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TRT pioneer John Crisler died yesterday. No cause released yet.
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TRT pioneer John Crisler died yesterday. No cause released yet.
Oh man that sucks. He had a heart attach recently. Looked healthy but who knows what was going on with him.
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OMG maybe his cholesterol was too high? It's strange that a guy in such good shape would have a heart attack and he still has not come up with an explanation.
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Beating SF1900 to the punch:
Genetic heart defect.
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Oh man that sucks. He had a heart attach recently. Looked healthy but who knows what was going on with him.
Yeah, I think it was about a year ago or so.
Sad to see someone so on top of his health numbers was unable to stop or get on top of whatever the issue was.
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Beating SF1900 to the punch:
Genetic heart defect.
Nothing to do with too much T.
His 8th cousin on his grandmothers side had a heart defect. Clearly genetic.
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Nothing to do with too much T.
His 8th cousin on his grandmothers side had a heart defect. Clearly genetic.
;D
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TRT pioneer John Crisler died yesterday. No cause released yet.
The LeBaron waa an underrated automobile.
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Suicide but I’m sure steroids will still be blamed.
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If suicide, interesting statistic is that 40% of physicians suffer from symptoms of depression in a given year (surgeons less so). Corporations and computers have taken the satisfaction out of it. The old school family doctor controlled his own destiny and had a relationship with patients.
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If suicide, interesting statistic is that 40% of physicians suffer from symptoms of depression in a given year (surgeons less so). Corporations and computers have taken the satisfaction out of it. The old school family doctor controlled his own destiny and had a relationship with patients.
A lot of doctors off themselves when they get a terminal disease as well. They know how it's going to end so they just say "fuck it, I'm outta here."
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I don't know too much about him. Is he one of those anti aging doctors that prescribe testosterone and growth hormone? There are studies that show increased incidences of heart attack and stroke with testosterone replacement. It is theorized it thickens the blood changing the viscosity.
At least he died a muscular man at 60. All genetic predisposition right?
His consent form:I hereby agree and authorize John Crisler, DO PLLC (abbreviated from now on as
"ATM") to treat me for high serum estrogen levels and/or low endogenous testosterone
production, which is expected as a consequence of anabolic/androgenic steroid use.
Alternatively, I may be applying for Hormone Replacement Therapy. I understand that I
am contracting with ATM for treatment of these two specific conditions only, and that
any other medical problems I may experience now, or in the future, must be diagnosed
and treated by my own physician.
I agree it is my personal decision to use anabolic/androgenic steroids (for AAS Consults) and that ATM does not condone their usage. ATM has not given me any advice on how to use steroids, except to help protect my health or warn me of their possible side effects. I will not ask ATM for advice on how to use anabolic steroids, or for help in designing a steroid cycle.
I understand that by signing this agreement I am giving up the right to sue ATM, its doctors, anyone connected in any way with ATM, or the pharmacy(s) which fulfill
ATM's prescriptions FOR ANY REASON WHATSOEVER, FOREVER.
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Suicide but I’m sure steroids will still be blamed.
Guess it may have been by hanging is the rumor. Just had an argument/disagreement with the other individuals on the TRT podcast he was on and got kicked off for a bit.
Apparently had his demons from the description given of him plus even in their tribute to him on that podcast there were some definite issues going on. Brilliant guy, however.
Apparently very egotistical/proud. Maybe got to him (amongst other things) that he wasn't necessarily the only TRT top dog anymore and was part of a few now.
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He was a pioneer in Men's health.
https://drjohncrisler.com/index.html
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He definitely wasn't one of the pill mill docs. From everything I saw, without being a patient, he understood the benefits of TRT but still acted as a responsible doctor. You had to see him in person to be treated, stuff like that.
I think years ago he was a bodybuilder, if even a weekend warrior type, so that's why people in the Getbig sphere knew of him. He understood that not everyone seeking TRT was just trying to be an IFBB pro. (That only requires a few dbol and impeccable meal timing as it were.)
To hear of his passing is quite suprising. As far as I know, he didn't have many of the common doctor problems brought up earlier, which revolve mainly around working for a hospital and dealing with insurance. I don't think he took insurance, and he definitely operated a private practice.
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He definitely wasn't one of the pill mill docs. From everything I saw, without being a patient, he understood the benefits of TRT but still acted as a responsible doctor. You had to see him in person to be treated, stuff like that.
