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The strength of the big three airlines is due to their hubs and the more passengers an airline can get to their hubs the more effective the hub is. For example, Atlanta and Dallas which are machines for their respective airlines. American is actually trying to increase the number of flights per day from Dallas. Atlanta is the model of how a hub should operate. It's extremely profitable with over a thousand flights per day and 40% of Delta's flights touch its hub in Atlanta.
American Airlines Hubs
Dallas/Fort Worth – 57 million passengers
Charlotte – 42 million passengers
Miami – 30 million passengers
Chicago–O'Hare – 28 million passengers
Philadelphia – 20.5 million passengers
Phoenix–Sky Harbor – 20 million passengers
Los Angeles – 16.5 million passengers
Washington–National – 12 million passengers
New York–LaGuardia – 8.5 million passengers
New York–JFK – 7 million passengers
United Airlines
Chicago–O'Hare – 36 million passengers
Houston–Intercontinental – 33.5 million passengers
Newark – 28.5 million passengers
Denver – 25.9 million passengers
San Francisco – 22 million passengers
Los Angeles – 10 million passengers
Washington–Dulles – 14 million passengers
Delta Airlines
Atlanta – 67 million passengers
Minneapolis – 18 million passengers
Detroit – 14.5 million passengers
Salt Lake City – 12 million passengers
Los Angeles – 10 million passengers
Seattle – 7 million passengers
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American Airlines President Robert Isom stated that the carrier is working to get access to more gates in Dallas and Charlotte, its two largest hubs. In Dallas, American is investing $20 million to outfit a satellite concourse with 15 regional jet gates. These extra gates would allow it to operate nearly 900 departures from Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport on peak days, up from around 800 today.
American Airlines also hopes to expand in Charlotte, where the airport authority is in the midst of building nine new gates. This will enable American to add at least 50 peak day departures to its current total of almost 700.
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cool story bro.
whats your point?
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cool story bro.
whats your point?
Hahhhaha that just made me laugh pretty fucking hard.
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Hahhhaha that just made me laugh pretty fucking hard.
He’s got no point whatsoever, but while we are at it, here are the top three hubs from statistics above:
Atlanta 67 million (Delta)
Chicago 64 million (United and American)
Dallas 57 million (American)
The volume at Charlotte and Phoenix surprisingly high. No mention any more of former hubs like Cincinnati (Delta), Pittsburgh (US Airways) Memphis (Republic/Northwest) St. Louis (TWA/American) from the good old days.
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cool story bro.
whats your point?
First, regardless of what you think about the big three airlines, America's air transportation system is second to none and the main reason is because the hub and spoke airline model is so efficient at moving passengers from point to point and the larger a hub is the more points it can connect. For example, Atlanta and Dallas which are cash machines for their respective airlines.
Second, the airlines that were created after the recent airline consolidation are enormous and their hub systems make them incredibly competitive even if the airlines themselves don't seem very competent.
Take for example the incident were the Asian Doctor was dragged off the United airplane. How do you think United's passenger volume has fared since then? Answer, it's gone up. Why, because they added more flights to three of their busiest hubs, Chicago, Denver, and Houston.
Gate access at airports is a huge deal for airlines with gates at busy airports like London Heathrow selling for millions of dollars. Yet the number of gates controlled by the big three airlines at their hubs is staggering.
I also view the hubs as a perfect example of cooperation between the state and business. Look at the cozy relationship between Atlanta and Delta, Dallas and American, or United and Chicago. The result has been a truly astounding transportation system that benefits the City, state and country as well as the companies involved and their employees.
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First, regardless of what you think about the big three airlines, America's air transportation system is second to none and the main reason is because the hub and spoke airline model is so efficient at moving passengers from point to point and the larger a hub is the more points it can connect. For example, Atlanta and Dallas which are cash machines for their respective airlines.
Second, the airlines that were created after the recent airline consolidation are enormous and their hub systems make them incredibly competitive even if the airlines themselves don't seem very competent.
Take for example the incident were the Asian Doctor was dragged off the United airplane. How do you think United's passenger volume has fared since then? Answer, it's gone up. Why, because they added more flights to three of their busiest hubs, Chicago, Denver, and Houston.
Gate access at airports is a huge deal for airlines with gates at busy airports like London Heathrow selling for millions of dollars. Yet the number of gates controlled by the big three airlines at their hubs is staggering.
I also view the hubs as a perfect example of cooperation between the state and business. Look at the cozy relationship between Atlanta and Delta, Dallas and American, or United and Chicago. The result has been a truly astounding transportation system that benefits the City, state and country as well as the companies involved and their employees.
