Wheeler both would trample Rhoden , Munzer maybe
when after his car accident? jaroslav horvath beat Mr. Levrone a few months before he got 2nd at the olympia in 2002 and horvath got like 18th place, beating him once when he was way off means shit
you guys are really blinded by nostalgia if you think those 3 would be an olympia champ today, the only reason anybody remembers munzer is because he died
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I agree with that whole heartedly. Shawn Rhoden is very good. But even his abs have a funky look at times. I think people today don't realize how fucking good Nasser was. In his prime years, nobody was better than him from the front. Plus, with those glasses on he was one hell of a handsome gentlemen. RIP.
nasser is underrated for sure
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nasser is underrated for sure
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I dunno. He lacked arm separation, despite top notch midsection detail. His forearms were average at best and he boasted no lower lats, classic T shape like Dennis James and Vic Martinez. His top draws were his calves, abs, and legs. But the moment he resorted to synthol to up his lagging body parts, he was done. Then he had that surgery to remove those weird lumps of fat under his armpits where his lats used to be. People talk about his oily shoulders but his biceps were the worst I've ever seen for site enhancement oil.
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(http://steroidanalysis.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/nasser-2.jpg)
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Where would today's Rhoden place in the 2038 Olympia? Where is BB heading?
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Where would today's Rhoden place in the 2038 Olympia? Where is BB heading?
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Rhoden would of placed 3rd, perhaps.
Ronnie was incredible, and Flex was the king of symmetry back then.
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If you purely went back back and arms, Wheeler and Ronnie were neck-in-neck. However, Ronnie's glutes were twice Flex's size, because he actually did squats and lunges (flex just did leg press and hack squats), so his hard work paid off. Moreover, Ronnie's waist was still very small at the time, and Flex had already started using oil in his biceps and shoulders, so front the front Ronnie's annihilated him period.
The other guys are good but their backs are all too narrow, including Levrone (who's otherwise perfect).
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Guys from the past look much better than all of todays pro's. Bertil would destroy "Rodan".
And if he (Bertil) lost, he would pull out a gun and just shoot him anyways...
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/55/images/bertil_fox_photo152.jpg)
lol.
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This comparison begs the question, if a prime Aaron Baker was competing today, how many consecutive Olympias would he have won?
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If you purely went back back and arms, Wheeler and Ronnie were neck-in-neck. However, Ronnie's glutes were twice Flex's size, because he actually did squats and lunges (flex just did leg press and hack squats), so his hard work paid off. Moreover, Ronnie's waist was still very small at the time, and Flex had already started using oil in his biceps and shoulders, so front the front Ronnie's annihilated him period.
The other guys are good but their backs are all too narrow, including Levrone (who's otherwise perfect).
I think that after Flex broke his neck, he stopped doing squats with the bar on his back/traps.
Here is an older 93 Flex vs 99 Flex back shot.
(https://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2008/02/Flex93vs99-1.jpg)
93 Flex vs 2008ish Phil
(https://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2008/02/2-1.jpg)
Dorian vs Ronnie vs 93 Flex
(http://www.ambal.ru/i/359.jpg)
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I think that after Flex broke his neck, he stopped doing squats with the bar on his back/traps.
Here is an older 93 Flex vs Phil Heath back shot.
(https://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2008/02/Flex93vs99-1.jpg)
Too bad. He had bigger glutes than even Ronnie there. In fact, if you compare Heath's and Flex's physiques in that picture, they're virtually identical, save for the fact that Flex's arms are so separated and detailed that even Heath couldn't hang with him. Shame he oiled his calves...you should stand on your good muscles and cope with your bad others. The judges aren't stupid...no one who ever shot oil placed 1st or second, other than Jay, but he only really did that in his last 2 Olympias, which is why they passed the torch to Phil.
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I think that after Flex broke his neck, he stopped doing squats with the bar on his back/traps.
Here is an older 93 Flex vs 99 Flex back shot.
(https://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2008/02/Flex93vs99-1.jpg)
93 Flex vs 2008ish Phil
(https://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2008/02/2-1.jpg)
Dorian vs Ronnie vs 93 Flex
(http://www.ambal.ru/i/359.jpg)
Flex was never better than he was in 93 and he got wiped out by Dorian. No knock on Flex, it is merely a testament to Yates greatness.
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awesome video here from 98
i just don't see how rhoden places top 6, he lacks the "HOLY SHIT" factor those guys had
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