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This guys is great. Nick's Strength and Power is the Youtube channel. Is he on Getbig?
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220... down to 143... ??? ::) and he didn't have a six pack still when down to 180...? not having a bit of a six pack and some decent definition and vascularity "pre-diet..or pre-competition" or whatever you wanna call it... well... don't expect great results..... that's the truth about natural bodybuilding..... you gotta stay looking pretty good all the time..... just the way it is ...
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Nick is Wiggs Approved. I've been with Nick since the beginning, it's been great seeing his channel grow. I'm happy for all his success. He's doing bodybuilding right. 8)
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"I'm ashamed of how fuckin' small I was. I mean, 143....that's what girls weigh"
Hahahahaha!
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Interestng video and well presented, but I'm not entirely convinced that roids are required to look good enough to win a natural contest and look decent enough to do so.
In NICK's case ... it could possibly be a 'heredity problem/situation" as we hve all seen 143 pound kids in a ripped up condition without prepping for a contest..
I'm hopeing that Tres Taco will be seeing this and offer some comment.
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He seems to admit that he made some mistakes in his prep. He also seems like a regular Joe and not a veteran competitor. Plus, he's only 5'9.
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Interestng video and well presented, but I'm not entirely convinced that roids are required to look good enough to win a natural contest and look decent enough to do so.
In NICK's case ... it could possibly be a 'heredity problem/situation" as we hve all seen 143 pound kids in a ripped up condition without prepping for a contest..
I'm hopeing that Tres Taco will be seeing this and offer some comment.
It depends on what level of natty contest you're entering obviously. A few years ago there was a dude who used to train at my gym who was in his early 40's. Dude was jacked as fuck, and was a VERY obvious juicer to anyone. He actually bought most of his gear from a buddy of mine, and all of us knew it!
The funny thing is that the fucker had a group of people (around 10, mostly men, a few women) who he trained, and who literally worshiped him!!!! They thought he was the second coming of Arnold and would constantly talk about all he does is eat clean and train hard. LOL!
Well, fast forward a few months and he enters a natural bodybuilding contest. All the guys at the gym who knew him were like "WTF! how would the promoter even allow him to enter"???? Well, shockingly, he ends up winning the overall, as he dwarfed the majority of the competitors! He passed the piss test and supposedly they even had a lie detector test which he also passed (dudes a good liar I guess).
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LtWEIGHT .... Anything's possible!
And the individual in question could have been 100% roid free and simply buying those 'supps' for his clients' use ... although it seems to be highly doubtful.
But if a drug test was administered and if a lie detector test was given by reliable agencies ... and if the subject passed .... it would be difficult to convince me otherwise.
Especially in a court of law!
But .... Years ago you could buy chemical blockers which most likely are still available today, but it is my unprofessional understanding that those 'blockers' don't apply when hair folical testing is administered.
Based on your input, I'd offer an unprofessional guess that there is only a 10% chance that he used 'supps' to win that contest.
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How refreshing is it to listen to this young man?
What he says is absolutely true with respect to many bodybuilders. Guys walk around bloated with vascular arms, a defined chest and wide back and think they're a few weeks to months away from contest. Then, when they try to attain those lean levels, they find themselves in pure hell when coming to the realization that your real, lean muscle mass lies way deeper than you can imagine.
Granted, all of this changes if you use steroids and are enhanced, but if trying to do this natural, shit will suck.
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I'm hopeing that Tres Taco will be seeing this and offer some comment.
Why?
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Using Just 1mm of test a week fat exceeds any gains you can get from any otc supplements, also negates the need to be 100% strict with diet and only costs around £10 a month a fraction of what most spend on protein powders alone.
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well yeah…
I Think some are better at retaining muscle being natural at low bodyfat. Has to do with natural hormone levels, some don't drop test levels being lower bodyfat while others do.
there is some 200+ Contest conditioning naturals
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Dude, there is no chance in HELL he was even close to natty, or had been in the majority of his adult life. Also, his clients were pretty much all either beginners, or the people who lift for years and still look like beginners. If any of them were on gear, they should get their money back lol!
