John Crisler RIP

[mazrim]

TRT pioneer John Crisler died yesterday. No cause released yet.

[obsidian]

TRT pioneer John Crisler died yesterday. No cause released yet.

Oh man that sucks. He had a heart attach recently. Looked healthy but who knows what was going on with him.

[Dieter]

OMG maybe his cholesterol was too high?   It's strange that a guy in such good shape would have a heart attack and he still has not come up with an explanation.

[IroNat]

Beating SF1900 to the punch:

Genetic heart defect.

[mazrim]

Oh man that sucks. He had a heart attach recently. Looked healthy but who knows what was going on with him.

Yeah, I think it was about a year ago or so.

Sad to see someone so on top of his health numbers was unable to stop or get on top of whatever the issue was.

[SF1900]

Beating SF1900 to the punch:

Genetic heart defect.

Nothing to do with too much T.

His 8th cousin on his grandmothers side had a heart defect. Clearly genetic.

[bigkid]

Nothing to do with too much T.

His 8th cousin on his grandmothers side had a heart defect. Clearly genetic.

[Chadwick The Beta]

TRT pioneer John Crisler died yesterday. No cause released yet.

The LeBaron waa an underrated automobile.

[Disgusted]

Suicide but I’m sure steroids will still be blamed.

[mphgrove]

If suicide, interesting statistic is that 40% of physicians suffer from symptoms of depression in a given year (surgeons less so). Corporations and computers have taken the satisfaction out of it. The old school family doctor controlled his own destiny and had a relationship with patients.

[Humble Narcissist]

If suicide, interesting statistic is that 40% of physicians suffer from symptoms of depression in a given year (surgeons less so). Corporations and computers have taken the satisfaction out of it. The old school family doctor controlled his own destiny and had a relationship with patients.

A lot of doctors off themselves when they get a terminal disease as well.  They know how it's going to end so they just say "fuck it, I'm outta here."

[oldtimer1]

I don't know too much about him. Is he one of those anti aging doctors that prescribe testosterone and growth hormone?  There are studies that show increased incidences of heart attack and stroke with testosterone replacement. It is theorized it thickens the blood changing the viscosity.

At least he died a muscular man at 60. All genetic predisposition right?

His consent form:I hereby agree and authorize John Crisler, DO PLLC (abbreviated from now on as
"ATM") to treat me for high serum estrogen levels and/or low endogenous testosterone
production, which is expected as a consequence of anabolic/androgenic steroid use.
Alternatively, I may be applying for Hormone Replacement Therapy. I understand that I
am contracting with ATM for treatment of these two specific conditions only, and that
any other medical problems I may experience now, or in the future, must be diagnosed
and treated by my own physician.

I agree it is my personal decision to use anabolic/androgenic steroids (for AAS Consults) and that ATM does not condone their usage. ATM has not given me any advice on how to use steroids, except to help protect my health or warn me of their possible side effects. I will not ask ATM for advice on how to use anabolic steroids, or for help in designing a steroid cycle.

I understand that by signing this agreement I am giving up the right to sue ATM, its doctors, anyone connected in any way with ATM, or the pharmacy(s) which fulfill
ATM's prescriptions FOR ANY REASON WHATSOEVER, FOREVER.

[mazrim]

Suicide but I’m sure steroids will still be blamed.

Guess it may have been by hanging is the rumor. Just had an argument/disagreement with the other individuals on the TRT podcast he was on and got kicked off for a bit.

Apparently had his demons from the description given of him plus even in their tribute to him on that podcast there were some definite issues going on. Brilliant guy, however.

Apparently very egotistical/proud. Maybe got to him (amongst other things) that he wasn't necessarily the only TRT top dog anymore and was part of a few now.

[Primemuscle]

He was a pioneer in Men's health.

https://drjohncrisler.com/index.html

[Coffeed]

He definitely wasn't one of the pill mill docs. From everything I saw, without being a patient, he understood the benefits of TRT but still acted as a responsible doctor. You had to see him in person to be treated, stuff like that.

I think years ago he was a bodybuilder, if even a weekend warrior type, so that's why people in the Getbig sphere knew of him. He understood that not everyone seeking TRT was just trying to be an IFBB pro. (That only requires a few dbol and impeccable meal timing as it were.)

To hear of his passing is quite suprising. As far as I know, he didn't have many of the common doctor problems brought up earlier, which revolve mainly around working for a hospital and dealing with insurance. I don't think he took insurance, and he definitely operated a private practice.