So, why Americans buy old Australian & Japanese planes & still use them ??? ::)
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He’s got no point whatsoever, but while we are at it, here are the top three hubs from statistics above:
Atlanta 67 million (Delta)
Chicago 64 million (United and American)
Dallas 57 million (American)
The volume at Charlotte and Phoenix surprisingly high. No mention any more of former hubs like Cincinnati (Delta), Pittsburgh (US Airways) Memphis (Republic/Northwest) St. Louis (TWA/American) from the good old days.
The size of Charlotte and Miami at American Airlines, and Houston and Newark at United surprised me.
I've heard the rumor is that Phoenix will be de-hubbed.
look at Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, and St Louis airports today. Perfect examples of why it's way better for a city to be a hub than not be. Direct flights anywhere you want to go.
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The size of Charlotte and Miami at American Airlines, and Houston and Newark at United surprised me.
I've heard the rumor is that Phoenix will be de-hubbed.
look at Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, and St Louis airports today. Perfect examples of why it's way better for a city to be a hub than not be. Direct flights anywhere you want to go.
Charlotte (US Airways) and Miami (PanAm/Eastern?) were acquired by American from airlines that had huge presences in those cities. That’s a weird rumor about Phoenix (US Airways acquisition) with that current volume.
Same with Houston and Newark for United (Continental’s main hubs).
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So, why Americans buy old Australian & Japanese planes & still use them ??? ::)
An excellent question. It's like buying a new car or a used car, or leasing a car. These are businesses and their goal is shareholder return, so they don't care if they buy their aircraft new, as long as it's safe. Delta airline is still flying MD-90's and 717's.
Don't forget, many of the airlines flying new aircraft today will be bankrupt tomorrow. Check the credit rating for Norwegian air vs Delta.
Speaking of aircraft, here's a quick comparison of the current fleet size of some of the largest airlines in the world:
American has 966
Delta Airlines has 914
United Airlines 785
Lufthansa has 296
British Airways has 277
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This information is pertinent to those flying to the Olympia
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Charlotte (US Airways) and Miami (PanAm/Eastern?) were acquired by American from airlines that had huge presences in those cities. That’s a weird rumor about Phoenix (US Airways acquisition) with that current volume.
Same with Houston and Newark for United (Continental’s main hubs).
I heard that American had to guarantee they would keep Phoenix a hub for seven years when they merged with US Airways. I agree the volume is so high it doesn't make sense why they would get rid of it.
AA has/will add 12 routes from PHX this year, including 2 international LHR, CUU, MSN, RDU, RAP, MSY, CID, ICT, FAR, CVG, FLL, COS
American Airlines hubs ranked by 2018 profit margin:
CLT 14.3%
DCA 13.6%
DFW 12.7%
ORD 11.4%
PHL 11.4%
PHX 9.6%
MIA 6.7%
JFK 3.1%
LGA -0.8%
LAX -0.9%
Daily Departures on American Airlines in 2018:
Dallas/Fort Worth (719)
Charlotte (617)
Chicago O’Hare (437)
Philadelphia (346)
Miami (324)
Phoenix (252)
Washington Reagan National (224)
Los Angeles (196)
New York LaGuardia (143)
New York John F. Kennedy (87)
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A lot of old heads in this group speaking of Eastern Airways/Continental. It’s funny to see how the airline mergers happened and the ones that just went under.
Side note, I love me some Atlanta Hatsfield Jackson. That place is a beast and I love flying Delta. The only thing is I’m surprised Amex hasn’t put a Centurion Lounge there like at Vegas and Dallas. I appreciate your threads palimboism.
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An excellent question. It's like buying a new car or a used car, or leasing a car. These are businesses and their goal is shareholder return, so they don't care if they buy their aircraft new, as long as it's safe. Delta airline is still flying MD-90's and 717's.
Don't forget, many of the airlines flying new aircraft today will be bankrupt tomorrow. Check the credit rating for Norwegian air vs Delta.
Speaking of aircraft, here's a quick comparison of the current fleet size of some of the largest airlines in the world:
American has 966
Delta Airlines has 914
United Airlines 785
Lufthansa has 296
British Airways has 277
Who want to fly in + 30 yo ex Qantas or Jal , now American own plane. Old bucket is old bucket ;)
It's call African standard !.
QUALITY wins over quantity , OBW remember the 'Rain Man' : Qantas never crush :D
+ age & look of American air crews :-\ :-[, fly Asian & you'll see cuties :-*
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Cleveland is also a defunct hub. Didn’t Continental have a decent size hub there which United seems to have gotten rid of about the same time American got rid of Pittsburgh and St. Louis and Delta got rid of Cincinnati.
