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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Ron on July 16, 2019, 10:03:00 AM
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Interesting rant by Olympia favorite William Bonac today on Instagram as he is heading to the Olympia...
Excerpts from his statement... Do you agree?
I have stopped working with my coach from today on... I am better off alone for sure....
Different thinking --- to me, I think it is about money
Some people just want to make money over you... a lot of people like the spotlight with you, and some people like to pretend they care,
Remember, all the work that is being done is you, not your coach...
Especially, not went you get 40% of my winnings, yes 40%! But I stopped that, talked to him, and it went to 20% but then things changed.
If there is somebody that I need to pay money too, it is my trainer. He is the one that is putting in time in the gym with me, day after day.
But my coach... he justs writes somethings, and every few days asks me what is my weight.... what the fuck has my weight have to do with this?
I am a loyal person, but there comes to a point that I have to think about my family as well...
If you talk about another champion like that, how would you talk about me behind my back...
This champion made your name, you were living in India before that...
I have lost all my respect for you now
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who's his coach?
40% seems much.
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who's his coach?
40% seems much.
Most of these guys are like basketball players not to bright end up blowing there money away and not much business sense ..
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Just saw that, are you kidding me?? 40% of his winnings, plus his bonus to tell him to eat chicken and rice? This coaching shit is out of control. He showed his house, saying he's living in a shithole, while Neil is living in a $3,000 apartment in Florida. He made a great point saying if he should be paying anyone it should be his training partner, they are the ones in the gym doing the work.
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39% tops!
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39% tops!
BONAC--OK COACH ITS 20%
COACH-- 35%
BONAC-- NOPE 25%
COACH-- 36%
BONAC- NO NO NOPE 27%
COACH-- 20%
BONAC-- OK OK 39% THATS IT
COACH -- SUCKER
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Neil responded and said it was 20% on prize money and bonuses. Also said williem spent too much money on weed and hash (legal in holland)
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Bonac probably paid what was necessary to get some new information about “supplements”
Once Bonac acquired that info. He decided to drop Hill. Hill was no longer needed.
That is just my opinion.
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Bonac probably paid what was necessary to get some new information about “supplements”
Once Bonac acquired that info. He decided to drop Hill. Hill was no longer needed.
That is just my opinion.
After 7 years?
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takes time to process information!
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takes time to process information!
Translation -- hes a fuckin idiot
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After 7 years?
Well he was paying all that time for a reason... and the info that Bonac needed wasn’t about chicken and rice.
Either Hill had lost his drug connections or Hill no longer offered Bonac anything new in drug knowledge
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Think of all the money Dorian and Lee Haney saved not having a coach.
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After 7 years?
He's a slow learner.
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Why are you so emotional out of nowhere?
https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=644927.0
Not at all these guys are just plain stupid or naïve they lived there whole lives in the gym and have no idea how the real world works ..sad really
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By himself? He’ll find out how valuable Neil is when he doesn’t place where he thinks he should
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By himself? He’ll find out how valuable Neil is when he doesn’t place where he thinks he should
This post just cost bonac 5% bill him coach
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does this mean we can count bonac out of the mr olympia as well? along with rhoden and heath
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Hmm...is Ron low-key making fun of Hebrew mathematics with that picture? ;D Jk.
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does this mean we can count bonac out of the mr olympia as well? along with rhoden and heath
Thing is he had a 5th place finish and hes still young
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If he in fact said this about his ex-client, one would think that his "coaching" days are over. How can anyone trust him?
Neil responded and said it was 20% on prize money and bonuses. Also said williem spent too much money on weed and hash (legal in holland)
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Neil responded and said it was 20% on prize money and bonuses. Also said williem spent too much money on weed and hash (legal in holland)
Neil is a piece of shit for saying this, young William can spend as much of his income on weed as he likes it is of no concern of his
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Neil is a piece of shit for saying this, young William can spend as much of his income on weed as he likes it is of no concern of his
no only 60%
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This post just cost bonac 5% bill him coach
Hahahaha! - legit LOL ;D
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Neil is a piece of shit for saying this, young William can spend as much of his income on weed as he likes it is of no concern of his
Well Bonac seemed to have a huge problem with Neil renting a $3000 a month property in Florida, so then why can't Neil have a problem with what williem does with his money?
