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Even less credible
https://bongino.com/whistleblower-rules-were-changed-right-before-the-ukraine-complaint/
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Trump just keeps on owning them.....
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Trump 2020 Baby
Black Republicans will win the election to our great American Leader.
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Trump 2020 Baby
Black Republicans will win the election to our great American Leader.
It helps also when 4-insane "women" and mindless Joe Biden are the faces of the party.
Comical. I wouldn't be surprised if one of them got in, since its electoral college, anything can and does happen. But still, if it does happen, say "bye" to life as you once knew it.
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It helps also when 4-insane "women" and mindless Joe Biden are the faces of the party.
Comical. I wouldn't be surprised if one of them got in, since its electoral college, anything can and does happen. But still, if it does happen, say "bye" to life as you once knew it.
I agree and it’s only a matter of time until one of the psychopaths from the left gets elected. The changing demographics all but guarantee it and once the shift happens a republican will never again be elected. The US as we know it is gone and it’s not coming back. It was a good run, but we have to recognize that it’s going to become more and more diverse, chaotic and violent in the coming years as socialism slowly takes a grip on everything and mass migration finds its way here. I don’t plan to be in the US in 5-10 years. I have several destinations on my radar so far but haven’t made a decision. Currently I’m living debt free and keeping it as minimalistic as possible. I’ve put away a lot of money and contribute quite a bit to my 401k. I should be fine wherever I go although it will be an adjustment. Human beings have always been forced to move and migrate to preserve their way of life. This time is no different. As the scourge takes over the US, we will adapt and move to preserve ourselves.
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Even less credible
https://bongino.com/whistleblower-rules-were-changed-right-before-the-ukraine-complaint/
So whistle blower rules which changed in May 2018, almost a year and a half ago, are considered "brand new"? Not to mention that rules don't just change without a lot of discussion, which often goes on for years before there is any action.
It pays to actually read stuff before you post it. Just because it came from FOX News doesn't mean it is accurate or truthful. The media gets things wrong all the time. We all know this.
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It pays to actually read stuff before you post it.
Lol, did you read the article? Not saying one way or another as far as the actual accusation as I haven't looked into it but it looks like you read one line and skipped the rest including the second half of that line you looked at.
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So whistle blower rules which changed in May 2018, almost a year and a half ago, are considered "brand new"? Not to mention that rules don't just change without a lot of discussion, which often goes on for years before there is any action.
It pays to actually read stuff before you post it. Just because it came from FOX News doesn't mean it is accurate or truthful. The media gets things wrong all the time. We all know this.
Prime - come on man.. You CANT really believe in the liberal / socialist say or thinking. The liberals have perpetrated racism and division for too long. Every intelligent and decent black American has begun to see the truth.
If I am being honest I cannot say that I agree with the Republican Party wholeheartedly either, but I align with what I consider important issues with them MUCH more than the Dems. I don’t consider LBGTQYHSKOPWMZXXATRE issues to be very important at all. DEFINITELY not enough for anyone to vote a leader into power based on. That being said - I don’t think the government has ANY business in our sex life. I just don’t think that anything I say (with the obvious exceptions) should be illegal. The government has absolutely NO BUSINESS in protecting “feelings”.
The left has made a business out of feelings.
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;D ;D
https://www.tmz.com/2019/09/28/robert-de-niro-impeach-trump-pence-ukrain-call-the-irishman-premiere/ (https://www.tmz.com/2019/09/28/robert-de-niro-impeach-trump-pence-ukrain-call-the-irishman-premiere/)
;D ;D
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So whistle blower rules which changed in May 2018, almost a year and a half ago, are considered "brand new"? Not to mention that rules don't just change without a lot of discussion, which often goes on for years before there is any action.
It pays to actually read stuff before you post it. Just because it came from FOX News doesn't mean it is accurate or truthful. The media gets things wrong all the time. We all know this.
Was it reported wrong? That it was changed that now a whistleblower can make a charge without having to actually witness or experience the offense but just go by second-hand information. And rules often change not with a lot of deliberation, discussion, and debate but by those currently in power and how it will benefit them.
