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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: SGT BARNES on January 30, 2019, 07:50:36 PM
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even lift bruh...wtf
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looks healthy and smart
all that matters is how you look on stage -
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Picture frame = 1.178 heaths wide.
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looks healthy and smart
all that matters is how you look on stage -
Qft
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only legit kigs can save this one...
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He won his first over 40. He can just place in the top 5 for the next 4 years, and still likely end up with the same amount of money as if he started pushing the envelope with drugs further and wins 1-2 more (unlikely anyway). Staying in good health is a smart move especially with the issues he had last year and the fall/winter before.
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I wouldn’t spend too much time worrying about it.
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even lift bruh...wtf
.....and you’re not.
Proceed
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Ironic how he looks 10 times better now than when he's blasting getting ready for the show. If I was in his shoes, I wouldn't even do the O again. Take to social media and make money that way and stay big but not huge.
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Yes, he lifts. He lifts strong. He lifts hard. Yes, he is in good shape. Yes, his shirt covers his muscles. Yes, he is going to defend his title in 2019.
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even lift bruh...wtf
Looks to have a very large cock. It is tucked pretty far to his left in his jean slacks. Looks to be broaching the pocket area of said slacks.
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even lift bruh...wtf
This photo is deceiving. I just saw him last Saturday at the LA Fit Expo. He's a big guy. But, he is shorter than I expected. Only in the 5'8"-5'9" range.
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Ironic how he looks 10 times better now than when he's blasting getting ready for the show. If I was in his shoes, I wouldn't even do the O again. Take to social media and make money that way and stay big but not huge.
That’s pretty much all pro and competing bbers
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Looks to have a very large cock. It is tucked pretty far to his left in his jean slacks. Looks to be broaching the pocket area of said slacks.
:D
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He won his first over 40. He can just place in the top 5 for the next 4 years, and still likely end up with the same amount of money as if he started pushing the envelope with drugs further and wins 1-2 more (unlikely anyway). Staying in good health is a smart move especially with the issues he had last year and the fall/winter before.
Like failing kidneys and liver? A heart attack?
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looks healthy and smart
all that matters is how you look on stage -
Specially when you're in your 40's too much toxic to prepare for a show of that caliber.
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Like failing kidneys and liver? A heart attack?
Genetic abnormalities.
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This photo is deceiving. I just saw him last Saturday at the LA Fit Expo. He's a big guy. But, he is shorter than I expected. Only in the 5'8"-5'9" range.
He's 5'10
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Yes, he lifts. He lifts strong. He lifts hard. Yes, he is in good shape. Yes, his shirt covers his muscles. Yes, he is going to defend his title in 2019.
Jesus Ron, you wanna felate him now or later? ;D
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Genetic abnormalities.
His 8th step-brothers, 3rd cousin, had organ problems. Clearly genetic abnormality.
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Jesus Ron, you wanna felate him now or later? ;D
Holly shit ,that's Ron , I thought that was Shawn's wife .
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Neither are you midget. I am also not a failed gym owner, yet you are. "training people online" LoL.
and because its your standard reply - yes im bigger and better than you ever were my image is on here, you go find it, dont beg for it. And sure I am happy to compare portfolios with you anytime. go ahead and post yours LoL. (wont)
.....and you’re not.
Proceed
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Neither are you midget. I am also not a failed gym owner, yet you are. "training people online" LoL.
and because its your standard reply - yes im bigger and better than you ever were my image is on here, you go find it, dont beg for it. And sure I am happy to compare portfolios with you anytime. go ahead and post yours LoL. (wont)
Oh look, our resident gimmick troll is back with nothing to offer. Dude doesn’t even train...lol
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Neither are you midget. I am also not a failed gym owner, yet you are. "training people online" LoL.
and because its your standard reply - yes im bigger and better than you ever were my image is on here, you go find it, dont beg for it. And sure I am happy to compare portfolios with you anytime. go ahead and post yours LoL. (wont)
Prove it. Repost your pic, liar
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I wouldn’t spend too much time worrying about it.
:D
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i think a valid point is made, youre not just mr olympia on stage, but you need to represent at all times, looking large and in charge.
why is he even wearing long sleeves? he should be wearing a tank top
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Neither are you midget. I am also not a failed gym owner, yet you are. "training people online" LoL.
and because its your standard reply - yes im bigger and better than you ever were my image is on here, you go find it, dont beg for it. And sure I am happy to compare portfolios with you anytime. go ahead and post yours LoL. (wont)
Just went back on your posts. 1. You clearly have a man crush on me. 2. Your posts are ONE HUNDRED percent negative be it me or someone else 3. There isn’t a pic to find of you. And the big one....#4 You said you lived in my area. Bullshit. If you followed my posts you exactly where I train and what times. You’re nowhere to be found and if you had any balls whatsoever you’d come right up to me. Haven’t come across that yet.