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Think of all the money Dorian and Lee Haney saved not having a coach.
The coaches most likely give reliable drug connections.
Haney was during the golden era when you could get legit gear from doctors, so he didn't need a guru.
Dorian had the best drug suppliers in the UK, as temple gym was a hub for roid dealing our noble sport.
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I left my coach in El Segundo
Left my coach in El Segundo
Left my coach in El Segundo
I gotta get him, I got-got ta get him
Left my coach in El Segundo
I gotta get him, I got-got ta get him
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Well Bonac seemed to have a huge problem with Neil renting a $3000 a month property in Florida, so then why can't Neil have a problem with what williem does with his money?
Neil isn’t paying Williams wages
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Just saw that, are you kidding me?? 40% of his winnings, plus his bonus to tell him to eat chicken and rice? This coaching shit is out of control. He showed his house, saying he's living in a shithole, while Neil is living in a $3,000 apartment in Florida. He made a great point saying if he should be paying anyone it should be his training partner, they are the ones in the gym doing the work.
Anyone paying 3,000 usd a month in rent seems like a waste of money to me....
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Neil isn’t paying Williams wages
Neither is Bonac paying Neils wages. They share prize money. One gets 80% and one gets 20%. Neil also pointed out that the cut he takes is completely tax deductible for Bonac, so if he wasn't taking it the tax man would.
Bonac seemed more upset that Neil was living better than him for doing very little. Fair argument, but how is that Neils fault?
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neil should be doing more.
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Neither is Bonac paying Neils wages. They share prize money. One gets 80% and one gets 20%. Neil also pointed out that the cut he takes is completely tax deductible for Bonac, so if he wasn't taking it the tax man would.
Bonac seemed more upset that Neil was living better than him for doing very little. Fair argument, but how is that Neils fault?
Yes they share Williams prize money so technically William is paying his wages
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Yes they share Williams prize money so technically William is paying his wages
Neil gets paid nothing if william doesn't win any prize money even if he has spent 1000s of hours coaching him.
Wage. noun
noun: wage; plural noun: wages
1.
a fixed regular payment earned for work or services, typically paid on a daily or weekly basis.
Technically you're wrong.
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Neil is a piece of shit for saying this, young William can spend as much of his income on weed as he likes it is of no concern of his
Neil has to retaliate especially if the 40% isn't true, and call William out on his spending since he is calling him out on Neil. Stupidity on bonacs part to call him and fire him out now just so close to olympia prep. if bonac can crack top 5 on his own, then he was better off without neil, if he can win the O, then he can make up any allegation about neil including rape, and people have to take him seriously. If he can't crack top 5, then just a dumb thug that got too greedy and selfish, then needs to retire ASAP
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Neil gets paid nothing if william doesn't win any prize money even if he has spent 1000s of hours coaching him.
Wage. noun
noun: wage; plural noun: wages
1.
a fixed regular payment earned for work or services, typically paid on a daily or weekly basis.
Technically you're wrong.
Perhaps my choice words was wrong and wage wasn’t the best choice, I’ve been self employed most my life and get paid at the end of each completed job but still look at it as earning a wage, either way it’s young handsome Williams money lining his pockets, he has no business questioning how William spends his money yet you are also correct that it’s none of Williams business how Neil spends his money
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Again, if it really is 20% and not 40%, then Bonac words on anything should lose every credibility, any way to confirm what the percentage really is?
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how much are the pro's that have trained their whole lives paying Charles Glass to follow them around Golds Gym and count there reps or create some amazing angle. fucking stupid.
