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Title: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: Coach is Back! on February 11, 2019, 01:14:03 PM
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: stuckerz on February 11, 2019, 01:23:08 PM
eat a dick  :D :D :D :P :P :P

Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: Coach is Back! on February 11, 2019, 01:24:25 PM
eat a dick  :D :D :D :P :P :P



I predict you'll last about 4 maybe 5 posts...lol
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: stuckerz on February 11, 2019, 01:25:22 PM
I predict you'll last about 4 maybe 5 posts...lol

if I make 5 Ill be more shocked than anyone
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: dan18 on February 11, 2019, 01:26:03 PM
I predict you'll last about 4 maybe 5 posts...lol
just another gimmick no one comes out of the gate like that full on attack...
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Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: dan18 on February 11, 2019, 01:26:39 PM
if I make 5 Ill be more shocked than anyone

clearly off season
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: Coach is Back! on February 11, 2019, 01:28:48 PM
if I make 5 Ill be more shocked than anyone


Come to think of it, you might last until all the mods get off work....lmao.
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: stuckerz on February 11, 2019, 01:29:00 PM
clearly off season

 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: stuckerz on February 11, 2019, 01:30:08 PM
Come to think of it, you might last until all the mods get off work....lmao.

Ive been doing extensive core work, stretching and yoga. Planning for a heavy golf season for the first time in about 15 years. Gonna see if I can get it back to a 7 hc
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: Coach is Back! on February 11, 2019, 01:44:48 PM
Ive been doing extensive core work, stretching and yoga. Planning for a heavy golf season for the first time in about 15 years. Gonna see if I can get it back to a 7 hc

Hazbin texted me the temperature from his car a couple of days ago....-28? Fuck that. lol
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: stuckerz on February 11, 2019, 01:45:49 PM
Hazbin texted me the temperature from his car a couple of days ago....-28? Fuck that. lol

I went to BC to sit in some hot springs for a couple weeks.
The day I left Regina it was minus 51 celcius at 6 am.  minus fifty one

glorious
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: Royalty on February 11, 2019, 02:43:17 PM
if I make 5 Ill be more shocked than anyone


Hi Potato
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: Vince B on February 11, 2019, 05:35:23 PM
Hazbin texted me the temperature from his car a couple of days ago....-28? Fuck that. lol

How is Hazbin doing?

Did you go to Harrison Hot Springs near Chilliwack?

No thanks to those cold Canadian winters!
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: Vince B on February 11, 2019, 06:47:34 PM
I watched the video. You would get fined in Australia for recording a video while driving!

Anyway, you weren't at all convincing re sarcopenia. Why? Late in the video you admitted it was still possible to build muscle in old age.

That means there won't inevitably be sarcopenia if you stimulate hypertrophy in your muscles.

Along with everyone else I believed that in old age it wasn't possible to retain the size that was achieved in our prime. I now know this is false.

It is possible to grow even larger than before and get stronger, too. Sure, it isn't easy and you have to know what you are doing.

One limitation is accumulated injuries. I haven't been able to do heavy bench presses for over 30 years.

About the legs. I don't do any calf work yet my calves are 18 inches cold this morning.

What is difficult is finding the motivation to make the muscles grow. I mean over a period of time. This is a challenge.
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on February 11, 2019, 06:58:44 PM


What it is, is the shits. You may think it won't happen to you. But despite your best efforts, all you can do is maybe slow it down some. Not such an easy task when age itself slows you down and depletes your energy.

My solution is to avoid turning lost muscle into fat. So, as I've lost muscle, I've also lost weight - some of it excess fat. This is mentally harder to do than you'd think. For most of my life I attempted to add weight and muscle. Reversing this pattern is definitely going backwards. I've reached a new low. Today I weighed 169 lbs. My goal was to maintain 175 lbs. Time for dinner. 
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: che on February 11, 2019, 07:06:16 PM



About the legs. I don't do any calf work yet my calves are 18 inches cold this morning.


STFU Vince you are fat
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: Vince B on February 11, 2019, 07:09:30 PM
STFU Vince you are fat


My arms are solid and strong. Please show some respect because I don't take kindly to those who don't, whether in the gym or at a shopping mall.
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: che on February 11, 2019, 07:33:42 PM

My arms are solid and strong. Please show some respect because I don't take kindly to those who don't, whether in the gym or at a shopping mall.
I have great respect for you Vince ,but you are 40 years past your prime ,just admit it  , you are not solid ,  you are fat .
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: Vince B on February 11, 2019, 07:43:29 PM
I have great respect for you Vince ,but you are 40 years past your prime ,just admit it  , you are not solid ,  you are fat .


I beg to differ. Arms and legs don't have much fat on them. I can assure you that staying lean at my age is difficult. Why? Well, meals come with dessert and

I like Pepsi. However, when I train my arms I am getting stronger. You have to agree that fat can't lift weight! I use way more plates than I did decades ago.

I honestly didn't expect to be able to trigger hypertrophy at my age. I will be 77 in September. The workouts are so difficult that I can manage once a week training.

My triceps are larger than when I was competing. There you are. Here is a casual photo so no pump. I admit my waist is too big.  :'(
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: che on February 11, 2019, 07:57:17 PM

I beg to differ. Arms and legs don't have much fat on them. I can assure you that staying lean at my age is difficult. Why? Well, meals come with dessert and

I like Pepsi. However, when I train my arms I am getting stronger. You have to agree that fat can't lift weight! I use way more plates than I did decades ago.

