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Title: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 23, 2019, 03:22:10 PM
Disgusting POS


https://www.lifenews.com/2019/01/16/new-york-bill-allowing-abortions-up-to-birth-says-a-person-is-only-a-human-being-who-has-been-born/
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: AbrahamG on January 23, 2019, 03:28:32 PM
Disgusting POS


https://www.lifenews.com/2019/01/16/new-york-bill-allowing-abortions-up-to-birth-says-a-person-is-only-a-human-being-who-has-been-born/

About fucking time!!
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 23, 2019, 03:31:05 PM
About fucking time!!

Up to birth you sick fuck?
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: SOMEPARTS on January 23, 2019, 03:31:07 PM
About fucking time!!



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Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: AbrahamG on January 23, 2019, 03:33:26 PM
Up to birth you sick fuck?

No.  I'd say up to 48 hours post birth.
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 23, 2019, 03:36:50 PM
Too bad we can't abort liberals after birth into adulthood.
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 23, 2019, 03:38:24 PM
Too bad we can't abort liberals after birth into adulthood.
This x million
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: Straw Man on January 23, 2019, 03:45:09 PM
This x million

typical hypocritical fundie

oh wait, that's redundant
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: chaos on January 23, 2019, 03:46:59 PM
Too bad we can't abort liberals after birth into adulthood.
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: Dos Equis on January 23, 2019, 03:56:47 PM
Disgusting POS


https://www.lifenews.com/2019/01/16/new-york-bill-allowing-abortions-up-to-birth-says-a-person-is-only-a-human-being-who-has-been-born/

Twisted:

The bill appears to restrict late-term abortions, but it adds a broad “health” exception for abortions after 24 weeks. The exception would allow women to abort unborn babies up to nine months of pregnancy for “age, economic, social and emotional factors, rather than the biological definition of ‘health’ that normally comes to mind,” according to New York RTL.

Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: Moontrane on January 23, 2019, 06:04:32 PM
Twisted:

The bill appears to restrict late-term abortions, but it adds a broad “health” exception for abortions after 24 weeks. The exception would allow women to abort unborn babies up to nine months of pregnancy for “age, economic, social and emotional factors, rather than the biological definition of ‘health’ that normally comes to mind,” according to New York RTL.



In most of Europe it's until 12 weeks, with some exceptions.  NY lawmakers are out of their minds.

Princeton’s Peter Singer must love this.

Cuomo's signaling his 2020 prez bid and hoping for a legal challenge that will go to the SCOTUS.  A 2-for-1 via an awful means.
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: Dos Equis on January 23, 2019, 06:17:17 PM
In most of Europe it's until 12 weeks, with some exceptions.  NY lawmakers are out of their minds.

Princeton’s Peter Singer must love this.

Cuomo's signaling his 2020 prez bid and hoping for a legal challenge that will go to the SCOTUS.  A 2-for-1 via an awful means.

Yeah we've talked about that guy on this board before.  I think loco was the one who first posted him? 
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: Primemuscle on January 24, 2019, 03:19:53 PM
Not taking a position on this, because there seems to be no definitive answer as to when life begins, only when it ends.

What I know is that I had two adopted sisters (one died a few years ago). Had their birth mothers aborted them, my mom may never have fulfilled her decade long desire to have more children and I may never have gained the freedom to become an adult on my own terms.
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: Dos Equis on January 24, 2019, 03:23:18 PM
Not taking a position on this, because there seems to be no definitive answer as to when life begins, only when it ends.

What I know is that I had two adopted sisters (one died a few years ago). Had their birth mothers aborted them, my mom may never have fulfilled her decade long desire to have more children and I may never have gained the freedom to become an adult on my own terms.


You cannot take a position on killing a healthy baby from a healthy mother minutes before birth?? 
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: Primemuscle on January 24, 2019, 04:04:41 PM
You cannot take a position on killing a healthy baby from a healthy mother minutes before birth?? 

That's not what I posted. You missed the point. When does life begin? When is a fetus a human being? The answer is that there are fervently differing and opposing opinions as to when life begins and a baby is a baby, the health of which is not an absolute until after it is born.

In the United States, the maternal death rate averaged 9.1 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births during the years 1979–1986, but then rose rapidly to 14 per 100,000 in 2000 and 17.8 per 100,000 in 2009. In 2013 the rate was 18.5 deaths per 100,000 live births.

Stillbirth effects about 1% of all pregnancies, and each year about 24,000 babies are stillborn in the United States. That is about the same number of babies that die during the first year of life and it is more than 10 times as many deaths as the number that occur from Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS).


https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/stillbirth/facts.html





Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: Princess L on January 24, 2019, 04:26:51 PM


Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: Dos Equis on January 24, 2019, 04:31:12 PM
That's not what I posted. You missed the point. When does life begin? When is a fetus a human being? The answer is that there are fervently differing and opposing opinions as to when life begins and a baby is a baby, the health of which is not an absolute until after it is born.

