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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: oldtimer1 on April 19, 2019, 06:18:50 AM
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I thought his views were very interesting. He argues for volume over intensity.
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You pick up a baby calf every day.
Over time, as you carry the calf, it grows slowly into a cow, and you get stronger and stronger.
(https://www.bassmaster.com/sites/default/files/main/2016/10/img_8593.jpg)
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You pick up a baby calf every day.
Over time, as you carry the calf, it grows slowly into a cow, and you get stronger and stronger.
(https://www.bassmaster.com/sites/default/files/main/2016/10/img_8593.jpg)
show a pic of that man carrying a cow
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I thought his views were very interesting. He argues for volume over intensity.
It sounds wonderful on paper but it doesn’t work. There is a critical intensity threshold you need to go above to elicit physical adaptation. What is that threshold? For lifting- about 70 % of 1 RM. Varies with the individual. Below that nothing changes.
If you do go above that threshold, changes happen quickly and you don’t need a lot of volume. People push these high volume workouts because they know people don’t like to hurt. With high volume it is the very last sets, when you are getting heavily fatigued, that cause growth. You essentially have pre- exhausted a lot of muscular fibers so the remaining ones go above the threshold to finish the movement.
If you like to spend time in the gym, do volume. If you want to spend as little time working out as possible, do intensity. If you want to get sick and weak, do high volume, high intensity.
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show a pic of that man carrying a cow
(https://i.ibb.co/MMWX0vv/Carry.jpg)
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picture suppose to be funny but IRL thats the type of woman kwon is into, fat woman with a fat ass.
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Carrying a growing calf everyday is a proven method of strength building.
Paul Bunyan carried Babe The Blue Ox in this fashion to get huge and strong.
(https://oldroadapples.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/paul-bunyan-babe-13or6nd.jpg)
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Carrying a growing calf everyday is a proven method of strength building.
Paul Bunyan carried Babe The Blue Ox in this fashion to get huge and strong.
(https://oldroadapples.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/paul-bunyan-babe-13or6nd.jpg)
Paul Bunyan was a big dude! All around big dude!
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Paul Bunyan was a big dude! All around big dude!
He'd be on Game of Thrones nowadays and the WSM champeen.
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(https://i.ibb.co/MMWX0vv/Carry.jpg)
LOL
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It sounds wonderful on paper but it doesn’t work. There is a critical intensity threshold you need to go above to elicit physical adaptation. What is that threshold? For lifting- about 70 % of 1 RM. Varies with the individual. Below that nothing changes.
If you do go above that threshold, changes happen quickly and you don’t need a lot of volume. People push these high volume workouts because they know people don’t like to hurt. With high volume it is the very last sets, when you are getting heavily fatigued, that cause growth. You essentially have pre- exhausted a lot of muscular fibers so the remaining ones go above the threshold to finish the movement.
If you like to spend time in the gym, do volume. If you want to spend as little time working out as possible, do intensity. If you want to get sick and weak, do high volume, high intensity.
I look at Yates and it's a non taxing warm up then one work set to failure for around four exercises a body part. Then you have Danny Padilla. He used around 5 sets of 12. The first set he might be able to get 17 reps but quits at 12. Second set he gets 12 but could have got 15. Third he gets 12 but could have got 13. Fourth he fails at 12. His fifth set he gets 9 reps. Which is more effective? One could argue both sides.
I think what the MMA guy was trying to say is to train hard but not to failure. There are cycles when it's balls to the wall but that shouldn't be an everyday protocol.
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Paul Bunyan was a big dude! All around big dude!
And don't forget Milo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_of_Croton
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And don't forget Milo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_of_Croton
Milo devised the system.
He was the Vince Basile of his time.
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Which is more effective? One could argue both sides.
multiple sets is more effective as there's a smaller risk of injury.
surely somebody who doesnt injure himself training will make bigger gains over time.
there would need to be significant gains with intensity training in order to warrent it considering all the downsides - higher risk of injury, more painful, requiring more effort and bigger need for recovery and more soreness.