I honestly didn't expect to be able to trigger hypertrophy at my age. I will be 77 in September. The workouts are so difficult that I can manage once a week training.

My triceps are larger than when I was competing. There you are. Here is a casual photo so no pump. I admit my waist is too big.  :'(
C'mon  Vince ,you are 77 years old , you work out once a week ...........never mind you look great
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: Coach is Back! on February 11, 2019, 08:25:23 PM
I watched the video. You would get fined in Australia for recording a video while driving!

Anyway, you weren't at all convincing re sarcopenia. Why? Late in the video you admitted it was still possible to build muscle in old age.

That means there won't inevitably be sarcopenia if you stimulate hypertrophy in your muscles.

Along with everyone else I believed that in old age it wasn't possible to retain the size that was achieved in our prime. I now know this is false.

It is possible to grow even larger than before and get stronger, too. Sure, it isn't easy and you have to know what you are doing.

One limitation is accumulated injuries. I haven't been able to do heavy bench presses for over 30 years.

About the legs. I don't do any calf work yet my calves are 18 inches cold this morning.

What is difficult is finding the motivation to make the muscles grow. I mean over a period of time. This is a challenge.

Sorry Vince, I didn't pull this out of my ass. It's a physiological fact. I really don't think this needs convincing.
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: Coach is Back! on February 11, 2019, 08:33:22 PM
What it is, is the shits. You may think it won't happen to you. But despite your best efforts, all you can do is maybe slow it down some. Not such an easy task when age itself slows you down and depletes your energy.

My solution is to avoid turning lost muscle into fat. So, as I've lost muscle, I've also lost weight - some of it excess fat. This is mentally harder to do than you'd think. For most of my life I attempted to add weight and muscle. Reversing this pattern is definitely going backwards. I've reached a new low. Today I weighed 169 lbs. My goal was to maintain 175 lbs. Time for dinner. 

I agree
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: Dave D on February 11, 2019, 09:07:40 PM

I beg to differ. Arms and legs don't have much fat on them. I can assure you that staying lean at my age is difficult. Why? Well, meals come with dessert and

I like Pepsi. However, when I train my arms I am getting stronger. You have to agree that fat can't lift weight! I use way more plates than I did decades ago.

I honestly didn't expect to be able to trigger hypertrophy at my age. I will be 77 in September. The workouts are so difficult that I can manage once a week training.

My triceps are larger than when I was competing. There you are. Here is a casual photo so no pump. I admit my waist is too big.  :'(

Vince who knew you could build such a physique on an all you can eat diet of dessert and Pepsi?


Are you using trt?
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: Vince B on February 11, 2019, 09:10:40 PM
Sorry Vince, I didn't pull this out of my ass. It's a physiological fact. I really don't think this needs convincing.


There are a few things the scientists got wrong about bodybuilding, exercise and hypertrophy.

Remember when they had an experiment that showed full squats damaged the knees? University staff all believed this

and had athletes do quarter squats and squats to a chair or box. Turns out the sample in that experiment had damaged

knees from playing basketball on tarmac. When it was repeated they didn't find squats to be dangerous. We bodybuilders

knew that all along. So did Olympic weight lifters who seldom got sore knees and they bounced out of deep squat positions.

I don't believe they have it right about sarcopenia. Sure, if you test thousands of old men you will find that they lose size and strength.

Is it inevitable? That depends on what stress or exercise you continue to do. For example, guys who keep up long distant running

or cycling can perform well into old age. Same goes with hypertrophy. If you trigger hypertrophy in a muscle it will respond and

sarcopenia can be avoided or at least delayed for who knows how long.

The third issue is hypertrophy and recovery. Can a muscle be retrained while still growing? Or should you wait until you have recovered and adapted?
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: Vince B on February 11, 2019, 09:12:27 PM
Vince who knew you could build such a physique on an all you can eat diet of dessert and Pepsi?


Are you using trt?


Absolutely not. My hunch is sufficient hormones will be provided by the body if hypertrophy is stimulated.

No hormone replacement therapy for me. No supplements, either.
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: Dave D on February 11, 2019, 09:16:59 PM

There are a few things the scientists got wrong about bodybuilding, exercise and hypertrophy.

Remember when then had an experiment that showed full squats damaged the knees? University staff all believed this

and had athletes do quarter squats and squats to a chair or box. Turns out the sample in that experiment had damaged

knees from playing basketball on tarmac. When it was repeated they didn't find squats to be dangerous. We bodybuilders

knew that all along. So did Olympic weight lifters who seldom got sore knees and they bounced out of deep squat positions.

I don't believe they have it right about sarcopenia. Sure, if you test thousands of old men you will find that they lose size and strength.

Is it inevitable? That depends on what stress or exercise you continue to do. For example, guys who keep up long distant running

or cycling can perform well into old age. Same goes with hypertrophy. If you trigger hypertrophy in a muscle it will respond and

sarcopenia can be avoided or at least delayed for who knows how long.

The third issue is hypertrophy and recovery. Can a muscle be retrained while still growing? Or should you wait until you have recovered and adapted?

Good post.

Absolutely not. My hunch is sufficient hormones will be provided by the body if hypertrophy is stimulated.

No hormone replacement therapy for me. No supplements, either.

What's your hunch based on? I thought it's been determined age and decreased testosterone levels go hand in hand.

Why are you opposed to try? I understand why you avoid supplements, unregulated bunk.