You’re a lying sack of shit who only talks shit behind a keyboard. But if you’re interested, I’m at the UFC gym on Beach/Warner every morning from 9:30-11:30 then at the YMCA on Magnolia/Adams right now until 1:15. Clown
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Like failing kidneys and liver? A heart attack?
Never heard that. He was on RX Muscle. Something about bleeding ulcers, and couldn't eat any solids for the Arnold prep last year. Broken jaw or something too maybe? He was blending his chicken and shit and drinking it through a straw.
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Just went back on your posts. 1. You clearly have a man crush on me. 2. Your posts are ONE HUNDRED percent negative be it me or someone else 3. There isn’t a pic to find of you. And the big one....#4 You said you lived in my area. Bullshit. If you followed my posts you exactly where I train and what times. You’re nowhere to be found and if you had any balls whatsoever you’d come right up to me. Haven’t come across that yet.
You’re a lying sack of shit who only talks shit behind a keyboard. But if you’re interested, I’m at the UFC gym on Beach/Warner every morning from 9:30-11:30 then at the YMCA on Magnolia/Adams right now until 1:15. Clown
Coach!
Wouldn't want to mess with Sgt Barnes if i were you.
He is military trained and by that i mean he was a Master Sergeant in Special Forces.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=651617.0;attach=770278;image)
Dude looks small as fuck in this picture. lol.
However, he won the Mr Olympia and I couldn't win the Junior Mr Kazakhstan so what the fuck do I know.
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Said he took time off training, and obviously drugging, after the O and is just now gettong back to it. Good move and what Ronnie and Phil also did.
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Said he took time off training, and obviously drugging, after the O and is just now gettong back to it. Good move and what Ronnie and Phil also did.
I find these pros a lot less impressive now.. It's very clear that their physiques are all drugs. As soon as they go off, their gains disappear and they turn into pencil necked geeks.
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I find these pros a lot less impressive now.. It's very clear that their physiques are all drugs. As soon as they go off, their gains disappear and they turn into pencil necked geeks.
You may look at it from another angle also: taking a lot of drugs is work. I'm not kidding in the least. It's not fun, you don't feel good. An Olympian stack can make you feel like death, physically and mentally. You may turn to narcotics to handle it. So even if it was "all drugs", which it isn't because genetics is the most important part and which decides everything, doing these cycles takes a lot of effort. Many competitors can't stand to look at another syringe after a show and need a break.
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I find these pros a lot less impressive now.. It's very clear that their physiques are all drugs. As soon as they go off, their gains disappear and they turn into pencil necked geeks.
Health is most important though.
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You may look at it from another angle also: taking a lot of drugs is work. I'm not kidding in the least. It's not fun, you don't feel good. An Olympian stack can make you feel like death, physically and mentally. You may turn to narcotics to handle it. So even if it was "all drugs", which it isn't because genetics is the most important part and which decides everything, doing these cycles takes a lot of effort. Many competitors can't stand to look at another syringe after a show and need a break.
I'm not trying to be argumentative or shit on you personally so please don't take offense, but........
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The guys that have longevity go off drugs after a contest and give their body a break. Arnold, Zane, Franco and many others looked a shadow of them self after a contest.
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The guys that have longevity go off drugs after a contest and give their body a break. Arnold, Zane, Franco and many others looked a shadow of them self after a contest.
You my friend, are correct! ;D I've seen those guys off drugs. They looked like us and sometimes even less so. But if you're going to take that shit, get off it when it's not, for lack of a better word, "warranted".
Robbie Robinson tried being "contest ready" all year 'round back in the late '70s and it took a toll on him. These mental midgets are not only all drugs but they're all drugs all year. They have no real life so they shorten it for a doorstop. FTN.
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I think anyone who placed top 6 last year can beat Rhoden this year if comes equally as shredded as him,
(Assuming he'll be ripped again) he's in his mid 40's so I don't think we're looking at a Dominant champ here .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Brandon Curry
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The guys that have longevity go off drugs after a contest and give their body a break. Arnold, Zane, Franco and many others looked a shadow of them self after a contest.
Ding ding
many burn themselves out so fast
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That’s pretty much all pro and competing bbers
exactly...
but my personal take is this:
1. do your best to get to your natural best ability - then you can use less and bounce back faster/prep quicker
2. take tons of time off between "prep and "shows"
your career, wallet, mindset, health, social life will be glad you did.