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multiple sets is more effective as there's a smaller risk of injury.
surely somebody who doesnt injure himself training will make bigger gains over time.
there would need to be significant gains with intensity training in order to warrent it considering all the downsides - higher risk of injury, more painful, requiring more effort and bigger need for recovery and more soreness.
High volume training is more likely to cause tendonitis and stress injuries from overuse.
Common sense must be practiced in all forms of training to reduce injuries.
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I look at Yates and it's a non taxing warm up then one work set to failure for around four exercises a body part. Then you have Danny Padilla. He used around 5 sets of 12. The first set he might be able to get 17 reps but quits at 12. Second set he gets 12 but could have got 15. Third he gets 12 but could have got 13. Fourth he fails at 12. His fifth set he gets 9 reps. Which is more effective? One could argue both sides.
I think what the MMA guy was trying to say is to train hard but not to failure. There are cycles when it's balls to the wall but that shouldn't be an everyday protocol.
I agree with you. Training to extreme failure ( negatives, assisted reps, etc) is very damaging if done too frequently. Platz had a video posted here recently where he said he went 10-14 days after training a muscle group to failure because recovery took forever. HIT training can’t be done more often than 1-2 times every week to 10 days. Yates even mentions this.
Padilla was an amazing bodybuilder- one of my favorites- but I think he did far more than he needed to. That was just the way people trained at the time.
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multiple sets is more effective as there's a smaller risk of injury.
surely somebody who doesnt injure himself training will make bigger gains over time.
there would need to be significant gains with intensity training in order to warrent it considering all the downsides - higher risk of injury, more painful, requiring more effort and bigger need for recovery and more soreness.
Injury comes from bad form, lack of warmup, training in a fatigued state, or using weights beyond your capability. Research has also shown doing more than 2 sets to failure or close to failure is optimum. Beyond that you get vastly diminished returns.
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High volume training is more likely to cause tendonitis and stress injuries from overuse.
Common sense must be practiced in all forms of training to reduce injuries.
Is high volume with lower rep range (6-8) like Bill Pearl recommended better in your opinion than high volume and high reps?
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Milo devised the system.
He was the Vince Basile of his time.
Yes, Milo was the Basile of his time without the engineering knowledge though.
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Injury comes from bad form, lack of warmup, training in a fatigued state, or using weights beyond your capability. Research has also shown doing more than 2 sets to failure or close to failure is optimum. Beyond that you get vastly diminished returns.
going to failure or close to failure, always at the edge of your capacity, pushing the limits = higher risk of bad form and using weights beyond your capability.
in other words - higher risk of injury with more intense training.
and the rest still stands true - more demanding workout. more time needed for recovery. more soreness.
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going to failure or close to failure, always at the edge of your capacity, pushing the limits = higher risk of bad form and using weights beyond your capability.
in other words - higher risk of injury with more intense training.
and the rest still stands true - more demanding workout. more time needed for recovery. more soreness.
oh, everything is just too risky 4 U ::), your lifestyle must be so "exiting" :-\
visit me & we will play canetoads (frogs) golf ............ 8), very relaxing sport
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This guy is interesting.
Can't believe Oldtimer knew about him.
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no 20 inch arms? no care
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It sounds wonderful on paper but it doesn’t work. There is a critical intensity threshold you need to go above to elicit physical adaptation. What is that threshold? For lifting- about 70 % of 1 RM. Varies with the individual. Below that nothing changes.
If you do go above that threshold, changes happen quickly and you don’t need a lot of volume. People push these high volume workouts because they know people don’t like to hurt. With high volume it is the very last sets, when you are getting heavily fatigued, that cause growth. You essentially have pre- exhausted a lot of muscular fibers so the remaining ones go above the threshold to finish the movement.
If you like to spend time in the gym, do volume. If you want to spend as little time working out as possible, do intensity. If you want to get sick and weak, do high volume, high intensity.