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Perhaps my choice words was wrong and wage wasn’t the best choice, I’ve been self employed most my life and get paid at the end of each completed job but still look at it as earning a wage, either way it’s young handsome Williams money lining his pockets, he has no business questioning how William spends his money yet you are also correct that it’s none of Williams business how Neil spends his money
Well it's like you consulting a technical expert in order for you to complete all your job and you agreeing to pay them 20% of every job you do.
In Neils defence Bonac went after him first, but the weed/hash comment was pretty petty.
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Again, if it really is 20% and not 40%, then Bonac words on anything should lose every credibility, any way to confirm what the percentage really is?
Neil said he is willing to show evidence on all his claims if needed. He'd prefer to communicate directly with Bonac to hash this all out though.
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Well it's like you consulting a technical expert in order for you to complete all your job and you agreeing to pay them 20% of every job you do.
In Neils defence Bonac went after him first, but the weed/hash comment was pretty petty.
I don’t actually like William as he looks like a squashed turd and his hair is disgusting , my first post was made in jest and felt like I had to stand by what I said for at least a few posts
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If it’s true about what he said about Neil it was unprofessionally handled wrong on both ends.
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If it’s true about what he said about Neil it was unprofessionally handled wrong on both ends.
coach, do you think 40% of prize money is a lot?
as he's not getting a wage so he's taking a risk.
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coach, do you think 40% of prize money is a lot?
as he's not getting a wage so he's taking a risk.
Didn’t Neal say he takes 20%? Someone is lying, no?
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Some of these pansy bodybuilders should go out and get real jobs, then they will be more appreciative on what opportunity they were actually given before
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So much drama in bbing lately hahaha ;D
First rhoden (coach’s buddy :D)
Then this piece of shit jeremy buendia (coach’s buddy :D)
Now boner
What’s next? Curry in the Middle East doing g4p with Arabs
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So much drama in bbing lately hahaha ;D
First rhoden
Then this piece of shit jeremy buendia (coach’s buddy :D)
Now boner
What’s next? Curry in the Middle East doing g4p with Arabs
don't forget juan morel
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So $48,000 to Neil just from his Arnold victory alone. Get the fuck out of here. Farah is $5,000 a year.
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don't forget juan morel
Yes, a man with morals and good ethic, that Juan guy...
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Didn’t Neal say he takes 20%? Someone is lying, no?
I was just trying to sucker you into a joke about handling my olympia prep for 30% of my prize money :D
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So much drama in bbing lately hahaha ;D
First rhoden (coach’s buddy :D)
Then this piece of shit jeremy buendia (coach’s buddy :D)
Now boner
What’s next? Curry in the Middle East doing g4p with Arabs
Your almost more of a troll than SF and about as knowledgeable
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So $48,000 to Neil just from his Arnold victory alone. Get the fuck out of here. Farah is $5,000 a year.
Thats pretty much the only comp bonac competes in, that and the O
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Your almost more of a troll than SF and about as knowledgeable
What did I post that wasn’t accurate though? ;D
Watch the jeremy vid, a known drug dealer who got caught selling gear to a undercover cop, snitched out everyone and quickly moved from the Bay Area to SoCal, cause he was about to get his ass killed, a well known abuser of women, known in the industry as a piece of shit for years
Rhoden, now on bail, alleged rape case pending....
The drama unfolds
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who's his coach?
40% seems much.
& who is coaching U, Anabolichalo ?......................
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What did I post that wasn’t accurate though? ;D
Watch the jeremy vid, a known drug dealer who got caught selling gear to a undercover cop, snitched out everyone and quickly moved from the Bay Area to SoCal, cause he was about to get his ass killed, a well known abuser of women, known in the industry as a piece of shit for years
Rhoden, now on bail, alleged rape case pending....
The drama unfolds
Coach’s “Buddy” what makes him my “buddy?
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Did Arnold have a coach ???
GEEZUS!!
Train,eat,rest,repeat !!
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Did Arnold have a coach ???
GEEZUS!!
Train,eat,rest,repeat !!
Science was in the dark ages in Arnold’s day mate, these days miscalculating the ratio of p/c/f on each fork full of food can mean the difference between rape fuelled Olympia glory and pathetic failure
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Did Arnold have a coach ???