I think years ago he was a bodybuilder, if even a weekend warrior type, so that's why people in the Getbig sphere knew of him. He understood that not everyone seeking TRT was just trying to be an IFBB pro. (That only requires a few dbol and impeccable meal timing as it were.)
To hear of his passing is quite suprising. As far as I know, he didn't have many of the common doctor problems brought up earlier, which revolve mainly around working for a hospital and dealing with insurance. I don't think he took insurance, and he definitely operated a private practice.
I agree with your assessment of Dr. Crisler. One thing that I believe that you are mistaken about is having to see him in person. This information is from his website, All Things Male.
In order for Dr. Crisler to provide medical treatment, order lab work, and prescribe needed medications, you must be a part of our practice.
1. If you are local you may simply schedule an appointment.
2. If you are out of state, you may schedule a day trip.
3. If you don't want to make the trip, you may have your primary care provider consult with Dr. Crisler. Additional information below.
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I agree with your assessment of Dr. Crisler. One thing that I believe that you are mistaken about is having to see him in person. This information is from his website, All Things Male.
In order for Dr. Crisler to provide medical treatment, order lab work, and prescribe needed medications, you must be a part of our practice.
1. If you are local you may simply schedule an appointment.
2. If you are out of state, you may schedule a day trip.
3. If you don't want to make the trip, you may have your primary care provider consult with Dr. Crisler. Additional information below.
Basically he could try to talk to your doctor because many primary care docs out there know nothing about TRT other than "rub androgel on yourself in the morning." But that #3 wouldn't make you his patient.
To be his patient I think you had to see him at least once a year.
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Office staff condolences mention several factors leading up (this link already in a post above)
https://drjohncrisler.com/index.html
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Basically he could try to talk to your doctor because many primary care docs out there know nothing about TRT other than "rub androgel on yourself in the morning." But that #3 wouldn't make you his patient.
To be his patient I think you had to see him at least once a year.
Annual follow up consults can be done by phone. According to the information on the website.
The paragraph below copied from the All Things Male website suggests it does, but conditionally.
"In order to treat you virtually without an in house initial consultation, Dr. Crisler will need to work through your primary care physician or process you as an Advice Only Consult. To have your local physician work with us, just have your doctor’s office call and schedule a time for your primary to confer with Dr. Crisler about your situation. If he/she is willing, you may be able to sit in on this conference. Dr. Crisler has a publication entitled “ TRT: A Recipe for Success” available on the website. This may be helpful information for you to take to your doctor when making this decision. All protocols, labs, medications etc. will be processed via your primary care physician per Dr. Crisler’s recommendations."
Frankly, it is better and much less expensive to go to a urologist or an endocrinologist in your area. My urologist prescribes both the testosterone cyp I inject and any lab work needed. All of this is covered under my medical insurance. My copays are very reasonable. The last time I filled my test prescription I paid around $30. for a 90 day supply. Labs are $10. and the doctor co-pay is $40.
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So you're saying we shouldn't really bother to see Dr. Crisler?
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Not every man can handle so must testosterone as they get older. My childhood friend Leif Tiahrt died at 48 of a heart attack while working out in the gym he owned in Santa Barbara. His parents, both in their 80's, were there to bury him. Very sad.
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Not every man can handle so must testosterone as they get older. My childhood friend Leif Tiahrt died at 48 of a heart attack while working out in the gym he owned in Santa Barbara. His parents, both in their 80's, were there to bury him. Very sad.
People on here keep posting like it was a heart attack. It was suicide. Confirmed.
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People on here keep posting like it was a heart attack. It was suicide. Confirmed.
Where is it confirmed?
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Not every man can handle so must testosterone as they get older. My childhood friend Leif Tiahrt died at 48 of a heart attack while working out in the gym he owned in Santa Barbara. His parents, both in their 80's, were there to bury him. Very sad.
Do you still live in Santa Barbara?
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No sir, moved back to Illinois 5 years ago.
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Santa Barbara is one of the cities in Cali I always considered moving to if I ever moved back out west.
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Where is it confirmed?
Jay Campbell podcast straight out says it and Crislers site in a round about way without coming out and explicitly stating it.
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Jay Campbell podcast straight out says it and Crislers site in a round about way without coming out and explicitly stating it.
Campbell's pc didn't provide a cause.
At least the one posted on YouTube. Throw up some links.
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Campbell's pc didn't provide a cause.