I don't know if you are new to working out, or just a younger dude, but passing a piss test means nothing! This guy most likely just knew how long before the contest he would have to stop taking gear, to pass the test. And this isn't rule out the possibility that he had a container of someone elses piss and he just dumped that into the jar they gave him.
I'm telling you, I don't care if he passed 100 drug tests a year, this guy was as geared as anyone I've ever seen in person, and STILL competed in a natty contest, and obviously destroyed everyone.
You do realize that the natural legend Simeon Panda has competed in many natural tested competition, and NEVER failed a test. Please god don't tell me you think he's natty. lol
LtWEIGHT .... Anything's possible!
And the individual in question could have been 100 roid free and simply buying those 'supps' for his clients' use ... although it seems to be highly doubtful.
But if a drug test was administered and if a lie detector test was given by reliable agencies ... and if the subject passed .... it would be difficult to convince me otherwise.
Especially in a court of law!
But .... Years ago you could buy chemical blockers which most likely are still available today, but it is my unprofessional understanding that those 'blockers' don't apply when hair folical testing is administered.
Based on your input, I'd offer an unprofessional guess that there is only a 10% chance that he used 'supps' to win that contest.
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Training natural is a completely different ball game. Only with steroids can you get ripped while maintaining muscle or increasing muscle. Trying to get ripped naturally you will lose muscle. The only proof positive way to know your fat level and lean mass is to be weighed under water. Fat calipers are not accurate. Those electronic scales can give you a different fat percentage every day you step on it and are notorious for being off for a muscular guy.
Take a 5'9" guy that weighs a muscular 185lbs. His true fat percentage might be 15%. That's almost 28 pounds of fat. Both visceral and subcutaneous. If he gets down to 7% body fat for a show. He has to lose 14.8 pounds of fat. That would bring him down to 170lbs and that's not taking into account the muscle loss. He might also lose 7 pounds of muscle. Now he weighs 163lbs.
Now that same guy starts his contest prep at a muscular 185lbs. He takes steroids, GH, anti estrogens, LH hormone and maybe a little insulin. He goes up to 205lbs and cuts to 4% body fat.
If my math is off I'm three sheets to the wind drunk typing this. I will use a calculator next time.
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How fitting that those with not very good genetics for either size or strength comment.
What is possible or not naturally in this case Nick. ::)
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He seems to admit that he made some mistakes in his prep. He also seems like a regular Joe and not a veteran competitor. Plus, he's only 5'9.
only 5 ' 9" that's a giant by bodybuilding standards. pic of bodybuilders standing next to a man of average height.
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How fitting that those with not very good genetics for either size or strength comment.
What is possible or not naturally in this case Nick. ::)
How are you measuring their genetics? By their username? ;D
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MAZRIM/LtWT.... "Why TACO?" .......
Because TACO is one of the very few members of this board who actually trains as a bdybuilder, preps for a bodybuilding contest, and competes within the same, and is most likely to agree with or not agree with NICK with an accurate degree of knowledge.
Those who have NEVER DONE, should never critique those who HAVE!.
But once again ... Anything's possible ... so it's possible that you may be correct about that un-natural "NATURAL CONTEST' winner, but it would be interesting to hear TACO's opinion of this discussion ... Mainly because he's totally involved and 'done it' ... so his experience and knowledge would be valid.
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MAZRIM/LtWT.... "Why TACO?" .......
Because TACO is one of the very few members of this board who actually trains as a bdybuilder, preps for a bodybuilding contest, and competes within the same, and is most likely to agree with or not agree with NICK with an accurate degree of knowledge.
Those who have NEVER DONE, should never critique those who HAVE!.
But once again ... Anything's possible ... so it's possible that you may be correct about that un-natural "NATURAL CONTEST' winner, but it would be interesting to hear TACO's opinion of this discussion ... Mainly because he's totally involved and 'done it' ... so his experience and knowledge would be valid.
