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Title: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: NickEdge779 on December 19, 2018, 10:42:08 AM
I’ve heard of some pros eating only 3k calories a day and being 290+. Apparently jay cutler only eats like 2500 calories a day now and still holds 240 lbs as retired and training way less. and then you have guys like Juan Morel who has to eat 10k-15k calories a day just to maintain his size. Metabolisms makes no sense
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: IroNat on December 19, 2018, 10:43:14 AM
The drugs make your body very efficient at utilizing nutrients.

It's the drugs.

Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 19, 2018, 10:44:03 AM
I’ve heard of some pros eating only 3k calories a day and being 290+. Apparently jay cutler only eats like 2500 calories a day now and still holds 240 lbs as retired and training way less. and then you have guys like Juan Morel who has to eat 10k-15k calories a day just to maintain his size.
There is no way they are eating only 3,000 calories a day and there is also no way Juan Morel is eating 10k-15k a day.
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: NickEdge779 on December 19, 2018, 10:48:10 AM
There is no way they are eating only 3,000 calories a day and there is also no way Juan Morel is eating 10k-15k a day.

You see these guys on Instagram eating their stupid Megafit meals or xyz meal prep company and the meals have like 350 calories in them with 1 cup of rice, asparagus, and 8 oz of chicken. Either they are eating 5 megafit meals per meal or they are lying to promote the company or they actually only eat that much food
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: deadz on December 19, 2018, 10:49:01 AM
I’ve heard of some pros eating only 3k calories a day and being 290+. Apparently jay cutler only eats like 2500 calories a day now and still holds 240 lbs as retired and training way less. and then you have guys like Juan Morel who has to eat 10k-15k calories a day just to maintain his size. Metabolisms makes no sense
3-4K calories a day and you believe them. How’s life in High School these days..
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Wiggs on December 19, 2018, 10:52:20 AM
The drugs.
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 19, 2018, 10:53:18 AM
You see these guys on Instagram eating their stupid Megafit meals or xyz meal prep company and the meals have like 350 calories in them with 1 cup of rice, asparagus, and 8 oz of chicken. Either they are eating 5 megafit meals per meal or they are lying to promote the company or they actually only eat that much food
Back in the 1980's Vic Richards used to claim 10-15k a day as well and he was full of shit as well.  He said he ate all chicken and rice.  The amount of rice and chicken needed to get to that many calories would be impossible to consume on a daily basis.
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: NickEdge779 on December 19, 2018, 10:58:42 AM
Back in the 1980's Vic Richards used to claim 10-15k a day as well and he was full of shit as well.  He said he ate all chicken and rice.  The amount of rice and chicken needed to get to that many calories would be impossible to consume on a daily basis.
I just don’t see the point in lying about what you eat every day to the general public. It’s not like lying about drug use
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 19, 2018, 11:26:35 AM
They lie about everything including their diets and exercise program.
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: kh300 on December 19, 2018, 11:38:30 AM
Then they eat these meals acting like they're fucking heros. Oh wow you have to eat a plate of chicken for a living, so much harder then punching a clock for 12 hours  ::)
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 19, 2018, 11:41:43 AM
I’ve heard of some pros eating only 3k calories a day and being 290+. Apparently jay cutler only eats like 2500 calories a day now and still holds 240 lbs as retired and training way less. and then you have guys like Juan Morel who has to eat 10k-15k calories a day just to maintain his size. Metabolisms makes no sense

Need to be a little more specific. If you're talking contest prep, I'm sure there are times when they're 3k. Morel is NOT eating 10-15k on a daily basis, guaranteed. Yeah, I saw the cheat day video too.
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: kreator on December 19, 2018, 11:59:56 AM
Bodybuilders are inclined to lying. Period.
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: XFACTOR on December 19, 2018, 12:08:33 PM
Need to be a little more specific. If you're talking contest prep, I'm sure there are times when they're 3k. Morel is NOT eating 10-15k on a daily basis, guaranteed. Yeah, I saw the cheat day video too.

How many cals would you go down to when you were dieting down for a comp?
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Powerlift66 on December 19, 2018, 12:54:45 PM
Grams of test and other drugs like Deca, EQ, Mast, etc.
Lots of GH, Insulin, synthol, etc.

Heavy gallon jugs of water.

Fake, blown up, Michelin Men of Peace...
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 19, 2018, 01:06:08 PM
How many cals would you go down to when you were dieting down for a comp?