GEEZUS!!
Train,eat,rest,repeat !!
uncle joe??
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2c/ae/70/2cae702642147d99909c4c05d6432119.jpg)
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Did Arnold have a coach ???
GEEZUS!!
Train,eat,rest,repeat !!
Neither did Dorian
Kind of takes away the Little "sport" part that was when they just act like robots with commands from a master :-\
what a fucking joke these bodybuilders are today. Pincushion robots...
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Did Arnold have a coach ???
GEEZUS!!
Train,eat,rest,repeat !!
Thank you.
Some of these so called guru's talk like they are rocket scientists. This guy has become a long winded prima dona.
Yoda lol
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Bonac is a jackass. Bringing up the guys rent? Maybe make some better financial choices buddy.
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uncle joe??
Arnold was already 3 X Nabba Mr.Universe when he met J.W. ;)
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Damn, I just watched the whole vid, for being #5 in the world, that is pretty pathetic!! Definity needs to make better financial choices, if he was paying his coach 40%, then fuck neil, this vid is cringe-worthy knowing that it maybe true
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Matt Jansen charges like $400 per month for "coaching" and has been known to only communicate with his client once per month. Again we should be smart enough to know when we are being hustled
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That $48,000 he paid Neil for his Arnold win, he could of paid for his future Olympia cycles for the next 4-5 years.
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watched the video... I don't get it. It took him 6 years to figure out he was being hustled?
a fool and his money...
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watched the video... I don't get it. It took him 6 years to figure out he was being hustled?
a fool and his money...
Are you insinuating that all blacks are fools?
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Science was in the dark ages in Arnold’s day mate, these days miscalculating the ratio of p/c/f on each fork full of food can mean the difference between rape fuelled Olympia glory and pathetic failure
Henda,you`re a funny fucker my friend! LOL ;D
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uncle joe??
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2c/ae/70/2cae702642147d99909c4c05d6432119.jpg)
Joe was a magazine publisher,and Arnold sold the mags.
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Neither did Dorian
Kind of takes away the Little "sport" part that was when they just act like robots with commands from a master :-\
what a fucking joke these bodybuilders are today. Pincushion robots...
Total jokes IMO.
Don`t they know their bodies and how they respond by now ?
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Thank you.
Some of these so called guru's talk like they are rocket scientists. This guy has become a long winded prima dona.
Yoda lol
No shit huh?
Did Dave Mass rely on some guru.............HELL NO!
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Hope this helps although I doubt it
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Neil Hill responds - but will try to get some of the highlights in text form later on...
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Hope this helps although I doubt it
Why don’t you become a “coach” in the industry? With your connections and all these bbers being idiots you can surely take 40 percent of their earnings and be a force to reckon with
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Here is a synopsis of what Neil responded back to William Bonac's earlier Instagram video of him firing and his accusations...
Neil said that when he talked to Bonac, Bonac was living in his car, and did not have money nor sponsors. Neil said he would get Bonac some sponsors, and he would train him, realizing his potential to become a top pro bodybuilder. Neil got him his sponsors, for 20% of his prize money and 20% of your bonus money, which is similar to a lot of other coaches in the industy. Bonac was extremely happy with his arrangement. Neil was not taking any payments in between, when he was prepping him. When he started with him, he was a second rate pro. With working with Neil, in their first pro show together, Bonac placed second.
More excerpts....
I never took 40% of anything from him, I took 20% and that took place for 2-3 years. Everything he paid me was a tax deductible expense. He was a professional athlete for professional services. This is not cash, this is a legitimate payment for tax purposes.
I feel that it is my choice that I have the right to charge for my passion and expertise. If you feel that my charges are not affordable for you, or can't justify that fee, it is not a problem. Everyone sees value in different things. I should not have to justify to anyone where I want to spend my money, that is my choice.
