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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: ProudVirgin69 on March 21, 2019, 08:53:45 AM
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I know they kind of fell out of favor a little while back, with the "whole foods are superior" argument. I had bought into that too but protein powders are just so damn convenient. It's kinda hard to consistently get a lot of protein in without protein shakes. All that cooking, cleaning, grocery shopping, lugging around tupperwares ... no thanks.
Right now I get about 100g of protein from shakes every day. 2 shakes w 2 scoops a piece. Add to that some eggs and a little bit of meat and I'm right at about 200g protein.
What about the rest of Getbig?
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nope
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I unironically use the muscle tech one
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Never really liked protein powders. If you're only doing it for convenience then surly protein bars would be the way to go.
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Needing all that protein is BS.
It's nonsense.
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i use one to thicken my milk when i have weetabix
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Why drink something that you have no clue whats actually in it?
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I unironically use the muscle tech one
Dat dere?
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I get about a 1/3 from protein powders. Usually in the morning, and right after lifting mixed with milk. I don't like having a heavy meal first thing in the morning, so it works well that way. One thing I don't bother with is chasing the newest most fancy ones, I just buy on taste, manufacturer, and cost.
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Not had any for years,also make no effort whatsoever regarding protein intake numbers although like meat and milk so do get some but nowhere near the recommended amounts
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Needing all that protein is BS.
It's nonsense.
This. Wasted thousands of dollars buying fart powder when I was young. Could have just eaten an extra hamburger for dinner. :-[
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Yep, absolutely necessary when you can’t get all of your meals in.
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Same jug has been under my counter for many years. When I want a shake I mainly do something like:
Milk
Couple raw eggs
Olive oil
blueberries
Oatmeal powder I grind in the coffee grinder (from real oats)
Flax seeds
Wheat germ
Creatine (since I got that shit in the cupboard also)
Teddy (Natty) peanut butter
Scoop of frozen yogurt to have it like a milkshake.
Dont really need the powders to have a good shake w/ 20+ grams of protein.
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Yep, absolutely necessary when you can’t get all of your meals in.
When you're competing it's different as you are spreading out your meals to 6 or 8 feedings.
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I never used to, but I'm using a lot of whey protein lately and also some high-protein meal replacement shakes.
It's hard to get the protein up with regular food and feels heavier on my digestion to eat that much solid food.
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I never used to, but I'm using a lot of whey protein lately and also some high-protein meal replacement shakes.
It's hard to get the protein up with regular food and feels heavier on my digestion to eat that much solid food.
Why do you need a high protein diet?
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Why do you need a high protein diet?
For expensive piss and ammonia smelling sweat...
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Needing all that protein is BS.
It's nonsense.
How much protein do you think is needed?
I go for 200g or so, which I think is reasonable. I've tried doing less, like 75-100g/day but it impacted my recovery and growth.
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Protein Isolate is the only "sports nutrition" supplement I buy.
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Wasted thousands of dollars buying fart powder when I was young. Could have just eaten an extra hamburger for dinner. :-[
Same here. What a racket.
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Why do you need a high protein diet?
I never used to, but I noticed a difference since I started increasing my protein.
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As bullshit as protein powders are, REAL food is bullshit too. "All natural" with all kinds of preservatives and chemicals, "whole wheat" which is wheat flour, stripped of all good fiber and nurtrients, the whole organic scam, "made with real chicken"(is it chicken?)
Unless you seriously are buying all raw food and preparing and cooking it(even then its not certain), dont think whatever youre eating is any less bullshit than a protein powder.
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Yes.
In all those years at Golds Gym Venice, being right there in the mix. Seeing every bodybuilder who was ever anybody...
Not one single bodybuilder I ever knew, and I knew all of them... did not use protein sups.
They work. Protein drinks, shakes, powders work.
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Needing all that protein is BS.
It's nonsense.
Exactly.No one needs more than 100 grams a day.maybe a juiced 300lber might use 150 but that’s it.All which should be got from food.
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contest season = yes since my prep coach has me drink them -
off season = every blue moon when I want to increase my cals, i will go to a smoothie shop and load up on cals (add in oreos too)
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I use a scoop of isolate after training and before bed. I don't think it will make you huge but do believe it makes a difference in protein uptake and recovery
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protein powder is for lazy, mentally ill tard types.
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Use to practically live on them ( esp metrx and Gainers Fuel 1000) now... couple times a week (maybe?)
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Protein powder is food. That's all it is.
It is a convenient way to eat food. Nothing wrong with that.
However, there is no magic in it for growing muscle.
The magic is Vitamin S. That's the magic.
Take away Vitamin S and your favorite top bodybuilder turns back into Clark Kent.
Don't believe the BS about supplements which sole purpose is to lighten your wallet.
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Real food has a face and a Mother....... not a 10 year “shelf life”
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This stuff is incredible. The company diligently researched and reproduced the original Rheo Blair milk and egg protein powder
This is the protein that Arnold was using, behind the scenes.
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Real food has a face and a Mother....... not a 10 year “shelf life”
The face of "real food" was Richardo pip and it was pretty much dehydrated rice a d yams
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This stuff is incredible. The company diligently researched and reproduced the original Rheo Blair milk and egg protein powder
This is the protein that Arnold was using, behind the scenes.
He did get free protein supps from Weider.
Arnold used lots of Vitamin S.
Rheo Blair was a salesman or a con man depending on your preference. Nowadays new con men are trying sell the same crap.
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This stuff is incredible. The company diligently researched and reproduced the original Rheo Blair milk and egg protein powder
This is the protein that Arnold was using, behind the scenes.
Why not throw milk and eggs in a blender and drink it?
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Why not throw milk and eggs in a blender and drink it?
I am a big whole egg person - there is a study that shows drinking eggs (uncooked) the protein absorption is way less?
The Journal of Nutrition, found that the availability of egg protein is 91% with cooked eggs and only 50% with raw eggs
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I am a big whole egg person - there is a study that shows drinking eggs (uncooked) the protein absorption is way less?