How do you know and how do you measure when you are at 70% intensity?
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multiple sets is more effective as there's a smaller risk of injury.
surely somebody who doesnt injure himself training will make bigger gains over time.
there would need to be significant gains with intensity training in order to warrent it considering all the downsides - higher risk of injury, more painful, requiring more effort and bigger need for recovery and more soreness.
More proof that you are a retard.
If there is a risk to doing one set, then there is more of a risk of doing two sets, even more with three, even more... see the pattern pussyboy?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=651490.0;attach=770404;image)
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This guy is interesting.
Can't believe Oldtimer knew about him.
Rogan or the fighter?
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Well everybody's heard of Rogan.
Riiiiiiight?
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going to failure or close to failure, always at the edge of your capacity, pushing the limits = higher risk of bad form and using weights beyond your capability.
in other words - higher risk of injury with more intense training.
and the rest still stands true - more demanding workout. more time needed for recovery. more soreness.
Most people train using volume which is one of the reasons most people that get injured use volume. People get injured using poor form regardless of intensity. Training hard and training correctly are two separate issues.
Maybe if you actually worked out you would know these things.
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Well everybody's heard of Rogan.
Riiiiiiight?
Hard to believe but I had five fights in the ring. Lost my first and won the last four. I quit because I'm way too pretty to let someone punch me in the face. ;D My two son in laws compete in Jui Jitsu. One is 310lbs and the other looks like the prototype MMA fighter. We watch a lot of MMA together. I'm the only guy in the room with nice ears compared to their mangled ones. Told you I got out of the fight game quick. I'm still pretty.
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Most people train using volume which is one of the reasons most people that get injured use volume. People get injured using poor form regardless of intensity. Training hard and training correctly are two separate issues.
going to failure or close to failure, always at the edge of your capacity, pushing the limits = higher risk of bad form and using weights beyond your capability.
in other words - higher risk of injury with more intense training.
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That's pretty cool Old---I too am too pretty...borderline delectable.. to get in a ring.
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Push any athletic endeavor and you increase the possibility of injuries. Yates said he could have trained less intense sparing him injury but he would have never been a champion. Innate ability rules but the other factor is a work ethic. Many champions in athletics didn't have the gifts of their opponents but they out worked them. I was bought up reading everything Arthur Jones wrote. I would immediately read anything he just released. I know I have been brain washed to a degree but I always take a set to the ragged edge. Now with age I think it's having a negative effect on my mental well being as I think my CNS is being fried.
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That's pretty cool Old---I too am too pretty...borderline delectable.. to get in a ring.
Going to take a shower with a brillo pad after reading that.
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going to failure or close to failure, always at the edge of your capacity, pushing the limits = higher risk of bad form and using weights beyond your capability.
in other words - higher risk of injury with more intense training.
Wrong. And even if that's true that one gets more sloppy as intensity increases, bad form is still a separate issue from intensity. It is not intensity per se that is the cause of injury. It is very possible to train intensely with impeccable form. I've been doing it for decades and never had a single injury from weight training.
Most injuries occur when the tensile strength of the muscle/tendon is exceeded due to excessive force. This is less likely to occur as intensity increases. Force generated and intensity is inversely proportion during a typical set with good form.
Obviously, trying to handle weights that you are just not capable of handling is always an injury waiting to happen. Demonstrating strength is a whole different category than trying to develop strength.
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Wrong. And even if that's true that one gets more sloppy as intensity increases, bad form is still a separate issue from intensity. It is not intensity per se that is the cause of injury. It is very possible to train intensely with impeccable form. I've been doing it for decades and never had a single injury from weight training.
sigh. giving yourself as an example is pretty stupid isnt it? with the same reasoning you could say "i've been smoking for decades and never had any health issues from it"
Obviously, trying to handle weights that you are just not capable of handling is always an injury waiting to happen.
dude 1: can do 10 reps, stays at 7.
dude 2: need to do 10 reps, 11 if possible. maybe 12? can he do 12? let's find out.
who of the two are trying to handle weights that is he isnt capable of handling?