William lies a lot. Last years, William wanted only to pay me 20% prize money, but not 20% bonus money. And that was fine with me. I did put up a hugh amount of time and expertise into William. I always want whats best for William, and I won't be vindictive because of a moment in time. What William put out there was very far from the truth.
I work really, put time into my coaching, my writing, a lot of time and passion and emotion into what I do. I don't drive a fancy car, William has a nice Mercedes. I don't smoke weed or hash, why does it matter with the cost of my living have anything to do with it. I pay my bills off my hard work with what I do.
I didn't come to talk negatively about William or anybody. Have I been frustrated with my relationship with Flex sometimes, yes, and vice versa. I wrote William's plan for the Olympia maybe 18 weeks, but William has not been following the meals or the protocal.
So what does body weight have to do with anything? It allows you to take something, a small part, away from your viewpoint when it comes to diet. The perfect diet is where you are able to build muscle tissue and lose body fat at the same time. It is very easy for some people to over diet. If you lose 15+ pounds in four weeks, it gives me an indication that you may also be losing muscle tissue. William does not measure his body fat. So monitoring his body weight gives me something to work on.
William sent him some pictures recently and it is hard for me to form an opionion because the lighting is different. There were a lot of areas in his physique that was hidden because the lighting wasnt good. I tend to get from William a lot sarcastic messages. I am showing you pics from each week with the lighting of the pics very different. So I said to him that the lighting is very different so hard to get an opinion. I also have not made any changes to Williams plan in the last couple of weeks as long as he was following it.
Williams talks a lot of negativity about a lot of really elite athletes in the industry. William has a falling out with Shawn Rhoden, Dexter Jackson, Cedric McMillian, and somebody else.
The reason this happened today because William just wanted to have a business relationship with him, not personal, whereas before, I had a good relationship. The change comes from William. William comes from a past where things where not always perfect with his life. He has a dark past.
I beleive that William has the ability to win the Olympia. I really hope that he does. I do beleive that it is going to be an extremely competitive battle up there. There are a number of athletes that have a real shot at winning the title. I wish them all the very best.
The video from Neil responding...
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"He has a dark past".....of criminal activity? The vast majority of people in Dutch jails are from North-Africa, the Middle East and blacks
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Kai just moved up a place.
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I remember when Bonac wanted to fight Luimarco
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Did Arnold have a coach ???
GEEZUS!!
Train,eat,rest,repeat !!
Arnold was smarter than the entire 2019 olympia line up. He just followed free advice from Reg Park
Whose advice is still as valid today, as it was in 1967
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Are you insinuating that all blacks are fools?
Research shows most have a lower IQ and EQ than average. Always realise that in dealing with such people
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So $48,000 to Neil just from his Arnold victory alone. Get the fuck out of here. Farah is $5,000 a year.
It was a no cure no pay deal imo
Had Bonac finished 16th, his coach would have earned zero. He had no fixed salary
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"He has a dark past".....of criminal activity? The vast majority of people in Dutch jails are from North-Africa, the Middle East and blacks
Just more of your typical priviledged white european racism ::)
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Boner’s a chocolate face, correct?
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Boner’s a chocolate face, correct?
and here we have even MORE hateful racism, folks.
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Just more of your typical priviledged white european racism ::)
Are you black or white? I would ask if you’re male or female but I’m afraid you’d tell us about the other 66 genders that don’t exist
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Just more of your typical priviledged white european racism ::)
This alone is a racist comment. Care to reword that?
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and here we have even MORE hateful racism, folks.
I am proudly a racist.
However, I save my hate for when it’s genuinely warranted.
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Henda,you`re a funny fucker my friend! LOL ;D
You too mate as well as and awesome poster and legend
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Matt Jansen charges like $400 per month for "coaching" and has been known to only communicate with his client once per month. Again we should be smart enough to know when we are being hustled
$400 is about the going rate for prep coach's in the lower ranks (non-pros) but if you're not communicating with your clients (at any level) at least 2-4x's per week with 1-2 of those days on a face to face via Skype, FaceTime, WhatsApp, etc any amount of money is too much. If he's only communicating with his clients once per month, that client is getting taken for a ride.