Did you use synthetic testosterone when you competed?
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: tommywishbone on February 11, 2019, 09:24:06 PM
-up the dose of everything

-eat an absolute minimum of 2,500 fairly clean calories every day

-train with weights 3-4x weekly

-have sex on a regular basis... with a girl, a guy... I don't care just have sex

-compete in something- bodybuilding, powerlifting, run 10k's, men's physique. Just compete

-don't measure yourself against other old guys, measure yourself against everybody

That's how to build and hold on to muscle when you're old.  I'm old. 
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: Vince B on February 11, 2019, 09:35:04 PM
Good post.
What's your hunch based on? I thought it's been determined age and decreased testosterone levels go hand in hand.

Why are you opposed to try? I understand why you avoid supplements, unregulated bunk.

Did you use synthetic testosterone when you competed?


In old age we can sustain testosterone levels if we trigger hypertrophy and perhaps have an active sex life.

So why try drugs if the body provides sufficient male hormone, etc.

In the old days we avoided testosterone because of a worry about side effects.

I doubt very many bodybuilders used testosterone in the sixties and seventies.

I certainly never even contemplated using that hormone. Still not interested.
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: myt1 on February 11, 2019, 09:36:34 PM
Good video Coach.  You plan on trying to create a YT following?  Since you have so many clients it'd be great to do some q & a, and demo vids maybe?  I really dislike the vlogging while driving thing YTers do though.  Be safe for the sake of others on the road, and yourself please.

When you got to the part about Beckles, I was pretty sure he competed into his 60's bcuz I remember it being a big deal in the mags when I was in h.s.  I went to wiki, and looks like he stopped at 62....actually won a show at 61 though :o  Obviously, you don't have the advantage of wiki while driving and commenting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Beckles

"Albert "Al" Beckles (born July 14, 1930) is a former IFBB pro bodybuilder and Mr Universe"

"1991   Niagara Falls Pro Invitational IFBB      1st 8)
1991   Night of Champions IFBB      7th
1991   Olympia IFBB      DID NOT PLACE
1991   Pittsburg Pro Invitational IFBB      12th
1991   San Jose Pro Invitational IFBB      5th
1992   Chicago Pro Invitational IFBB      16th
1992   Niagara Falls Pro Invitational IFBB      8th"
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: myt1 on February 11, 2019, 09:39:06 PM

In old age we can sustain testosterone levels if we trigger hypertrophy and perhaps have an active sex life.

So why try drugs if the body provides sufficient male hormone, etc.

In the old days we avoided testosterone because of a worry about side effects.

I doubt very many bodybuilders used testosterone in the sixties and seventies.

I certainly never even contemplated using that hormone. Still not interested.


Have you been tested to know if your theories are correct, so that you know you actually do not have Low-T levels?
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: karasan on February 11, 2019, 09:53:38 PM
Good video Coach.  You plan on trying to create a YT following?  Since you have so many clients it'd be great to do some q & a, and demo vids maybe?  I really dislike the vlogging while driving thing YTers do though.  Be safe for the sake of others on the road, and yourself please.

When you got to the part about Beckles, I was pretty sure he competed into his 60's bcuz I remember it being a big deal in the mags when I was in h.s.  I went to wiki, and looks like he stopped at 62....actually won a show at 61 though :o  Obviously, you don't have the advantage of wiki while driving and commenting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Beckles

"Albert "Al" Beckles (born July 14, 1930) is a former IFBB pro bodybuilder and Mr Universe"

"1991   Niagara Falls Pro Invitational IFBB      1st 8)
1991   Night of Champions IFBB      7th
1991   Olympia IFBB      DID NOT PLACE
1991   Pittsburg Pro Invitational IFBB      12th
1991   San Jose Pro Invitational IFBB      5th
1992   Chicago Pro Invitational IFBB      16th
1992   Niagara Falls Pro Invitational IFBB      8th"

Probably he actually born in 1938
He and Weider magazines used his age for marketing (bbing as fountain of youth) which is not wrong if exercised in moderation.
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: Coach is Back! on February 11, 2019, 10:00:58 PM
Good video Coach.  You plan on trying to create a YT following?  Since you have so many clients it'd be great to do some q & a, and demo vids maybe?  I really dislike the vlogging while driving thing YTers do though.  Be safe for the sake of others on the road, and yourself please.

When you got to the part about Beckles, I was pretty sure he competed into his 60's bcuz I remember it being a big deal in the mags when I was in h.s.  I went to wiki, and looks like he stopped at 62....actually won a show at 61 though :o  Obviously, you don't have the advantage of wiki while driving and commenting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Beckles

"Albert "Al" Beckles (born July 14, 1930) is a former IFBB pro bodybuilder and Mr Universe"

"1991   Niagara Falls Pro Invitational IFBB      1st 8)
1991   Night of Champions IFBB      7th
1991   Olympia IFBB      DID NOT PLACE
1991   Pittsburg Pro Invitational IFBB      12th
1991   San Jose Pro Invitational IFBB      5th
1992   Chicago Pro Invitational IFBB      16th
1992   Niagara Falls Pro Invitational IFBB      8th"


Thanks, as far as the following, if it happens it happens. Instagram is trying to take over YouTube by way of IGTV, they just made the platform more follower friendly. Now, when you make an IGTV post it goes to your timeline to attract a bigger following or at the very least to be more visible. The videos have to be 10min or less. I put the overtraining video up yesterday on IGTV and so far has almost 1300 views with quite a bit of interaction
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: Vince B on February 11, 2019, 10:05:45 PM
Have you been tested to know if your theories are correct, so that you know you actually do not have Low-T levels?