At least the one posted on YouTube. Throw up some links.
Here is the transcript:
https://superhumanradio.net/transcript-to-shr-2291-we-pay-homage-to-dr-john-crisler
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Start reading at "And so we found 16. And everybody's like well he must have had another heart attack. But the reality is John took his own life.....
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Santa Barbara is one of the cities in Cali I always considered moving to if I ever moved back out west.
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Guess it may have been by hanging is the rumor. Just had an argument/disagreement with the other individuals on the TRT podcast he was on and got kicked off for a bit.
Apparently had his demons from the description given of him plus even in their tribute to him on that podcast there were some definite issues going on. Brilliant guy, however.
Apparently very egotistical/proud. Maybe got to him (amongst other things) that he wasn't necessarily the only TRT top dog anymore and was part of a few now.
He was never a top dog. I have been on TRT for idiopathic hypogonadism for quite some time. My doctor was the chairman of urology at a hospital and is a urological surgeon. Nearly everyone I know on TRT (NOT “cycling” with rogue or anti-aging doc’s) receives TRT from urologists who know what they’re doing. Thanks to my doc being a fertility expert I have one kid with another on the way.
It is sad he committed suicide but he was not a pioneer of TRT. He was however a great promoter. What I disliked was that he made TRT use be some sophisticated transhumanist mission.
That’s all. I won’t belittling a dead man. RiP.
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What a lot of beat around the bush spiritualist gobble-dee-gook in that podcast.
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He was never a top dog. I have been on TRT for idiopathic hypogonadism for quite some time. My doctor was the chairman of urology at a hospital and is a urological surgeon. Nearly everyone I know on TRT (NOT “cycling” with rogue or anti-aging doc’s) receives TRT from urologists who know what they’re doing. Thanks to my doc being a fertility expert I have one kid with another on the way.
It is sad he committed suicide but he was not a pioneer of TRT. He was however a great promoter. What I disliked was that he made TRT use be some sophisticated transhumanist mission.
That’s all. I won’t belittling a dead man. RiP.
We will disagree on this. Most of the urologists/endos I (and many others) have dealt with have been atrocious/not knowing what they are doing.
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Damn it I did not know that he died.
I just watched a vid of him "injecting a little bit more TRT,because he is a hyper-excreter".
It seems all of us injecting test are doomed. >:(
Rest in pieces doc.
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Was devoted to the problem of aging. Solved it.
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The LeBaron waa an underrated automobile.
;D
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No idea who this guy is.
But sad.
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I've pretty much followed Dr. John Crisler's advice regarding TRT. One exception would me that my test dosage is lower than he recommended. Of course, there's no telling when I'll die and what of, but I feel very healthy.
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I've pretty much followed Dr. John Crisler's advice regarding TRT. One exception would me that my test dosage is lower than he recommended. Of course, there's no telling when I'll die and what of, but I feel very healthy.
you take low dose HCG everyday?
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No idea who this guy is.
But sad.
Innovator in regards HCG usage on cycle.
He used to post on several boards. Username was Swale.
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you take low dose HCG everyday?
Nope. I inject 100 mg of testosterone cypionate every Monday (Dr. Crisler suggested 250 mg), 1 mg of Anastrozole every Wednesday and inject 25 units of HCG on Saturday and Sunday. Daily low dose of HCG might also work, but why change? A three month supply of testosterone costs me $21. with insurance. Switching to daily HCG would be much more costly, since it is not covered.
Recently, I added 25 mg Clomid daily. Someone here suggested to me that it might help improve libido. So far, nothing spectacular has happen. :( Since I have no sex life, I'm not sure why boosting libido is worthwhile.
My doctor says I am healthier than some 30 year old folks and my mood is okay. Arthritis in my hands and a tendency to put my back out is all I can really complain about.
Note: When I was injecting 250 mg of test, my total test shot up to around 1,300. My red blood cell count was beginning to elevate, which concerned my doctor.
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https://drjohncrisler.com/index.html
"In Memoriam - Dr. John Crisler
Dr. John Crisler was my friend. Then he became a client. My firm built this website and handled social media communications, but he was always a friend first.
He was one of the most soft-spoken, gentle men I have ever known, and he loved to adopt little tiny dogs that nobody else wanted. He loved humanity, he loved healing, and he trusted everyone. As a young man, he watched helplessly as his fiancé was taken by cancer, then decided to become a doctor himself. He spent 15 years championing the cause of men broken by steroid abuse. He was a pioneer in the field of testosterone replacement therapy, and endured slings and arrows from the medical community until studies proved him correct in 2017.