1800-2200 at my lowest (last comp)
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: michael arvilla on December 19, 2018, 01:07:42 PM
Back in the 1980's Vic Richards used to claim 10-15k a day as well and he was full of shit as well.  He said he ate all chicken and rice.  The amount of rice and chicken needed to get to that many calories would be impossible to consume on a daily basis.
Let me jump in here real quick ...back in early “90’s) Lynn Massachusetts gym owner (Freddy) paid Victor Richards a lot of money to come to his gym and train and give seminars... (did the same with Matarazzo and Demayo ) I spent some time with Victor (brought him to the nightclub I was working at and Revere Beach) One stipulation was Freddy have food for him every 2-3 hours ... it was chicken and rice in a white styrofoam container obviously from some resturant ... Victor would eat two  of them every couple of hours (saw him eat 3 of them even) .. not saying he ate like this all the time (was costing Freddy a fortune) ...  but for the weekend I got to hang with him he did ... the most important thing besides. Drugs was the food! If it wasn’t ready when he was ready to eat he got pissed ... he even ate it T the club ... I have never seen anyone that dedicated and eating that “ clean” before or so Since then.. gym was called “ Muscle Mania”
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Titus Pullo on December 19, 2018, 01:34:28 PM
They lie about everything including their diets and exercise program.

Dingdingdingding!

Besides, even IF some of these dudes routinely ate that much, I don't give a flying syphilis fuck what they are taking or how "hard" they train:  they'd be seat belted to the toilet for literally *hours* every day.

Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: XFACTOR on December 19, 2018, 01:46:30 PM
1800-2200 at my lowest (last comp)

That’s exactly where I’m at when I prep. Prep for the beach and pool parties that is. What portion of that was carbs?
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Powerlift66 on December 19, 2018, 01:46:50 PM
Let me jump in here real quick ...back in early “90’s) Lynn Massachusetts gym owner (Freddy) paid Victor Richards a lot of money to come to his gym and train and give seminars... (did the same with Matarazzo and Demayo ) I spent some time with Victor (brought him to the nightclub I was working at and Revere Beach) One stipulation was Freddy have food for him every 2-3 hours ... it was chicken and rice in a white styrofoam container obviously from some resturant ... Victor would eat two  of them every couple of hours (saw him eat 3 of them even) .. not saying he ate like this all the time (was costing Freddy a fortune) ...  but for the weekend I got to hang with him he did ... the most important thing besides. Drugs was the food! If it wasn’t ready when he was ready to eat he got pissed ... he even ate it T the club ... I have never seen anyone that dedicated and eating that “ clean” before or so Since then.. gym was called “ Muscle Mania”


City of Sin. Never been to that gym, but go to concerts there these days down the street. (Alice Cooper, Ted Nugent, etc.).
Was the MM Gym on Union St.?

Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: cephissus on December 19, 2018, 01:55:03 PM
A) everyone lies
B) no one knows how much food they "really need". everyone just finds "what works", a quantity which memory soon morphs into "what's necessary".
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: XFACTOR on December 19, 2018, 02:19:24 PM
A) everyone lies
B) no one knows how much food they "really need". everyone just finds "what works", a quantity which memory soon morphs into "what's necessary".

It’s definitely trial and error. Wonder if blood type or other components (aside from the obvious) dictate what works in terms of portions. Drugs is without a doubt the difference maker we all know that. You can completely change the rate at which you metabolize foods with drugs like T3 for exampl. Taking that shit would allow you to eat anything and stay lean.
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 19, 2018, 02:26:15 PM
That’s exactly where I’m at when I prep. Prep for the beach and pool parties that is. What portion of that was carbs?

It depends on how I looked on a particular day and how far our I was from a show. Usually about 100-125grms taken in before training and that was about it give or take.
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 19, 2018, 02:28:00 PM
Off-season 290lbs bodybuilder shouldn't need any more than 5800-6k per day and even that's a stretch.
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Mr Anabolic on December 19, 2018, 02:33:52 PM
Back in the 1980's Vic Richards used to claim 10-15k a day as well and he was full of shit as well.  He said he ate all chicken and rice.  The amount of rice and chicken needed to get to that many calories would be impossible to consume on a daily basis.

I could've sworn I read it was 30,000.  lol
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: michael arvilla on December 19, 2018, 03:06:23 PM
City of Sin. Never been to that gym, but go to concerts there these days down the street. (Alice Cooper, Ted Nugent, etc.).
Was the MM Gym on Union St.?


it was! (181 union street ... I don’t think it’s in operation anymore ) ... was a great hardcore gym!
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: cephissus on December 19, 2018, 03:22:26 PM
It’s definitely trial and error. Wonder if blood type or other components (aside from the obvious) dictate what works in terms of portions. Drugs is without a doubt the difference maker we all know that. You can completely change the rate at which you metabolize foods with drugs like T3 for exampl. Taking that shit would allow you to eat anything and stay lean.

what's the downside for T3?
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Grape Ape on December 19, 2018, 03:28:58 PM
You see these guys on Instagram eating their stupid Megafit meals or xyz meal prep company

No I don't, since I'm straight.
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 19, 2018, 03:40:16 PM
I could've sworn I read it was 30,000.  lol
You may be right.  I know it was some ridiculous amount.
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 19, 2018, 04:01:05 PM
It’s definitely trial and error. Wonder if blood type or other components (aside from the obvious) dictate what works in terms of portions. Drugs is without a doubt the difference maker we all know that. You can completely change the rate at which you metabolize foods with drugs like T3 for exampl. Taking that shit would allow you to eat anything and stay lean.

