Firas Zahabi on training intensity

[oldtimer1]

This guy is interesting.

Can't believe Oldtimer knew about him.

Rogan or the fighter?

[Prudence]

Well everybody's heard of Rogan.






Riiiiiiight?

[pellius]

going to failure or close to failure, always at the edge of your capacity, pushing the limits = higher risk of bad form and using weights beyond your capability.

in other words - higher risk of injury with more intense training.

and the rest still stands true - more demanding workout. more time needed for recovery. more soreness.

Most people train using volume which is one of the reasons most people that get injured use volume. People get injured using poor form regardless of intensity. Training hard and training correctly are two separate issues.

Maybe if you actually worked out you would know these things.

[oldtimer1]

Well everybody's heard of Rogan.






Riiiiiiight?

Hard to believe but I had five fights in the ring. Lost my first and won the last four. I quit because I'm way too pretty to let someone punch me in the face.  My two son in laws compete in Jui Jitsu. One is 310lbs and the other looks like the prototype MMA fighter. We watch a lot of  MMA together. I'm the only guy in the room with nice ears compared to their mangled ones. Told you I got out of the fight game quick. I'm still pretty.

[ratherbebig]

Most people train using volume which is one of the reasons most people that get injured use volume. People get injured using poor form regardless of intensity. Training hard and training correctly are two separate issues.

going to failure or close to failure, always at the edge of your capacity, pushing the limits = higher risk of bad form and using weights beyond your capability.

in other words - higher risk of injury with more intense training.

[Prudence]

That's pretty cool Old---I too am too pretty...borderline delectable..  to get in a ring.

[oldtimer1]

Push any athletic endeavor and you increase the possibility of injuries. Yates said he could have trained less intense sparing him injury but he would have never been a champion. Innate ability rules but the other factor is a work ethic. Many champions in athletics didn't have the gifts of their opponents but they out worked them. I was bought up reading everything Arthur Jones wrote. I would immediately read anything he just released. I know I have been brain washed to a degree but I always take a set to the ragged edge. Now with age I think it's having a negative effect on my mental well being as I think my CNS is being fried.  

[oldtimer1]

That's pretty cool Old---I too am too pretty...borderline delectable..  to get in a ring.

Going to take a shower with a brillo pad after reading that.

[pellius]

going to failure or close to failure, always at the edge of your capacity, pushing the limits = higher risk of bad form and using weights beyond your capability.

in other words - higher risk of injury with more intense training.

Wrong. And even if that's true that one gets more sloppy as intensity increases, bad form is still a separate issue from intensity. It is not intensity per se that is the cause of injury. It is very possible to train intensely with impeccable form. I've been doing it for decades and never had a single injury from weight training.

Most injuries occur when the tensile strength of the muscle/tendon is exceeded due to excessive force. This is less likely to occur as intensity increases. Force generated and intensity is inversely proportion during a typical set with good form.

Obviously, trying to handle weights that you are just not capable of handling is always an injury waiting to happen. Demonstrating strength is a whole different category than trying to develop strength.

[ratherbebig]

Wrong. And even if that's true that one gets more sloppy as intensity increases, bad form is still a separate issue from intensity. It is not intensity per se that is the cause of injury. It is very possible to train intensely with impeccable form. I've been doing it for decades and never had a single injury from weight training.

sigh. giving yourself as an example is pretty stupid isnt it? with the same reasoning you could say "i've been smoking for decades and never had any health issues from it"

Obviously, trying to handle weights that you are just not capable of handling is always an injury waiting to happen.

dude 1: can do 10 reps, stays at 7.

dude 2: need to do 10 reps, 11 if possible. maybe 12? can he do 12? let's find out.

who of the two are trying to handle weights that is he isnt capable of handling?

[IroNat]

Is high volume with lower rep range (6-8) like Bill Pearl recommended better in your opinion than high volume and high reps?

I guess it would depend on the total volume you did.

If you did 20 sets of 12 reps 3x a week for your biceps you'd be more likely to develop tendonitis than if you did 10 sets of 12 reps 2x a week.

And some people would not have a problem with 20 sets of 12 3x a week and some would.

Everybody is different.  

One thing that is often ignored is that muscle strength develops faster than connective tissue strength, particulalry for those on steroids.  It just takes longer to develop.  When muscle strength exceeds connective tissue you get torn pecs, quad tears, biceps tears, torn labrums, etc.

[pellius]

sigh. giving yourself as an example is pretty stupid isnt it? with the same reasoning you could say "i've been smoking for decades and never had any health issues from it"

dude 1: can do 10 reps, stays at 7.

dude 2: need to do 10 reps, 11 if possible. maybe 12? can he do 12? let's find out.

who of the two are trying to handle weights that is he isnt capable of handling?

No it isnt. Anecdotal examples are not without merit. To go 45 years of weight training without an injury is not just a coincidence.

It's the example that you just presented that is beyond stupid but very typical of your ability to reason.

[ratherbebig]

No it isnt. Anecdotal examples are not without merit. To go 45 years of weight training without an injury is not just a coincidence.

