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Does this make sense? Curls and tricep extensions worthless? Leg extensions/ leg curls worthless?
http://www.ergo-log.com/anabolic-steroids-single-joint-exercises-training-routine.html
"If bodybuilders already target a muscle with a multi-joint exercise, then it makes little sense to also train this muscle with a single-joint exercise. This also applies to bodybuilders who have been training with weights for years, and also to bodybuilders who use anabolics," report Brazilian sports scientists in the Journal European Journal of Sport Science.
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I trained for years doing no direct arm work following the abbreviated training routines stuart mcrobert was putting out, arms lagged seriously bad without any direct work adding in curls, pushdowns bb extensions ect made a massive difference .
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Does this make sense? Curls and tricep extensions worthless? Leg extensions/ leg curls worthless?
Just another confirmation how useless is biceps supinator machine ;D
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Brazilian scientist... ::) Faulty study. 30 people leads to too much variation. And also they should only target one muscle group to make the study more specific and precise.
Need to have thousands of test subjects. Ie. 1000 people test subjects doing exclusive multijoint excercise, 1000 test subjects doing single joint excersices. And then compare bicep measurements before/after study. Diet being the same for all people in the group. Rep range the same. Exact same conditions for all test subjects.
Ex. one test of 1000 people group doing pullups Only.
One group of 1000 people doing concentration curls, hammer curls, wide grip curls, close grip curls.
Then after 3 months, compare bicep measurement before/after.
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Just another confirmation how useless is biceps supinator machine ;D
You beat SF to it.
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Basically I question the scientists knowlage/real-world-experience in targeting the arms muscles in single joint excersises to make this study valid.
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Brazilian scientist... ::) Faulty study. 30 people leads to too much variation. And also they should only target one muscle group to make the study more specific and precise.
Need to have thousands of test subjects. Ie. 1000 people test subjects doing exclusive multijoint excercise, 1000 test subjects doing single joint excersices. And then compare bicep measurements before/after study. Diet being the same for all people in the group. Rep range the same. Exact same conditions for all test subjects.
Ex. one test of 1000 people group doing pullups Only.
One group of 1000 people doing concentration curls, hammer curls, wide grip curls, close grip curls.
Then after 3 months, compare bicep measurement before/after.
This. It's amazing what passes for science these days.
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Many useless exercises, tricep kick-backs, tricep rope extensions, etc.
Many with no muscle do these useless things.
For a BB who has huge mass there already, and getting ready for a show, OK, they may help w/ some detail.
For twinks trying to put on mass, useless stuff. Close grip bench, nose-breakers, etc. That will build mass.
Rope push-downs = the ghey.
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Brazilian study? It’s automatically skewed as half the test group injected oil and lifted nothing
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You beat SF to it.
:D ;D
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Standing curls is a multi-joint exercise.
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In Kommiefornia this title takes on an entirely different meaning. Not for me, but for a large part of the poopulation. Loadies.
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Right now, as we post, Vince B.'s arms are getting huger.
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I look at it like this. Multiple joint exercises are the best. The body does nothing in isolation athletically. A power clean and jerk is the king of weight lifting exercises if you want to increase you capabilities in the majority of athletic events. Isolation is a supplement to a multiple joint exercise so they have their role. The worst thing you can do if you are an athlete is to try to isolate various muscles thinking they will work better as a whole. Bill Starr who was one of the original NFL strength coaches said the core for a football player should be the power clean, pressing motion like a bench or military press and a squat. Anything else is a supplement and extra.
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I look at it like this. Multiple joint exercises are the best. The body does nothing in isolation athletically. A power clean and jerk is the king of weight lifting exercises if you want to increase you capabilities in the majority of athletic events. Isolation is a supplement to a multiple joint exercise so they have their role. The worst thing you can do if you are an athlete is to try to isolate various muscles thinking they will work better as a whole. Bill Starr who was one of the original NFL strength coaches said the core for a football player should be the power clean, pressing motion like a bench or military press and a squat. Anything else is a supplement and extra.
This. Good post.
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The study said the subjects did not become stronger, but bodybuilders do single joint exercises for aesthetic reasons as well. So you can’t just make the statement that they’re useless.
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(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d6/28/3b/d6283bf7a56941959a4a11959ac5cf86.jpg)
This man disagrees. Gee, I wonder who I should listen to: Franco Columbu or "brazilian scientists".
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Franco was Brazilian? :o
Great pic.
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Does this make sense? Curls and tricep extensions worthless? Leg extensions/ leg curls worthless?
http://www.ergo-log.com/anabolic-steroids-single-joint-exercises-training-routine.html
"If bodybuilders already target a muscle with a multi-joint exercise, then it makes little sense to also train this muscle with a single-joint exercise. This also applies to bodybuilders who have been training with weights for years, and also to bodybuilders who use anabolics," report Brazilian sports scientists in the Journal European Journal of Sport Science.