Nobody in their right mind would stay on T3 all year around especially in the off-season
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Bevo on December 19, 2018, 04:26:27 PM
They lie about everything including their diets and exercise program.

Age, height, dick size, gender, gay

All lies
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: TheShape. on December 19, 2018, 04:34:20 PM
Did Paul Dillst have a diet that consisted of McDonalds? It’s all in the drugs and the genetics.
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Primemuscle on December 19, 2018, 04:54:17 PM
I’ve heard of some pros eating only 3k calories a day and being 290+. Apparently jay cutler only eats like 2500 calories a day now and still holds 240 lbs as retired and training way less. and then you have guys like Juan Morel who has to eat 10k-15k calories a day just to maintain his size. Metabolisms makes no sense

Jay Cutler may have the metabolism of a sloth. Supposedly, he is 5'10". Maybe that's when he's wearing 3" heels.
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: trapz101 on December 19, 2018, 05:16:56 PM
Need to be a little more specific. If you're talking contest prep, I'm sure there are times when they're 3k. Morel is NOT eating 10-15k on a daily basis, guaranteed. Yeah, I saw the cheat day video too.

it was a day or two thing..even juan says that was crazy and he's not going to do those again these days...
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 19, 2018, 07:58:49 PM
it was a day or two thing..even juan says that was crazy and he's not going to do those again these days...

Exactly, the reality is rarely what people think then put on a gossip board as truth.
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: 6 Reps on December 19, 2018, 09:23:45 PM
Regan Grimes:
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Bevo on December 19, 2018, 11:28:11 PM
One of our fellow getbiggers, forgot his name, bald guy got ready for a show on mainly on protein shakes
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: BB on December 19, 2018, 11:42:03 PM
I could've sworn I read it was 30,000.  lol

Yes, it kept creeping up over the years. Someone who dealt with him on MFW (Misc.Fitness.Weights) posted this account of dealing with him in the early 90's -




by Ron Cecchini
Originally posted to misc.fitness
Date: 28 Oct 1993 16:38:38 GMT


I saw Vic Richards last Friday night at a seminar he gave at Vinny Greco's Powerhouse Gym in Watertown, Ma.

I didn't write anything down, so I'm going just from memory. Anyway, I'm just going to ramble...

First of all, Vic Richards *is* the largest human alive. I am now convinced of it. I've seen pros in person before (side note: if you've never seen a pro in person, you're in for a shock. You can not imagine how big they really are just from the magazines.), but this guy pretty much blew my mind away.

He started off with his background and stuff, why he doesn't compete, etc. He believes that you should bodybuild for the love of it, not to win fame or trophies. If you do it for those reasons, then you'll never succeed. But if you love it, and pour your all into it, those things will eventually come.

He said that at 16, he was already 220 pounds with 17" arms. BTW, he is 5'9" or 5'10" and claims to be 315 pounds. I didn't believe it at the seminar, but the following night he guest posed at a contest and, after seeing him without his clothes, I was more apt to believe it.

He said the Barbarians are the ones that got him into training, and taught him everything for the first 4 years. He also says (like someone else did around here) that they're 2 of the nicest people you'll ever want to meet. He says that they always have time to talk to anyone - no matter how small you are - to talk about training, etc. He believes the reason they're so nice goes along with why they don't compete. They bodybuild because they love it, not to win trophies.

Other things (in non-chronological order):

[NOTE: All quotes are paraphrased. Sorry - didn't have a tape recorder.]

He backed up his claim of eating 30,000 calories.
"I eat," he said.

Moreover, he still claims that they're "clean" calories. No fats or MCTs, *and* he doesn't believe in using a blender - he never drinks his calories.

So, supposedly he gets 30,000 calories from eating the following meal 5-6 times a day (someone should calculate the actual numbers):

Meal:
3 pounds of brown rice.
5 chicken breasts.
15-20 egg whites.
2 cans of corn.
1 can of pineapple.
Vic believes carbs are more important than protein, and says that eating large amounts of carbs is one of the biggest secrets in bodybuilding. He eats almost at least 15 pounds of rice a day , and says that you should never go to bed hungry.
However, he claims that he wakes up in the morning and goes to the gym *without* having eaten first, and often works out for up to 3 hours.