Years ago, he suffered a setback that was to shape the remainder of his life. Challenges stemming from an embezzlement of his practice and theft of his identity dogged him, complicating each step forward. Despite this, John, ever the optimist, rebuilt from scratch, all the while spreading his medical knowledge freely to other doctors.
He survived a heart attack two years ago, bounced back, and naturally used the experience in his training of other doctors. The private stress stemming from the embezzlement remained however, and endless paperwork stole away his time with the patients he loved. Sometime during the night of January 15, 2019, his big, kind and generous heart stopped beating, and we lost him forever.
He leaves behind his parents, two sisters, his beloved life partner, Arline, and friends too numerous to count."
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Nope. I inject 100 mg of testosterone cypionate every Monday (Dr. Crisler suggested 250 mg), 1 mg of Anastrozole every Wednesday and inject 25 units of HCG on Saturday and Sunday. Daily low dose of HCG might also work, but why change? A three month supply of testosterone costs me $21. with insurance. Switching to daily HCG would be much more costly, since it is not covered.
Recently, I added 25 mg Clomid daily. Someone here suggested to me that it might help improve libido. So far, nothing spectacular has happen. :( Since I have no sex life, I'm not sure why boosting libido is worthwhile.
My doctor says I am healthier than some 30 year old folks and my mood is okay. Arthritis in my hands and a tendency to put my back out is all I can really complain about.
Note: When I was injecting 250 mg of test, my total test shot up to around 1,300. My red blood cell count was beginning to elevate, which concerned my doctor.
eat grapes and peanutbutter for libido
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Yeat grapes and peanutbutter for libido
I eat lots of both which must account for my Biblical staff.
(https://media.ldscdn.org/images/media-library/gospel-art/old-testament/moses-parting-red-sea-barrett-301889-gallery.jpg)
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Nope. I inject 100 mg of testosterone cypionate every Monday (Dr. Crisler suggested 250 mg), 1 mg of Anastrozole every Wednesday and inject 25 units of HCG on Saturday and Sunday. Daily low dose of HCG might also work, but why change? A three month supply of testosterone costs me $21. with insurance. Switching to daily HCG would be much more costly, since it is not covered.
Recently, I added 25 mg Clomid daily. Someone here suggested to me that it might help improve libido. So far, nothing spectacular has happen. :( Since I have no sex life, I'm not sure why boosting libido is worthwhile.
My doctor says I am healthier than some 30 year old folks and my mood is okay. Arthritis in my hands and a tendency to put my back out is all I can really complain about.
Note: When I was injecting 250 mg of test, my total test shot up to around 1,300. My red blood cell count was beginning to elevate, which concerned my doctor.
You might get better results splitting up that 100mg into a few shots spread throughout the week.
You inject 25 or 250 HCG? 25 wouldn't do much of anything...
There are underground suppliers who can sell you 10 vials of 5,000 HCG for $90-$110. Very cheap.
(P.S. Clomid won't do anything for sex drive unless you were off TRT or your estrogen was extremely elevated. Otherwise it simply cannot exert any effect on the HPTA while you are using exogenous androgens
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Says heart attack on his site
https://drjohncrisler.com/index.html
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Says heart attack on his site
https://drjohncrisler.com/index.html
It was suicide. Read the links in this thread.
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A whole bunch of the typical non-scientific feel good health advices on his website.
Bunch of crap to sucker the vulnerable.
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Nope. I inject 100 mg of testosterone cypionate every Monday (Dr. Crisler suggested 250 mg), 1 mg of Anastrozole every Wednesday and inject 25 units of HCG on Saturday and Sunday. Daily low dose of HCG might also work, but why change? A three month supply of testosterone costs me $21. with insurance. Switching to daily HCG would be much more costly, since it is not covered.
Recently, I added 25 mg Clomid daily. Someone here suggested to me that it might help improve libido. So far, nothing spectacular has happen. :( Since I have no sex life, I'm not sure why boosting libido is worthwhile.
My doctor says I am healthier than some 30 year old folks and my mood is okay. Arthritis in my hands and a tendency to put my back out is all I can really complain about.