I think they have their terminology a little different than ours. Very little about bodybuilding-type training is multi-joint anyway and mostly single joint/isolation. The training of Athletes on the other hand is almost all multi-joint and it only makes sense since the human body works multi-planar multi-joint. Study seems backwards
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Compound lifts for the win!!
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I look at it like this. Multiple joint exercises are the best. The body does nothing in isolation athletically. A power clean and jerk is the king of weight lifting exercises if you want to increase you capabilities in the majority of athletic events. Isolation is a supplement to a multiple joint exercise so they have their role. The worst thing you can do if you are an athlete is to try to isolate various muscles thinking they will work better as a whole. Bill Starr who was one of the original NFL strength coaches said the core for a football player should be the power clean, pressing motion like a bench or military press and a squat. Anything else is a supplement and extra.
The point of lifting weights for team sports is to simply improve general strength.
A good example was the steroid era in baseball. Guys like Maguire were into bodybuilding. They did the basic movements. Took some gear. As a result, they were able to hit the ball father. Home run totals increased.
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For twinks trying to put on mass, useless stuff. Close grip bench, nose-breakers, etc. That will build mass.
Rope push-downs = the ghey.
I agree, a lot of these guys will do super isolated excercises 5-6 days a week and generate nothing in muscular size and strength.
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I just read a study that says Brazilian studies are worthless.
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I look at it like this. Multiple joint exercises are the best. The body does nothing in isolation athletically. A power clean and jerk is the king of weight lifting exercises if you want to increase you capabilities in the majority of athletic events. Isolation is a supplement to a multiple joint exercise so they have their role. The worst thing you can do if you are an athlete is to try to isolate various muscles thinking they will work better as a whole. Bill Starr who was one of the original NFL strength coaches said the core for a football player should be the power clean, pressing motion like a bench or military press and a squat. Anything else is a supplement and extra.
Also a great program for a typical guy.
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Brazilian study? It’s automatically skewed as half the test group injected oil and lifted nothing
Yeah, they lost me at Brazil and science.
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Brazilian scientist... ::) Faulty study. 30 people leads to too much variation. And also they should only target one muscle group to make the study more specific and precise.
Need to have thousands of test subjects. Ie. 1000 people test subjects doing exclusive multijoint excercise, 1000 test subjects doing single joint excersices. And then compare bicep measurements before/after study. Diet being the same for all people in the group. Rep range the same. Exact same conditions for all test subjects.
Ex. one test of 1000 people group doing pullups Only.
One group of 1000 people doing concentration curls, hammer curls, wide grip curls, close grip curls.
Then after 3 months, compare bicep measurement before/after.
Good luck finding a study of that magnitude. Many barriers to conducting such research.
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Good luck finding a study of that magnitude. Many barriers to conducting such research.
Single joint movements are almost always done from a position of bad leverage , and,
as a result, you can’t use much weight. Hard to see how they would make you stronger.
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Single joint movements are almost always done from a position of bad leverage , and,
as a result, you can’t use much weight. Hard to see how they would make you stronger.
Probably don't.
I do single joint movements because I am not really training for ultimate strength.
Nonetheless, conducting a study with 1000+ participants, while controlling for all those variables, would be very tough. Researchers are probably working within the parameters of their own constraints.
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Compound lifts for the win!!
Kettlebell swing ;)
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Probably don't.
I do single joint movements because I am not really training for ultimate strength.
Just like SEATING & training biceps on supinator machinery ;D
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You beat SF to it.
LMAO!! ;D ;D
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Just like SEATING & training biceps on supinator machinery ;D
If you train on the Bicep Supination Machine enough times, you eventually transform into a real life transformer
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=366640.0;attach=595415;image)
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its hardly news that excercises like tricep pulley and leg exstensions are neither strength nor mass builders
i use them or variations of them as a warm up sometimes and for that they might be beneficial but i certainly dont expect them to make a significant difference to my physique.
charles glass may think different.
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If you train on the Bicep Supination Machine enough times, you eventually transform into a real life transformer
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=366640.0;attach=595415;image)
Just like those 'Star Trek' cyborgs :P
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I think you get more out of pronating a.k.a. hammer curls. You might not get the bicep peak but you get the brachioradialis development that you won’t get from supinating. It’s easier on your wrists as well.
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I think you get more out of pronating a.k.a. hammer curls. You might not get the bicep peak but you get the brachioradialis development that you won’t get from supinating. It’s easier on your wrists as well.