I don't think Taco is natural so not sure what you are getting at.
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The true natural genetic freaks are rare like Steve Reeves who at 6'1" weighed a defined 210 in 1947. That's incredible.
Steroids allow men who are not genetic freaks to compete. Normal folk can't retain the mass like a Reeves who was one in a million.
The expectations for bodyfat levels for natties are unrealistic. Natties are expected to reach the same super-low bodyfat levels as drug users.
(http://www.ifbbpro.com/wp-content/uploads/image/halloffame/SteveReeves1.jpg)
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Lol theres a millions of blacks built like steve reeves with just somepushups weed n beer
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Lol theres a millions of blacks built like steve reeves with just somepushups weed n beer
I said he was "one in a million".
;D
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The true natural genetic freaks are rare like Steve Reeves who at 6'1" weighed a defined 210 in 1947. That's incredible.
Steroids allow men who are not genetic freaks to compete. Normal folk can't retain the mass like a Reeves who was one in a million.
The expectations for bodyfat levels for natties are unrealistic. Natties are expected to reach the same super-low bodyfat levels as drug users.
(http://www.ifbbpro.com/wp-content/uploads/image/halloffame/SteveReeves1.jpg)
Dude, you are delusional...Reeves was a steroid user. Grimik was a steroid user. Marvin Eder was a steroid user. Steroid users are bigtime liars. Even guys on HRT lie their asses off about it.
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off the roids you have to find your personal cut-off point between looking like you lift and low bodyfat
some people have better muscle retention genetics so they can maintain mass and be ripped. whereas others might have to stick to 15%+ bf to look like they lift.
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The true natural genetic freaks are rare like Steve Reeves who at 6'1" weighed a defined 210 in 1947. That's incredible.
Steroids allow men who are not genetic freaks to compete. Normal folk can't retain the mass like a Reeves who was one in a million.
The expectations for bodyfat levels for natties are unrealistic. Natties are expected to reach the same super-low bodyfat levels as drug users.
(http://www.ifbbpro.com/wp-content/uploads/image/halloffame/SteveReeves1.jpg)
Look at pictures when Reeves was 15. He was built. During World War II they nicked named him the Shape. He was at a jungle base with a 110 pound barbell set he bought doing high reps. He was built most of his life until his health started to fail him. Just because testosterone was made for use in the 40's doesn't mean he used it. He wrote and said how much he was against steroid use. Grimek is another natural. In the 1936 he was built and competing in the Olympics as a heavy weight when he was true light heavy.
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They were using steroids before the 40's....As I said before, steroid users are famously dishonest about their usage..
Yes, Reeves was naturally muscular but a huge difference from what he became.
The most muscular drug free guys I've ever seen are gymnasts, mostly short White guys. Some looked like competition bodybuilders. (upper body).
Some people want so badly to believe something that they ignore reality...
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OLD, who was 'they"?
If 'they' means US war-time medical facilities treating US WWII miliary burn patients, I would tend to totally agree with ya, but that occured after 1940.
Don't believe all you hear about the wide scale use of roids by so-called bodybuilders during the 40's.
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This guys is great. Nick's Strength and Power is the Youtube channel. Is he on Getbig?
Wonder what his height and weight were before he got into bodybuilding? It would be interest to see what he currently looks like. In the video, his arms look soft.
As a near adult, standing 5'11", I once weighed 144 lbs. I was a rail. Before I hit 30, I got my weight up to 225 (for a minute). On dietary trick was drinking a quart of whole unpasteurized milk direct from a farm each day. It wasn't all natural. But, I also never took a massive amount to steroids nor did I cycle them for very long or with any frequency. I took D-bol and testosterone with a doctor's prescription, once when I was in my late teens and again in my late 20's.
Not that this is any kind of comparison, because I was training for size and not competitive bodybuilding. The bulk of my life, I have maintained a weight between 175 and 195 lbs.
