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Big Three Airline Hubs
« on: August 24, 2019, 06:38:26 PM »
The strength of the big three airlines is due to their hubs and the more passengers an airline can get to their hubs the more effective the hub is.  For example, Atlanta and Dallas which are machines for their respective airlines.  American is actually trying to increase the number of flights per day from Dallas.  Atlanta is the model of how a hub should operate.  It's extremely profitable with over a thousand flights per day and 40% of Delta's flights touch its hub in Atlanta.  

American Airlines Hubs
Dallas/Fort Worth – 57 million passengers

Charlotte – 42 million passengers

Miami – 30 million passengers

Chicago–O'Hare – 28 million passengers

Philadelphia – 20.5 million passengers

Phoenix–Sky Harbor –  20 million passengers

Los Angeles – 16.5 million passengers

Washington–National – 12 million passengers

New York–LaGuardia – 8.5 million passengers

New York–JFK – 7 million passengers


United Airlines

Chicago–O'Hare – 36 million passengers

Houston–Intercontinental – 33.5 million passengers

Newark – 28.5 million passengers

Denver – 25.9 million passengers

San Francisco – 22 million passengers
  
Los Angeles – 10 million passengers
    
Washington–Dulles – 14 million passengers
    

    
Delta Airlines

Atlanta – 67 million passengers

Minneapolis – 18 million passengers

Detroit – 14.5 million passengers

Salt Lake City – 12 million passengers

Los Angeles – 10 million passengers

Seattle – 7 million passengers





 

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Re: Big Three Airline Hubs
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2019, 06:53:43 PM »
American Airlines President Robert Isom stated that the carrier is working to get access to more gates in Dallas and Charlotte, its two largest hubs. In Dallas, American is investing $20 million to outfit a satellite concourse with 15 regional jet gates. These extra gates would allow it to operate nearly 900 departures from Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport on peak days, up from around 800 today.

American Airlines also hopes to expand in Charlotte, where the airport authority is in the midst of building nine new gates. This will enable American to add at least 50 peak day departures to its current total of almost 700.


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Re: Big Three Airline Hubs
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2019, 07:42:51 PM »
cool story bro.

whats your point?

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Re: Big Three Airline Hubs
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2019, 07:44:25 PM »
cool story bro.

whats your point?

Hahhhaha that just made me laugh pretty fucking hard.

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Re: Big Three Airline Hubs
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2019, 07:49:59 PM »
Hahhhaha that just made me laugh pretty fucking hard.

He’s got no point whatsoever, but while we are at it, here are the top three hubs from statistics above:
Atlanta 67 million (Delta)
Chicago 64 million (United and American)
Dallas 57 million (American)

The volume at Charlotte and Phoenix surprisingly high. No mention any more of former hubs like Cincinnati (Delta), Pittsburgh (US Airways) Memphis (Republic/Northwest) St. Louis (TWA/American) from the good old days.

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Re: Big Three Airline Hubs
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2019, 04:21:21 PM »
cool story bro.

whats your point?

First, regardless of what you think about the big three airlines, America's air transportation system is second to none and the main reason is because the hub and spoke airline model is so efficient at moving  passengers from point to point and the larger a hub is the more points it can connect.  For example, Atlanta and Dallas which are cash machines for their respective airlines.  

Second, the airlines that were created after the recent airline consolidation are enormous and their hub systems make them incredibly competitive even if the airlines themselves don't seem very competent.

Take for example the incident were the Asian Doctor was dragged off the United airplane.  How do you think United's passenger volume has fared since then?  Answer, it's gone up.  Why, because they added more flights to three of their busiest hubs, Chicago, Denver, and Houston.  

Gate access at airports is a huge deal for airlines with gates at busy airports like London Heathrow selling for millions of dollars.  Yet the number of gates controlled by the big three airlines at their hubs is staggering.  

I also view the hubs as a perfect example of cooperation between the state and business.  Look at the cozy relationship between Atlanta and Delta, Dallas and American, or United and Chicago.  The result has been a truly astounding transportation system that benefits the City, state and country as well as the companies involved and their employees.




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Re: Big Three Airline Hubs
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2019, 04:26:13 PM »
First, regardless of what you think about the big three airlines, America's air transportation system is second to none and the main reason is because the hub and spoke airline model is so efficient at moving  passengers from point to point and the larger a hub is the more points it can connect.  For example, Atlanta and Dallas which are cash machines for their respective airlines.  

Second, the airlines that were created after the recent airline consolidation are enormous and their hub systems make them incredibly competitive even if the airlines themselves don't seem very competent.