The Journal of Nutrition, found that the availability of egg protein is 91% with cooked eggs and only 50% with raw eggs
Either way at least you know you are absolutely positively getting protein, not some powder with god knows whats in it. I know Franco Columbo was big on raw eggs, I do 2-3 raw eggs a day lately, haven't gotten salmonella yet.
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Either way at least you know you are absolutely positively getting protein, not some powder with god knows whats in it. I know Franco Columbo was big on raw eggs, I do 2-3 raw eggs a day lately, haven't gotten salmonella yet.
I am huge on raw eggs - I follow vince gironda methods - you do as well (the amount of eggs and meat)
I am not worried about salmonella but wondering about absorption
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1 cup of egg whites = 26 g = better absorption than powder = 1 scoop of protein powder
Pay no attention to Species, GAF (chris jones), Ghost, Shredz, jay culter special BS and all that other bullshit, just do egg whites from a carton.
Someone else can do the monthly cost comparison.
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I use it sparingly. I go through about one tub of Beverly International a year. 90% of it is late night snacking when I want a dessert, I will do 1.5 scoops of powder mixed in with one tub of Zero Carb Zero Fat yogurt to make a nice chocolate pudding.
The other 10% is what I use to make homemade snack bars to take with me when I fly off on a travel/photo gig. Next month I will spend 1 week in Singapore and 1 week in Australia on a gig and the plane flight from Ft Lauderdale to Singapore is 30 hours total. I will make up 10 protein bars - 5 for flight over, 5 for flight back (kept in fridge of course). I take that plus 1/2 of a diuretic on the plane and never end up bloated or with stomach problems. Airline/airport food will give you the runs and if you go with other crappy protein bars, you get constipated. I pick through the food on the flight and never eat snacks.
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Also, I tried the MuscleEgg.com chocolate flavor and it is exactly like drinking chocolate milk. A gallon is $50. You get 16 servings. (1 cup per serving). This is a little over $3 per serving.
However, you can buy liquid egg whites and mix 1 cup of them with 1/4 cup 1% chocolate milk and it tastes EXACTLY the same. For only $1 per serving. I use this a lot now, at least twice a day and unlike protein powder in the past, it doesn't bloat me or give me gas.
The absorbtion factor I can't speak on as I don't know about it.
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Also, I tried the MuscleEgg.com chocolate flavor and it is exactly like drinking chocolate milk. A gallon is $50. You get 16 servings. (1 cup per serving). This is a little over $3 per serving.
However, you can buy liquid egg whites and mix 1 cup of them with 1/4 cup 1% chocolate milk and it tastes EXACTLY the same. For only $1 per serving. I use this a lot now, at least twice a day and unlike protein powder in the past, it doesn't bloat me or give me gas.
The absorbtion factor I can't speak on as I don't know about it.
Even the purest Whey Protein Isolate Microfiltrated has even ch4 to turn you into a cow.
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In the US there is zero government over sight on supplements. You have no idea what's in the tub. Could be mixed in someone's garage for all you know. I foolishly take a multivitamin with the USP test symbol on it and a vegetable protein shake on the days I train. I truly have no idea if it's helping me. I remember when I would take 5 to 6 supplements a day. Creatine, whey isolate, vitamins, and tribulus. All I got was the runs. Creatine is the only supplement that I can swear actually worked. My muscles got full and dense using it. I hear most aren't responders to it but I was. At the time all my blood work was showing kidney damage. I cut out creatine and all my kidney tests came back great. Doc thinks my kidneys were overloaded trying to filter out the creatine. Who knows? All I know is off of creatine my kidney tests came back perfect.
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Almost everyday......
Meal #1 (After Cardio) Protein Carb Sugar Fat Fiber
1/3 cup dry oatmeal 3.33 17.33 0.67 1 2.67
2/3 scoop Six Star Whey 20 4.69 1.35 1.33 0
8 oz. 2% Milk 8 0 12 5 0
5 oz. Non Fat Plain Greek Yogurt 20 5 2.5 0 0
4 oz. Frozen Strawberries 0 3.5 7.5 0 1.67
1 Tbsp Flax Seeds 1 1.5 0 2.4 3
*Add 1gm B-Comp, 5gm Glutamine, 3gm AAKG
Macro Totals 52.33 32.02 24.02 9.73 7.34
Total Meal Calories 209.32 128.08 96.08 87.57
% of Calories per Macro 40.17% 24.58% 18.44% 16.81%
Total Cals 521.05
Started adding 2oz of diet sprite for some fizz, and this tastes AWESOME! (It was actually a blueberry smoothie with spinach recipe from a walmart ad minus the protein and supplements)
Point is, when mixed with real foods it's a very inexpensive and very quick way to get some extra protein and a "meal" in.
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Amino Acids yes ;), no protein powder !.
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Lots of slacked jawed candy asses in this thread.
If you're actually afraid of what's in your protein powder, just stay home all day and live under your bed. You fucking cowards.
Buy a well established brand. Get a good price. Take it every single day. You might actually grow a set.
"Oh I'm scared that what they claim is in my protein powder really isn't in my protein powder!"
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remember - protein powder is just one step away from steroids!
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remember - protein powder is just one step away from steroids!
is that in koran , the book of shit
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remember - protein powder is just one step away from steroids!
That's just in the Quran, the book of shit.
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That's just in the Quran, the book of shit.
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Why don't you 'fatwa' us ;D ;D
(muslims curse ::))
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Why don't you 'fatwa' us ;D ;D
(muslims curse ::))
you seem to know more about muslims than i do
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you seem to know more about muslims than i do
Just reading J.K. Sheindlin, The People vs Muhammad , psychological analysis
The shocking evidence which exposes his catalogue of mental illness - Psychopath-Sex Addict-Schizophrenic & more ...
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Just reading J.K. Sheindlin, The People vs Muhammad , psychological analysis
The shocking evidence which exposes his catalogue of mental illness - Psychopath-Sex Addict-Schizophrenic & more ...
pedophile?