"A hungry man is an angry man. I like to be angry when I train. I train harder when I'm angry."

So, supposedly, he doesn't get a jump on his 30,000 calories for a good long while after he wakes up...

Being that this is Matarazzo's home town (and Vic annoyingly called him "Mazaratto" the whole time), someone asked about his run-ins with Mike.
He claims that he has nothing against Mike, but for some reason Mike kept feeling it necessary to say things about him behind his back. Vic thinks it was done out of some kind of insecurity on Mike's part.

And even though Vic claimed that this stuff doesn't bother him and he couldn't care less about anybody but Vic Richards, he apparently did confront Mike (in San Jose, I think):

"You been talkin' shit?" [this got a laugh out of the crowd]

"No no no - that's just the magazines! I never said those things. They just want to see us do battle because we're the big guys..." blah blah blah

So Vic thought that they had apparently made up, but then he heard Mike was supposedly saying more stuff about him (all through the grapevine, BTW).

Anyway, he concluded that story with:

"I think the reason that Mike and Sandy had so many problems is that, instead of thinking about pleasing Sandy, Mike went to bed worrying about Vic Richards too much."

One young kid (apparently with pretty big nads) asked him:
"You haven't qualified to compete in the Nationals. You haven't qualified to compete in the pro ranks - yet, you do. How do you get to compete with the pros?"

"There is nothing wrong with being competent in one's ability. It's not arrogance, it's just a confidence in what I can do..." blah blah blah

To which the kid goes:

"No no no - you haven't answered my question! You didn't qualify for the Nationals, you didn't qualify for the pros - how come you get to compete?!"

The crowd was laughing.

"That's what I like about young kids. They're not afraid to ask anything. They just come right out with it."

Here he pauses dramatically.

"I don't have to qualify."

More pause.

[paraphrase]
"I believe I am very unique. And when you have a physique like mine, you shouldn't have to qualify."

He dropped out of school after one year. He doesn't believe in following an "established" philosophy:
"When you go to school, you learn about philosophies started by other people. I'd rather make my own. In a way, I graduated and got a degree from the Vic Richards school of life."

Said that bodybuilding was about being big, and that a "little" guy should never win.
His list of big guys was: himself, Strydom, the Barbarians and Jim Quinn. Noticeably missing was Matarazzo, which everyone around me started talking about. (I really didn't care, since I'm not a Matarazzo fan. Hey - I'm really not even a New Englander!)

He doesn't have a pre-set schedule. He never knows what he's going to train until he gets to the gym. He never counts sets or reps. He just works until he feels like he's done.
He also likes to go heavy and take as much rest as he needs in between sets.

"I'm in the gym to build muscle - not to do aerobics."

He beat around the bush on the drug issue ("I'm not saying I do, I'm not saying I don't.") but eventually indicated that he does do it (duh...).
He wouldn't say what he did, because, as he put it:

"I don't want to give anyone a noose to put around my neck."

I tried asking him about cycles in a way that wouldn't be too personal:

"I'll try to ask this in an impersonal way: What is your *philosophy* on the length of a cycle and the number of cycles done in a year?"

But he wouldn't comment at all. All he said was that he could get in serious trouble if he answered my question, because what if I went out and did something and got hurt, 'cause then I could say "Well, Vic Richards said..."

He said I could ask him one-on-one about it, but I didn't.

When asked about overtraining, he goes:
"Um, how can I put this nicely... Overtraining is a word used by the weak."

He believes (as I am inclined to) that if a bodypart gets lots of rest between workouts, and you get enough sleep and nutrients, that you won't overtrain.

I splurged and spent the $10 for his autograph. While I was up there, I said:
"One more thing: your hams - they're phenomenal!" (and oh man are they!) What do you do to train 'em?"

"Thank you. Basically, just lying leg curls. I don't like standing curls."

"What about stiff-legged deadlifts? I do them quite often, but never feel my hams as good as with leg curls."

"Me too. The deadlifts don't isolate the hams enough. I hardly do them. Stay with the leg curls - especially lying down."

Overall, I don't know - pretty entertaining. One of my bb friends who was there thought Vic was a hypocrite (especially about the Matarazzo story) and said that he didn't learn anything. I told him that I never go to these things to really *learn* anything - I mean, what are they really going to tell you that you haven't heard before? But he said he's been to some seminars where the guys really give you some good information about dieting and nutrition, etc.