No medical tests. However, hair growth on chest and back suggest possible high hormone levels. Curses that hair grows everywhere but on the top of the head!
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: Kwon on February 11, 2019, 10:19:33 PM
if I make 5 Ill be more shocked than anyone


Love the Potentate!
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: Coach is Back! on February 11, 2019, 10:27:16 PM
No medical tests. However, hair growth on chest and back suggest possible high hormone levels. Curses that hair grows everywhere but on the top of the head!

You’re 77 years old. Out of all seriousness I would be surprised if your levels were above 90-100
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: Conker on February 12, 2019, 02:21:33 AM
so a video telling us that as you get older you will naturally lose muscle and strength. this is ground breaking stuff! i predict at least 17 views  :D
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: Powerlift66 on February 12, 2019, 02:37:26 AM
Just being healthy and alive at 77 is great, plus still training, etc.
Good for you Vince!
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 12, 2019, 04:17:15 AM

There are a few things the scientists got wrong about bodybuilding, exercise and hypertrophy.

Remember when they had an experiment that showed full squats damaged the knees? University staff all believed this

and had athletes do quarter squats and squats to a chair or box. Turns out the sample in that experiment had damaged

knees from playing basketball on tarmac. When it was repeated they didn't find squats to be dangerous. We bodybuilders

knew that all along. So did Olympic weight lifters who seldom got sore knees and they bounced out of deep squat positions.

I don't believe they have it right about sarcopenia. Sure, if you test thousands of old men you will find that they lose size and strength.

Is it inevitable? That depends on what stress or exercise you continue to do. For example, guys who keep up long distant running

or cycling can perform well into old age. Same goes with hypertrophy. If you trigger hypertrophy in a muscle it will respond and

sarcopenia can be avoided or at least delayed for who knows how long.

The third issue is hypertrophy and recovery. Can a muscle be retrained while still growing? Or should you wait until you have recovered and adapted?
There is so much wrong with what you've mentioned in this thread:
1) If you got down to the same bodyfat % today you had for your Mr. Canada win in the 1970's you'd probably have 11 inch arms.

2)  Olympic weightlifting doesn't damage knees?  What planet do you live on?  Look at practically every Olympic lifter over 40 or even 30 and their knees, hips, lower back, shoulders and elbows are wrecked.  Most Eastern European lifters who won medals in the 70's and 80's (Bulgarians, Turks, Soviets, East Germans, etc) were shot by age 25.

3) No one continuously makes muscular gains as they age.  NO ONE!  I've explained before how most lifters, bodybuilders and fitness enthusiasts quit training, get fat and then get back in shape and think they have gained when all they did was get back in shape.  If you continued making gains since you started training you would be bigger than The Incredible Hulk and lifting millions of pounds in the lifts.

Stop the delusion Vince. 
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: pellius on February 12, 2019, 02:38:43 PM

In old age we can sustain testosterone levels if we trigger hypertrophy and perhaps have an active sex life.

So why try drugs if the body provides sufficient male hormone, etc.

In the old days we avoided testosterone because of a worry about side effects.

I doubt very many bodybuilders used testosterone in the sixties and seventies.

I certainly never even contemplated using that hormone. Still not interested.


Because your body doesn't. A scientifically proven fact. Aging is a very real unavoidable process. Just look at yourself compared to the 1970s. Look at your face, your hair, that huge gut.

And you call Goodrum delusional.
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: peroni on February 12, 2019, 02:45:00 PM
I predict you'll last about 4 maybe 5 posts...lol

Perhaps he has a job that keeps him busy so he can't post 50,000 times on a single forum???
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: pellius on February 12, 2019, 02:49:47 PM
No medical tests. However, hair growth on chest and back suggest possible high hormone levels. Curses that hair grows everywhere but on the top of the head!

Another example of your ignorance. I don't have a shred of hair on my back or chest and have way more testosterone than you. Losing hair on your head and getting them on your chest, back, nose, and ears is not a sign of high testosterone. It's you growing old.
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: pellius on February 12, 2019, 02:52:25 PM
Perhaps he has a job that keeps him busy so he can't post 50,000 times on a single forum???

Josh hasn't worked in decades. He lives off people like Coach who has his money confiscated to support dead best parasites like him.
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: myt1 on February 12, 2019, 02:57:57 PM
Thanks, as far as the following, if it happens it happens. Instagram is trying to take over YouTube by way of IGTV, they just made the platform more follower friendly. Now, when you make an IGTV post it goes to your timeline to attract a bigger following or at the very least to be more visible. The videos have to be 10min or less. I put the overtraining video up yesterday on IGTV and so far has almost 1300 views with quite a bit of interaction

I don't have an IG account.  If we can watch it without an account post a link, I'll watch.

YT is turning into a pile of shit.  If I had the money and knowledge of technology needed, I'd start a platform called "ReelTube"  spelled reel to reference film, but with the alternate meaning of keeping it real with no bullshit biased algorithms.  You want conservative, liberal, leftist, anti-white, pro-white......whatever, you get it and nothing is pushed on you.  Create communities/categories that make info easy to find so that people don't have to sit around on message boards to learn about some great channel they never knew existed until some guy named Megaladon posts it (good stuff Mega..more please).  No porn or beheading type shit, or money scams allowed would be the only rules along with copyright infringement obviously.  No demonetization for anything other than breaking those rules.  YT would be dead within a year.