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Someone define "All drugs" for me. I wanna know. I've been in and around this industry for the better part of 40 years and have ALWAYS kept up to today's standards, drugs, training, diet etc. I've prepped a lot of competitors for shows and now that's probably more than 60% of my online business, my training partners are current IFBB pro's (an I know EXACTLY what they take off-season and come contest prep) the guy I chose to do my prep is a former IFBB pro.
I knew what bodybuilders took back then and I know what the majority are taking now. Of course, you're going to have some that think more is better which is total COMPLETE and utter bullshit and those will be the ones that will more than likely get into trouble.
When people say "all drugs" that means you're dismissing all of the other aspects. Chances are very few if any of you heard Aceto's interview regarding Rhoden. If you heard the ENTIRE interview then lets talk about it. BTW, whoever injected Bostin Loyds name into this, don't. He's a sideshow act.
Define "ALL DRUGS" this irritates the fuck out of me
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looks healthy and smart
all that matters is how you look on stage -
Def no
The minimum that we expect for Mr O is being fking big all year round.
If he dies, he dies.
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You my friend, are correct! ;D I've seen those guys off drugs. They looked like us and sometimes even less so. But if you're going to take that shit, get off it when it's not, for lack of a better word, "warranted".
Robbie Robinson tried being "contest ready" all year 'round back in the late '70s and it took a toll on him. These mental midgets are not only all drugs but they're all drugs all year. They have no real life so they shorten it for a doorstop. FTN.
I agree with what you're saying, but I'd like to know where you got the part about Robinson? Did he say that somewhere?
He was just on RX Muscle 2-3 weeks ago for almost an hour long vid. They put up recent pics from his social media, and his physique is still amazing for any age let alone someone in their 70's.
He stated he pretty much took the same thing his whole career, and said what it was so I'm just not aware of this toll you speak of?
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This thread is a waste of time at this point.
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You may look at it from another angle also: taking a lot of drugs is work. I'm not kidding in the least. It's not fun, you don't feel good. An Olympian stack can make you feel like death, physically and mentally. You may turn to narcotics to handle it. So even if it was "all drugs", which it isn't because genetics is the most important part and which decides everything, doing these cycles takes a lot of effort. Many competitors can't stand to look at another syringe after a show and need a break.
how come you were on an olympian stack? were did you place?
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Be honest how many on here actually listened to the Chris aceto-interview
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Be honest how many on here actually listened to the Chris aceto-interview
I haven't, but one of my best friends was my former boss at the gym I mentioned in my other reply to you. He's 15 years my senior, so he was able to go to one of those muscle camps they used to do in the early 90s, and worked out with some of the pros. Aceto and Gaspari were the two he worked out with most, and who told him the most. Aceto is old school. I feel pretty safe saying whatever he said spoke about taking time off for receptor affinity and health, and that dosages were very reasonable. Likely 2grms max with the addition of GH, Clen, T3/T4, and maybe some of the other fancy stuff now days. I would be shocked if he advocates for using high doses of slin, if any at all.
One quick funny: I asked my friend what Gaspari used. He told me when he asked him what the best stack was, Gaspari said "whatever you can get". He said they never discussed overall total dosage, but my friend got as big as a bit over 290 at 5'10", and he never suggested I go any higher than what I was told which was 1500
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Someone define "All drugs" for me. I wanna know. I've been in and around this industry for the better part of 40 years and have ALWAYS kept up to today's standards, drugs, training, diet etc. I've prepped a lot of competitors for shows and now that's probably more than 60% of my online business, my training partners are current IFBB pro's (an I know EXACTLY what they take off-season and come contest prep) the guy I chose to do my prep is a former IFBB pro.
I knew what bodybuilders took back then and I know what the majority are taking now. Of course, you're going to have some that think more is better which is total COMPLETE and utter bullshit and those will be the ones that will more than likely get into trouble.
When people say "all drugs" that means you're dismissing all of the other aspects. Chances are very few if any of you heard Aceto's interview regarding Rhoden. If you heard the ENTIRE interview then lets talk about it. BTW, whoever injected Bostin Loyds name into this, don't. He's a sideshow act.
Define "ALL DRUGS" this irritates the fuck out of me
They say that because of how much a person shrinks when he stops bbing. But it's a cop out. They also stop training and stop eating like a bber.
You can just as easily say it's all food or it's all weight lifting because without either then no muscle.
Hormones will take you further provided the training and diet is there.
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Someone define "All drugs" for me. I wanna know. I've been in and around this industry for the better part of 40 years and have ALWAYS kept up to today's standards, drugs, training, diet etc. I've prepped a lot of competitors for shows and now that's probably more than 60% of my online business, my training partners are current IFBB pro's (an I know EXACTLY what they take off-season and come contest prep) the guy I chose to do my prep is a former IFBB pro.