Take for example the incident were the Asian Doctor was dragged off the United airplane.  How do you think United's passenger volume has fared since then?  Answer, it's gone up.  Why, because they added more flights to three of their busiest hubs, Chicago, Denver, and Houston.  

Gate access at airports is a huge deal for airlines with gates at busy airports like London Heathrow selling for millions of dollars.  Yet the number of gates controlled by the big three airlines at their hubs is staggering.  

I also view the hubs as a perfect example of cooperation between the state and business.  Look at the cozy relationship between Atlanta and Delta, Dallas and American, or United and Chicago.  The result has been a truly astounding transportation system that benefits the City, state and country as well as the companies involved and their employees.





So, why Americans buy old Australian & Japanese planes & still use them  ??? ::)

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Re: Big Three Airline Hubs
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2019, 04:31:41 PM »
He’s got no point whatsoever, but while we are at it, here are the top three hubs from statistics above:
Atlanta 67 million (Delta)
Chicago 64 million (United and American)
Dallas 57 million (American)

The volume at Charlotte and Phoenix surprisingly high. No mention any more of former hubs like Cincinnati (Delta), Pittsburgh (US Airways) Memphis (Republic/Northwest) St. Louis (TWA/American) from the good old days.

The size of Charlotte and Miami at American Airlines, and Houston and Newark at United surprised me.

I've heard the rumor is that Phoenix will be de-hubbed.

look at Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, and St Louis airports today.  Perfect examples of why it's way better for a city to be a hub than not be.  Direct flights anywhere you want to go.

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« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2019, 04:36:47 PM »
The size of Charlotte and Miami at American Airlines, and Houston and Newark at United surprised me.

I've heard the rumor is that Phoenix will be de-hubbed.

look at Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, and St Louis airports today.  Perfect examples of why it's way better for a city to be a hub than not be.  Direct flights anywhere you want to go.

Charlotte (US Airways) and Miami (PanAm/Eastern?) were acquired by American from airlines that had huge presences in those cities. That’s a weird rumor about Phoenix (US Airways acquisition) with that current volume.

Same with Houston and Newark for United (Continental’s main hubs).

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Re: Big Three Airline Hubs
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2019, 04:50:43 PM »
So, why Americans buy old Australian & Japanese planes & still use them  ??? ::)

An excellent question.  It's like buying a new car or a used car, or leasing a car.  These are businesses and their goal is shareholder return, so they don't care if they buy their aircraft new, as long as it's safe.  Delta airline is still flying MD-90's and 717's.  

Don't forget, many of the airlines flying new aircraft today will be bankrupt tomorrow.  Check the credit rating for Norwegian air vs Delta.  

Speaking of aircraft, here's a quick comparison of the current fleet size of some of the largest airlines in the world:


American has 966

Delta Airlines has 914

United Airlines 785

Lufthansa has 296

British Airways has 277

 

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Re: Big Three Airline Hubs
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2019, 05:20:52 PM »
This information is pertinent to those flying to the Olympia

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Re: Big Three Airline Hubs
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2019, 05:31:29 PM »
Charlotte (US Airways) and Miami (PanAm/Eastern?) were acquired by American from airlines that had huge presences in those cities. That’s a weird rumor about Phoenix (US Airways acquisition) with that current volume.

Same with Houston and Newark for United (Continental’s main hubs).

I heard that American had to guarantee they would keep Phoenix a hub for seven years when they merged with US Airways.  I agree the volume is so high it doesn't make sense why they would get rid of it.

AA has/will add 12 routes from PHX this year, including 2 international LHR, CUU, MSN, RDU, RAP, MSY, CID, ICT, FAR, CVG, FLL, COS


American Airlines hubs ranked by 2018 profit margin:

CLT 14.3%
DCA 13.6%
DFW 12.7%
ORD 11.4%
PHL 11.4%
PHX 9.6%
MIA 6.7%
JFK 3.1%
LGA -0.8%
LAX -0.9%

Daily Departures on American Airlines in 2018:

Dallas/Fort Worth (719)
Charlotte (617)
Chicago O’Hare (437)
Philadelphia (346)
Miami (324)
Phoenix (252)
Washington Reagan National (224)
Los Angeles (196)
New York LaGuardia (143)
New York John F. Kennedy (87)

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Re: Big Three Airline Hubs
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2019, 05:39:03 PM »
A lot of old heads in this group speaking of Eastern Airways/Continental. It’s funny to see how the airline mergers happened and the ones that just went under.