Another friend of mine said that it really would be useless to ask Vic anything, because he probably doesn't know a whole hell of alot because he can rely on his (supernatural - my word) genetics. Whatever. But it is true that some of the hugest guys you see really don't know as much about proper training and nutrition as most of the people even in this group.
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: SOMEPARTS on December 19, 2018, 11:44:43 PM
No I don't, since I'm straight.


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Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Bevo on December 19, 2018, 11:53:24 PM
Yes, it kept creeping up over the years. Someone who dealt with him on MFW (Misc.Fitness.Weights) posted this account of dealing with him in the early 90's -




by Ron Cecchini
Originally posted to misc.fitness
Date: 28 Oct 1993 16:38:38 GMT


I saw Vic Richards last Friday night at a seminar he gave at Vinny Greco's Powerhouse Gym in Watertown, Ma.

I didn't write anything down, so I'm going just from memory. Anyway, I'm just going to ramble...

First of all, Vic Richards *is* the largest human alive. I am now convinced of it. I've seen pros in person before (side note: if you've never seen a pro in person, you're in for a shock. You can not imagine how big they really are just from the magazines.), but this guy pretty much blew my mind away.

He started off with his background and stuff, why he doesn't compete, etc. He believes that you should bodybuild for the love of it, not to win fame or trophies. If you do it for those reasons, then you'll never succeed. But if you love it, and pour your all into it, those things will eventually come.

He said that at 16, he was already 220 pounds with 17" arms. BTW, he is 5'9" or 5'10" and claims to be 315 pounds. I didn't believe it at the seminar, but the following night he guest posed at a contest and, after seeing him without his clothes, I was more apt to believe it.

He said the Barbarians are the ones that got him into training, and taught him everything for the first 4 years. He also says (like someone else did around here) that they're 2 of the nicest people you'll ever want to meet. He says that they always have time to talk to anyone - no matter how small you are - to talk about training, etc. He believes the reason they're so nice goes along with why they don't compete. They bodybuild because they love it, not to win trophies.

Other things (in non-chronological order):

[NOTE: All quotes are paraphrased. Sorry - didn't have a tape recorder.]

He backed up his claim of eating 30,000 calories.
"I eat," he said.

Moreover, he still claims that they're "clean" calories. No fats or MCTs, *and* he doesn't believe in using a blender - he never drinks his calories.

So, supposedly he gets 30,000 calories from eating the following meal 5-6 times a day (someone should calculate the actual numbers):

Meal:
3 pounds of brown rice.
5 chicken breasts.
15-20 egg whites.
2 cans of corn.
1 can of pineapple.
Vic believes carbs are more important than protein, and says that eating large amounts of carbs is one of the biggest secrets in bodybuilding. He eats almost at least 15 pounds of rice a day , and says that you should never go to bed hungry.
However, he claims that he wakes up in the morning and goes to the gym *without* having eaten first, and often works out for up to 3 hours.

"A hungry man is an angry man. I like to be angry when I train. I train harder when I'm angry."

So, supposedly, he doesn't get a jump on his 30,000 calories for a good long while after he wakes up...

Being that this is Matarazzo's home town (and Vic annoyingly called him "Mazaratto" the whole time), someone asked about his run-ins with Mike.
He claims that he has nothing against Mike, but for some reason Mike kept feeling it necessary to say things about him behind his back. Vic thinks it was done out of some kind of insecurity on Mike's part.

And even though Vic claimed that this stuff doesn't bother him and he couldn't care less about anybody but Vic Richards, he apparently did confront Mike (in San Jose, I think):

"You been talkin' shit?" [this got a laugh out of the crowd]

"No no no - that's just the magazines! I never said those things. They just want to see us do battle because we're the big guys..." blah blah blah

So Vic thought that they had apparently made up, but then he heard Mike was supposedly saying more stuff about him (all through the grapevine, BTW).

Anyway, he concluded that story with:

"I think the reason that Mike and Sandy had so many problems is that, instead of thinking about pleasing Sandy, Mike went to bed worrying about Vic Richards too much."

One young kid (apparently with pretty big nads) asked him:
"You haven't qualified to compete in the Nationals. You haven't qualified to compete in the pro ranks - yet, you do. How do you get to compete with the pros?"

"There is nothing wrong with being competent in one's ability. It's not arrogance, it's just a confidence in what I can do..." blah blah blah

To which the kid goes:

"No no no - you haven't answered my question! You didn't qualify for the Nationals, you didn't qualify for the pros - how come you get to compete?!"

The crowd was laughing.

"That's what I like about young kids. They're not afraid to ask anything. They just come right out with it."

Here he pauses dramatically.

"I don't have to qualify."

More pause.

[paraphrase]
"I believe I am very unique. And when you have a physique like mine, you shouldn't have to qualify."