I knew what bodybuilders took back then and I know what the majority are taking now. Of course, you're going to have some that think more is better which is total COMPLETE and utter bullshit and those will be the ones that will more than likely get into trouble.
When people say "all drugs" that means you're dismissing all of the other aspects. Chances are very few if any of you heard Aceto's interview regarding Rhoden. If you heard the ENTIRE interview then lets talk about it. BTW, whoever injected Bostin Loyds name into this, don't. He's a sideshow act.
Define "ALL DRUGS" this irritates the fuck out of me
One of the components of an "all drugs" guy is if he never comes off. This wasn't common until the all drugs era started. Rhoden knows his body. Stays lean and grows into a contest like the old timers apparently. No gut...
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Define "ALL DRUGS"
all drugs: any physique otherwise unattainable without the use of drugs.
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One of the components of an "all drugs" guy is if he never comes off. This wasn't common until the all drugs era started. Rhoden knows his body. Stays lean and grows into a contest like the old timers apparently. No gut...
Spot on, but I'm curious to know when you feel the drug era started?
I have my opinion. I'm interested to see if you think the same
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All drugs.
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All Drugs
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They say that because of how much a person shrinks when he stops bbing. But it's a cop out. They also stop training and stop eating like a bber.
You can just as easily say it's all food or it's all weight lifting because without either then no muscle.
Hormones will take you further provided the training and diet is there.
They can work out all they want but they will look like a shell of their championship self without drugs. What steroid wonder looks good three months off steroids? I'll wait.
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Page 3 of this thread does an excellent job of defining "all drugs" for those here that have their panties in a bunch.......in both words and photos.
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They can work out all they want but they will look like a shell of their championship self without drugs. What steroid wonder looks good three months off steroids? I'll wait.
"Hormones will take you further provided the training and diet are there."
There are tons of guys that look great that are natural. Nick, from Nick's Strength and Health, looks great. He would look better from a competitive bbing standpoint but he is way above the curve for real life.
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The vast majority on here with the exception of a few are clueless
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The vast majority on here with the exception of a few are clueless
I am far from "clueless", good sir. I have been around for decades and have long known that drugs are the real difference. Once the original film "Pumping Iron" showcased that fact, Pandora's Syringe was forever out of the box.
And shoved into some idiot's butt cheek.
People tend to want it now, regardless of what "it" is. In the case of bodybuilding, it is muscle. Take away Rhoden's supply and he would be puny. Heath? Dinky. The Oak? A sapling.
Steve Reeves on the other hand, would still be Steve Reeves. Clarence Ross would be Clarence Ross. Reg Lewis would, well...You know exactly what I am saying.
And it isn't so much that we're insulted by the top piece of shit drug addict "champions" of the last few decades but rather their ridiculous lying about it. They've got crap for DNA. Don't believe me?
Hot Topic Employee of the Month, Tom Prince.
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I am far from "clueless", good sir. I have been around for decades and have long known that drugs are the real difference. Once the original film "Pumping Iron" showcased that fact, Pandora's Syringe was forever out of the box.
And shoved into some idiot's butt cheek.
People tend to want it now, regardless of what "it" is. In the case of bodybuilding, it is muscle. Take away Rhoden's supply and he would be puny. Heath? Dinky. The Oak? A sapling.
Steve Reeves on the other hand, would still be Steve Reeves. Clarence Ross would be Clarence Ross. Reg Lewis would, well...You know exactly what I am saying.
And it isn't so much that we're insulted by the top piece of shit drug addict "champions" of the last few decades but rather their ridiculous lying about it. They've got crap for DNA. Don't believe me?
Hot Topic Employee of the Month, Tom Prince.
We are not talking about taking away anything. I'm in full disclosure that drugs are taken and necessary but thats not the point. The point is by saying "All drugs" insinuates that training and dieting are not necessary or as necessary as one might think. This is a complete fallacy and then you have posters putting up comparison pics of Levrone that are freaking 10 years apart over a 20-year span. The the pic of Dillet was how many years apart? How long do you suppose it took Dorian to lose his muscle....years!! It's not they come off a cycle and immediately deflate.
The before and after pic of Mustafa, what was the time span on that? Granted he had health problems (thanks Milos). Lee Preist is completely off-cycle and still trains and looks like it. Don't you think that if they continue to train and eat while off (which is what you should be doing) that this won't retain a lot of the muscle? I know when I come off, I get softer and maybe lose 8-10lbs.