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I know they kind of fell out of favor a little while back, with the "whole foods are superior" argument. I had bought into that too but protein powders are just so damn convenient. It's kinda hard to consistently get a lot of protein in without protein shakes. All that cooking, cleaning, grocery shopping, lugging around tupperwares ... no thanks.
Right now I get about 100g of protein from shakes every day. 2 shakes w 2 scoops a piece. Add to that some eggs and a little bit of meat and I'm right at about 200g protein.
What about the rest of Getbig?
It sounds like you are seeking some sort of validation
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As bullshit as protein powders are, REAL food is bullshit too. "All natural" with all kinds of preservatives and chemicals, "whole wheat" which is wheat flour, stripped of all good fiber and nurtrients, the whole organic scam, "made with real chicken"(is it chicken?)
Unless you seriously are buying all raw food and preparing and cooking it(even then its not certain), dont think whatever youre eating is any less bullshit than a protein powder.
Try not eating any food for awhile and see how that goes. Of course home cooked meals are superior.
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Egg white powder mixed with water and a banana
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weekdays breakfast : Syntha 2 scoops
Best protein supp out there
WooOSHHHHHHHHHHHHH Stay vintage
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Either way at least you know you are absolutely positively getting protein, not some powder with god knows whats in it. I know Franco Columbo was big on raw eggs, I do 2-3 raw eggs a day lately, haven't gotten salmonella yet.
I used to do that...then I got salmonella. The eggs seemed fine, shells weren't damaged.
The hospital even sent me a letter afterwards to check up on me, asking me to respond, basically to see whether I was still alive.
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Why not throw milk and eggs in a blender and drink it?
It's not that simple. The ingredient ratio must be precise, the right kind of eggs and the right kind of milk must be used. Rheo Blair was a scientist. This isn't DIY.
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As much as people complain today, as a little kid in the 80s and alrady loving bodybuilding, Weider had a protein Gainer(and anabolic pack)that was fucking CRAP!!!!! And he knew it and was investigated by the government for false claims in the 70s and 80s The powder I tried at like 12 years old was called Joe Weiders Big/weight gainer.
Had like 700 calories BUT AFTER it said you have to mix with 2 cups whole milk and 2 raw eggs(You cannot imagine the horrible taste). Actual powder was literally dried powdered milk and sugar. Straight poured cups of sugar and dried powdered milk from supermarket in a can and sold for a fortune. Like 250 cals before "preparing" the shake.
Today young bucks proclaim, "Supplements are bullshit, its roided out guys saying they work"..like this is a novel realization...not realizing thats ALL of bodybuilding history. The sport never made money, Weider was a huckster that found good faces, like Arnold, with great physiques to say they did it with Weider products. No protein powders and bullshit supplements=no bodybuilding. RIP Weider, he did love bodybuilding on some level but loved money more.
At least today its some kind of real protein.
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Have a protein shake twice a day. I noticed a strength loss when I stopped taking any so tend to believe that the added protein it gives is beneficial.
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I throw in a little bit with my Greek yogurt and some berries. Do people actually just drink it with water?
If I’m busy and can’t eat I just don’t eat. Still stay jacked and shredded 365 without that shit.
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This stuff is incredible. The company diligently researched and reproduced the original Rheo Blair milk and egg protein powder
This is the protein that Arnold was using, behind the scenes.
Where did you find that? I used Blairs in the 70's and the packaging is almost identical.
J
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It's not that simple. The ingredient ratio must be precise, the right kind of eggs and the right kind of milk must be used. Rheo Blair was a scientist. This isn't DIY.
This is true . . . the vast majority of people get upset stomachs or diarrhea eating raw eggs. Its not the eggs them selves it is the shell. When we crack an egg the food makes contact with the shell and the bacteria on it contaminates the egg white and it is the bactyeria taht makes us sick. They say put them in rapidly boiling water for 30 seconds to a minuet and then place them in cold water to stop the cooking process. In theory the bacteria is then killed.
J
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Where did you find that? I used Blairs in the 70's and the packaging is almost identical.
J
http://www.rheoblair.com/arnold-schwarzenegger-diet.html (http://www.rheoblair.com/arnold-schwarzenegger-diet.html)
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I use whey protein mainly after I eat a junk food meal or a meal at a restaurant that did not include much if any meat.
Why drink something that you have no clue whats actually in it?
There are reputable companies out there that you can trust. For example, NOW has an A+ rating from the Better Business Bureau, and they are GMP certified.
I have 30lbs of their plain whey isolate sitting next to me now.
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1 cup of egg whites = 26 g = better absorption than powder = 1 scoop of protein powder
Pay no attention to Species, GAF (chris jones), Ghost, Shredz, jay culter special BS and all that other bullshit, just do egg whites from a carton.
Someone else can do the monthly cost comparison.
I did egg whites for a while back when gh15 was on here and it gave me the worst gas of my life., Like, the stench was ludicrous. I don't really have a sensitive stomach either.
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Buy protein from cheese manufacturers in 20 kg bags ;)
Just like all protein re-sellers :D
They just re-pack & re-mix powder >:(
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This stuff is incredible. The company diligently researched and reproduced the original Rheo Blair milk and egg protein powder
This is the protein that Arnold was using, behind the scenes.
I love the marketing of these companies with their pseudo science. Bio engineered advanced formula ::)
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I use whey protein mainly after I eat a junk food meal or a meal at a restaurant that did not include much if any meat.
There are reputable companies out there that you can trust. For example, NOW has an A+ rating from the Better Business Bureau, and they are GMP certified.
I have 30lbs of their plain whey isolate sitting next to me now.
Are you caressing it?
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LOL I love all of the tough kunts in here who claim you don't need X amount of protein and its a waste of money but we never see pics of their shitty physiques... latest science still states .8-1g per lean pound of body weight is the way to go so I will stick with science over you fucktards in here!!
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LOL I love all of the tough kunts in here who claim you don't need X amount of protein and its a waste of money but we never see pics of their shitty physiques... latest science still states .8-1g per lean pound of body weight is the way to go so I will stick with science over you fucktards in here!!