Side note, I love me some Atlanta Hatsfield Jackson. That place is a beast and I love flying Delta. The only thing is I’m surprised Amex hasn’t put a Centurion Lounge there like at Vegas and Dallas. I appreciate your threads palimboism.

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Re: Big Three Airline Hubs
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2019, 06:54:50 PM »
An excellent question.  It's like buying a new car or a used car, or leasing a car.  These are businesses and their goal is shareholder return, so they don't care if they buy their aircraft new, as long as it's safe.  Delta airline is still flying MD-90's and 717's.  

Don't forget, many of the airlines flying new aircraft today will be bankrupt tomorrow.  Check the credit rating for Norwegian air vs Delta.  

Speaking of aircraft, here's a quick comparison of the current fleet size of some of the largest airlines in the world:


American has 966

Delta Airlines has 914

United Airlines 785

Lufthansa has 296

British Airways has 277
 


Who want to fly in + 30 yo ex Qantas or Jal , now American own plane. Old bucket is old bucket  ;)

It's call African standard !.

QUALITY wins over quantity , OBW remember the 'Rain Man' : Qantas never crush  :D

+ age & look of American air crews   :-\  :-[, fly Asian & you'll see cuties  :-*

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Re: Big Three Airline Hubs
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2019, 07:57:22 PM »
Cleveland is also a defunct hub. Didn’t Continental have a decent size hub there which United seems to have gotten rid of about the same time American got rid of Pittsburgh and St. Louis and Delta got rid of Cincinnati.

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Re: Big Three Airline Hubs
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2019, 03:16:27 PM »

Who want to fly in + 30 yo ex Qantas or Jal , now American own plane. Old bucket is old bucket  ;)

It's call African standard !.

QUALITY wins over quantity , OBW remember the 'Rain Man' : Qantas never crush  :D

+ age & look of American air crews   :-\  :-[, fly Asian & you'll see cuties  :-*

Most of these flights are domestic.  Only other American airlines would be competition.

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Re: Big Three Airline Hubs
« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2019, 03:31:27 PM »
Nice topic, wrong website...

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Re: Big Three Airline Hubs
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2019, 10:17:01 PM »
Good hush puppies and tasty onion rings in Charlotte. 
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Re: Big Three Airline Hubs
« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2019, 10:58:13 PM »
Most of these flights are domestic.  Only other American airlines would be competition.

More plains, more pollution !. No thanks.


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Re: Big Three Airline Hubs
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2019, 06:45:03 AM »
what about beijing airport?

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Re: Big Three Airline Hubs
« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2019, 11:03:50 AM »
what about beijing airport?

I think the new Istanbul airport is more important as a world hub.  The Beijing airport is only served by seven airlines and most of the flights are domestic.  It remains to be seen if this airport will be successful.


The Dubai World Central airports has been halted within the last couple of days.  This airport was set to be the busiest international airport in the world.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-29/dubai-halts-mega-airport-project-as-gulf-economies-stumble

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Re: Big Three Airline Hubs
« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2019, 02:45:09 PM »
what about beijing airport?

Shanghai  ;)

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Re: Big Three Airline Hubs
« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2019, 02:50:47 PM »
I think the new Istanbul airport is more important as a world hub.  The Beijing airport is only served by seven airlines and most of the flights are domestic.  It remains to be seen if this airport will be successful.


The Dubai World Central airports has been halted within the last couple of days.  This airport was set to be the busiest international airport in the world.




HEATHROW !.

Inform yourself & travel overseas !.

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Re: Big Three Airline Hubs
« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2019, 03:38:40 PM »

HEATHROW !.

Inform yourself & travel overseas !.

Heathrow only has two runways with plans to build a third.  

How well does Heathrow serve the United Kingdom?  Most of the flights a Heathrow are international with most of the domestic travel going to Luton, Gatwick, and Stansted.  

London's airport system is terrible.  Four airports with six runways aren't nearly as good as one airport with six runways because it's all about connecting flights.  Denver airport alone has as many runways as Heathrow, Luton, Gatwick and Stansted combined.  


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Re: Big Three Airline Hubs
« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2019, 05:21:50 PM »
Heathrow only has two runways with plans to build a third.  

How well does Heathrow serve the United Kingdom?  Most of the flights a Heathrow are international with most of the domestic travel going to Luton, Gatwick, and Stansted.  

London's airport system is terrible.  Four airports with six runways aren't nearly as good as one airport with six runways because it's all about connecting flights.  Denver airport alone has as many runways as Heathrow, Luton, Gatwick and Stansted combined.  




Screw your statistic, you live in poluted area & this counts !.

All big airports sucks , get real.

Start birds watching club.