In the United States, the maternal death rate averaged 9.1 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births during the years 1979–1986, but then rose rapidly to 14 per 100,000 in 2000 and 17.8 per 100,000 in 2009. In 2013 the rate was 18.5 deaths per 100,000 live births.

Stillbirth effects about 1% of all pregnancies, and each year about 24,000 babies are stillborn in the United States. That is about the same number of babies that die during the first year of life and it is more than 10 times as many deaths as the number that occur from Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS).


https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/stillbirth/facts.html


There is a debate about whether life begins at conception.  There is no reasonable debate about whether a full-term baby, hours or minutes before birth, is a human being. 
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: Dos Equis on January 24, 2019, 04:39:28 PM




Forgot about that monster. 
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: Primemuscle on January 24, 2019, 04:47:40 PM
There is a debate about whether life begins at conception.  There is no reasonable debate about whether a full-term baby, hours or minutes before birth, is a human being. 

So then, let's you and I not debate about it. Neither of us will ever get pregnant, unless there's something you haven't revealed about yourself. ;)
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: AbrahamG on January 24, 2019, 04:50:12 PM
There is a debate about whether life begins at conception.  There is no reasonable debate about whether a full-term baby, hours or minutes before birth, is a human being. 

I just find this silly.
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: mazrim on January 24, 2019, 05:16:33 PM
That's not what I posted. You missed the point. When does life begin? When is a fetus a human being? The answer is that there are fervently differing and opposing opinions as to when life begins and a baby is a baby, the health of which is not an absolute until after it is born.

In the United States, the maternal death rate averaged 9.1 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births during the years 1979–1986, but then rose rapidly to 14 per 100,000 in 2000 and 17.8 per 100,000 in 2009. In 2013 the rate was 18.5 deaths per 100,000 live births.

Stillbirth effects about 1% of all pregnancies, and each year about 24,000 babies are stillborn in the United States. That is about the same number of babies that die during the first year of life and it is more than 10 times as many deaths as the number that occur from Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS).


https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/stillbirth/facts.html






Why is that part bolded? It has nothing to do with actually murdering a living baby.
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: IroNat on January 24, 2019, 05:22:27 PM
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/s240

§ 2599-BB. ABORTION.  1.  A  HEALTH CARE PRACTITIONER LICENSED, CERTI-
FIED, OR AUTHORIZED UNDER TITLE EIGHT OF THE EDUCATION LAW, ACTING WITH-
IN HIS OR HER LAWFUL SCOPE OF PRACTICE, MAY PERFORM  AN  ABORTION  WHEN,
ACCORDING  TO  THE PRACTITIONER'S REASONABLE AND GOOD FAITH PROFESSIONAL
JUDGMENT BASED ON THE FACTS OF THE PATIENT'S CASE: THE PATIENT IS WITHIN
TWENTY-FOUR WEEKS FROM THE COMMENCEMENT OF PREGNANCY,  OR  THERE  IS  AN
ABSENCE  OF FETAL VIABILITY, OR THE ABORTION IS NECESSARY TO PROTECT THE
PATIENT'S LIFE OR HEALTH.
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: mazrim on January 24, 2019, 05:23:16 PM
So then, let's you and I not debate about it. Neither of us will ever get pregnant, unless there's something you haven't revealed about yourself. ;)
You are deflecting. You believe it is ok to kill babies in the circumstances this bill allows and you won't just come out and say it.

Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: Dos Equis on January 24, 2019, 05:53:49 PM
So then, let's you and I not debate about it. Neither of us will ever get pregnant, unless there's something you haven't revealed about yourself. ;)

I know you are trying to avoid taking a position on something that is indefensible, but it's ok.  This is only a message board. 
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: Dos Equis on January 24, 2019, 05:54:44 PM
I just find this silly.

Am I supposed to care?  Wait.  Are you actually going to have an adult conversation?   :o
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: AbrahamG on January 24, 2019, 05:57:04 PM
Am I supposed to care?  Wait.  Are you actually going to have an adult conversation?   :o

I cannot get my head around how any sane person can believe their load is viable if not living the next morning.  I totally get being opposed to abortion.  Most certainly the longer the pregnancy goes.  But opposition to the morning after pill or contraception in general is a non starter for intelligent dialogue. 
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: Dos Equis on January 24, 2019, 05:58:46 PM
I cannot get my head around how any sane person can believe their load is viable if not living the next morning.  I totally get being opposed to abortion.  Most certainly the longer the pregnancy goes.  But opposition to the morning after pill or contraception in general is a non starter for intelligent dialogue. 

Do you understand the difference between semen and conception? 
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: AbrahamG on January 24, 2019, 05:59:47 PM
Do you understand the difference between semen and conception? 

Give me a second to google it...............
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: Dos Equis on January 24, 2019, 06:13:05 PM
Give me a second to google it...............

Let me know when you find and understand it. 
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: AbrahamG on January 24, 2019, 06:35:54 PM
Let me know when you find and understand it. 