Yeah, I'm sure you are a man of science. ::) Answer this, has science proven eating an over abundance of protein increases muscle mass in humans?
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LOL I love all of the tough kunts in here who claim you don't need X amount of protein and its a waste of money but we never see pics of their shitty physiques... latest science still states .8-1g per lean pound of body weight is the way to go so I will stick with science over you fucktards in here!!
Hey tough guy, some of us here are half-tards.
J
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Goodmorrow,
Why wouldn't one use a reputable protein powder, especially a person who is on the go and can't cart around an IGLOO Cooler filled with organic proteins and vegetables? There are times I don't feel like making food or even eating and I'll slug down a protein shake.
Protein shakes have their place in todays active lifestyle and bodybuilder.
STAY POSTIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Anyone ever tried this? I am not Vegan per se but eliminated all meat, chicken, bread etc. from my diet and am considering it.
J
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If you are Vegan you better take some protein.
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Goodmorrow,
Why wouldn't one use a reputable protein powder, especially a person who is on the go and can't cart around an IGLOO Cooler filled with organic proteins and vegetables? There are times I don't feel like making food or even eating and I'll slug down a protein shake.
Protein shakes have their place in todays active lifestyle and bodybuilder.
STAY POSTIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get with the times. That’s what Uber eats is for. Use it on the regular can get what I want
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igloo cooler? i think not
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im wondering what spices and herbs one can drop into the protein shake to make it more healthy !
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im wondering what spices and herbs one can drop into the protein shake to make it more healthy !
I hear arsenic works wonders.
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I hear arsenic works wonders.
>:( :D
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VERY RARELY - but I have a tub, I crack it open occasionally if I feel depleted.
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im wondering what spices and herbs one can drop into the protein shake to make it more healthy !
vanilla & cinnamon
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VERY RARELY - but I have a tub, I crack it open occasionally if I feel depleted.
You "feel" depleted of protein? ???
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You "feel" depleted of protein? ???
Sometimes I "feel" like I need a bit extra protein. Yes.
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Sometimes I "feel" like I need a bit extra protein. Yes.
from the tap no doubt
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I did egg whites for a while back when gh15 was on here and it gave me the worst gas of my life., Like, the stench was ludicrous. I don't really have a sensitive stomach either.
You must have a digestion issue, an inability to breakdown egg components. Those components are consumed by intestinal bacteria which produce sulfur waste aka gas like a cow in a pasture. I believe vegetable base protein is worst. Maybe you should try protein from the fountain like Bay, Vince, One, Go4it and Bunny Suit Man.
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Yes.
In all those years at Golds Gym Venice, being right there in the mix. Seeing every bodybuilder who was ever anybody...
Not one single bodybuilder I ever knew, and I knew all of them... did not use protein sups.
They work. Protein drinks, shakes, powders work.
I agree and I used to get them for free I have to say mega dosing protein does work.
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weekdays breakfast : Syntha 2 scoops
Best protein supp out there
WooOSHHHHHHHHHHHHH Stay vintage
it is decent have used it with success my current favorite is bodyfortress sold at Walmart I agree
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I never buy the shit have a lot of friends family work at Amazon I order everything I can feels like Christmas everyday lol I probably save quite a bit doing this I would guess. Because I don't get in the store by useless stuff.
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labdoor test protein powders.
at the top they get a score of 91.3
at the bottom they get a score of 31.5
so much for all protein powders being the same, made in the same place.
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labdoor test protein powders.
at the top they get a score of 91.3
at the bottom they get a score of 31.5
so much for all protein powders being the same, made in the same place.
Yeah, I'm sure Labdoor has never gotten any money to rate certain protein powders higher. Enjoy drinking shit and thinking you're building muscle.
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Yeah, I'm sure Labdoor has never gotten any money to rate certain protein powders higher. Enjoy drinking shit and thinking you're building muscle.
they've tested 81 products.
youre just a moron who doesnt have the capacity to think or listen to facts.
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they've tested 81 products.
youre just a moron who doesnt have the capacity to think or listen to facts.
No, you are an idiot who believes these companies and their bullshit marketing. You probably believed Muscle Tech really had a 8,465.985678329% higher absorption rate for creatine too, didn't you?
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No, you are an idiot who believes these companies and their bullshit marketing. You probably believed Muscle Tech really had a 8,465.985678329% higher absorption rate for creatine too, didn't you?
im just calling you out on your bullshit.
you make up stories and tell yourself so you can feel smart. "protein doesnt work" "im no fool like others, i dont spend my money on that! "theyre all the same" etc etc
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im just calling you out on your bullshit.
you make up stories and tell yourself so you can feel smart. "protein doesnt work" "im no fool like others, i dont spend my money on that! "theyre all the same" etc etc
I make up stories about protein not working? So you still believe the supp companies? I used to be ignorant like you on supplements when I was a teenager/early 20's but learned the truth. Maybe someday you will learn. Until then enjoy wasting money on fart powder and just remember to stack creatine, HMB, Vanadyl Sulphate and Hot Stuff to really amp up the gains. If you add some Andro to the mix you'll put 2 inches on your arms in 30 days!!! Just don't tell anyone I let you in on the secret.
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I make up stories about protein not working? So you still believe the supp companies? I used to be ignorant like you on supplements when I was a teenager/early 20's but learned the truth. Maybe someday you will learn. Until then enjoy wasting money on fart powder and just remember to stack creatine, HMB, Vanadyl Sulphate and Hot Stuff to really amp up the gains. If you add some Andro to the mix you'll put 2 inches on your arms in 30 days!!! Just don't tell anyone I let you in on the secret.
sigh. nobody said protein is anything special. however, when people do discuss protein powders, for whatever reason or need, it helps to be TRUTHFULL and not post shit and lies.
dont make claims that are false.
that is not helping.
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sigh. nobody said protein is anything special. however, when people do discuss protein powders, for whatever reason or need, it helps to be TRUTHFULL and not post shit and lies.
dont make claims that are false.
that is not helping.