But you're right, often the media will outright lie like the New York times has so often been caught in, or they will skew the report to suit their agenda like saying the whistleblower rule change was done on May 2018 almost a year and a half ago when the report actually said:
"Between May 2018 and August 2019, the intelligence community secretly eliminated a requirement that whistleblowers provide direct, first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoings."
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Was it reported wrong? That it was changed that now a whistleblower can make a charge without having to actually witness or experience the offense but just go by second-hand information. And rules often change not with a lot of deliberation, discussion, and debate but by those currently in power and how it will benefit them.
But you're right, often the media will outright lie like the New York times has so often been caught in, or they will skew the report to suit their agenda like saying the whistleblower rule change was done on May 2018 almost a year and a half ago when the report actually said:
"Between May 2018 and August 2019, the intelligence community secretly eliminated a requirement that whistleblowers provide direct, first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoings."
Hear say is not admissible in a parking hearing case or any court. Everything they say Trump did is exactly what Biden actually did. Biden threatened to withhold aid unless a prosecutor investigating his son was fired. Biden is on video tape saying the same. Russian collusion didn't work and now they are trying Ukraine collusion. Now we have moles in intelligence ease dropping on the President's calls to foreign leaders and reporting back to Democrats. Since this is treason he reports to a third party who presents this hear say. No foreign leader will speak with candor with Trump or any future President because of these repeated attempted coups knowing what they say on a telephone call might be in the press.
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This will all amount to nothing but will cost taxpayers $100 million in court and legal costs.
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This will all amount to nothing but will cost taxpayers $100 million in court and legal costs.
I wonder who's the next Mueller who will surround himself with Democrat loyal FBI agents and Lawyers. What do you think? A two year 40 million dollar investigation that will add up to nothing. Interesting how Democrats have no interest in the dealings Biden had with the Ukraine. Only after Republicans pointed out his point blank wrong doings they they respond with the defense of, "I know you are but what am I?"
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No the rules were not changed
Just more lies from Trumptard
This is false. The Federalist reading of the form is inaccurate and although the submission form that whistleblowers from the intelligence community fill out was revised in August 2019, the revision did not change the rules on who can submit a whistleblower complaint.
The theory put forth by the President and his allies hinges on the idea that the ICIG recently changed the rules to allow individuals with secondhand knowledge of an event to submit a whistleblower complaint. This is wrong.
A previous version -- cited by the Federalist -- of the form that whistleblowers submit to alert the inspector general of the intelligence community of an "urgent concern" states that in order for the inspector general to determine that the concern is credible "the IC IG must be in possession of reliable, first-hand information."
This does not mean that the inspector general would reject a complaint if it presented only secondhand knowledge, but that firsthand information would be needed for the complaint to be found credible and passed further up the chain of command. The inspector general has 14 days from when the complaint is submitted to investigate and make a determination as to whether the urgent concern is credible. And that's exactly what happened in the case of this whistleblower.
During the investigation into this specific complaint about Trump's July 25 call with the Ukrainian President, the inspector general found additional information that "supports the Complainant's allegation that, among other things, during the call the President 'sought to pressure the Ukrainian leader to take actions to help the President's 2020 reelection bid,' " according to the letter from the inspector general to Joseph Maguire, the acting director of national intelligence.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/30/politics/donald-trump-inspector-general-whistleblower-complaint-conspiracy-fact-check/index.html
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Prime - come on man.. You CANT really believe in the liberal / socialist say or thinking. The liberals have perpetrated racism and division for too long. Every intelligent and decent black American has begun to see the truth.
If I am being honest I cannot say that I agree with the Republican Party wholeheartedly either, but I align with what I consider important issues with them MUCH more than the Dems. I don’t consider LBGTQYHSKOPWMZXXATRE issues to be very important at all. DEFINITELY not enough for anyone to vote a leader into power based on. That being said - I don’t think the government has ANY business in our sex life. I just don’t think that anything I say (with the obvious exceptions) should be illegal. The government has absolutely NO BUSINESS in protecting “feelings”.