He dropped out of school after one year. He doesn't believe in following an "established" philosophy:
"When you go to school, you learn about philosophies started by other people. I'd rather make my own. In a way, I graduated and got a degree from the Vic Richards school of life."

Said that bodybuilding was about being big, and that a "little" guy should never win.
His list of big guys was: himself, Strydom, the Barbarians and Jim Quinn. Noticeably missing was Matarazzo, which everyone around me started talking about. (I really didn't care, since I'm not a Matarazzo fan. Hey - I'm really not even a New Englander!)

He doesn't have a pre-set schedule. He never knows what he's going to train until he gets to the gym. He never counts sets or reps. He just works until he feels like he's done.
He also likes to go heavy and take as much rest as he needs in between sets.

"I'm in the gym to build muscle - not to do aerobics."

He beat around the bush on the drug issue ("I'm not saying I do, I'm not saying I don't.") but eventually indicated that he does do it (duh...).
He wouldn't say what he did, because, as he put it:

"I don't want to give anyone a noose to put around my neck."

I tried asking him about cycles in a way that wouldn't be too personal:

"I'll try to ask this in an impersonal way: What is your *philosophy* on the length of a cycle and the number of cycles done in a year?"

But he wouldn't comment at all. All he said was that he could get in serious trouble if he answered my question, because what if I went out and did something and got hurt, 'cause then I could say "Well, Vic Richards said..."

He said I could ask him one-on-one about it, but I didn't.

When asked about overtraining, he goes:
"Um, how can I put this nicely... Overtraining is a word used by the weak."

He believes (as I am inclined to) that if a bodypart gets lots of rest between workouts, and you get enough sleep and nutrients, that you won't overtrain.

I splurged and spent the $10 for his autograph. While I was up there, I said:
"One more thing: your hams - they're phenomenal!" (and oh man are they!) What do you do to train 'em?"

"Thank you. Basically, just lying leg curls. I don't like standing curls."

"What about stiff-legged deadlifts? I do them quite often, but never feel my hams as good as with leg curls."

"Me too. The deadlifts don't isolate the hams enough. I hardly do them. Stay with the leg curls - especially lying down."

Overall, I don't know - pretty entertaining. One of my bb friends who was there thought Vic was a hypocrite (especially about the Matarazzo story) and said that he didn't learn anything. I told him that I never go to these things to really *learn* anything - I mean, what are they really going to tell you that you haven't heard before? But he said he's been to some seminars where the guys really give you some good information about dieting and nutrition, etc.

Another friend of mine said that it really would be useless to ask Vic anything, because he probably doesn't know a whole hell of alot because he can rely on his (supernatural - my word) genetics. Whatever. But it is true that some of the hugest guys you see really don't know as much about proper training and nutrition as most of the people even in this group.


Sounds like a real tool

And was scared to compete with the top pros of the era
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 20, 2018, 03:37:39 AM
Just a permabulker who was trained by the Barbarian brothers.  His imagination got a little out of hand believing he could beat pros onstage.  Won the Nigerian Championships to get his pro card  ::) and then never competed against pros.  If he had to get in real contest shape he would not have been as big as Yates or Dillet.
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 20, 2018, 04:52:33 AM
Just a permabulker who was trained by the Barbarian brothers.  His imagination got a little out of hand believing he could beat pros onstage.  Won the Nigerian Championships to get his pro card  ::) and then never competed against pros.  If he had to get in real contest shape he would not have been as big as Yates or Dillet.

And dated my lesbian ex-Wife (#1) after we split up :-\
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Mr Anabolic on December 20, 2018, 06:13:24 AM

Sounds like a real tool

And was scared to compete with the top pros of the era

The hype surrounding this guy was absurd.  Severe case of androgen-brain.  Huge legs, but average chest and very high lats.  

If it was even possible to eat 30K calories of clean food per day, you wouldn't have any time to work out.  You would be sitting on a toilet 4-5x a day.
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: michael arvilla on December 20, 2018, 06:21:24 AM
The hype surrounding this guy was absurd.  Severe case of androgen-brain.  Huge legs, but average chest and very high lats.  

If it was even possible to eat 30K calories of clean food per day, you wouldn't have any time to work out.  You would be sitting on a toilet 4-5x a day.
Did you ever see him in person/ in his prime? (The “ hype” was he made other bodybuilders look like children he was so huge...the hype was real! Did that translate to the posing Dias? No)
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Mr Anabolic on December 20, 2018, 06:28:48 AM
Did you ever see him in person/ in his prime? (The “ hype” was he made other bodybuilders look like children he was so huge...the hype was real! Did that translate to the posing Dias? No)

Vic was big, but waaaaay over-hyped.  Most of time he looked like a watery bloat bag.  He could not overcome his structure flaws, which there were many. 
 