I just started doing Hammer Curls a couple of weeks ago. In well over 4 decades of weight training I have never done them but I can say that I prefer them to the standard DB curls because they don't HURT. I only do 6 total sets once or twice a week and that's including warmup sets. ;D
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I just started doing Hammer Curls a couple of weeks ago. In well over 4 decades of weight training I have never done them but I can say that I prefer them to the standard DB curls because they don't HURT. I only do 6 total sets once or twice a week and that's including warmup sets. ;D
imagine if you wouldve done hammercurls instead for 40 years.
but to imagine that we first need to imagine you having a brain.
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its hardly news that excercises like tricep pulley and leg exstensions are neither strength nor mass builders
i use them or variations of them as a warm up sometimes and for that they might be beneficial but i certainly dont expect them to make a significant difference to my physique.
charles glass may think different.
What is the point of leg extensions? Going on the stationary bike would give a better warm-up without putting massive stress on the knee joint.
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imagine if you wouldve done hammercurls instead for 40 years.
but to imagine that we first need to imagine you having a brain.
You are such a smart ass, I bet you could sit on a one gallon tub of ice cream and tell us all what flavor it is, huh? Such a clever lad you are.
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What is the point of leg extensions? Going on the stationary bike would give a better warm-up without putting massive stress on the knee joint.
thats how it starts.
one minute youre sitting on the stationary bike, the next youre riding a dick.
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Does this make sense? Curls and tricep extensions worthless? Leg extensions/ leg curls worthless?
http://www.ergo-log.com/anabolic-steroids-single-joint-exercises-training-routine.html
"If bodybuilders already target a muscle with a multi-joint exercise, then it makes little sense to also train this muscle with a single-joint exercise. This also applies to bodybuilders who have been training with weights for years, and also to bodybuilders who use anabolics," report Brazilian sports scientists in the Journal European Journal of Sport Science.
POPPYCOCK !!
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for arms, big arms I am a fan of 1000s of reps, tons of posings, constant blood flow
for big leg legs/back it is different - hence for arms if you want them grow... do tons of reps.... feeders please :)
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I did a couple of sets of db curls last week.
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I did a couple of sets of db curls last week.
you wasted several minutes!!!
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I don't think the study is saying that single joint exercise is worthless per se. I think it's saying that if you are doing compound movements then isolation movements are unnecessary.
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Jason Blaha said isolation tricep exercises should be avoided until you can close grip bench 405 pounds.
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Jason Blaha said isolation tricep exercises should be avoided until you can close grip bench 405 pounds.
Whatever happened to that guy?
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Single joint movements are almost always done from a position of bad leverage , and,
as a result, you can’t use much weight. Hard to see how they would make you stronger.
You qualify as a broscientist with that statement.
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You qualify as a broscientist with that statement.
STFU Basile! Stay out of my threads. No one wants to hear your same old condescending "bro science everyone is an expert" refrain. You have no credibility on this board. You're a conceited, self-important, fat clown that no one takes seriously and just mocks and ridicules.
Seriously, fatso, just go before things start to get really ugly -- again?
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STFU Basile! Stay out of my threads. No one wants to hear your same old condescending "bro science everyone is an expert" refrain. You have no credibility on this board. You're a conceited, self-important, fat clown that no one takes seriously and just mocks and ridicules.
Seriously, fatso, just go before things start to get really ugly -- again?
Philip Gilkey is a real dickhead.
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Makes sense.... I mean 78.5% of all statistics are made up so....
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Philip Gilkey is a real dickhead.
Boo-Hoo, Wah, Wah, Wah...
Again you insert your contemptible fat ass into a thread insulting somebody and cry like an old phaggot when it comes back to you.
Looks like you've recovered from the beating I gave you the last time and have crawled back like a cockroach ready for more.
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Boo-Hoo, Wah, Wah, Wah...
Again you insert your contemptible fat ass into a thread insulting somebody and cry like an old phaggot when it comes back to you.
Looks like you've recovered from the beating I gave you the last time and have crawled back like a cockroach ready for more.
Pellious I am little bit curios, but at what age some oldies like 'safety fat' go cuckoo :P
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STFU Basile! Stay out of my threads. No one wants to hear your same old condescending "bro science everyone is an expert" refrain. You have no credibility on this board. You're a conceited, self-important, fat clown that no one takes seriously and just mocks and ridicules.
Seriously, fatso, just go before things start to get really ugly -- again?
( o, dear lord he'll start crying about his phone bill again ;D)
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( o, dear lord he'll start crying about his phone bill again ;D)
LOL. I remember him complaining about how you made him waste some of his "data plan".