It's the supplement companies making false claims, not me. How am I not being truthful about protein? People that still believe protein powder is helping their gains need help the exception is for people dieting for a contest who need to spread their meals out as I stated earlier.
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It's the supplement companies making false claims, not me. How am I not being truthful about protein? People that still believe protein powder is helping their gains need help the exception is for people dieting for a contest who need to spread their meals out as I stated earlier.
Protein powder is nothing special, it's just an easy, inexpensive way to consume protein. I could either cook & choke down 1/2lb chicken breast or I could mix & drink 16oz water with 2 scoops of protein. One is significantly easier for me.
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It's the supplement companies making false claims, not me. How am I not being truthful about protein? People that still believe protein powder is helping their gains need help the exception is for people dieting for a contest who need to spread their meals out as I stated earlier.
because you claim theyre all the same, made in the same factory etc.
nobody but you is talking about false claims and marketing.
i dont know if you just registered on getbig, for some reason you seem to think youre the only one thats been lifting weights for a long time and you feel the need to tell people of your great discovery "supplements dont work!"
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because you claim theyre all the same, made in the same factory etc.
nobody but you is talking about false claims and marketing.
i dont know if you just registered on getbig, for some reason you seem to think youre the only one thats been lifting weights for a long time and you feel the need to tell people of your great discovery "supplements dont work!"
Well,you seem to think they do.
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I had pretty much given up on protein powders...totally given up on whey only....until a couple of years ago going through a Neighborhood Walmart grocery, and saw a 2.5 lb tub of Six Star brand on sale for $17.99 with a free t-shirt inside the outer packaging.
I thought "what the hell, if it sucks I still got a new workout shirt" Vanilla tastes awesome when mixed with blueberries or strawberries, and doesn't bother my stomach at all. I ordered it once on Amazon, and a few months ago they sent me an email for this version https://www.sixstarpro.com/can/products/100-whey-protein-plus/ which was on sale for $25.97 FOR 5 LBS!!! It has bcaa's and creatine in it already so I no longer have to spend money on those two things separately. I ordered 10, and I only use about 1.5 lbs a month so I'm set for a long time, and the exp. date isn't until 2022 8)
It's actually Muscle Tech's protein re-branded for mass distribution at Walmart, Target, and on Amazon.
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Whey is a waste product in cheese making process.
Many Australian pig farmers feed porky's with that yellow whey water, pigs loved & is for free.
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I make up stories about protein not working? So you still believe the supp companies? I used to be ignorant like you on supplements when I was a teenager/early 20's but learned the truth. Maybe someday you will learn. Until then enjoy wasting money on fart powder and just remember to stack creatine, HMB, Vanadyl Sulphate and Hot Stuff to really amp up the gains. If you add some Andro to the mix you'll put 2 inches on your arms in 30 days!!! Just don't tell anyone I let you in on the secret.
I co-managed and managed a few different nutrition stores for about 5 years, and that meant I got to read all of the mags for free on and off all day when it was slow, AND I got to try a lot of stuff for free. I bought into the hype when I first started lifting at 15, but after joining the gym at 16 and then working there at 17 the older dudes let me in on the real "secret".
I agree with what you're saying about protein and supps partially. Going off of ad claims like MT did back in the day (maybe still does) is fucking stupid. However, their products were/are good quality IMO (at least their off brand Six Star is...I've never used MT except for free Hydroxycut that was returned). There are only a few actual manufacturer's out there so you're kinda right that they are all the same, but that's not 100% accurate. Most just figure out what they want in their product, design a label, have it made, and then market the shit outta things. Some pick the cheapest manufacturer. Sometimes even a good manufacturer fucks up some batches, or gets the product completely wrong from what the supp company actually told them to make. So I don't think it's fair to say everything is worthless or that everything is the same, because that's just not true for both arguments.
HMB was a total bullshit scam. Agree 100% about that. Never even tried it, because it was so expensive (I could literally get real Deca for almost the same price!), and no one I sold it to ever had any noticeable improvements at all. Best scam Phillips ever came up with by far!
However, I absolutely swear by vanadyl sulfate! Have used it since I was around 20 or 21. Sport Pharma, Ultimate Nutrition, and EAS all had great versions of it. Sport Pharma was over-priced, and V2G (the best one) is no more. I still use Ultimate's for 3-4 months on and then take a break. If you're eating right you will get better pumps regardless of bf%. Once I hit 12% and below I see a very noticeable difference in vascularity while using within the first 2 weeks, and the pumps seem even better when I'm lean for some reason.
Keep in mind vanadium is often used because it's cheaper, but they still market it the same as vanadyl sulfate. It's shit, and can actually be toxic in that form.
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study of hmb:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5537867/
2017 Jul; 9
The Effect of a 12-Week Beta-hydroxy-beta-methylbutyrate (HMB) Supplementation on Highly-Trained Combat Sports Athletes: A Randomised, Double-Blind, Placebo-Controlled Crossover Study
5. Conclusions
This study indicates that HMB supplementation in athletes training combat sports promotes an advantageous reduction of fat mass and increase in fat-free mass, anaerobic peak power, average power, and post-anaerobic exercise lactate concentrations. HMB also stimulates beneficial changes in aerobic capacity of the organism, mainly due to the increased values of ventilatory threshold.
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study of hmb:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5537867/
2017 Jul; 9
The Effect of a 12-Week Beta-hydroxy-beta-methylbutyrate (HMB) Supplementation on Highly-Trained Combat Sports Athletes: A Randomised, Double-Blind, Placebo-Controlled Crossover Study
5. Conclusions
This study indicates that HMB supplementation in athletes training combat sports promotes an advantageous reduction of fat mass and increase in fat-free mass, anaerobic peak power, average power, and post-anaerobic exercise lactate concentrations. HMB also stimulates beneficial changes in aerobic capacity of the organism, mainly due to the increased values of ventilatory threshold.
Funded by?
I know that some early creatine studies were funded by supp companies and performed at a university in NE.
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Funded by?