P.S. If someone here is rich, and pulls off that idea with that name....I want my f'n cut! 8)
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: myt1 on February 12, 2019, 03:17:50 PM
Just being healthy and alive at 77 is great, plus still training, etc.
Good for you Vince!


True dat.  As much as I hurt, and with the health issues I have, I doubt I'll see 77 let alone working out.  X2 Good for you Vince!

No medical tests. However, hair growth on chest and back suggest possible high hormone levels. Curses that hair grows everywhere but on the top of the head!

Hair growth is not indicative of high T levels at all.  As someone said they have little body hair, and many others that have naturally high or elevated levels from AAS aren't hairy either.  What your talking of is genetic and driven by DHT levels more than anything else.




3) No one continuously makes muscular gains as they age.  NO ONE!  I've explained before how most lifters, bodybuilders and fitness enthusiasts quit training, get fat and then get back in shape and think they have gained when all they did was get back in shape.  If you continued making gains since you started training you would be bigger than The Incredible Hulk and lifting millions of pounds in the lifts.


Humble, now I understand more of how you came to post what you did in the 45 and older thread that I disagreed with.  This makes some sense to me...especially the grow-shrink-grow-shrink cycle.  I've definitely done that due to seasons, health, and injury.  That being said I started at 125 around 16 and was about 160-165 by 19.  So yeah, huge jump, but I had little definition at 160 then.  I focused on getting from about 17% to 12% before trying to build again, and by 28 or 29 which was my biggest and best look I was 197 at 8.5-10% depending on who measured me with the calipers.  Killed it at a buffet during that time just so I could say I broke the 200 mark (203) ;D

So even though there was bulking, cutting, layoff periods in there(all things I believe in doing), I continued to grow and get leaner for another 10-11 years beyond the 1-2 yr window you suggest.
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 13, 2019, 03:30:09 AM
True dat.  As much as I hurt, and with the health issues I have, I doubt I'll see 77 let alone working out.  X2 Good for you Vince!

Hair growth is not indicative of high T levels at all.  As someone said they have little body hair, and many others that have naturally high or elevated levels from AAS aren't hairy either.  What your talking of is genetic and driven by DHT levels more than anything else.

Humble, now I understand more of how you came to post what you did in the 45 and older thread that I disagreed with.  This makes some sense to me...especially the grow-shrink-grow-shrink cycle.  I've definitely done that due to seasons, health, and injury.  That being said I started at 125 around 16 and was about 160-165 by 19.  So yeah, huge jump, but I had little definition at 160 then.  I focused on getting from about 17% to 12% before trying to build again, and by 28 or 29 which was my biggest and best look I was 197 at 8.5-10% depending on who measured me with the calipers.  Killed it at a buffet during that time just so I could say I broke the 200 mark (203) ;D

So even though there was bulking, cutting, layoff periods in there(all things I believe in doing), I continued to grow and get leaner for another 10-11 years beyond the 1-2 yr window you suggest.
Just remember that the gains you made as a teen were not all because of weight training but because of growing into adulthood which would have happened if you never trained.  The only way a person can actually know specifically how much they gained from weight training would be to start weight training for the first time as a full grown adult while measuring bodyfat levels along the way.  My guess is most people who train naturally only gain 10 to 20 pounds of muscle total from weight training.
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on February 14, 2019, 06:55:06 PM

I beg to differ. Arms and legs don't have much fat on them. I can assure you that staying lean at my age is difficult. Why? Well, meals come with dessert and

I like Pepsi.
 :'(

Pepsi is poison! My late wife drank gallons of diet Pepsi. In my opinion, it shortened her life. Also, I suspect there is something in it that is addictive. Try unsweetened ice tea instead.
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: Vince B on February 14, 2019, 08:18:58 PM
Pepsi and Coke are two brands that are similar and perhaps 'addictive'. At least there is sugar in these drinks. The diet drinks are another thing. Nothing of value except water. I sometimes have bottled water if it is cold.

Having an opinion about diet drinks shortening a partner's life would need some supporting research before I will accept that theory.
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: myt1 on February 14, 2019, 09:42:29 PM
Just remember that the gains you made as a teen were not all because of weight training but because of growing into adulthood which would have happened if you never trained.  The only way a person can actually know specifically how much they gained from weight training would be to start weight training for the first time as a full grown adult while measuring bodyfat levels along the way.  My guess is most people who train naturally only gain 10 to 20 pounds of muscle total from weight training.

I'm a damn midget bro.  ;D I started "growing into adulthood" at 12-13, and it stopped at 15.  Hence, me taking up weight training.  If I wasn't going to grow taller, I figured I might as well grow wider.

I get your true point, btw.  ;)

I disagree on the 10-20lb figure though.  I was a skinny-chubby 125 b4 I started at 16...i'd guess 20-22% bf .  Adulthood bone and naturally occurring muscle density growth likely added 30lbs (I feel I'm being generous with that) which would put me at 155 if I never lifted.  I'm stocky-chubby currently....19% bf with calipers, and weigh 192-194 each morning.  So that's close to a 40lb difference, 20-30 more than your suggested range.