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How long do you suppose it took Dorian to lose his muscle....years!! It's not they come off a cycle and immediately deflate.
the muscle, that he lost, would not have existed in the first place without drugs, silly
(https://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Yates19.jpg)
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the muscle, that he lost, would not have existed in the first place without drugs, silly
(https://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Yates19.jpg)
Fucking A...that’s not what we’re talking about. Did he not train or diet or was that part irrelevant?
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Did he not train or diet or was that part irrelevant?
yes.... without the drugs, completely.
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yes.... without the drugs, completely.
do you reckon a lot of other bodybuilders would've beaten dorian if none of them used drugs?
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yes.... without the drugs, completely.
So you think if all he did were to take drugs and not train and diet, he would have looked the same?
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So you think if all he did were to take drugs and not train and diet, he would have looked the same?
I think that steroids are a necessary foundation upon which everything else is constructed. take that foundation away, and u have a natural... who would most certainly not look the same.
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So you think if all he did were to take drugs and not train and diet, he would have looked the same?
You're totally missing the point, as usual lol. No one is saying NEVER train and NEVER diet lol. Of course you have to train. However, the emphasis is PRIMARILY on drugs. With good genetics and a lot of drugs, one can still look damn good with shitty training and a subpar diet. That is the point.
Training hard and eating right but with no drugs = a subpar body.
Training minimal and shitty with a subpar diet with a lot of drugs = a big mofo.
Drugs are the all deciding factors and obviously genetics.
Without drugs, Dorian's physique is nowhere even remotely possible. But, with the right stack, the right genetics, and even with bad training and a bad diet, Dorian's physique is still a lot more attainable. You're under playing the power of PEDs.
What's funny, is that you say we don't know what we are talking about, yet you seem totally lost in understanding what we are saying.
You realize back in NYC, I trained with quite a few NPC competitors and powerlifters who were juicing. Just becuase I dont own a personal training business, it doesn't mean I can't tell the obvious power of PEDs over everything else.
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I think that steroids are a necessary foundation upon which everything else is constructed. take that foundation away, and u have a natural... who would most certainly not look the same.
I agree with this. But I will add that IMO, there is no such thing as a "natural" competing bodybuilder but that's another subject for another time. You can go back to the 1990 Olympia to see what a "less enhanced" bodybuilder would have looked like. I was training with JJ Marsh for that and knew what he was taking but at the same time, he was one that also got disqualified.
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Someone define "All drugs" for me. I wanna know. I've been in and around this industry for the better part of 40 years and have ALWAYS kept up to today's standards, drugs, training, diet etc. I've prepped a lot of competitors for shows and now that's probably more than 60% of my online business, my training partners are current IFBB pro's (an I know EXACTLY what they take off-season and come contest prep) the guy I chose to do my prep is a former IFBB pro.
I knew what bodybuilders took back then and I know what the majority are taking now. Of course, you're going to have some that think more is better which is total COMPLETE and utter bullshit and those will be the ones that will more than likely get into trouble.
When people say "all drugs" that means you're dismissing all of the other aspects. Chances are very few if any of you heard Aceto's interview regarding Rhoden. If you heard the ENTIRE interview then lets talk about it. BTW, whoever injected Bostin Loyds name into this, don't. He's a sideshow act.
Define "ALL DRUGS" this irritates the fuck out of me
ALL DRUGS
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You're totally missing the point, as usual lol. No one is saying NEVER train and NEVER diet lol. Of course you have to train. However, the emphasis is PRIMARILY on drugs. With good genetics and a lot of drugs, one can still look damn good with shitty training and a subpar diet. That is the point.
Training hard and eating right but with no drugs = a subpar body.
Training minimal and shitty with a subpar diet with a lot of drugs = a big mofo.
Drugs are the all deciding factors and obviously genetics.
Without drugs, Dorian's physique is nowhere even remotely possible. But, with the right stack, the right genetics, and even with bad training and a bad diet, Dorian's physique is still a lot more attainable. You're under playing the power of PEDs.
By saying "All drugs" implies that very little training and diet is necessary and that's exactly what's being implies by some. Bevos above post proves my point.
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By saying "All drugs" implies that very little training and diet are necessary and that's exactly what's being implies by some.
Well, unlike you, I can differentiate between hyperbole and truth. It's obvious that statement was hyperbolic in nature.
Anyway, you're down playing drugs.
You can be a huge mofo with the right genetics, the right stack, shitty training and a subpar diet. How can you even deny this? Just look at any juiced up gym rat.
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Well, unlike you, I can differentiate between hyperbole and truth. It's obvious that statement was hyperbolic in nature.
Anyway, you're down playing drugs.