I know that some early creatine studies were funded by supp companies and performed at a university in NE.
Polish National Science Centre.
The National Science Centre is a governmental grant-making agency responsible for providing financial support for the conduct of basic science research in Poland and various programs to assist scientists throughout their careers.
Tomasz Podgórski
3Department of Biochemistry, Poznan University of Physical Education
Jan Jeszka
1Department of Hygiene and Human Nutrition, Poznan University of Life Sciences, 60-624 Poznań, Poland;
Krzysztof Durkalec-Michalski
1Department of Hygiene and Human Nutrition, Poznan University of Life Sciences, 60-624 Poznań, Poland;
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study of hmb:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5537867/
2017 Jul; 9
The Effect of a 12-Week Beta-hydroxy-beta-methylbutyrate (HMB) Supplementation on Highly-Trained Combat Sports Athletes: A Randomised, Double-Blind, Placebo-Controlled Crossover Study
5. Conclusions
This study indicates that HMB supplementation in athletes training combat sports promotes an advantageous reduction of fat mass and increase in fat-free mass, anaerobic peak power, average power, and post-anaerobic exercise lactate concentrations. HMB also stimulates beneficial changes in aerobic capacity of the organism, mainly due to the increased values of ventilatory threshold.
things like HMB and DHEA do show studies of them working but who knows how much they actually work? also it is easy to compare them gear...
my take on fitness supps... do not even spend money on them till your training is down, sleep, diet is on point, then spend more money on quality food first (i recently started buying higher quality eggs) and i love the taste and i dont mind eating them and i know its a better product, then make sure your sleep is on point...
and if you have money left over.. then buy some items like HMB and DHEA
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most weekend warriors stock up on fitness supps thinking it will be magic in a bottle but their training dieting. sleeping is sub par. i give credit to the supp companies for their marketings.. .they are selling HBM to make money $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
use your fitness kitty money to buy higher calibre eggs over supps .
i do take 1-2 scoops of whey when I am pre contest - again - coach recommends it
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Polish National Science Centre.
The National Science Centre is a governmental grant-making agency responsible for providing financial support for the conduct of basic science research in Poland and various programs to assist scientists throughout their careers.
Tomasz Podgórski
3Department of Biochemistry, Poznan University of Physical Education
Jan Jeszka
1Department of Hygiene and Human Nutrition, Poznan University of Life Sciences, 60-624 Poznań, Poland;
Krzysztof Durkalec-Michalski
1Department of Hygiene and Human Nutrition, Poznan University of Life Sciences, 60-624 Poznań, Poland;
Fair enough....., and I'm actually surprised. :-\ However, it certainly doesn't "feel like being on deca" ::) No customer that bought it that I knew used gear ever gave positive feedback on it at all, let alone validated that claim by bill and MM2K. Even the natural guys said it was shit, and the biggest waste of money they ever spent on any supplement.
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I used HMB last summer for three months with a very controlled training schedule and diet, noticed no benefit.
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I used HMB last summer for three months with a very controlled training schedule and diet, noticed no benefit.
how much did you use per day?
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^^^ 3 grams/day
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Weiders Research Institute is still far ahead of others ................ ;D
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However, I absolutely swear by vanadyl sulfate! Have used it since I was around 20 or 21. Sport Pharma, Ultimate Nutrition, and EAS all had great versions of it. Sport Pharma was over-priced, and V2G (the best one) is no more. I still use Ultimate's for 3-4 months on and then take a break. If you're eating right you will get better pumps regardless of bf%. Once I hit 12% and below I see a very noticeable difference in vascularity while using within the first 2 weeks, and the pumps seem even better when I'm lean for some reason.
As I've aged my body has become very sensitive to carbohydrates, my dad is diabetic. Vanadyl helps with this sensitivity. I only use it on my workout days with my post workout carbs, using it everyday seems to lessen the effects.
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^^^ 3 grams/day
ok that the recommended dose.
at least these days HMB is pretty cheap compared to what it used to be, if somebody would want to try it out.
to say if it "works" might also depend on what one means with works, maybe some wont have muscle gains, but it might help with recovery
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Polish National Science Centre.
Could this nice Polish people test "effectiveness" of Biceps Supinator Machinery, if they have nothing else to do ;D
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^^^ 3 grams/day
How much did that cost you for your total trial of this?
how much did you use per day?
So after US MUSL's reply here I clicked on the study link you provided mainly to see what the dosage was to reach the conclusion you posted. I didn't even bother getting to that. First of all the results were very minimal. "Following HMB supplementation, fat-free mass increased (p = 0.049) with a simultaneous reduction of fat mass (p = 0.016) in comparison to placebo. In turn, after HMB supplementation, the following indicators increased significantly in comparison to the placebo: the time to reach ventilatory threshold (p < 0.0001), threshold load (p = 0.017) and the threshold HR (p < 0.0001), as well as anaerobic peak power (p = 0.005), average power (p = 0.029), maximum speed (p < 0.001) and post-exercise lactate concentrations (p < 0.0001)"
Not a single one of their main measurables had a result of even a full .1, let alone even a full 1 + or - difference. During a full fucking 12 weeks! On top of that just in the very beginning without reading very far at all we see that the study started with 68, and 26 washed out during 12 weeks leaving them with only 42 test subjects (who trained different types of MMA) whose training styles and regimen were likely all over the board. Also, in the chart in the beginning it has a training experience level of 7.5 yrs with a + or - value of 3.6 yrs. 3.6 yrs of bbing training is an insane difference, and I can only imagine that difference would be even more pronounced with MMA fighters in training intensity, duration, ability to push themselves further, conditioning, and skills.