Before you come back at me with "You've said you've been on trt for about 15 yrs", I'll just tell ya while keeping personal stuff personal,... That's true, but it's been on and off (it does get old, and there's a lot of other things in play with my health that has 0 to do with bbing or AAS, as well as a serious accident.....two 3 yr stretches of doing no workouts)  That's why I said I agreed with you about the shrink-grow cycle thing you talked about.  It definitely applies to me although not by choice as often as I'd have picked.  Also, out of that 15 years, I had one 1 yr segment where I trained hard and ate right consistently, and then another 10 month stretch where I did so as well.   I started back in the gym only 2 months ago, and TRT 3 months ago and weighed 199-204 in the mornings.  So trt does not make the changes people might think it does.  I'm just less depressed, angry/aggravated, and tired.
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: myt1 on February 14, 2019, 10:08:00 PM
Pepsi is poison! My late wife drank gallons of diet Pepsi. In my opinion, it shortened her life. Also, I suspect there is something in it that is addictive. Try unsweetened ice tea instead.

I'd totally agree with you based on my experience with someone I was close to:

My manager at one job would bring in a 12 pack of diet coke every day.  She would wipe it out in 6-8 hours...if gone b4 she was to leave, she'd go to the food court and get a huge styro cup from the chinese place in the food court...probably 44-56oz size. I was floored after the first week working with her. 

Her mood didn't change at all.  Very cool lady.  Funny, calm, and spoke at a normal rate......you'd think with that amount of caffeine she'd be going crazy, but nope.  As I got to get more comfortable with her and know her better, I started giving her shit about drinking that much especially since she would rarely eat even one meal while there.  That's when I really freaked out, as she informed me she would have 2-3 cups of coffee in the morning with some toast(she'd often get a large plain coffee or two while at work as well), and that when she got home she'd have another 6-8 cans of diet coke while cooking dinner and leading until bed.  From dinner time to bed time her and her husband would split a 12 pack or a 24 pack of miller lite as well.  Dinner was her only real and consistent meal.  There's two things that will floor on top of that.  1) The job was me being assistant manager, and her the manager of a health food and supplement store 2) she was overweight, and that's when twin labs started selling metabolift and then ripped fuel.....she alternate between those two on top of all that other caffeine.  Never known any like her as a person, but also never anyone that could handle that much caffeine and then do ripped fuel which had ephedra to boot......she also got a lot of nicotine via a pack+ a day of marlboro menthols :o

She got colon cancer.  I've tried to track her down at different times over the years as we became very close....she was like a mother and great friend to me, but she does not come up so I'm thinking it got her. :(
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: IroNat on February 15, 2019, 04:22:00 AM
I'd totally agree with you based on my experience with someone I was close to:

My manager at one job would bring in a 12 pack of diet coke every day.  She would wipe it out in 6-8 hours...if gone b4 she was to leave, she'd go to the food court and get a huge styro cup from the chinese place in the food court...probably 44-56oz size. I was floored after the first week working with her. 

Her mood didn't change at all.  Very cool lady.  Funny, calm, and spoke at a normal rate......you'd think with that amount of caffeine she'd be going crazy, but nope.  As I got to get more comfortable with her and know her better, I started giving her shit about drinking that much especially since she would rarely eat even one meal while there.  That's when I really freaked out, as she informed me she would have 2-3 cups of coffee in the morning with some toast(she'd often get a large plain coffee or two while at work as well), and that when she got home she'd have another 6-8 cans of diet coke while cooking dinner and leading until bed.  From dinner time to bed time her and her husband would split a 12 pack or a 24 pack of miller lite as well.  Dinner was her only real and consistent meal.  There's two things that will floor on top of that.  1) The job was me being assistant manager, and her the manager of a health food and supplement store 2) she was overweight, and that's when twin labs started selling metabolift and then ripped fuel.....she alternate between those two on top of all that other caffeine.  Never known any like her as a person, but also never anyone that could handle that much caffeine and then do ripped fuel which had ephedra to boot......she also got a lot of nicotine via a pack+ a day of marlboro menthols :o

She got colon cancer.  I've tried to track her down at different times over the years as we became very close....she was like a mother and great friend to me, but she does not come up so I'm thinking it got her. :(

The human body is very resilient.

She must have had good genes too.
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: karasan on February 15, 2019, 07:26:05 AM
The human body is very resilient.

She must have had good genes too.
Amen to that, my brother ate fastfood every single day, smoke one and half pack a day, bottles of “diet”coke, yo-yo diets, no exercise at all.
Died in his sleep at 38 from massive cardiac attack, I wouldn’t last that long :(
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: usmcdevildoc on February 15, 2019, 08:16:23 AM

I beg to differ. Arms and legs don't have much fat on them. I can assure you that staying lean at my age is difficult. Why? Well, meals come with dessert and

I like Pepsi. However, when I train my arms I am getting stronger. You have to agree that fat can't lift weight! I use way more plates than I did decades ago.

I honestly didn't expect to be able to trigger hypertrophy at my age. I will be 77 in September. The workouts are so difficult that I can manage once a week training.

My triceps are larger than when I was competing. There you are. Here is a casual photo so no pump. I admit my waist is too big.  :'(


Old fuck. The answer is anti-myostatin.
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: myt1 on February 15, 2019, 10:33:02 AM
The human body is very resilient.

She must have had good genes too.

Did you read the last line that I separated from all of that?

Not sure if she's still around, but there's still some truth to your post despite that fact she did end up with colon cancer, and has likely passed. 