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: XFACTOR on December 20, 2018, 06:30:14 AM
Nobody in their right mind would stay on T3 all year around especially in the off-season

Not saying that at all. But it’s a drug that changes the dynamic at which you metabolize food. Crazy concept!
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Disco187 on December 20, 2018, 09:07:58 AM
Regan Grimes:

That shirt is a turtle neck with no sleeves
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on December 20, 2018, 09:45:50 AM
I’ve heard of some pros eating only 3k calories a day and being 290+. Apparently jay cutler only eats like 2500 calories a day now and still holds 240 lbs as retired and training way less. and then you have guys like Juan Morel who has to eat 10k-15k calories a day just to maintain his size. Metabolisms makes no sense

Cutler's current diet is well documented on his YouTube channel, if you are curious.  :)
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: irishdave on December 20, 2018, 12:32:06 PM
And dated my lesbian ex-Wife (#1) after we split up :-\

You married a woman who fucked a black? Shame on you shorty
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: kreator on December 20, 2018, 12:53:30 PM
You married a woman who fucked a black? Shame on you shorty

Disgusting indeed
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 20, 2018, 01:45:24 PM
You married a woman who fucked a black? Shame on you shorty

Put the Irish Whiskey down and re-read what I wrote.
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 20, 2018, 01:55:29 PM
And dated my lesbian ex-Wife (#1) after we split up :-\
Was she the totally hot blonde with him in the mags? :P  That was the only woman I ever saw him with.
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 20, 2018, 03:42:07 PM
Was she the totally hot blonde with him in the mags? :P  That was the only woman I ever saw him with.

No, this was before he became popular
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: AbrahamG on December 20, 2018, 03:46:20 PM
No, this was before he became popular

Are you 100% certain he wasn't diddling her while you were still together?  Have you been tested for sickle cell?
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 20, 2018, 04:28:10 PM
Are you 100% certain he wasn't diddling her while you were still together?  Have you been tested for sickle cell?

She's literally gay. I don't think he was diddling her, her girlfriend was, but he wasn't lol
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 21, 2018, 03:27:36 AM
She's literally gay. I don't think he was diddling her, her girlfriend was, but he wasn't lol
In hindsight were there clues before you married her?
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: powerbar on December 22, 2018, 06:07:22 PM
I've thought the same thing.  I'm currently at about 4700kcals and close to maintenance at about 202 pounds.  I've been as high as 5600kcals in the offseason and never been even 230.
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 22, 2018, 06:23:05 PM
In hindsight were there clues before you married her?

None, we met in the gym. I just turned 17 and she was 14. We got married when she was 20 and I was 23. Divorced 4 years later. In between that time she started training with another chick (which was fine because I was training with Gus Rethswich for the Running Man movie) needless to say the other chick was gay and the rest was history :-\
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: lilhawk1 on December 22, 2018, 08:43:20 PM
Nobody in their right mind would stay on T3 all year around especially in the off-season

Not true at all.  TRT doc has clients on T3/T4 combo that take GH and levels are brought into normal range, and no higher. 
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 22, 2018, 08:54:09 PM
Not true at all.  TRT doc has clients on T3/T4 combo that take GH and levels are brought into normal range, and no higher. 
I’m talking for bodybuilding purposes. I don’t know what TRT docs you’re referring too, but unless there’s a real problem, no.
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: tres_taco_combo on December 22, 2018, 09:06:29 PM
diet is case by case #1 so guys do put down a ton of cals - 5k to 6k daily


my most successful diet - i will be following it very soon

for me - i do best on a keto (meso type)
1.5 grams to of protein per LB
.60 grams of fats bet LB

215lbs  x 1.5 grams of protein per LB  = 300 grams daily
215lbs x  .60 grams of fat per lb = 130 grams of fat daily
40-50 grams of carbs only from veggie sources (fruits are cucumbers and a daily avocado)
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: 6 Reps on December 22, 2018, 09:32:11 PM
Joey “Swoll” Sergo:
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: cephissus on December 22, 2018, 11:29:51 PM
diet is case by case #1 so guys do put down a ton of cals - 5k to 6k daily


my most successful diet - i will be following it very soon

for me - i do best on a keto (meso type)
1.5 grams to of protein per LB
.60 grams of fats bet LB