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Is high volume with lower rep range (6-8) like Bill Pearl recommended better in your opinion than high volume and high reps?
I guess it would depend on the total volume you did.
If you did 20 sets of 12 reps 3x a week for your biceps you'd be more likely to develop tendonitis than if you did 10 sets of 12 reps 2x a week.
And some people would not have a problem with 20 sets of 12 3x a week and some would.
Everybody is different.
One thing that is often ignored is that muscle strength develops faster than connective tissue strength, particulalry for those on steroids. It just takes longer to develop. When muscle strength exceeds connective tissue you get torn pecs, quad tears, biceps tears, torn labrums, etc.
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sigh. giving yourself as an example is pretty stupid isnt it? with the same reasoning you could say "i've been smoking for decades and never had any health issues from it"
dude 1: can do 10 reps, stays at 7.
dude 2: need to do 10 reps, 11 if possible. maybe 12? can he do 12? let's find out.
who of the two are trying to handle weights that is he isnt capable of handling?
No it isnt. Anecdotal examples are not without merit. To go 45 years of weight training without an injury is not just a coincidence.
It's the example that you just presented that is beyond stupid but very typical of your ability to reason.
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No it isnt. Anecdotal examples are not without merit. To go 45 years of weight training without an injury is not just a coincidence.
It's the example that you just presented that is beyond stupid but very typical of your ability to reason.
45 years of "intense training" hasn't put a single inch to your arms.
you're not a very good example of the superiority of intense training.
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45 years of "intense training" hasn't put a single inch to your arms.
you're not a very good example of the superiority of intense training.
wow, fat arse dumbo is lecturing others .......... ::)
yours "expertise'' on getbig is very well documented ............... ::)
8)
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45 years of "intense training" hasn't put a single inch to your arms.
you're not a very good example of the superiority of intense training.
At 59 years old my level of conditioning and athletic ability is at a level you would never be able to achieve. Everyone loses muscle as they get older. Compare me to a lot of pro bodybuilders my age. And, yes, I was much bigger when younger. Bigger than you have ever been. And I never trained as a bodybuilder as I was more focused on athletics which carrying a lot of weight would hinder.
Everything about you suggests someone that is weak-willed, soft, undisciplined, and pussified. You are a prime example of what men have become in our feminized culture.
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And, yes, I was much bigger when younger.
no you wasn't.
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Firas does make an interesting enough argument, but conflating bodybuilding and a skill-based discipline ain't apples to apples. Not to cuss him, but he's of above average build at best...he looks like a dude interested in scrapping, not bodybuilding.
So he can "train" 320 times a year, or whatever...great *rolls eyes* I would love for him to show a bodybuilder under his guidance his results.
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Firas does make an interesting enough argument, but conflating bodybuilding and a skill-based discipline ain't apples to apples. Not to cuss him, but he's of above average build at best...he looks like a dude interested in scrapping, not bodybuilding.
So he can "train" 320 times a year, or whatever...great *rolls eyes* I would love for him to show a bodybuilder under his guidance his results.
Skill based? You have never rolled on the mats. It takes incredible endurance, explosiveness, strength and yes skill. Please walk into your local jui jitsu school with a tight tee shirt showing off your guns and ask to roll with a guy. Hopefully a skinny nothing guy. It will be a humbling experience. Most high level jui jitsu guys are running every day. Doing body weight exercises and some even use weights like Frank Shamrock who picked up guys and slammed them.
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no you wasn't.
Such an uneducated big mouth loser
And yes, I was. It's you that has always been a twink and the reason you don't post any recent pics. You're ashamed of what you look like. And for good reason. I can only imagine the mess you will be when you are my age. Even more so what you would have accomplished in life. All you do is sit day and night on getbig making your assinine comments of every topic. Get a job. Get an education. Get out on your own and support yourself. Do something with your life. Act like a man FFS.