The fact that she was healthy til her mid 40's with all those bad habits is pretty astonishing.
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: IroNat on February 15, 2019, 11:18:40 AM
Did you read the last line that I separated from all of that?

Not sure if she's still around, but there's still some truth to your post despite that fact she did end up with colon cancer, and has likely passed. 

The fact that she was healthy til her mid 40's with all those bad habits is pretty astonishing.

Yes, but the colon cancer might have been unrelated to her unhealthy lifestyle.

She might have died from it no matter what.
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on February 15, 2019, 06:36:17 PM
I'd totally agree with you based on my experience with someone I was close to:

My manager at one job would bring in a 12 pack of diet coke every day.  She would wipe it out in 6-8 hours...if gone b4 she was to leave, she'd go to the food court and get a huge styro cup from the chinese place in the food court...probably 44-56oz size. I was floored after the first week working with her. 

Her mood didn't change at all.  Very cool lady.  Funny, calm, and spoke at a normal rate......you'd think with that amount of caffeine she'd be going crazy, but nope.  As I got to get more comfortable with her and know her better, I started giving her shit about drinking that much especially since she would rarely eat even one meal while there.  That's when I really freaked out, as she informed me she would have 2-3 cups of coffee in the morning with some toast(she'd often get a large plain coffee or two while at work as well), and that when she got home she'd have another 6-8 cans of diet coke while cooking dinner and leading until bed.  From dinner time to bed time her and her husband would split a 12 pack or a 24 pack of miller lite as well.  Dinner was her only real and consistent meal.  There's two things that will floor on top of that.  1) The job was me being assistant manager, and her the manager of a health food and supplement store 2) she was overweight, and that's when twin labs started selling metabolift and then ripped fuel.....she alternate between those two on top of all that other caffeine.  Never known any like her as a person, but also never anyone that could handle that much caffeine and then do ripped fuel which had ephedra to boot......she also got a lot of nicotine via a pack+ a day of marlboro menthols :o

She got colon cancer.  I've tried to track her down at different times over the years as we became very close....she was like a mother and great friend to me, but she does not come up so I'm thinking it got her. :(

It is amazing how much abuse many folks bodies can take and still keep going. My mom was a chain-smoker. She started smoking at 16. She managed to get to 61 before she died from emphysema. My wife mostly ignored her health issues for decades before it became impossible to do. And by then, everything was breaking down. When she passed the only properly functioning organ was her liver. Type II diabetes, especially when not managed beaks everything else down.

I don't think my wife's addiction to Pepsi had anything to do with a caffeine dependency. She just thought because it was a diet drink, it wouldn't hurt her.   
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: myt1 on February 15, 2019, 09:13:06 PM
It is amazing how much abuse many folks bodies can take and still keep going. My mom was a chain-smoker. She started smoking at 16. She managed to get to 61 before she died from emphysema. My wife mostly ignored her health issues for decades before it became impossible to do. And by then, everything was breaking down. When she passed the only properly functioning organ was her liver. Type II diabetes, especially when not managed beaks everything else down.

I don't think my wife's addiction to Pepsi had anything to do with a caffeine dependency. She just thought because it was a diet drink, it wouldn't hurt her.  

Yeah, it is amazing.  I've done a lot of bad things for my body over the years.  Some for long periods of time.  A while back a girl at the place I tan thought I was around her age (30).  I laughed my ass off, and told her to look at my membership info as she didn't believe me when I told her how old I was turning a few days later.  She said, that's crazy you must have never drank or smoked or done any drugs.  I'm not gonna type all my personal shit on here, but I went on down the list for her to shock her some more.  Turns out even though she looks 20-22, she's had quite the past as well.

I got carded for just chew up until probably 36-38 yrs old.  Wish my insides were half as good as what people think of my age by my appearance.
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: myt1 on February 15, 2019, 09:22:36 PM
Yes, but the colon cancer might have been unrelated to her unhealthy lifestyle.

She might have died from it no matter what.

That's true IroNat.

My dad hasn't smoked and rarely drank since he was probably about 28-30.  Around 66 he got the cancer bug.  Not lungs or mouth, but he asked the dr. if his smoking while in the service in Nam and into his 20's could have been the reason.  The dr. said it was unlikely, and asked him about our family background and his diet.  No one on his side of the family has ever had cancer. 

My dad's diet wasn't great, but not terrible.  He did however have a thing for hot dogs.  Every night he'd get home from work two hot dogs and some chips on the side if my mom hadn't cooked....which was the majority of the time.  Dr. said the likely culprit was the nitrates from the hot dogs and deli meats he ate since there was no family history.

And of course generation stubborn guy that he is, the fucker still eats hot dogs and deli meat more than anything else.
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on February 16, 2019, 02:04:49 PM
Yeah, it is amazing.  I've done a lot of bad things for my body over the years.  Some for long periods of time.  A while back a girl at the place I tan thought I was around her age (30).  I laughed my ass off, and told her to look at my membership info as she didn't believe me when I told her how old I was turning a few days later.  She said, that's crazy you must have never drank or smoked or done any drugs.  I'm not gonna type all my personal shit on here, but I went on down the list for her to shock her some more.  Turns out even though she looks 20-22, she's had quite the past as well.

I got carded for just chew up until probably 36-38 yrs old.  Wish my insides were half as good as what people think of my age by my appearance.