I get that it was backed by the org you posted, but this study is so fucked and has such pathetic results that I can't help but think there's a bigger purpose and $ behind this study than just that org being curious to do a study on a compound that has pretty much been written off as a scam since early 2000's as recently as 2017 when this was published. Something is not adding up here for me? :-\
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ok that the recommended dose.
at least these days HMB is pretty cheap compared to what it used to be, if somebody would want to try it out.
to say if it "works" might also depend on what one means with works, maybe some wont have muscle gains, but it might help with recovery
Who's the "high quality" brand for HMB these days, and what do they charge now? IIRC, we were selling it for around $70 a bottle which I don't think even lasted a month. I think it was for 2 weeks worth, but again I never tried it so I don't know if I'm right on that for sure? Are you old enough to remember, and know if I'm right on that with EAS when it came out? ???
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not sure if you're not reading it correctly, or if im not:
3.1. Body Composition
Following the 12-week HMB supplementation of the athletes, in comparison to the placebo treatment, a significant increase (p = 0.049) in the fat-free mass (HMB: +0.8 kg vs. PLA: −0.6 kg) was recorded.
+0.8kg fat free mass (1.7lb) isnt minimal.
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Who's the "high quality" brand for HMB these days, and what do they charge now? IIRC, we were selling it for around $70 a bottle which I don't think even lasted a month. I think it was for 2 weeks worth, but again I never tried it so I don't know if I'm right on that for sure? Are you old enough to remember, and know if I'm right on that with EAS when it came out? ???
a months supply is $30 or so now.
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not sure if you're not reading it correctly, or if im not:
3.1. Body Composition
Following the 12-week HMB supplementation of the athletes, in comparison to the placebo treatment, a significant increase (p = 0.049) in the fat-free mass (HMB: +0.8 kg vs. PLA: −0.6 kg) was recorded.
+0.8kg fat free mass (1.7lb) isnt minimal.
Honestly, YOU ARE probably reading it right as you went further into it. The part I posted made me go "WTF...that's nothing", and then when I read about the washouts, different MMA styles, and the years training variable....I felt there was too much flaw in the study to read further. I still feel that way due to those things.
"+0.8kg fat free mass (1.7lb) isnt minimal." That's debatable. I guess I'll go with your "isn't minimal" statement, but I'll ask you to go with my statement that "It's not remotely substantial either"?
To illustrate my point, today was actually my two week "check in" (with myself)....where I do all my tape measurements, weight, and 4 site skin fold (I actually do 5, but the 5th is for a 7 site test which I have a trainer at the gym do my axila and subscalpula as they're impossible on my own) There is usually between a 1% - 2% difference between the two so I just add them and divide by 2, and go with that as my true reading......I'm telling you this because I factored in a 1.5% difference even though I won't be able to get those sites measured til after the weekend.
So here's where you realize I'm not the full of shit getbigger lying asshole you think I am. Remember, I hadn't trained for almost 3 yrs after tearing my bicep so yeah....I'm a fatty, but getting better. Started 12-29-18 at 194.2 BF est 25% (tested 2 weeks later a little over 23% so I'm pretty sure my estimate was close) Today 3-23-19 I weighed 187 on the dot, and average with 1.5% discrepancy factored in worked out to exactly 18% oddly enough.
So change in lbm is +8.66 lbs and fat weight change is -15.86 lbs. Now, I am on TRT so there's that, and it's not something I'm trying to hide. However, the first two weeks back I literally did curls and back rows with nothing heavier than 15 lb dbells. I just did lots of reps + supersets + dropsets to keep me ego in check while I got over my fear of starting to lift again and started doing cardio. I am still scared shitless, and next week (tommorow) will be the first time I use a dumbbell over 50lbs, and also the first time I bench more than 145 for reps. Also, I only trained with weights 2x and did cardio 2x between 2-9 and 3-10 (those things overlapped once) as it was fuckin insanely cold here, and my bones and joints were aching like they were when I suffered my tear so I said fuck it...lifting can wait another month. I could likely get much better results and speed up getting back to squatting 4 wheels+ and benching 3 wheels+, but if I'm growing and losing fat doing bitch weights why should I be in a rush to have sore joints and possibly re-tear my fuckin tendon, right? Also, I'm 15 years older than I was when I squatted like that and 7 older than the last time I benched 315......I don't know that doing that is even a good goal to have at this point.
Most of those changes came from three things, and it was not the TRT because I was already back on it in late October. Three things were: Zero alcohol, eating at least 2-3 home cooked meals + 1 protein shake (recipe in this thread), and muscle memory.
I'm telling you all this to make my point about this study which is: With a 3.6 yr differential in training, different MMA styles, plus just their "word" on nutrient intake, and.. (only they know what else? ;)) there's a lot of things we don't know in that study RBB. There could be one of me in that group. In a group of only 42 final subjects, someone like me with my numbers would fuck the whole thing up and make it as useless as I feel that it is.
Sorry....another long "Matt"-like post (I don't even know who you were referencing me to with that btw, but it sounded like a diss fucker! :D) Hopefully, you found some value in this one. I'd hate to have wasted your precious liberal time that you could have spent watching Maddow cry again. ;)
LOL!
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As I've aged my body has become very sensitive to carbohydrates, my dad is diabetic. Vanadyl helps with this sensitivity. I only use it on my workout days with my post workout carbs, using it everyday seems to lessen the effects.
I agree with you. There are times (like the almost 3 yrs I wasn't training) where I would just take it every once in a while....usually with a really shitty meal....or more honestly, mealz!
I like the vascularity part of it as much as I like the pumps, so for me taking it for a few months (1 - 10mg tab per meal as long as it has carbs) during from say March-June, then off from June though August (it's hot AF so that makes me vascular anyway), and then get back on from August- October end, and then nothing except here and there with a cheat meal again until March when I start all over works great.
One thing I've learned is that AAKG becomes worth jack shit after a few months. I thought adding it to periods when I do vanadyl would give even better pumps, and it does for a little bit, but then it goes back to just vanadyl levels after two months and not as many stiffies so it's gotta be the AAKG that's becoming less effective. I'm on the vanadyl now, and cutting out AAKG. I'm going to resume AAKG when I stop Vanadyl in June, and see if that works better to have those pumps year round without fucking up my insulin sensitivity/resistance and not having my NO2 receptors or whatever they're called shut down. There is some kind of feedback enzyme or lipase for NO2 that maxes out. It's a new thing I heard of that made sense, but I can't remember who's YT I saw it on or exactly what it's called or how it was explained.