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Seriously how did he train all those years? At 18 I had been training 2 years and got way too fat at 231, then dieted down to 185. I had abs out. 5'8'. Then coming off the diet I stayed strict and at 200 I looked better and got a lot of strength on the rebound. I could always have been leaner but i was 18 and didn't have the quality years brings either.
Roids do change the body a lot though.
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I hate chiming in on serious threads, but I feel compelled to add something to this-
To begin with, this fella speaks the truth.
I have been lifting most of my entire life(I'm 48). Did a handful of cycles during that time.
I carried around decent size and was decently strong for someone with average genetics. The heaviest I got during my "lets see how strong I can get phase " was in the low 240's. (I'm 6'0" on a good day)
My guess is that I was over 30% body fat at that time.
A couple years ago, I decided to do what I put off since my early 30's ; I wanted to see abs again.
I had a full body analysis done (InBody) when I started.
Starting weight was 221lbs, bodyfat was 28.1%. ( I thought I was in good shape)
Almost 6 months to the day later, I tested again at 168.9 lbs, bodyfat was 6.4%.
I lost 52 fucking lbs-but it was all fat and water.
However, my lean body mass increased by a pound.
What dawned on me, (and something you never really hear about) is how one could lose over 50 fucking pounds, but maintain all of ones strength, and actually increase skeletal muscle( though in my case only slightly).
Like this fella, I always thought I had 20lbs to lose to be "in shape"...
After this "transformation", not only did I realize just how fucking fat I was, but how much bodyfat the average in shape gym rat carries around.
However, unlike this fella, I never felt "light" or "small"...In fact, having a 30" waste again has gotten me more attention from females than I ever have in my entire life.
My takeaway from this whole experience ( I train to get laid, not for my health) is that most every female prefers me/males that are lean.
Because Im pulling more ass than I have in my entire life, I feel a million times better than when I was "big"...
In conclusion, if I had to do it all over again, I'd lift my ass off, but always stay lean-nobody ( especially females) cares that you are 200 + lbs and you can bench 315...
My guess is that females must feel some subconscious correlation between guys with small waists that are in shape and the length of time you can bang the snot out of them-
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I train to get laid, not for my health
Finally, an honest man.
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Natural bodybuilding after a few years should just be called body maintenance. You're not building any new muscle and are just trying to maintain the muscle you've already got.
Always enjoyed Nick's content. He always comes across as being respectful and honest.
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I hate chiming in on serious threads, but I feel compelled to add something to this-
To begin with, this fella speaks the truth.
I have been lifting most of my entire life(I'm 48). Did a handful of cycles during that time.
I carried around decent size and was decently strong for someone with average genetics. The heaviest I got during my "lets see how strong I can get phase " was in the low 240's. (I'm 6'0" on a good day)
My guess is that I was over 30% body fat at that time.
I couple years ago, I decided to do what I put off since my early 30's ; I wanted to see abs again.
I had a full body analysis done (InBody) when I started.
Starting weight was 221lbs, bodyfat was 28.1%. ( I thought I was in good shape)
Almost 6 months to the day later, I tested again at 168.9 lbs, bodyfat was 6.4%.
I lost 52 fucking lbs-but it was all fat and water.
However, my lean body mass increased by a pound.
What dawned on me, (and something you never really hear about) is how one could lose over 50 fucking pounds, but maintain all of ones strength, and actually increase skeletal muscle( though in my case only slightly).
Like this fella, I always thought I had 20lbs to lose to be "in shape"...
After this "transformation", not only did I realize just how fucking fat I was, but how much bodyfat the average in shape gym rat carries around.
However, unlike this fella, I never felt "light" or "small"...In fact, having a 30" waste again has gotten me more attention from females than I have in my entire life.
My takeaway from this whole experience ( I train to get laid, not for my health) is that most every female prefers me/males that are lean.
Because Im pulling more ass than I have in my entire life, I feel a million times better than when I was "big"...
In conclusion, if I had to do it all over again, I'd lift my ass off, but always stay lean-nobody ( especially females) cares that you are 200 + lbs and you can bench 315...