You can be a huge mofo with the right genetics, the right stack, shitty training and a subpar diet. How can you even deny this? Just look at any juiced up gym rat.
Obviously you can't because those same people keep defending it.
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ALL DRUGS
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You're totally missing the point, as usual lol. No one is saying NEVER train and NEVER diet lol. Of course you have to train. However, the emphasis is PRIMARILY on drugs. With good genetics and a lot of drugs, one can still look damn good with shitty training and a subpar diet. That is the point.
Training hard and eating right but with no drugs = a subpar body.
Training minimal and shitty with a subpar diet with a lot of drugs = a big mofo.
Drugs are the all deciding factors and obviously genetics.
Without drugs, Dorian's physique is nowhere even remotely possible. But, with the right stack, the right genetics, and even with bad training and a bad diet, Dorian's physique is still a lot more attainable. You're under playing the power of PEDs.
What's funny, is that you say we don't know what we are talking about, yet you seem totally lost in understanding what we are saying.
You realize back in NYC, I trained with quite a few NPC competitors and powerlifters who were juicing. Just becuase I dont own a personal training business, it doesn't mean I can't tell the obvious power of PEDs over everything else.
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Exactly
The drugs make the biggest difference, no one ever said you don’t have to train or eat/diet
From my experience and my own body it’s genetics first and foremost, then drugs and food and training, whichever order for food and training, goes hand in hand
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Obviously you can't because those same people keep defending it.
:::face palm:::
How can one take steroids and never touch a weight and get big?
I think the posters here are smart enough to know that one has to actually lift weights.
They are referring to the fact that you can train with minimal effort and still be big with the right drugs and genetics.
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Exactly
The drugs make the biggest difference, no one ever said you don’t have to train or eat/diet
From my experience and my own body it’s genetics first and foremost, then drugs and food and training, whichever order for food and training, goes hand in hand
You're backtracking
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without drugs would ronnie, dorian, lee haney and arnold not have won?
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You're backtracking
Dude, do you think that people here actually think that you can take steroids and NEVER touch a weight and get big? Do you think most getbiggers are that dumb?
You just couldn't read between the lines.
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You're backtracking
Nope
ALL DRUGS STILL ;D
Genetics
Drugs
And then the rest
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without drugs would ronnie, dorian, lee haney and arnold not have won?
Nope
Mike o Hearn and his natural physique would shit all over them
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without drugs Mike o Hearn wouldve been mr olympia for decades :o
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Dude, do you think that people here actually think that you can take steroids and NEVER touch a weight and get big? Do you think most getbiggers are that dumb?
You just couldn't read between the lines.
The majority of people that read, read about someone on some ungodly drug protocol posted on the internet (and believe) it and think the training and diet aren't just as important as the drugs, Most don't realize that you can't have one without the other. Royalty, as an example, posted that he thinks bodybuilding success is
50% genetics (I'll agree with this)
40% Drugs
10% Trainining and diet. TEN PERCENT
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i would say genetics is 99%
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The majority of people that read, read about someone on some ungodly drug protocol posted on the internet (and believe) it and think the training and diet aren't just as important as the drugs, Most don't realize that you can't have one without the other. Royalty, as an example, posted that he thinks bodybuilding success is
50% genetics (I'll agree with this)
40% Drugs
10% Trainining and diet. TEN PERCENT
Well, genetics is always first. Even with a huge drug stack and the right training and the right diet, if you're not meant to have 20" arms, you never will. I think that's a fair assessment.
What I am saying is this:
You can have bodybuilding success with the right drug stack and the right genetics with minimal training (lazy training) and a subpar diet.
You can't have bodybuilding success with the right training and right diet without the genetics and drugs.
So, percentage wise, yes, drugs and genetics do outweigh training and diet.
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without drugs Mike o Hearn wouldve been mr olympia for decades :o
;D
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whats 'bodybuilding success' ?
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Take away all their drugs and you take it all away from them. And anyone with even a Genovan IQ knows exactly what I am saying.
A lot of bodybuilders are extremely short and that may well be due to the use of steroids. Such an excess of testosterone in the system signals the body that puberty is in full force -
" A person’s height and growth are controlled in large part by growth plates in the leg bones. When these growth plates close, a person is not expected to grow any taller.
Anabolic steroids can close these growth plates at a premature point, stunting a person’s growth. In the average male, growth plates close around ages 14 and 16. However, it may not happen until the late teen years for some. If a person starts using steroids before their growth plates close, it can stunt their growth".
Lots of well below average height (and IQ! LOL!) bodybuilders out there, many of which probably have younger sisters that dwarf their "big" brother by being 5' 6" and towering over these "genetic freaks"!!!!