The left has made a business out of feelings.
Government protecting people's feelings is overreaching. If someone defames another's reputation by stating untruths, the injured person should have the right to legal recourse, (filing a civil suit). However, making this a criminal act is wrong.
LBGTQYHSKOPWMZXXATRE - what does all this stand for? :) The issues of minority communities is very important to the folks in them. I imagine you are not part of such a group. It is understandable why you may not find their concerns important. It can be very difficult to walk in another's shoes.
Not only does government have no business in my sex life, neither should anyone else with whom I do not have an intimate relationship, except if it involves criminal activity.
I'm left of center. Sometimes, some people try to hurt my feelings. If I let them, the onus is on me.
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https://americaisonline.com/whistleblower-rules-secretly-changed-right-before-report-filed-against-trump/
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Uh oh....
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/joe-hunter-biden-seen-golfing-with-ukraine-gas-company-exec-back-in-2014-photo-shows
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Uh oh....
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/joe-hunter-biden-seen-golfing-with-ukraine-gas-company-exec-back-in-2014-photo-shows
Yeah, uh oh. ::)
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https://americaisonline.com/whistleblower-rules-secretly-changed-right-before-report-filed-against-trump/
This idiocy has already been posted. Read it, it is garbage.
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This idiocy has already been posted. Read it, it is garbage.
I did...lol
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Yeah, uh oh. ::)
Fake news?
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Uh oh....
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/joe-hunter-biden-seen-golfing-with-ukraine-gas-company-exec-back-in-2014-photo-shows
“I never spoke to my son about his work in the Ukraine”
- Joe Biden
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Nothing to see here folks.. move along
(https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AAI5nk9.img?m=1&b=black&w=594&h=334&f=jpeg&q=60)
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“I never spoke to my son about his work in the Ukraine”
- Joe Biden
Up there with Bill Clinton:
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman".
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Fake news?
Who knows what is fake news and what isn't. All media profits from opposing positions and using whatever it takes to satisfy their target audience, including exaggeration and misrepresentation. What I do know is that the news isn't fake just because one person who is often the subject of bad news says it it. You believe the media you expose yourself to and I believe some of the media I get, which includes FOX News as well as the more liberal sources.
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Up there with Bill Clinton:
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman".
“Donald Trump has no path to 270.”
- Huffington Post, November 8, 2016
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Who knows what is fake news and what isn't. All media profits from opposing positions and using whatever it takes to satisfy their target audience, including exaggeration and misrepresentation. What I do know is that the news isn't fake just because one person who is often the subject of bad news says it it. You believe the media you expose yourself to and I believe some of the media I get, which includes FOX News as well as the more liberal sources.
You can’t deny the picture, C’mon man.
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You can’t deny the picture, C’mon man.
You're wrong. I can deny anything I want. Remember, this is the Thunder-dome! ;D
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You can’t deny the picture, C’mon man.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ukrainian-to-us-prosecutors-why-dont-you-want-our-evidence-on-democrats/ar-BBVHoBf?ocid=sf&fbclid=IwAR1eC1FpPCJhZXrgnY-hs_hslDtyH5lCkCLp5CxQ0AH6YNsMUJAmtD8pFCg
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ukrainian-to-us-prosecutors-why-dont-you-want-our-evidence-on-democrats/ar-BBVHoBf?ocid=sf&fbclid=IwAR1eC1FpPCJhZXrgnY-hs_hslDtyH5lCkCLp5CxQ0AH6YNsMUJAmtD8pFCg
I’m actually blown away this is an msn article
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Government protecting people's feelings is overreaching. If someone defames another's reputation by stating untruths, the injured person should have the right to legal recourse, (filing a civil suit). However, making this a criminal act is wrong.
LBGTQYHSKOPWMZXXATRE - what does all this stand for? :) The issues of minority communities is very important to the folks in them. I imagine you are not part of such a group. It is understandable why you may not find their concerns important. It can be very difficult to walk in another's shoes.
Not only does government have no business in my sex life, neither should anyone else with whom I do not have an intimate relationship, except if it involves criminal activity.