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Who want to fly in + 30 yo ex Qantas or Jal , now American own plane. Old bucket is old bucket ;)
It's call African standard !.
QUALITY wins over quantity , OBW remember the 'Rain Man' : Qantas never crush :D
+ age & look of American air crews :-\ :-[, fly Asian & you'll see cuties :-*
Most of these flights are domestic. Only other American airlines would be competition.
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Nice topic, wrong website...
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Good hush puppies and tasty onion rings in Charlotte.
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Most of these flights are domestic. Only other American airlines would be competition.
More plains, more pollution !. No thanks.
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what about beijing airport?
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what about beijing airport?
I think the new Istanbul airport is more important as a world hub. The Beijing airport is only served by seven airlines and most of the flights are domestic. It remains to be seen if this airport will be successful.
The Dubai World Central airports has been halted within the last couple of days. This airport was set to be the busiest international airport in the world.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-29/dubai-halts-mega-airport-project-as-gulf-economies-stumble (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-29/dubai-halts-mega-airport-project-as-gulf-economies-stumble)
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what about beijing airport?
Shanghai ;)
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I think the new Istanbul airport is more important as a world hub. The Beijing airport is only served by seven airlines and most of the flights are domestic. It remains to be seen if this airport will be successful.
The Dubai World Central airports has been halted within the last couple of days. This airport was set to be the busiest international airport in the world.
HEATHROW !.
Inform yourself & travel overseas !.
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HEATHROW !.
Inform yourself & travel overseas !.
Heathrow only has two runways with plans to build a third.
How well does Heathrow serve the United Kingdom? Most of the flights a Heathrow are international with most of the domestic travel going to Luton, Gatwick, and Stansted.
London's airport system is terrible. Four airports with six runways aren't nearly as good as one airport with six runways because it's all about connecting flights. Denver airport alone has as many runways as Heathrow, Luton, Gatwick and Stansted combined.
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Heathrow only has two runways with plans to build a third.
How well does Heathrow serve the United Kingdom? Most of the flights a Heathrow are international with most of the domestic travel going to Luton, Gatwick, and Stansted.
London's airport system is terrible. Four airports with six runways aren't nearly as good as one airport with six runways because it's all about connecting flights. Denver airport alone has as many runways as Heathrow, Luton, Gatwick and Stansted combined.
Screw your statistic, you live in poluted area & this counts !.
All big airports sucks , get real.
Start birds watching club.
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Screw your statistic, you live in poluted area & this counts !.
All big airports sucks , get real.
Start birds watching club.
What country are you from?
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What country are you from?
Antartica ;D
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I think the new Istanbul airport is more important as a world hub. The Beijing airport is only served by seven airlines and most of the flights are domestic. It remains to be seen if this airport will be successful.
The Dubai World Central airports has been halted within the last couple of days. This airport was set to be the busiest international airport in the world.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-29/dubai-halts-mega-airport-project-as-gulf-economies-stumble (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-29/dubai-halts-mega-airport-project-as-gulf-economies-stumble)
I was just about to post about Dubai (India) and didn’t realize it had been stopped. I remember a few years back them talking about how it was going to change flying because it was a more central hub and make American airports second class.
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I was just about to post about Dubai (India) and didn’t realize it had been stopped. I remember a few years back them talking about how it was going to change flying because it was a more central hub and make American airports second class.
The Saudi's are getting ready to take Saudi Aramco public. I think that's higher priority than the airport.
The new Istanbul airport looks like it's going to do quite well. Istanbul (Constantinople) has historically been the link between East and West and they want this airport to be a link connecting Europe and America to Asia.
(http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/181026171110-istanbul-new-airport-18.jpg)
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The new Istanbul airport looks like it's going to do quite well. Istanbul (Constantinople) has historically been the link between East and West and they want this airport to be a link connecting Europe and America to Asia.
& they'll have squat toilets like many other muslims operated airports.
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Who want to fly in + 30 yo ex Qantas or Jal , now American own plane. Old bucket is old bucket ;)
It's call African standard !.
QUALITY wins over quantity , OBW remember the 'Rain Man' : Qantas never crush :D
+ age & look of American air crews :-\ :-[, fly Asian & you'll see cuties :-*
Average fleet age of big three American Airlines. The format is number of aircraft, type, years old.
American has the lowest average age at 11 years followed by Delta at 15.1 years.