The "Superior Gene Card" is just another excuse. It is all about the drugs for today's competitive bodybuilders, gym rats and pigs like Dana Linn Bailey and O'Hearn.
"If everyone's doing it (taking drugs) then it's not cheating!" Really?
How about this one? "Im not gay, I just suck dick and get buttfucked by gay men for money. It's only gay if I want it to be. Oh...And I am NATURAL dammit!"
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Looks to have a very large cock. It is tucked pretty far to his left in his jean slacks. Looks to be broaching the pocket area of said slacks.
Wonder if he was uncircumcised, like Mentzer?
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One of the components of an "all drugs" guy is if he never comes off. This wasn't common until the all drugs era started. Rhoden knows his body. Stays lean and grows into a contest like the old timers apparently. No gut...
look at that man - he is 43 and appears to be happy and healthy - grows into the show
shawn is my fav bber by far
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look at that man - he is 43 and appears to be happy and healthy - grows into the show
shawn is my fav bber by far
Shawn Ray was mine as well
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The steroid doctor of the eighties, Dr. Walczak, explained it like this: If you are training properly (what's proper is for another debate) and eating properly you can expect to reach the upper limits of your natural genetic limit within two years with 85% of those improvement taking place in the first year. You can play with weight and body composition and make slight improvements due to new unaccustomed stimulus but it's not going to make a huge difference. After that, then it's all drugs and diet (meaning the protein and caloric requirements have to met).
For those that claim these gurus are just drug dealers and chemist have zero experience as to what these people do and why a pro bber, someone who is highly advanced in this field and is not as ignorant of the requirements necessary to be where they are as so many like to claim, would hire and pay thousands of dollars to these gurus. At the highest level, where a fraction of one percent is the difference between winning and losing, these gurus provide objective instructions to finely assess and tweak a world class physique striving to be number one on the planet. Diet is probably the most important aspect at this stage. Not drugs and training. Those are already a given and is not going to be the deal breaker. You can only ingest so much diuretics and not die. How you manipulate carb and fluid intake is the deal breaker at this stage.
In the modern age, no one will win the Mr. Olympia title coaching themselves.
I would be surprised that if anyone here that has actually competed like Coach, Tres Taco, Go4It considered drug and hormone intake as the deciding factor in the last stage of prep and not the 24/7 vigilance in any food or liquid they put into their bodies.
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Walczak was a flaming schmomosexual of disgusting proportions. "Gurus" are drug dealers/pushers. Bodybuilders are stupid addicts.
Drugs are the difference and have been for decades now.
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Walczak was a flaming schmomosexual of disgusting proportions. "Gurus" are drug dealers/pushers. Bodybuilders are stupid addicts.
Drugs are the difference and have been for decades now.
I know to you just being gay disqualifies one from being knowledgeable and competent in anything. Such a stance doesn't enhance your credibility.
The high-level gurus don't sell drugs to their clients. Aceto wasn't sending packs to Rhoden or Cutler. They have their own connects going back decades.
It's different in the Middle East/Oxygen Gym because it's legal there.
Serious question. Really. I am really very curious about this. Why are you even on this site? You seem to despise everything about modern bbing. There are other sites that talk about the days gone by when it was a lot different. The 70s on down. Why do you stay here when it seems to just piss you off?
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Spot on, but I'm curious to know when you feel the drug era started?
I have my opinion. I'm interested to see if you think the same
When judges started rewarding mass over lines. One fed the other - you don't have to blame Haney or Dorian to recognize the trend started around that time.
In general HIT training also would seem to favor a trainer with a massively aided biology.
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I know to you just being gay disqualifies one from being knowledgeable and competent in anything. Such a stance doesn't enhance your credibility.
The high-level gurus don't sell drugs to their clients. Aceto wasn't sending packs to Rhoden or Cutler. They have their own connects going back decades.
It's different in the Middle East/Oxygen Gym because it's legal there.
Serious question. Really. I am really very curious about this. Why are you even on this site? You seem to despise everything about modern bbing. There are other sites that talk about the days gone by when it was a lot different. The 70s on down. Why do you stay here when it seems to just piss you off?
Look kid, don't be ridiculous. Being a homosexual does not "disqualify" Walczak from anything. Being that Walczak was a fuking pervert who happened to "cater" to bodybuilders who happen to be some of, if not the, laziest people on this planet just shows him for the schmoe he was/is. He was an MD so he should know his stuff. This is not the real world, so you have no clue about me other than what I tell you. I think you're an okay guy but I differ from you on a variety of subjects and this just happens to be one. It certainly doesn't make me less credible but rather just pisses off some here (and this apparently includes you) that I find the rampant use of drugs in bodybuilding to be disgusting and men selling their ass to other men is just retarded. Buttsluts the lot of them. Man-Hos. I find that sort of thing to be morally repugnant but then I find women selling themselves to be just as disgusting. Lesbians gross me the Hades out too. Feel otherwise?