215lbs  x 1.5 grams of protein per LB  = 300 grams daily
215lbs x  .60 grams of fat per lb = 130 grams of fat daily
40-50 grams of carbs only from veggie sources (fruits are cucumbers and a daily avocado)


do you measure blood ketones? if so, what mmol do you get on this diet?
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: kreator on December 23, 2018, 12:44:45 AM
diet is case by case #1 so guys do put down a ton of cals - 5k to 6k daily


my most successful diet - i will be following it very soon

for me - i do best on a keto (meso type)
1.5 grams to of protein per LB
.60 grams of fats bet LB

215lbs  x 1.5 grams of protein per LB  = 300 grams daily
215lbs x  .60 grams of fat per lb = 130 grams of fat daily
40-50 grams of carbs only from veggie sources (fruits are cucumbers and a daily avocado)


A bit high protein intake for keto isn‘t it? This can lead to your body turning protein into glucose or am i wrong?
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Bevo on December 23, 2018, 02:56:00 AM
Joey “Swoll” Sergo:

What a balding idiot , wears a hat in every pic, prob wears one to church and funerals
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 23, 2018, 03:54:08 AM
None, we met in the gym. I just turned 17 and she was 14. We got married when she was 20 and I was 23. Divorced 4 years later. In between that time she started training with another chick (which was fine because I was training with Gus Rethswich for the Running Man movie) needless to say the other chick was gay and the rest was history :-\
So she was dating Vic Richards while dating the chick at the same time?
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: tres_taco_combo on December 23, 2018, 07:20:37 AM
A bit high protein intake for keto isn‘t it? This can lead to your body turning protein into glucose or am i wrong?

its more of the palumbo diet than a "true keto"

a true keto diet doesn't have enough protein for a hard training pre contest bber  hence the more protein
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: tres_taco_combo on December 23, 2018, 07:21:23 AM
Joey “Swoll” Sergo:

why doesnt he compete in the 212s?

Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 23, 2018, 08:01:36 AM
why doesnt he compete in the 212s?



He hasn’t competed in years but says going too again. He’s right around 245-250 right at 5’9
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: tres_taco_combo on December 23, 2018, 08:07:33 AM
He hasn’t competed in years but says going too again. He’s right around 245-250 right at 5’9

he lives by you in Orange County.

Coach - do these social media guys make any real money in what they do? (Not hating or trolling) just asking


Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 23, 2018, 08:25:14 AM
he lives by you in Orange County.

Coach - do these social media guys make any real money in what they do? (Not hating or trolling) just asking




He trains at my gym. Nice guy big af. I would say he pulls in a very nice living from social media. He also is part owner in a supplement line. Probably does well with his online training as well.
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: 20inch calves on December 23, 2018, 08:53:06 AM
Joey “Swoll” Sergo:

Dude looks great..no homo
Title: Re: How are some IFBB pros able to get so massive eating only 3-4K calories a day
Post by: 6 Reps on December 25, 2018, 10:00:06 PM
Yes, it kept creeping up over the years. Someone who dealt with him on MFW (Misc.Fitness.Weights) posted this account of dealing with him in the early 90's -




by Ron Cecchini
Originally posted to misc.fitness
Date: 28 Oct 1993 16:38:38 GMT


I saw Vic Richards last Friday night at a seminar he gave at Vinny Greco's Powerhouse Gym in Watertown, Ma.

I didn't write anything down, so I'm going just from memory. Anyway, I'm just going to ramble...

First of all, Vic Richards *is* the largest human alive. I am now convinced of it. I've seen pros in person before (side note: if you've never seen a pro in person, you're in for a shock. You can not imagine how big they really are just from the magazines.), but this guy pretty much blew my mind away.

He started off with his background and stuff, why he doesn't compete, etc. He believes that you should bodybuild for the love of it, not to win fame or trophies. If you do it for those reasons, then you'll never succeed. But if you love it, and pour your all into it, those things will eventually come.

He said that at 16, he was already 220 pounds with 17" arms. BTW, he is 5'9" or 5'10" and claims to be 315 pounds. I didn't believe it at the seminar, but the following night he guest posed at a contest and, after seeing him without his clothes, I was more apt to believe it.

He said the Barbarians are the ones that got him into training, and taught him everything for the first 4 years. He also says (like someone else did around here) that they're 2 of the nicest people you'll ever want to meet. He says that they always have time to talk to anyone - no matter how small you are - to talk about training, etc. He believes the reason they're so nice goes along with why they don't compete. They bodybuild because they love it, not to win trophies.

Other things (in non-chronological order):

[NOTE: All quotes are paraphrased. Sorry - didn't have a tape recorder.]

He backed up his claim of eating 30,000 calories.
"I eat," he said.

Moreover, he still claims that they're "clean" calories. No fats or MCTs, *and* he doesn't believe in using a blender - he never drinks his calories.

So, supposedly he gets 30,000 calories from eating the following meal 5-6 times a day (someone should calculate the actual numbers):