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posting a photo of an ad about vascularity, something that is mostly genetic, isn't exactly proof of you being "much bigger when younger".
the only muscle group you trained with intensity is your calves, and you almost lost your mind in the process (almost is debatable).
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Skill based? You have never rolled on the mats. It takes incredible endurance, explosiveness, strength and yes skill. Please walk into your local jui jitsu school with a tight tee shirt showing off your guns and ask to roll with a guy. Hopefully a skinny nothing guy. It will be a humbling experience. Most high level jui jitsu guys are running every day. Doing body weight exercises and some even use weights like Frank Shamrock who picked up guys and slammed them.
You're right. Poor choice of wording on my part.
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posting a photo of an ad about vascularity, something that is mostly genetic, isn't exactly proof of you being "much bigger when younger".
the only muscle group you trained with intensity is your calves, and you almost lost your mind in the process (almost is debatable).
I was 215 lbs in that ad. Bigger than I am now. Bigger, muscle wise, then you have ever been. There are nine people in my family. I am the only one that has vascularity. I'm the only one that trains with weights.
Connect the dots, loser.
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if bad form is a bad thing, increasing the risk of injury, then we need to get to the bottom of what cause bad form to happen to people who know good form.
the reasonable explanation is that they get physically and/or mentally exhausted which affects their ability to perform good form.
intense training is likely both more physically and mentally demanding compared to less intense training.
conclusion: intense training increase the risk of bad form.
further - since you likely use heavier weights with intense training, the damage if you do hurt yourself due to bad form is greater.
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the veins of paul dillet - genetics or the result of a special diet/supplement/training-routine?
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/ce/73/e1/ce73e13258f96b6a6a263d4b7873fb8c--bodybuilders-muscle.jpg)
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if bad form is a bad thing, increasing the risk of injury, then we need to get to the bottom of what cause bad form to happen to people who know good form.
the reasonable explanation is that they get physically and/or mentally exhausted which affects their ability to perform good form.
intense training is likely both more physically and mentally demanding compared to less intense training.
conclusion: intense training increase the risk of bad form.
further - since you likely use heavier weights with intense training, the damage if you do hurt yourself due to bad form is greater.
I like when an uneducated dummy like you tries to sound logical. Nowadays, people don't know how to lift, do a simple movement, they use poor form when they are fresh and not even close to being fatigue,
Intensity is a separate issue from the amount of resistance use. You can train very intensely with moderate weights.
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the veins of paul dillet - genetics or the result of a special diet/supplement/training-routine?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BwjmxZeJWlu/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet
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I like when an uneducated dummy like you tries to sound logical. Nowadays, people don't know how to lift, do a simple movement, they use poor form when they are fresh and not even close to being fatigue,
Intensity is a separate issue from the amount of resistance use. You can train very intensely with moderate weights.
sure, keep pumping your 12" inch arms with your pink dumbbells and tell yourself you're working out with intensity.
then look in the mirror to see your veins pop, due to genetics, and tell yourself it's because of how hard you push yourself ::)
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sure, keep pumping your 12" inch arms with your pink dumbbells and tell yourself you're working out with intensity.
then look in the mirror to see your veins pop, due to genetics, and tell yourself it's because of how hard you push yourself ::)
U A talking absolute shit, father can be muscular all his life & son can be fat forever ............
Get out & be streetwise ...............
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U A talking absolute shit, father can be muscular all his life & son can be fat forever ............
Get out & be streetwise ...............
"u a" "................." why are you writing like a 12 year old girl? this isnt snapchat
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"u a" "................." why are you writing like a 12 year old girl? this isnt snapchat
why not :D
i am 'jelaous' of your basement , sucks no house basements around here :-\
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sure, keep pumping your 12" inch arms with your pink dumbbells and tell yourself you're working out with intensity.
then look in the mirror to see your veins pop, due to genetics, and tell yourself it's because of how hard you push yourself ::)
It's just so astonishing how liberals lie so effortlessly, the way Leftist like you, conker, Abraham just say things that are demonstrably untrue. That has already been proven untrue. It's like you really believe that if you keep repeating the same lie it will magically appear to be true. I've posted pics of my arms for years. Even though they are nowhere near pro size it's an arm that has distinct muscle development. An arm that doesn't just happen from doing nothing. Compared to yours I make you look like you've never picked up a weight in your life. Granted your pic is old and you could easily post a recent one to prove me wrong but you won't because you know, and everybody else knows, you would be laughed off the board.