Fine. I've never seen you at my mother's home on Thanksgiving so BFD to that side of this coin. ;D
As for the Middle East? Fuck that shithole and the entire world of islime.
As for your "serious" question...Really? Pot calling kettle HEBREW, my young friend. You post out the wazoo about your tussle with the stinky homeless guy (and I AGREE with you on that subject) and I see no valid reason to ax you why you are here. Think about that, not feeeeel about it.
We will just have to agree to disagree on this matter. ;D Later, man!
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When judges started rewarding mass over lines. One fed the other - you don't have to blame Haney or Dorian to recognize the trend started around that time.
In general HIT training also would seem to favor a trainer with a massively aided biology.
Well said. In particular I agree with your assessment that H.I.T. lends itself well to those using drugs. Of course Vince B. will soon chime in that neither of us knows poop about crap but that won't change the fact that I agree with your words quoted above. ;D
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Conclusion after 5 pages:
Elite level bodybuilding is a chemical warfare, not a war with the iron.
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Conclusion after 5 pages:
Elite level bodybuilding is a chemical warfare, not a war with the iron.
yes it's more about the mind than the body.
it puts bodybuilding up there with chess.
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Walczak was a flaming schmomosexual of disgusting proportions. "Gurus" are drug dealers/pushers. Bodybuilders are stupid addicts.
Drugs are the difference and have been for decades now.
Training has been about the same for decades
Food also hasn't changed for eons
Sleep is often overlooked in the list of growth reasons imo
So what's left is genes and drugs. More and more drugs....
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Yes, he lifts. He lifts strong. He lifts hard. Yes, he is in good shape. Yes, his shirt covers his muscles. Yes, he is going to defend his title in 2019.
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LoL. Have looked right down into your beady eyes more than once. Keep thinking.
Your area? Its my area and I dont go to any queer UFC gym, LA boxing was real deal before it got bought out by UFC.
You can find me at the Harp in CM any Friday night. Little knight was good times but it closed years back.
If I thought you were a quality person wed be drinking beer. But I know the truth.
But have to admit you know a thing or two about building strength. There now, enjoy something positive.
Just went back on your posts. 1. You clearly have a man crush on me. 2. Your posts are ONE HUNDRED percent negative be it me or someone else 3. There isn’t a pic to find of you. And the big one....#4 You said you lived in my area. Bullshit. If you followed my posts you exactly where I train and what times. You’re nowhere to be found and if you had any balls whatsoever you’d come right up to me. Haven’t come across that yet.
You’re a lying sack of shit who only talks shit behind a keyboard. But if you’re interested, I’m at the UFC gym on Beach/Warner every morning from 9:30-11:30 then at the YMCA on Magnolia/Adams right now until 1:15. Clown
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also, cedric > shawn
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looks healthy and smart
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What a load of crap
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With the way Rhoden, looked on stage, Id be perfectly happy with the following guys taking the title from him:
Curry
Dexter
Bonac
Ramy
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With the way Rhoden, looked on stage, Id be perfectly happy with the following guys taking the title from him:
Curry
Dexter
Bonac
Ramy
I agree and would even add Phil to the list.
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I agree and would even add Phil to the list.
Yeah, that's the sad part. At this point, I would even take Phil over Rhoden. :-X :'( :-\
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Your horseshit hypocrisy has been called out. in fact you could never set foot on a stage without drugs. So there you have it, ALL DRUGS. stick your training and diet up your ass, they mean fuck-all.
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Never knew Walczak was a homo.
You learn something knew everyday on Getbig.
Thank you to all who participated.
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Never knew Walczak was a homo.
You learn something knew everyday on Getbig.
Thank you to all who participated.
So was Jekot
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Your horseshit hypocrisy has been called out. in fact you could never set foot on a stage without drugs. So there you have it, ALL DRUGS. stick your training and diet up your ass, they mean fuck-all.
Who are you even talking to?
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Who are you even talking to?
LOL
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Who are you even talking to?
I think he's talking to you.
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I think he's talking to you.
Oh...dudes funny. Pops in, drunk posts and splits for a couple months. You’d think for someone who talks that much shit that lives in my area and knows where I train, he’s be here...lol
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Oh...dudes funny. Pops in, drunk posts and splits for a couple months. You’d think for someone who talks that much shit that lives in my area and knows where I train, he’s be here...lol
I am one of the only ones who talked shit to you, but still showed up. :D :D