Back to the HMB thing....so you spent $90 freaking bucks and got nothing from 12 weeks?
Are you a natty US MUSL? If not, why didn't you just go through a FL or CA TRT telemed, and get some deca for about the same price?
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Yes, I am natty. The HMB was Puritans Pride brand, not sure on the quality. Paid around $60 for three months supply.
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Yes, I am natty. The HMB was Puritans Pride brand, not sure on the quality. Paid around $60 for three months supply.
Well, if you're natty:
Creatine Mono
ECA
Glutamine
Protein (if you need more than you can eat foodwise)
Vanadyl
AAKG
BCAA's? (on the fence on those)
DHEA (if over 25, and allowed if you compete)
That's what works for bbing purposes IME of use, selling to customers and seeing what works for them, and both working at and being in gyms for 25+ years. The rest is mostly nonsense, or would take away your natty status (sarms & prohormones)
Obviously good multi, c, minerals, EFA's, and such are good for just overrall health
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Currently using.
Creatine
Glutamine
Taurine
Vanadyl
Whey protein
DHEA
Udos oil 369 blend
Sarms/osterine is tempting
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i think glutamine is another supplement where you just dont know if its any good
still, suppose you only use it on training days to help with recovery.. its not that big a deal and its pretty cheap these days
the supplements i avoid are the ones where a bottle only last 2 weeks and to get any result (that is if there's any to be had) is 3-6 months - its just not worth it.
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Currently using.
Creatine
Glutamine
Taurine
Vanadyl
Whey protein
DHEA
Udos oil 369 blend
Sarms/osterine is tempting
Without you looking it up tell me about this Udos oil 369 blend in your own words. How long have you been taking, and what have you noticed while using it?
If you're gonna do sarms, you're done being natty. You might as well just go through a telemed trt clinic, and do the real deal. It's likely cheaper, and there's a lot more history showing there are zero to minimal side effects when used moderately and responsibly.
i think glutamine is another supplement where you just dont know if its any good
still, suppose you only use it on training days to help with recovery.. its not that big a deal and its pretty cheap these days
the supplements i avoid are the ones where a bottle only last 2 weeks and to get any result (that is if there's any to be had) is 3-6 months - its just not worth it.
Pretty much agree with you on that as far as bbing goes...
Without gettin into details I have had "stomach issues" for over 2 decades. Tried many meds, diet strategies, and supps. It'll never be good, but since learning about glutamine and gut health and then adding that, psyllium (generic metamucil), flax seeds, and the current med I'm settled on... things have gotten a bit better.
I have added those things one at a time to know what's working or not. I would definitely say that adding 5-10grms of glutamine a day helped with that, and I do think it helps with recovery when taken post workout. On days that I train back to back, I don't feel as sore from the day before, and I also don't feel as drained as I used to. Like I said haven't been doing anything for almost 3 years til recently though, so I'm not sure if lifting the kinda weights I'm using right now while playing it safe and re-gaining some confidence in my tendon can be considered a trustworthy gauge when it comes to the recovery aspect. ???
I'll add that Bulk Supplements kicks ass. I buy anything I can from these guys in the kilo bags. I have containers and scoopers for everything when I bought other brands off bb.com and I just wash when empty, open the bag from BS, dump in what fits, and then dump the rest into a foodsaver bag and then vacuum seal it. Everything I've ordered from them has been great, and they send you free 100-500 gram bags of stuff you'd like to try if you do a positive review on Amazon for what you bought (don't know if they still do now that they've been around a couple years)
Check them out. https://www.amazon.com/BulkSupplements-Pure-L-Glutamine-Powder-grams/dp/B00E7TMOOA/ref=sr_1_3?crid=8CNBK4BA9K2B&keywords=bulk+supplements+glutamine+powder&qid=1553475628&s=gateway&sprefix=bulk+supplements+glu%2Caps%2C194&sr=8-3
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I stockpile whichever Dymatize or Optimum whey is on sale at Costco. Glutamine is worthless for muscle growth. HTH
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Always use the cell tech/nitro tech stack.
I add 2.223366% of muscle each week
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Without you looking it up tell me about this Udos oil 369 blend in your own words. How long have you been taking, and what have you noticed while using it?
I tried Udo's 3-6-9 back in the day when I was around 17. Didn't notice any difference at the time. Found out he was using ALA rather than EPA/DHA and never bought it again. Plus from what I understand we already get more than enough 6's and 9's anyways.
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I tried Udo's 3-6-9 back in the day when I was around 17. Didn't notice any difference at the time. Found out he was using ALA rather than EPA/DHA and never bought it again. Plus from what I understand we already get more than enough 6's and 9's anyways.
Yes. We get enuff 6’s vs 3’s
I don’t think Udos is bad though, it has its place for people that are allergic to fish
Ala conversion to dha sucks
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Yes. We get enuff 6’s vs 3’s
I don’t think Udos is bad though, it has its place for people that are allergic to fish
Ala conversion to dha sucks
So it's just a brand of omega's? Probably overpriced as hell too?
I just buy a bag of ground flax seeds for like $5, put a tablespoon in my shake each day and that lasts over 2 months. I also take flax seed softgels. I take 3 of those a day...one with each meal other than my shake. 200 was less than $10 which is just over 2 months worth as well
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Not sure what’s happened to this world of bb. Let me just say if your are natural and you’d better be supplementing with protein. That is if you work a lot and can’t eat real protein meals between your real meals. If you are natural and want to build u must always be in a slight calorie excess. Simple as that. And yes your body needs more protein than a non athlete. I’ve seen a million diet fads come and go in over 40 years bb. KISS. Keep it simple stupid. Eat 6-8 meals a day 2 of those most likely protein drinks.
If u are on drugs and I don’t care either way but if you are then eat whatever the f u want and unless u have crap genetics you’ll still grow. If on drugs and U eat 6-8 meals a day u will get swole.