I'm left of center. Sometimes, some people try to hurt my feelings. If I let them, the onus is on me.
Yes, you don't want government having any business with your sex life unless it means making up new and special rights and laws to force society to recognize and honor same sex marriage. Something that has never exist in the history of mankind.
You don't want the power of government involved unless it is use to promote your agenda?
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Yes, you don't want government having any business with your sex life unless it means making up new and special rights and laws to force society to recognize and honor same sex marriage. Something that has never exist in the history of mankind.
You don't want the power of government involved unless it is use to promote your agenda?
Great post. That’s EXACTLY their idea.
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Already sent in my vote by mail request. Trump 2020. Go eat shit Libtards!
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https://twitter.com/sebgorka/status/1179069176763293697?s=21
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WHEN THE FAWK ARE AMERICANS GONNA GET OFF THIER ASSES AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT THESE CRIMINALS IN THE DEEP STATE????????????? HOW LONG WILL YOU LET THEM DESTROY THE REPUBLIC??????????
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turns out the whistleblower had first hand knowledge
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/intelligence-watchdog-whistleblower-complaint
The inspector general for the intelligence community said late Monday that the whistleblower whose complaint touched off an impeachment inquiry claimed to have firsthand knowledge of misconduct -- a claim that appears to conflict with documents sent to Congress and the director of national intelligence.
The lengthy statement Monday was posted in response to questions, raised in the media and by congressional Republicans, about the disclosure form filed by the whistleblower, who first flagged concerns about President Trump's July phone call in which he asked the leader of Ukraine to "look into" actions by former Vice President Joe Biden and his son, Hunter Biden. The IG said the whistleblower stated on an initial form Aug. 12 "that he or she possessed both first-hand and other information."
According to the watchdog, the whistleblower "checked two relevant boxes" on the form: One stating, "I have personal and/or direct knowledge of events or records involved”; and the other box stating, “Other employees have told me about events or records involved.”
However, the declassified whistleblower complaint sent to Congress last week stated: “I was not a direct witness to most of the events described. However, I found my colleagues’ accounts of these events to be credible because, in almost all cases, multiple officials recounted fact patterns that were consistent with one another.”
Additionally, Inspector General Michael Atkinson's letter sent on Aug. 26 to the director of national intelligence asserted that "the Complainant’s letter acknowledges that the Complainant was not a direct witness to the President’s telephone call….Other information obtained during the ICIG’s preliminary review, however, supports the Complainant’s allegation that, among other things, during the call the President ‘sought to pressure the Ukrainian leader.'"
While the declassified complaint left open the possibility of having some firsthand knowledge -- by saying he or she was not a direct witness to "most" events -- the latest ICIG statement suggests the apparent direct knowledge composed a key part of the initial filing. This would be at odds as well with acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire's testimony describing the claims as "hearsay."
The intelligence community inspector general did not respond to requests for comment from Fox News about the apparent discrepancy.
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;D ;D
https://www.tmz.com/2019/09/28/robert-de-niro-impeach-trump-pence-ukrain-call-the-irishman-premiere/ (https://www.tmz.com/2019/09/28/robert-de-niro-impeach-trump-pence-ukrain-call-the-irishman-premiere/)
;D ;D
Deniro needs to die already.Fucking Mary.
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turns out the whistleblower had first hand knowledge
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/intelligence-watchdog-whistleblower-complaint
Funny how the story keeps changing ::)
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So whistle blower rules which changed in May 2018, almost a year and a half ago, are considered "brand new"? Not to mention that rules don't just change without a lot of discussion, which often goes on for years before there is any action.
It pays to actually read stuff before you post it. Just because it came from FOX News doesn't mean it is accurate or truthful. The media gets things wrong all the time. We all know this.
Bahahahahah prime owning the shit out of coach. That’s hilarious
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Bahahahahah prime owning the shit out of coach. That’s hilarious
The whistleblower law changed about a month or so before the transcripts were released. Sorry
"The internal properties of the newly revised “Disclosure of Urgent Concern” form, which the intelligence community inspector general (ICIG) requires to be submitted under the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA), show that the document was uploaded on September 24, 2019, at 4:25 p.m., just days before the anti-Trump complaint was declassified and released to the public. The markings on the document state that it was revised in August 2019, but no specific date of revision is disclosed."