What a loser. And I'm the one living in a van.
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Whatever happened to that guy?
Still weaponsmithing and cranking out videos as far as I can tell.
I don't know too much about his personal life but I always thought his philosophy on training was pretty spot on.
Get really good at the compounds and avoid injuries. So much of what you see in the gym now is a complete waste of time.
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thats how it starts.
one minute youre sitting on the stationary bike, the next youre riding a dick.
???
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You qualify as a broscientist with that statement.
So, genius, explain to us why you can’t use as much weight on side lateral raises as you can on dumbbell presses.
Funny how across the board, whether it be tricep extensions, leg extensions, flyes, you can’t seem to use as much weight on those exercises as you can on the compound movements.
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???
haha
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Behold, the man who calls out other people's "broscience."
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=146902.0;attach=163489;image)
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big dude for sure!
i bet he could make a lot of money on gay dating sites if he made an account called "Big hairy daddy"
maybe even women would be interested.
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Broscience is term used mainly by former personal trainers who discovered that the job had no room for advancement. So, they went back to school and got a degree in a field for which there is no demand in the marketplace.
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So, genius, explain to us why you can’t use as much weight on side lateral raises as you can on dumbbell presses.
Funny how across the board, whether it be tricep extensions, leg extensions, flyes, you can’t seem to use as much weight on those exercises as you can on the compound movements.
Don't forget how Safety Fat constantly criticizes Coach for his "bro science" and considers himself an expert and more knowledgeable than Coach even though Coach has been very successful. And here we see Coach put his theories to the test on himself and his transformation has been incredible. Something fatso Basile keeps trying and keeps failing.
How that delusional tub of blubber has the chutzpah to keep showing his bloated face on this board just proves that he has no shame and no sense of self awareness.
Please Basile, for everyone's sake, especially your own, just go. Just go away.
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Don't forget how Safety Fat constantly criticizes Coach for his "bro science" and considers himself an expert and more knowledgeable than Coach even though Coach has been very successful. And here we see Coach put his theories to the test on himself and his transformation has been incredible. Something fatso Basile keeps trying and keeps failing.
How that delusional tub of blubber has the chutzpah to keep showing his bloated face on this board just proves that he has no shame and no sense of self awareness.
Please Basile, for everyone's sake, especially your own, just go. Just go away.
Vince is essentially the Rube Goldberg of bodybuilding, coming up with incredibly complex machines to perform the simple task of bending one’s arm. Hell, every alcoholic is proficient in bicep curls with no training whatsoever.🍺🍺
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LOL. I remember him complaining about how you made him waste some of his "data plan".
What a loser. And I'm the one living in a van.
The Only Good News is: his 88yo girlfriend LAURIE2 don't mail me anymore :-\ :-\ :-\
;D
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The Only Good News is: his 88yo girlfriend LAURIE2 don't mail me anymore :-\ :-\ :-\
;D
why do you have this sick obsession with vince? ive never seen anything like it. ive heard about stalkers but thats from what i understand mostly guys into stalking girls or celebrities. why would you stalk and be obsessed with some old guy on a msg board? i dont expect you to know the answer to this question, not sure there is one, just as with many people with a mental illness they just dont know why they have it, or even that they have it...
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why do you have this sick obsession with vince? ive never seen anything like it. ive heard about stalkers but thats from what i understand mostly guys into stalking girls or celebrities. why would you stalk and be obsessed with some old guy on a msg board? i dont expect you to know the answer to this question, not sure there is one, just as with many people with a mental illness they just dont know why they have it, or even that they have it...
He is being paid and has been paid to harass me and try to prove I don't tell the truth, especially about Arnold. He admitted he is being paid. Nothing else makes sense.
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So, genius, explain to us why you can’t use as much weight on side lateral raises as you can on dumbbell presses.
Funny how across the board, whether it be tricep extensions, leg extensions, flyes, you can’t seem to use as much weight on those exercises as you can on the compound movements.
Do you honestly expect me to debate someone who posts utter nonsense like you do?
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Right now, as we post, Vince B.'s arms are getting huger.
Hmmmm maybe yes
Only Not As Huger as His Safety Fat Percentage
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Hmmmm maybe yes
Only Not As Huger as His Safety Fat Percentage
are you surprised that he doesnt have the same bodyfat as when he competed?
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He is being paid and has been paid to harass me and try to prove I don't tell the truth, especially about Arnold. He admitted he is being paid. Nothing else makes sense.
Who would pay someone to harass you ???
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Who would pay someone to harass you ???
You know how important Vince is? At least Vince knows how important he is.
Vince can easily put a stop to this money business by not posting here anymore so he can't be harassed. But that would make too much sense.