[Primemuscle]

He definitely wasn't one of the pill mill docs. From everything I saw, without being a patient, he understood the benefits of TRT but still acted as a responsible doctor. You had to see him in person to be treated, stuff like that.

I think years ago he was a bodybuilder, if even a weekend warrior type, so that's why people in the Getbig sphere knew of him. He understood that not everyone seeking TRT was just trying to be an IFBB pro. (That only requires a few dbol and impeccable meal timing as it were.)

To hear of his passing is quite suprising. As far as I know, he didn't have many of the common doctor problems brought up earlier, which revolve mainly around working for a hospital and dealing with insurance. I don't think he took insurance, and he definitely operated a private practice.

I agree with your assessment of Dr. Crisler. One thing that I believe that you are mistaken about is having to see him in person. This information is from his website, All Things Male.

In order for Dr. Crisler to provide medical treatment, order lab work, and prescribe needed medications, you must be a part of our practice.

1.  If you are local you may simply schedule an appointment.
2.  If you are out of state, you may schedule a day trip.
3.  If you don't want to make the trip, you may have your primary care provider consult with Dr. Crisler.  Additional information below.

[Coffeed]

I agree with your assessment of Dr. Crisler. One thing that I believe that you are mistaken about is having to see him in person. This information is from his website, All Things Male.

In order for Dr. Crisler to provide medical treatment, order lab work, and prescribe needed medications, you must be a part of our practice.

1.  If you are local you may simply schedule an appointment.
2.  If you are out of state, you may schedule a day trip.
3.  If you don't want to make the trip, you may have your primary care provider consult with Dr. Crisler.  Additional information below.

Basically he could try to talk to your doctor because many primary care docs out there know nothing about TRT other than "rub androgel on yourself in the morning." But that #3 wouldn't make you his patient.

To be his patient I think you had to see him at least once a year.

[mphgrove]

Office staff condolences mention several factors leading up (this link already in a post above)

https://drjohncrisler.com/index.html

[Primemuscle]

Basically he could try to talk to your doctor because many primary care docs out there know nothing about TRT other than "rub androgel on yourself in the morning." But that #3 wouldn't make you his patient.

To be his patient I think you had to see him at least once a year.

Annual follow up consults can be done by phone. According to the information on the website.

The paragraph below copied from the All Things Male website suggests it does, but conditionally.

"In order to treat you virtually without an in house initial consultation, Dr. Crisler will need to work through your primary care physician or process you as an Advice Only Consult.  To have your local physician work with us, just have your doctor’s office call and schedule a time for your primary to confer with Dr. Crisler about your situation.  If he/she is willing, you may be able to sit in on this conference. Dr. Crisler has a publication entitled “ TRT: A Recipe for Success” available on the website.  This may be helpful information for you to take to your doctor when making this decision.  All protocols, labs, medications etc. will be processed via your primary care physician per Dr. Crisler’s recommendations."

Frankly, it is better and much less expensive to go to a urologist or an endocrinologist in your area. My urologist prescribes both the testosterone cyp I inject and any lab work needed. All of this is covered under my medical insurance. My copays are very reasonable. The last time I filled my test prescription I paid around $30. for a 90 day supply. Labs are $10. and the doctor co-pay is $40.

[Coffeed]

So you're saying we shouldn't really bother to see Dr. Crisler?

[Dieter]

Not every man can handle so must testosterone as they get older. My childhood friend Leif Tiahrt died at 48 of a heart attack while working out in the gym he owned in Santa Barbara. His parents, both in their 80's, were there to bury him. Very sad.

[mazrim]

Not every man can handle so must testosterone as they get older. My childhood friend Leif Tiahrt died at 48 of a heart attack while working out in the gym he owned in Santa Barbara. His parents, both in their 80's, were there to bury him. Very sad.

People on here keep posting like it was a heart attack. It was suicide. Confirmed.

[WalterWhite]

People on here keep posting like it was a heart attack. It was suicide. Confirmed.

Where is it confirmed?

[Humble Narcissist]

Not every man can handle so must testosterone as they get older. My childhood friend Leif Tiahrt died at 48 of a heart attack while working out in the gym he owned in Santa Barbara. His parents, both in their 80's, were there to bury him. Very sad.

Do you still live in Santa Barbara?

[Dieter]

No sir, moved back to Illinois 5 years ago.