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Funny how the story keeps changing ::)
The story changed because it was stated that if the whistle blower did indeed have 2nd-hand knowledge... then everything that whistle blower said, could’ve been a lie
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Hugh Hewitt silences Meet The Press panel (awesome)…
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Hugh Hewitt silences Meet The Press panel (awesome)…
Hahaha, that was brilliant
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Yes, you don't want government having any business with your sex life unless it means making up new and special rights and laws to force society to recognize and honor same sex marriage. Something that has never exist in the history of mankind.
You don't want the power of government involved unless it is use to promote your agenda?
Are you on the rag this week?
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Both Primemuscle and Strawman are far left pieces of shit pretending to have some sort of moral high ground. Their fake moral high ground originates from the fact they're genetically and mentally inferior to most other humans and got dumped in trash cans at school as a child. This gives them a mental disorder inferiority complex called 'liberalism' where they're unable to relate to anything seen as strong or normal and can only empathize with groups society deems inferior, pathetic, discriminated against, or defeated such as minorities, women, Native American indians, lesbians, transgenders, or anything else society deems subhuman.
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Trump 2020 Baby
Black Republicans will win the election to our great American Leader.
They are starting to support him more. I am amazed at the number of Spanish voters who are starting to back Trump.
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WHEN THE FAWK ARE AMERICANS GONNA GET OFF THIER ASSES AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT THESE CRIMINALS IN THE DEEP STATE????????????? HOW LONG WILL YOU LET THEM DESTROY THE REPUBLIC??????????
Are you American ?
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The whistleblower law changed about a month or so before the transcripts were released. Sorry
"The internal properties of the newly revised “Disclosure of Urgent Concern” form, which the intelligence community inspector general (ICIG) requires to be submitted under the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA), show that the document was uploaded on September 24, 2019, at 4:25 p.m., just days before the anti-Trump complaint was declassified and released to the public. The markings on the document state that it was revised in August 2019, but no specific date of revision is disclosed."
Fact check: Were whistleblower rules changed before Ukraine complaint?
“The law was not changed. What happened was a form was changed. A form cannot change the law,” one attorney told NBC News.
Sept. 30, 2019, 3:21 PM PDT
By Jane C. Timm
President Donald Trump and his allies advanced a conspiracy theory about the Ukraine whistleblower over the last few days alleging that the intelligence community had recently changed the rules requiring whistleblowers to base their claims on first-hand information.
But the law hasn’t changed, and there is no requirement that whistleblowers stick to first-hand information in their complaints precisely because those filings are designed to trigger official investigations that would uncover such first-hand information, three attorneys who represent whistleblowers told NBC News.
“The whistleblower does not need to prove right off the bat with direct evidence what they’re claiming,” explained Eric Bachman, an attorney with Zuckerman Law who represents whistleblowers. “That type of direct evidence is frankly hard to come by. Instead, the whistleblower needs to have a reasonable belief that something illegal has occurred, and then it’s up to the inspector general to investigate.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/fact-check-were-whistleblower-rules-changed-ukraine-complaint-n1060481
The Disclosure of Urgent Concern form the Complainant submitted on August 12, 2019 is the same form the ICIG has had in place since May 24, 2018, which went into effect before Inspector General [Michael] Atkinson entered on duty as the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community on May 29, 2018, following his swearing in as the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community on May 17, 2018. Although the form requests information about whether the Complainant possesses first-hand knowledge about the matter about which he or she is lodging the complaint, there is no such requirement set forth in the statute. In fact, by law the Complainant – or any individual in the Intelligence Community who wants to report information with respect to an urgent concern to the congressional intelligence committees – need not possess first-hand information in order to file a complaint or information with respect to an urgent concern. The ICIG cannot add conditions to the filing of an urgent concern that do not exist in law. Since Inspector General Atkinson entered on duty as the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, the ICIG has not rejected the filing of an alleged urgent concern due to a whistleblower’s lack of first-hand knowledge of the allegations.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/whistleblowers-firsthand-knowledge/
Atkinson noted that the entire issue is moot because the Trump whistle-blower did have firsthand knowledge. (“The whistleblower stated on the form that he or she possessed both first-hand and other information.”) So no, the law was not changed to allow complaints without firsthand knowledge. And no, this wouldn’t have mattered anyway, because the whistle-blower did have firsthand knowledge.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/10/whistleblower-inspector-general-trump-ukraine-impeachment-conspiracy.html
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Prime are you going to address the fact that you essentially inferred Coach was stupid for posting an article that he allegedly didn't read when you were the one who did not read it? Or are you just ducking that amongst your plethora of replies?