Note: When I was injecting 250 mg of test, my total test shot up to around 1,300. My red blood cell count was beginning to elevate, which concerned my doctor.
Heres a tip for you Prudence, donate blood if you have high RBC. So many sheep in this World who need a Doctor to hold their hand!
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You might get better results splitting up that 100mg into a few shots spread throughout the week.
You inject 25 or 250 HCG? 25 wouldn't do much of anything...
There are underground suppliers who can sell you 10 vials of 5,000 HCG for $90-$110. Very cheap.
(P.S. Clomid won't do anything for sex drive unless you were off TRT or your estrogen was extremely elevated. Otherwise it simply cannot exert any effect on the HPTA while you are using exogenous androgens
Why would anyone listen to your methods over a doctor who specialized in this area? ::)
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I've pretty much followed Dr. John Crisler's advice regarding TRT. One exception would me that my test dosage is lower than he recommended. Of course, there's no telling when I'll die and what of, but I feel very healthy.
One thing is certain, you WILL NOT be writing Beethoven's Ninth Symphony anyway.
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Is primemuscle the next getbigger to die soon?
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Is primemuscle the next getbigger to die soon?
I highly doubt it.
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Yeat grapes and peanutbutter for libido
Okay then, I'll give it a try. Since I already consume those foods, what's your consumption recommendation?
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Okay then, I'll give it a try. Since I already consume those foods, what's your consumption recommendation?
Be careful following his advices. You can end up with a huge cock. Which obviously will lead to taking selfies of yourself whacking off in your computer chair.
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You might get better results splitting up that 100mg into a few shots spread throughout the week. No thanks. Sticking one 22 g syringe a week in my thigh will just have to do.
You inject 25 or 250 HCG? 25 wouldn't do much of anything... You're right. It is 25 units on an insulin syringe thus the answer is 250.
There are underground suppliers who can sell you 10 vials of 5,000 HCG for $90-$110. Very cheap. The online pharmacy I order from charges $15.58 for a 5,000 iu vial.
(P.S. Clomid won't do anything for sex drive unless you were off TRT or your estrogen was extremely elevated. Otherwise it simply cannot exert any effect on the HPTA while you are using exogenous androgens
I doubt my estrogen is elevated. Maybe, I'll ask the doctor to add that test to my labs next-time. My sex drive hasn't changed.
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Is primemuscle the next getbigger to die soon?
At nearly 75 years old my death is not much of a long shot. Anyway, there's a few Getbiggers who have wished me dead. So far they're on the losing side. ;D
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I doubt my estrogen is elevated. Maybe, I'll ask the doctor to add that test to my labs next-time. My sex drive hasn't changed.
Have you ever been to excel male dot com? Nelson Vergel has a pretty good trt protocol. Twice a week he injects 40mg's of test cyp along with 250iu's of hcg. All in one slin pin. He does this Monday and Thursdays with no AI's.
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Be careful following his advices. You can end up with a huge cock. Which obviously will lead to taking selfies of yourself whacking off in your computer chair.
You bet ya! I'm off to the store for some grapes and more peanut butter, which I actually order online because all it has in it is ground peanuts.
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Have you ever been to excel male dot com? Nelson Vergel has a pretty good trt protocol. Twice a week he injects 40mg's of test cyp along with 250iu's of hcg. All in one slin pin. He does this Monday and Thursdays with no AI's.
Injecting test thru a slin pin supposedly only nets you an 80% absorption rate
That’s if it’s injected into the fat instead of the muscle via im
Using a slin pin is a good way to stop building up scar tissue though
Of course if ones body fat levels are low then hitting the muscle thru a slin wouldn’t be difficult
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Injecting test thru a slin pin supposedly only nets you an 80% absorption rate
That’s if it’s injected into the fat instead of the muscle via im
Using a slin pin is a good way to stop building up scar tissue though
Of course if ones body fat levels are low then hitting the muscle thru a slin wouldn’t be difficult
I hit my tri's once per week with 100mg's of test cyp. Next day I'm at 1215ng's. Day 7 and I'm 705ng's. I'd say it's working for me.
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Clomid usually works for sex drive by increasing HPTA but that is impossible while using exogenous androgen
More frequent dosages of HCG would be better IMO
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Injecting test thru a slin pin supposedly only nets you an 80% absorption rate
That’s if it’s injected into the fat instead of the muscle via im
Using a slin pin is a good way to stop building up scar tissue though
Of course if ones body fat levels are low then hitting the muscle thru a slin wouldn’t be difficult
Do you have a source for this claim?