789 United Airlines 15.6
79 Airbus A319-100 17.9
99 Airbus A320-200 21.3
40 Boeing 737-700 20.6
141 Boeing 737-800 15.7
148 Boeing 737-900 7.7
14 Boeing 737 MAX 9 1.1
55 Boeing 757-200 23.5
21 Boeing 757-300 17.2
38 Boeing 767-300 23.7
16 Boeing 767-400 18.1
74 Boeing 777-200 20.4
18 Boeing 777-300 2.3
9 Boeing 787-10 Dreamliner 0.9
12 Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner 6.3
25 Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner 3.6
916 Delta Airlines 15.1
25 Airbus A220-100 0.4
57 Airbus A319-100 17.7
62 Airbus A320-200 24.1
94 Airbus A321-200 1.5
11 Airbus A330-200 14.5
31 Airbus A330-300 10.7
4 Airbus A330-900 0.2
13 Airbus A350-900 1.6
91 Boeing 717-200 18.1
10 Boeing 737-700 10.7
77 Boeing 737-800 18.1
130 Boeing 737-900 3.1
111 Boeing 757-200 22.9
16 Boeing 757-300 16.7
56 Boeing 767-300 23.4
21 Boeing 767-400 18.8
18 Boeing 777-200 14.7
60 McDonnell Douglas MD-88 28.6
29 McDonnell Douglas MD-90 22.4
941 American 11.0
132 Airbus A319-100 15.5
48 Airbus A320-200 18.5
219 Airbus A321-200 7.2
6 Airbus A321neo 0.4
15 Airbus A330-200 7.8
9 Airbus A330-300 19.2
304 Boeing 737-800 9.9
24 Boeing 737 MAX 8 1.2
34 Boeing 757-200 19.9
21 Boeing 767-300 20.2
47 Boeing 777-200 18.8
20 Boeing 777-300 5.7
20 Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner 3.9
22 Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner 2.0
20 Embraer ERJ-190 11.9
Net income first 6 months of 2019
$2,154,911,000 Delta
$1,344,699,000 United
$1,127,650,000 Southwest
$943,769,000 American
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Who want to fly in + 30 yo ex Qantas or Jal , now American own plane. Old bucket is old bucket ;)
It's call African standard !.
QUALITY wins over quantity , OBW remember the 'Rain Man' : Qantas never crush :D
+ age & look of American air crews :-\ :-[, fly Asian & you'll see cuties :-*
Airlines with the youngest fleet: the full ranking
# 1. Aeroflot airline fleet age
Average aircraft age is 4.4 years.
# 2. Ethiopian Airlines
Average aircraft age is 5.7 years.
# 3. China Eastern Airlines fleet age
Average aircraft age is 5.9 years.
# 4. Qatar Airways fleet age
Average aircraft age is 6 years.
# 5. Emirates fleet age
Average aircraft age is 6.2 years.
# 6. Turkish Airlines fleet age
Average aircraft age is 6.8 years.
# 7. China Southern fleet age
Average aircraft age is 7 years.
# 8. Ryanair fleet age
Average aircraft age is 7.6 years.
# 9. EasyJet fleet age
Average aircraft age is 7.8 years.
# 10. Alaska Airlines fleet age
Average aircraft age is 8.4 years.
# 11. Cathay Pacific fleet age
Average aircraft age is 8.5 years old.
# 12. Swiss International Airlines fleet age
Average aircraft age is 9.6 years old.
# 13. JetBlue Airways fleet age
Average aircraft age is 10.2 years.
# 14. American Airlines fleet age
Average aircraft age is 11 years.
# 15. Southwest Airlines fleet age
Average aircraft age is 11 years.
# 16. SkyWest Airlines fleet age
Average aircraft age is 11.5 years.
# 17. Lufthansa fleet age
Average aircraft age is 12 years.
# 18. British Airways fleet age
Average aircraft age is 13.5 years.
# 19. United Airlines fleet age
Average aircraft age is 15.1 years.
# 20. Delta Air Lines fleet age
Average aircraft age is 15.8 years.
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Palumbismo, U obviously never ever travel on non American planes !.
Fly Emirates or Thai & you'll see difference in air crew ages & bodies 8)
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American airlines lost money flying passengers last quarter.
Passenger revenue was $9.6 billion.
The cost of flying planes was $9.7 billion.
However if you add in cargo revenue the airline made $115 million for the quarter. That’s just a 1% margin on their flying.
They make most of their money from credit cards.
http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/2019/American-Airlines-Group-Reports-Third-Quarter-2019-Profit-CORP-FI/default.aspx (http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/2019/American-Airlines-Group-Reports-Third-Quarter-2019-Profit-CORP-FI/default.aspx)