My guess is that females must feel some subconscious correlation between guys with small wastes that are in shape and the length of time you can bang the snot out of them-
what if I started posting how I screwed the brains out of your mother and then you were conceived...you're an old dumb loser
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This guys is great. Nick's Strength and Power is the Youtube channel. Is he on Getbig?
I've been watching him for years as well. I don't know if he's on getbig but he has mentioned it in at least one of his vids. Pretty sure Jamie Lewis (Chaos of Pain, Plague of Strength) is on here though.
That video is the most real video about natty bodybuilding I have ever seen and natties should NOT try to get cut like oldtimer said. You just get small and weak.
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Coprophiliacs?
It was early when I was typing that and the vyvanse had not yet kicked in ;D
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I think the guy is a stinkin liar and IS a juicer..
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I think the guy is a stinkin liar and IS a juicer..
I doubt it and he definitely wasn't juicing when he competed or he wouldn't have lost 75lbs and competed in the 140's.
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"I'm ashamed of how fuckin' small I was. I mean, 143....that's what girls weigh"
Hahahahaha!
or more...(Bev Francis)
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If you are a nattie and you try to go to sub 10% bodyfat you will look like an Auschwitz survivor.
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If you are a nattie and you try to go to sub 10% bodyfat you will look like an Auschwitz survivor.
Exactly, and that's why we know almost all of these natty bodybuilders are full of shit.
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Did Nick look better bulked up?
Opinions.
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Did Nick look better bulked up?
Opinions.
He looked kind of fat at 220 but looked jacked at 190-210. Watch his videos about him competing and he has all kinds of pics at every stage of his development.
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Nick has a great YouTube page- and seems pretty honest so props to him. But dropping down to 143 means he just starved himself and lost a lot of muscle. Before I started lifting regularly I was a bicycle racer. I was asked to participate in a university study on cycle training and as part of it I was hydrostatically weighed to determine body fat. At the time I was in the middle of the race season and super lean- veins everywhere and deep abs. I tested at 162 pounds and 11.9% fat! By bodybuilding standards I guess I was obese, lol. I’m 5’9” by the way (- or 5’9.025” if Matt is reading this.)
After I started lifting heavy ( and still racing) I got to the mid 180’s and still very lean. Then growth kinda stopped- no matter what I tried I wasn’t gaining any more muscle- and I’m completely natural. From what I have read in research over the years, a gain of 20-30 pounds of muscle is about the limit for a natural-and I agree. All I do now is maintain strength and general fitness.
I really don’t see why anybody would aspire to be a natural bodybuilder anymore. You are never going to turn heads in a contest since you are a skeleton compared to those who use. It’s just boring to watch.
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Nick has a great YouTube page- and seems pretty honest so props to him. But dropping down to 143 means he just starved himself and lost a lot of muscle. Before I started lifting regularly I was a bicycle racer. I was asked to participate in a university study on cycle training and as part of it I was hydrostatically weighed to determine body fat. At the time I was in the middle of the race season and super lean- veins everywhere and deep abs. I tested at 162 pounds and 11.9% fat! By bodybuilding standards I guess I was obese, lol. I’m 5’9” by the way (- or 5’9.025” if Matt is reading this.)
After I started lifting heavy ( and still racing) I got to the mid 180’s and still very lean. Then growth kinda stopped- no matter what I tried I wasn’t gaining any more muscle- and I’m completely natural. From what I have read in research over the years, a gain of 20-30 pounds of muscle is about the limit for a natural-and I agree. All I do now is maintain strength and general fitness.
I really don’t see why anybody would aspire to be a natural bodybuilder anymore. You are never going to turn heads in a contest since you are a skeleton compared to those who use. It’s just boring to watch.
Yeah, it's kind of ridiculous being the smallest guy in the building when you are on stage competing.
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If you are a nattie and you try to go to sub 10% bodyfat you will look like an Auschwitz survivor.
or marathon runner