Ok.  Got it.
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 24, 2019, 07:09:38 PM
Not taking a position on this, because there seems to be no definitive answer as to when life begins, only when it ends.

What I know is that I had two adopted sisters (one died a few years ago). Had their birth mothers aborted them, my mom may never have fulfilled her decade long desire to have more children and I may never have gained the freedom to become an adult on my own terms.


This is always the liberal defense no matter how cut and dry the obvious answer is.
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 24, 2019, 07:10:52 PM
I just find this silly.

Because you don't know any better.
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 24, 2019, 07:13:10 PM




Wife and I saw this. Very difficult to watch.
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: Dos Equis on January 24, 2019, 07:17:25 PM
Ok.  Got it.

Great.  My work here is done. 
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: AbrahamG on January 24, 2019, 07:24:02 PM
Because you don't know any better.

I know that if you think your load is viable 12 hours after releasing it then you are retarded (at best).
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: Dos Equis on January 24, 2019, 07:27:44 PM
I know that if you think your load is viable 12 hours after releasing it then you are retarded (at best).

You lied.  You don't understand the difference between semen and conception. 
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: AbrahamG on January 24, 2019, 08:18:43 PM
You lied.  You don't understand the difference between semen and conception. 

Busted.
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 24, 2019, 10:18:51 PM
You lied.  You don't understand the difference between semen and conception. 

 Not a clue

Liberalism....the party of “science”
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: Primemuscle on January 25, 2019, 01:23:00 PM
Why is that part bolded? It has nothing to do with actually murdering a living baby.

Because it relates to this:

You cannot take a position on killing a healthy baby from a healthy mother minutes before birth?? 

Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: mazrim on January 25, 2019, 01:28:01 PM
Because it relates to this:


Unless I am missing something stillborn babies are not healthy....

Still you avoid.
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: Primemuscle on January 25, 2019, 02:05:40 PM
Unless I am missing something stillborn babies are not healthy....

Still you avoid.

Exactly, they aren't healthy and that's the point.

You think I'm avoiding the larger issue, which is abortion, but I am not. I see both sides of this argument; anti-abortion and abortion rights. Read my original post were I talk about the joy my two adopted sisters brought to my parents and me. Had their birth mothers opted for abortion, it would have been a huge loss to our family. I'm glad for the choice they opted for and I also recognize it was theirs and no one else's to make.
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: OzmO on January 25, 2019, 02:18:15 PM
Not sure if there is a clear answer....

Is it only for in case the Mother's health is at risk?

But, aborting a baby at the end of the term?  That's insane. 

and then we are discussing whether or not the baby is a person at the end of term?  ::)

WTF is wrong with people.

And for the record I am anti-abortion, but pro legal abortion as it is, or was in NY.
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: mazrim on January 25, 2019, 05:17:02 PM
Exactly, they aren't healthy and that's the point.

You think I'm avoiding the larger issue, which is abortion, but I am not. I see both sides of this argument; anti-abortion and abortion rights. Read my original post were I talk about the joy my two adopted sisters brought to my parents and me. Had their birth mothers opted for abortion, it would have been a huge loss to our family. I'm glad for the choice they opted for and I also recognize it was theirs and no one else's to make.
I give up. It is maddening how you have to be walked thru everything as you do not understand what you are posting as you post it or what you are replying too.

And the fact that you avoid/dance around when you are asked a direct question.
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: Primemuscle on January 26, 2019, 12:02:20 PM
I give up. It is maddening how you have to be walked thru everything as you do not understand what you are posting as you post it or what you are replying too.

And the fact that you avoid/dance around when you are asked a direct question.

Please do give up.
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: mazrim on January 30, 2019, 05:28:18 AM
Virginia up next with this sickness. The party of murder proposing the slaughter of defenseless babies up to birth. It's like their own purge but the other side can't fight back. Gross and despicable people.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nationalreview.com/corner/virginia-bill-would-legalize-abortion-up-to-birth/amp/
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: Dos Equis on January 30, 2019, 09:15:41 AM
Virginia up next with this sickness. The party of murder proposing the slaughter of defenseless babies up to birth. It's like their own purge but the other side can't fight back. Gross and despicable people.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nationalreview.com/corner/virginia-bill-would-legalize-abortion-up-to-birth/amp/

Didn't see this before I posted the same story in another thread.  This is twisted. 
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 30, 2019, 01:00:25 PM
Virginia up next with this sickness. The party of murder proposing the slaughter of defenseless babies up to birth. It's like their own purge but the other side can't fight back. Gross and despicable people.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nationalreview.com/corner/virginia-bill-would-legalize-abortion-up-to-birth/amp/
The MSM will be silent.
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 30, 2019, 01:48:09 PM
The only good thing is that all these liberal commie sickos are aborting their own and are not reproducing other mentally ill people
Title: Re: New York Bill Allowing Abortions Up to Birth
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 30, 2019, 02:02:23 PM
The only good thing is that all these liberal commie sickos are aborting their own and are not reproducing other mentally ill people
Good point.