You have no appreciable development despite your years of training. That's because you don't have the will and drive to push yourself to a state where you are even slightly uncomfortable. You just pick a weight that you can comfortably do for 8-10 reps. The sit around for 3-4 minutes on your phone, or watching TV, of bull-shitting with others just like you accomplishing nothing in the hour and a half you're there.
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" Even though they are nowhere near pro size it's an arm that has distinct muscle development. An arm that doesn't just happen from doing nothing."
why is it that hollywood women, without 45+ years of "intense" training, have better arms than you?
and didn't you do STEROIDS as well?
cameron diaz
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jennifer lopez doesn't have to do steroids to get arms like these :D
(https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/jlo-biceps-1537980454.jpg?crop=1xw:1xh;center,top&resize=480:*)
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and the women of hollywood also have you beat in the calves department, behold the mighty calves of jessica simpson 8)
(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4324587.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Jessica-Simpson.jpg)
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boom!
the arms of a 115 pound girl!
noomi rapace
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Like I said, lying is just second nature to pussified Liberals like you. Liberals in general. Perfect example right here. Not surprising you don't dare post any recent pics of you.
I know you can do this all day and all night. GetBig is your life. But one day when you hit 40 and you realized you did nothing with your life: no education, no meaningful job skills, no relationships, still living with your parents -- just a long post history on GetBig, well see how cocky and that big mouth sounds then.
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Like I said, lying is just second nature to pussified Liberals like you. Liberals in general. Perfect example right here. Not surprising you don't dare post any recent pics of you.
I know you can do this all day and all night. GetBig is your life. But one day when you hit 40 and you realized you did nothing with your life: no education, no meaningful job skills, no relationships, still living with your parents -- just a long post history on GetBig, well see how cocky and that big mouth sounds then.
A long post history on getbig is actually a great accomplishment!!
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Who?
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A long post history on getbig is actually a great accomplishment!!
Worth more than 20 inch arms for sure!
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boom!
the arms of a 115 pound girl!
noomi rapace
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Loved The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo trilogy.
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Worth more than 20 inch arms for sure!
It’s good to put on a CV!
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U A talking absolute shit, father can be muscular all his life & son can be fat forever ............
Get out & be streetwise ...............
Like Arnold and his fat fuck son Chris
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Agree with this except the last thing you said... Ill quote lee gay priest , theres no overtraing just under eating.... That being said a bber needs 300g of plant based protien at least
It sounds wonderful on paper but it doesn’t work. There is a critical intensity threshold you need to go above to elicit physical adaptation. What is that threshold? For lifting- about 70 % of 1 RM. Varies with the individual. Below that nothing changes.
If you do go above that threshold, changes happen quickly and you don’t need a lot of volume. People push these high volume workouts because they know people don’t like to hurt. With high volume it is the very last sets, when you are getting heavily fatigued, that cause growth. You essentially have pre- exhausted a lot of muscular fibers so the remaining ones go above the threshold to finish the movement.
If you like to spend time in the gym, do volume. If you want to spend as little time working out as possible, do intensity. If you want to get sick and weak, do high volume, high intensity.
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and the women of hollywood also have you beat in the calves department, behold the mighty calves of jessica simpson 8)
(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4324587.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Jessica-Simpson.jpg)
That actually is impressive, but it's pure bullshit to say her calves are better than Pellius'.
Now, pardon me for intruding in this feud, but are you really Rob "240 or Bust?" A simple yes or no would suffice.
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This clown looks like he never trained a hard day in his life.