It's the example that you just presented that is beyond stupid but very typical of your ability to reason.

45 years of "intense training" hasn't put a single inch to your arms.

you're not a very good example of the superiority of intense training.

[IRON CROSS]

45 years of "intense training" hasn't put a single inch to your arms.

you're not a very good example of the superiority of intense training.

wow, fat arse dumbo is lecturing others ..........

yours "expertise'' on getbig is very well documented ...............






 

[pellius]

45 years of "intense training" hasn't put a single inch to your arms.

you're not a very good example of the superiority of intense training.

At 59 years old my level of conditioning and athletic ability is at a level you would never be able to achieve. Everyone loses muscle as they get older. Compare me to a lot of pro bodybuilders my age. And, yes, I was much bigger when younger. Bigger than you have ever been. And I never trained as a bodybuilder as I was more focused on athletics which carrying a lot of weight would hinder.

Everything about you suggests someone that is weak-willed, soft, undisciplined, and pussified. You are a prime example of what men have become in our feminized culture.

[ratherbebig]

And, yes, I was much bigger when younger.

no you wasn't.

[Titus Pullo]

Firas does make an interesting enough argument, but conflating bodybuilding and a skill-based discipline ain't apples to apples.  Not to cuss him, but he's of above average build at best...he looks like a dude interested in scrapping, not bodybuilding.

So he can "train" 320 times a year, or whatever...great *rolls eyes*  I would love for him to show a bodybuilder under his guidance his results.

[oldtimer1]

Firas does make an interesting enough argument, but conflating bodybuilding and a skill-based discipline ain't apples to apples.  Not to cuss him, but he's of above average build at best...he looks like a dude interested in scrapping, not bodybuilding.

So he can "train" 320 times a year, or whatever...great *rolls eyes*  I would love for him to show a bodybuilder under his guidance his results.

Skill based? You have never rolled on the mats. It takes incredible endurance, explosiveness, strength and yes skill. Please walk into your local jui jitsu school with a tight tee shirt showing off your guns and ask to roll with a guy. Hopefully a skinny nothing guy. It will be a humbling experience. Most high level jui jitsu guys are running every day. Doing body weight exercises and some even use weights like Frank Shamrock who picked up guys and slammed them.

[pellius]

no you wasn't.

Such an uneducated big mouth loser

And yes, I was. It's you that has always been a twink and the reason you don't post any recent pics. You're ashamed of what you look like. And for good reason. I can only imagine the mess you will be when you are my age. Even more so what you would have accomplished in life. All you do is sit day and night on getbig making your assinine comments of every topic. Get a job. Get an education. Get out on your own and support yourself. Do something with your life. Act like a man FFS.

[ratherbebig]

posting a photo of an ad about vascularity, something that is mostly genetic, isn't exactly proof of you being "much bigger when younger".

the only muscle group you trained with intensity is your calves, and you almost lost your mind in the process (almost is debatable).

[Titus Pullo]

Skill based? You have never rolled on the mats. It takes incredible endurance, explosiveness, strength and yes skill. Please walk into your local jui jitsu school with a tight tee shirt showing off your guns and ask to roll with a guy. Hopefully a skinny nothing guy. It will be a humbling experience. Most high level jui jitsu guys are running every day. Doing body weight exercises and some even use weights like Frank Shamrock who picked up guys and slammed them.

You're right.  Poor choice of wording on my part.

[pellius]

posting a photo of an ad about vascularity, something that is mostly genetic, isn't exactly proof of you being "much bigger when younger".

the only muscle group you trained with intensity is your calves, and you almost lost your mind in the process (almost is debatable).

I was 215 lbs in that ad. Bigger than I am now. Bigger, muscle wise, then you have ever been. There are nine people in my family. I am the only one that has vascularity. I'm the only one that trains with weights.

Connect the dots, loser.

[ratherbebig]

if bad form is a bad thing, increasing the risk of injury, then we need to get to the bottom of what cause bad form to happen to people who know good form.

the reasonable explanation is that they get physically and/or mentally exhausted which affects their ability to perform good form.

intense training is likely both more physically and mentally demanding compared to less intense training.

conclusion: intense training increase the risk of bad form.

further - since you likely use heavier weights with intense training, the damage if you do hurt yourself due to bad form is greater.

[ratherbebig]

the veins of paul dillet - genetics or the result of a special diet/supplement/training-routine?

[pellius]

if bad form is a bad thing, increasing the risk of injury, then we need to get to the bottom of what cause bad form to happen to people who know good form.

the reasonable explanation is that they get physically and/or mentally exhausted which affects their ability to perform good form.

intense training is likely both more physically and mentally demanding compared to less intense training.

conclusion: intense training increase the risk of bad form.

further - since you likely use heavier weights with intense training, the damage if you do hurt yourself due to bad form is greater.

I like when an uneducated dummy like you tries to sound logical. Nowadays, people don't know how to lift, do a simple movement, they use poor form when they are fresh and not even close to being fatigue,
 
Intensity is a separate issue from the amount of resistance use. You can train very intensely with moderate weights.