Have you ever tried red light therapy? It's offered at some tanning salons. Supposedly, the process offers many health benefits. I does not make you more tan. For that you have to use a tanning bed or my preference, stand up tanning.

https://www.healthline.com/health/red-light-therapy


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Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on February 16, 2019, 02:08:23 PM
That's true IroNat.

My dad hasn't smoked and rarely drank since he was probably about 28-30.  Around 66 he got the cancer bug.  Not lungs or mouth, but he asked the dr. if his smoking while in the service in Nam and into his 20's could have been the reason.  The dr. said it was unlikely, and asked him about our family background and his diet.  No one on his side of the family has ever had cancer.  

My dad's diet wasn't great, but not terrible.  He did however have a thing for hot dogs.  Every night he'd get home from work two hot dogs and some chips on the side if my mom hadn't cooked....which was the majority of the time.  Dr. said the likely culprit was the nitrates from the hot dogs and deli meats he ate since there was no family history.

And of course generation stubborn guy that he is, the fucker still eats hot dogs and deli meat more than anything else.

Some people are prone to cancer. It's possible that it's genetics more so than lifestyle choices. However the statistics indicate that this is true for only about 10% of folks who have cancer.
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: myt1 on February 16, 2019, 04:47:50 PM
Have you ever tried red light therapy? It's offered at some tanning salons. Supposedly, the process offers many health benefits. I does not make you more tan. For that you have to use a tanning bed or my preference, stand up tanning.

https://www.healthline.com/health/red-light-therapy


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I have heard and red about it.  Apparently you can buy small one's for your desktop IIRC.  I've never asked, but I've never seen the place I go advertise it there or via emails I get so I doubt they have it.

There are some gyms here that have it though.
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: IroNat on February 17, 2019, 03:27:47 AM
Yeah, it is amazing.  I've done a lot of bad things for my body over the years.  Some for long periods of time.  A while back a girl at the place I tan thought I was around her age (30).  I laughed my ass off, and told her to look at my membership info as she didn't believe me when I told her how old I was turning a few days later.  She said, that's crazy you must have never drank or smoked or done any drugs.  I'm not gonna type all my personal shit on here, but I went on down the list for her to shock her some more.  Turns out even though she looks 20-22, she's had quite the past as well.

I got carded for just chew up until probably 36-38 yrs old.  Wish my insides were half as good as what people think of my age by my appearance.

She was hitting on you, dude.

Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: IroNat on February 17, 2019, 03:29:30 AM
UV tanning is not the wisest thing to do (skin cancer).  Plus it ages your skin.

Is that what you guys do or are you getting spray tans?
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: myt1 on February 17, 2019, 06:11:23 PM
She was hitting on you, dude.



I was trying to be concise for a change (I can't win on here ;D)...there's bit more to the story. That whole conversation came about because she was helping me sign up for a rewards program, and while typing I saw the rock on her finger.  Like I said, I thought she was early 20's, and I asked her "do you mind if I ask how old you are?"  she asked "why?" and I said "cuz you seem really young to be engaged."  She laughed and told me she was 30.  More conversation took place, and something made me drop the old man phrase "wait til you get to be my age" which made her look up from typing, and look me up and down to ask how old I was.  And the rest happened from there.  So my thought is she might have been being bit polite saying she thought I was 30, since I complimented her.  But she did double takes multiple times, that I believe she legit thought I was at least 10 yrs younger than I am, and since I'm nowhere near in the shape I used to be currently it made me feel like a rock star and was good motivation to keep working at "getting back to me." :D

And yeah, there's a definite spark there that even her co-worker has said she noticed.  But.....she has a ring.  I've played in another man's backyard b4 knowing it was wrong and that being something I'm totally opposed to but justified it by reminding myself that every first move from asking to go for drinks to the first "cum all over me" was initiated by her. I got my heart stomped on, and rightfully so while going against my gut and morals.  Would never do again, even though the sex was insane.  Now if I go in to tan and that ring is not there for more than one visit.....you bet your ass it's game on IroNat!!!
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: Primemuscle on February 18, 2019, 01:29:55 AM
UV tanning is not the wisest thing to do (skin cancer).  Plus it ages your skin.

Is that what you guys do or are you getting spray tans?

I tried the spray tan which ended up looking good for a day or so before turning orange. I can get them for no additional cost as part of my "Platinum" package. Tanning beds and tanning in the sun can both be damaging to the skin, including increasing the risk of skin cancer. The lighter complected someone is the greater the possibility damage happening. If you are going to tan take your normal skin tone into consideration. When you see people who look like fried bacon, you can bet they are over tanning. Some folks argue that a little exposure elevates your mood and increases your vitamin D levels which often drop considerably in the winter months. If you don't want to tan you can take a vitamin D supplement.
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: IroNat on February 18, 2019, 03:34:08 AM
I tried the spray tan which ended up looking good for a day or so before turning orange. I can get them for no additional cost as part of my "Platinum" package. Tanning beds and tanning in the sun can both be damaging to the skin, including increasing the risk of skin cancer. The lighter complected someone is the greater the possibility damage happening. If you are going to tan take your normal skin tone into consideration. When you see people who look like fried bacon, you can bet they are over tanning. Some folks argue that a little exposure elevates your mood and increases your vitamin D levels which often drop considerably in the winter months. If you don't want to tan you can take a vitamin D supplement.

Good advices.

Moderation in all things.
Title: Re: Sarcopenia - Age Related Muscle Loss
Post by: falco on February 18, 2019, 06:19:57 AM
Interesting video regarding how to keep muscles young, in mice at least: