John Crisler RIP

[Bevo]

You might get better results splitting up that 100mg into a few shots spread throughout the week.

You inject 25 or 250 HCG? 25 wouldn't do much of anything...

There are underground suppliers who can sell you 10 vials of 5,000 HCG for $90-$110. Very cheap.


(P.S. Clomid won't do anything for sex drive unless you were off TRT or your estrogen was extremely elevated. Otherwise it simply cannot exert any effect on the HPTA while you are using exogenous androgens

Why would anyone listen to your methods over a doctor who specialized in this area? 

[The True Adonis]

I've pretty much followed Dr. John Crisler's advice regarding TRT. One exception would me that my test dosage is lower than he recommended. Of course, there's no telling when I'll die and what of, but I feel very healthy.

One thing is certain, you WILL NOT be writing Beethoven's Ninth Symphony anyway.

[Bevo]

Is primemuscle the next getbigger to die soon?

[AbrahamG]

Is primemuscle the next getbigger to die soon?

I highly doubt it. 

[Primemuscle]

Yeat grapes and peanutbutter for libido

Okay then, I'll give it a try. Since I already consume those foods, what's your consumption recommendation?

[AbrahamG]

Okay then, I'll give it a try. Since I already consume those foods, what's your consumption recommendation?

Be careful following his advices.  You can end up with a huge cock.  Which obviously will lead to taking selfies of yourself whacking off in your computer chair.

[Primemuscle]

You might get better results splitting up that 100mg into a few shots spread throughout the week. No thanks. Sticking one 22 g syringe a week in my thigh  will just have to do.

You inject 25 or 250 HCG? 25 wouldn't do much of anything... You're right. It is 25 units on an insulin syringe thus the answer is 250.
There are underground suppliers who can sell you 10 vials of 5,000 HCG for $90-$110. Very cheap. The online pharmacy I order from charges $15.58 for a 5,000 iu vial.  


(P.S. Clomid won't do anything for sex drive unless you were off TRT or your estrogen was extremely elevated. Otherwise it simply cannot exert any effect on the HPTA  while you are using exogenous androgens


I doubt my estrogen is elevated. Maybe, I'll ask the doctor to add that test to my labs next-time. My sex drive hasn't changed.

[Primemuscle]

Is primemuscle the next getbigger to die soon?

At nearly 75 years old my death is not much of a long shot. Anyway, there's a few Getbiggers who have wished me dead. So far they're on the losing side. 

[AbrahamG]

I doubt my estrogen is elevated. Maybe, I'll ask the doctor to add that test to my labs next-time. My sex drive hasn't changed.

Have you ever been to excel male dot com?  Nelson Vergel has a pretty good trt protocol.  Twice a week he injects 40mg's of test cyp along with 250iu's of hcg.  All in one slin pin.  He does this Monday and Thursdays with no AI's.

[Primemuscle]

Be careful following his advices.  You can end up with a huge cock.  Which obviously will lead to taking selfies of yourself whacking off in your computer chair.

You bet ya! I'm off to the store for some grapes and more peanut butter, which I actually order online because all it has in it is ground peanuts.

[BlackMetallic]

Have you ever been to excel male dot com?  Nelson Vergel has a pretty good trt protocol.  Twice a week he injects 40mg's of test cyp along with 250iu's of hcg.  All in one slin pin.  He does this Monday and Thursdays with no AI's.

Injecting test thru a slin pin supposedly only nets you an 80% absorption rate

 That’s if it’s injected into the fat instead of the muscle via im

Using a slin pin is a good way to stop building up scar tissue though

Of course if ones body fat levels are low then hitting the muscle thru a slin wouldn’t be difficult

[AbrahamG]

Injecting test thru a slin pin supposedly only nets you an 80% absorption rate

 That’s if it’s injected into the fat instead of the muscle via im

Using a slin pin is a good way to stop building up scar tissue though

Of course if ones body fat levels are low then hitting the muscle thru a slin wouldn’t be difficult

I hit my tri's once per week with 100mg's of test cyp.  Next day I'm at 1215ng's.  Day 7 and I'm 705ng's.  I'd say it's working for me.

[Tbomzisback!]