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Do you have a source for this claim?
Apparently Crisler himself
https://www.t-nation.com/pharma/get-20-better-results-from-testosterone
Crisler has vids on the subject and so do a lot of others
Google trt sub q injection
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Considering writing a Symphony similar to Beethovens ninth.
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Apparently Crisler himself
https://www.t-nation.com/pharma/get-20-better-results-from-testosterone
Crisler has vids on the subject and so do a lot of others
Google trt sub q injection
I daresay you have misread the article. They claim that testosterone injections yield more active drug when administered subcutaneously compared to intramuscular injection:
However, testosterone injections give you the most bang for your buck. And now, a new method may give you 20% extra bang for the very same buck. It's called subcutaneous or "subQ" injection.
However, their math is off:
Dr. Crisler believes this method gives you more bang for your testosterone buck. He says that 80 mg of subQ testosterone has the effect of a 100 mg of testosterone administered intramuscularly.
If these numbers are accurate, subq test would yield 25% more drug than im test, not 20% as they originally claimed.
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I daresay you have misread the article. They claim that testosterone injections yield more active drug when administered subcutaneously compared to intramuscular injection:
However, their math is off:
If these numbers are accurate, subq test would yield 25% more drug than im test, not 20% as they originally claimed.
I didn’t read it wrong I wrote it wrong
And I agree with you on the math
I have a hard time believing sub q would yield a higher absorption rate
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I didn’t read it wrong I wrote it wrong
And I agree with you on the math
I have a hard time believing sub q would yield a higher absorption rate
Why ?
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Why ?
It’s just my thinking
I’m old school
For decades it was taught that you had to get it in the muscle
I’m learning
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I didn’t read it wrong I wrote it wrong
And I agree with you on the math
I have a hard time believing sub q would yield a higher absorption rate
Fair enough. FWIW I don't think it would make much of a difference, subq injections just might take longer to release the compound into the bloodstream since the dermis isnt as highly vascularized as a muscle.
I developed a good amount of scar tissue in my hips from pinning 3x weekly for only two years, and they get tight and hurt my back if I'm not good about stretching them. I can only imagine how much worse it would get if I was to continue pinning IM for decades, as some folks on TRT will do.
Pinning subcutaneously is the only way to do TRT as far as I'm concerned.
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Fair enough. FWIW I don't think it would make much of a difference, subq injections just might take longer to release the compound into the bloodstream since the dermis isnt as highly vascularized as a muscle.
I developed a good amount of scar tissue in my hips from pinning 3x weekly for only two years, and they get tight and hurt my back if I'm not good about stretching them. I can only imagine how much worse it would get if I was to continue pinning IM for decades, as some folks on TRT will do.
Pinning subcutaneously is the only way to do TRT as far as I'm concerned.
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I didn’t read it wrong I wrote it wrong
And I agree with you on the math
I have a hard time believing sub q would yield a higher absorption rate
Same. I am going to guess they are similar in reality. It seems from bloodwork that I've seen when I go on trt forums, that subq generally shows lower levels, but that says otherwise.
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It’s just my thinking
I’m old school
For decades it was taught that you had to get it in the muscle
I’m learning
That’s fair enough - As you say that’s what we were taught back then.
Yeah I’m old also.
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Best place to pin subcutaneously is the skin around the top of your thighs, no way i could do TRT still doing IM, i don't even like subcutaneous around abs with oil, i just use my legs or glute skin.
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Best place to pin subcutaneously is the skin around the top of your thighs, no way i could do TRT still doing IM, i don't even like subcutaneous around abs with oil, i just use my legs or glute skin.
why not?
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hit a few veins there which leave bruises and I find it can sometimes thicken the skin, would rather have thick skin on top of my thighs than around my abs have a hard enough time seeing them anyway. :)
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Shooting test subq in the abs is a bad idea unless you have higher body fat. The love handle or upper glute area is a better choice
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Shooting test subq in the abs is a bad idea unless you have higher body fat. The love handle or upper glute area is a better choice
Those are my spots. I back-fill a 31 gauge insulin needle and hit those areas. Crisler always said that the abdominal fat is different than the glutes or love handles in terms of consistency. He witnessed this when he used to be involved with lipo. The abdominal area seems more prone to nodules after injection, and I’ve personally witnessed this.