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Fact check: Were whistleblower rules changed before Ukraine complaint?
“The law was not changed. What happened was a form was changed. A form cannot change the law,” one attorney told NBC News.
Sept. 30, 2019, 3:21 PM PDT
By Jane C. Timm
President Donald Trump and his allies advanced a conspiracy theory about the Ukraine whistleblower over the last few days alleging that the intelligence community had recently changed the rules requiring whistleblowers to base their claims on first-hand information.
But the law hasn’t changed, and there is no requirement that whistleblowers stick to first-hand information in their complaints precisely because those filings are designed to trigger official investigations that would uncover such first-hand information, three attorneys who represent whistleblowers told NBC News.
“The whistleblower does not need to prove right off the bat with direct evidence what they’re claiming,” explained Eric Bachman, an attorney with Zuckerman Law who represents whistleblowers. “That type of direct evidence is frankly hard to come by. Instead, the whistleblower needs to have a reasonable belief that something illegal has occurred, and then it’s up to the inspector general to investigate.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/fact-check-were-whistleblower-rules-changed-ukraine-complaint-n1060481
The Disclosure of Urgent Concern form the Complainant submitted on August 12, 2019 is the same form the ICIG has had in place since May 24, 2018, which went into effect before Inspector General [Michael] Atkinson entered on duty as the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community on May 29, 2018, following his swearing in as the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community on May 17, 2018. Although the form requests information about whether the Complainant possesses first-hand knowledge about the matter about which he or she is lodging the complaint, there is no such requirement set forth in the statute. In fact, by law the Complainant – or any individual in the Intelligence Community who wants to report information with respect to an urgent concern to the congressional intelligence committees – need not possess first-hand information in order to file a complaint or information with respect to an urgent concern. The ICIG cannot add conditions to the filing of an urgent concern that do not exist in law. Since Inspector General Atkinson entered on duty as the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, the ICIG has not rejected the filing of an alleged urgent concern due to a whistleblower’s lack of first-hand knowledge of the allegations.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/whistleblowers-firsthand-knowledge/
Atkinson noted that the entire issue is moot because the Trump whistle-blower did have firsthand knowledge. (“The whistleblower stated on the form that he or she possessed both first-hand and other information.”) So no, the law was not changed to allow complaints without firsthand knowledge. And no, this wouldn’t have mattered anyway, because the whistle-blower did have firsthand knowledge.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/10/whistleblower-inspector-general-trump-ukraine-impeachment-conspiracy.html
You just gave me references from Two of the biggest leftist sites on the net with snopes , NY Mag and nbc. Are you kidding? Just take from CNN why don’t you? But I will say all aren’t worth a shit, CNN is the least credible
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Prime are you going to address the fact that you essentially inferred Coach was stupid for posting an article that he allegedly didn't read when you were the one who did not read it? Or are you just ducking that amongst your plethora of replies?
I did not infer Coach was stupid. He isn't. He and I use different resources based on each of our bias. It is unfortunate that he did not provide the source of his information, otherwise I could have read it. From what I did read, the primary source of this conspiricy theory is Trump via his tweets. Some people take Trump's tweets as gospel and some of us think what he tweets is mostly horseshit.
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1179502966606352386?s=21
😂😂😂