There's more to being a coach than just writing programs and making adjustments...that's not coaching.
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$400 is about the going rate for prep coach's in the lower ranks (non-pros) but if you're not communicating with your clients (at any level) at least 2-4x's per week with 1-2 of those days on a face to face via Skype, FaceTime, WhatsApp, etc any amount of money is too much. If he's only communicating with his clients once per month, that client is getting taken for a ride.
There's more to being a coach than just writing programs and making adjustments...that's not coaching.
Again, why don’t you go that route, could easily pull in tons of cash prepping guys and charging at least 1000 each person
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Again, why don’t you go that route, could easily pull in tons of cash prepping guys and charging at least 1000 each person
maybe that would lead to less time for getbig
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People were saying George Farah gave clients DNP...but one of his pro clients told me Farah is very concerned about health...even getting clients to give him their blood work.
If true, George has true strength.
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Again, why don’t you go that route, could easily pull in tons of cash prepping guys and charging at least 1000 each person
I’ve been doing prep for a long time even when I had my facility but even more now since we don’t have it. Had a client turn pro a few weeks ago at the Universe and have two more at the Masters Nationals this weekend
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People were saying George Farah gave clients DNP...but one of his pro clients told me Farah is very concerned about health...even getting clients to give him their blood work.
If true, George has true strength.
How’s George doing with his health lately? Last I read, he was diagnosed with deep stage cancer
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As an aside,I`ve trained tons of clients and 3 or 4 competitive bodybuilders who placed quite well or won,but I wouldn`t hire a trainer.
FUCK THAT NOISE! LOL ;D
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As an aside,I`ve trained tons of clients and 3 or 4 competitive bodybuilders who placed quite well or won,but I wouldn`t hire a trainer.
FUCK THAT NOISE! LOL ;D
Are you saying you don’t want an entourage following you around to every hammer strength machine at the gym?
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and here we have even MORE hateful racism, folks.
Why do you think racism is hateful?
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Are you saying you don’t want an entourage following you around to every hammer strength machine at the gym?
Yes! ;D
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Trainers are a big waste of money.
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Im a fan of Bonac and Neil, by there videos in the past you would think Neil and him were legit friends. Bonac should go to Acceto.
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Bonac's house wasn't so bad, just needs a maid to clean that place up.
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Did Arnold have a coach ???
GEEZUS!!
Train,eat,rest,repeat !!
I'm sure its a little more than that how many Olympia's have you been in
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Bonac probably paid what was necessary to get some new information about “supplements”
Once Bonac acquired that info. He decided to drop Hill. Hill was no longer needed.
That is just my opinion.
This seems like the likely scenario. Needed "coach" for the drug hookup, paid what was necessary, made it big and has new options now.
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i dont think just because this or that guy didnt have a coach = nobody should ever have a coach
is a very good argument.
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Neither is Bonac paying Neils wages. They share prize money. One gets 80% and one gets 20%. Neil also pointed out that the cut he takes is completely tax deductible for Bonac, so if he wasn't taking it the tax man would.
Bonac seemed more upset that Neil was living better than him for doing very little. Fair argument, but how is that Neils fault?
Neil is an accountant as well? William may regret losing all the money he was saving.
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Bonac's house wasn't so bad, just needs a maid to clean that place up.
this. it wasn't "a shithole".
it's a decent sized place, he'd just have to stop being lazy, entitled stoner and fix it up/decorate it a bit.
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This alone is a racist comment. Care to reword that?
Ha ha
The fool is so quick with the Racism comment ::)
And yet is Racist Himself ::)
FFS what a Complete Twat.
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this. it wasn't "a shithole".
it's a decent sized place, he'd just have to stop being lazy, entitled stoner and fix it up/decorate it a bit.
He apparently has 3 children
Most houses in Holland are not very big, around 120 m2, or 1200 square feet
Judging by the video it's not the house which is the problem....he does not present himself well, to put it mildly.....