Clomid usually works for sex drive by increasing HPTA but that is impossible while using exogenous androgen

More frequent dosages of HCG would be better IMO

[ProudVirgin69]

Injecting test thru a slin pin supposedly only nets you an 80% absorption rate

 That’s if it’s injected into the fat instead of the muscle via im

Using a slin pin is a good way to stop building up scar tissue though

Of course if ones body fat levels are low then hitting the muscle thru a slin wouldn’t be difficult

Do you have a source for this claim? 

[BlackMetallic]

Do you have a source for this claim? 

Apparently Crisler himself

https://www.t-nation.com/pharma/get-20-better-results-from-testosterone

Crisler has vids on the subject and so do a lot of others

Google trt sub q injection

[Kwon]

Considering writing a Symphony similar to Beethovens ninth.

[ProudVirgin69]

Apparently Crisler himself

https://www.t-nation.com/pharma/get-20-better-results-from-testosterone

Crisler has vids on the subject and so do a lot of others

Google trt sub q injection

I daresay you have misread the article.  They claim that testosterone injections yield more active drug when administered subcutaneously compared to intramuscular injection:

However, testosterone injections give you the most bang for your buck. And now, a new method may give you 20% extra bang for the very same buck. It's called subcutaneous or "subQ" injection.

However, their math is off:

Dr. Crisler believes this method gives you more bang for your testosterone buck. He says that 80 mg of subQ testosterone has the effect of a 100 mg of testosterone administered intramuscularly.

If these numbers are accurate, subq test would yield 25% more drug than im test, not 20% as they originally claimed.

[BlackMetallic]

I daresay you have misread the article.  They claim that testosterone injections yield more active drug when administered subcutaneously compared to intramuscular injection:

However, their math is off:

If these numbers are accurate, subq test would yield 25% more drug than im test, not 20% as they originally claimed.

I didn’t read it wrong I wrote it wrong

And I agree with you on the math



I have a hard time believing sub q would yield a higher absorption rate

[illuminati]

I didn’t read it wrong I wrote it wrong

And I agree with you on the math



I have a hard time believing sub q would yield a higher absorption rate

Why ?

[BlackMetallic]

Why ?

It’s just my thinking

I’m old school

For decades it was taught that you had to get it in the muscle

I’m learning

[ProudVirgin69]

I didn’t read it wrong I wrote it wrong

And I agree with you on the math



I have a hard time believing sub q would yield a higher absorption rate

Fair enough.  FWIW I don't think it would make much of a difference, subq injections just might take longer to release the compound into the bloodstream since the dermis isnt as highly vascularized as a muscle.

I developed a good amount of scar tissue in my hips from pinning 3x weekly for only two years, and they get tight and hurt my back if I'm not good about stretching them.  I can only imagine how much worse it would get if I was to continue pinning IM for decades, as some folks on TRT will do.

Pinning subcutaneously is the only way to do TRT as far as I'm concerned.

[BlackMetallic]

Fair enough.  FWIW I don't think it would make much of a difference, subq injections just might take longer to release the compound into the bloodstream since the dermis isnt as highly vascularized as a muscle.

I developed a good amount of scar tissue in my hips from pinning 3x weekly for only two years, and they get tight and hurt my back if I'm not good about stretching them.  I can only imagine how much worse it would get if I was to continue pinning IM for decades, as some folks on TRT will do.

Pinning subcutaneously is the only way to do TRT as far as I'm concerned.

👍

[mazrim]

I didn’t read it wrong I wrote it wrong

And I agree with you on the math



I have a hard time believing sub q would yield a higher absorption rate

Same. I am going to guess they are similar in reality. It seems from bloodwork that I've seen when I go on trt forums, that subq generally shows lower levels, but that says otherwise.

[illuminati]

It’s just my thinking

I’m old school

For decades it was taught that you had to get it in the muscle

I’m learning

That’s fair enough - As you say that’s what we were taught back then.

Yeah I’m old also.

[honest]

Best place to pin subcutaneously is the skin around the top of your thighs, no way i could do TRT still doing IM, i don't even like subcutaneous around abs with oil, i just use my legs or glute skin.