Whistleblower Rules Were Changed RIGHT BEFORE the Ukraine Complaint

[JustPlaneJane]

Up there with Bill Clinton:

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman".

“Donald Trump has no path to 270.”

- Huffington Post, November 8, 2016

[Coach is Back!]

Who knows what is fake news and what isn't. All media profits from opposing positions and using whatever it takes to satisfy their target audience, including exaggeration and misrepresentation. What I do know is that the news isn't fake just because one person who is often the subject of bad news says it it. You believe the media you expose yourself to and I believe some of the media I get, which includes FOX News as well as the more liberal sources.

You can’t deny the picture, C’mon man.

[Primemuscle]

You can’t deny the picture, C’mon man.

You're wrong. I can deny anything I want. Remember, this is the Thunder-dome! 

[JustPlaneJane]

You can’t deny the picture, C’mon man.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ukrainian-to-us-prosecutors-why-dont-you-want-our-evidence-on-democrats/ar-BBVHoBf?ocid=sf&fbclid=IwAR1eC1FpPCJhZXrgnY-hs_hslDtyH5lCkCLp5CxQ0AH6YNsMUJAmtD8pFCg

[Coach is Back!]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ukrainian-to-us-prosecutors-why-dont-you-want-our-evidence-on-democrats/ar-BBVHoBf?ocid=sf&fbclid=IwAR1eC1FpPCJhZXrgnY-hs_hslDtyH5lCkCLp5CxQ0AH6YNsMUJAmtD8pFCg

I’m actually blown away this is an msn article

[pellius]

Government protecting people's feelings is overreaching. If someone defames another's reputation by stating untruths, the injured person should have the right to legal recourse, (filing a civil suit). However, making this a criminal act is wrong.

LBGTQYHSKOPWMZXXATRE - what does all this stand for?   The issues of minority communities is very important to the folks in them. I imagine you are not part of such a group. It is understandable why you may not find their concerns important. It can be very difficult to walk in another's shoes.

Not only does government have no business in my sex life, neither should anyone else with whom I do not have an intimate relationship, except if it involves criminal activity.

I'm left of center. Sometimes, some people try to hurt my feelings. If I let them, the onus is on me.

Yes, you don't want government having any business with your sex life unless it means making up new and special rights and laws to force society to recognize and honor same sex marriage. Something that has never exist in the history of mankind.

You don't want the power of government involved unless it is use to promote your agenda?

[Marvin Martian]

Yes, you don't want government having any business with your sex life unless it means making up new and special rights and laws to force society to recognize and honor same sex marriage. Something that has never exist in the history of mankind.

You don't want the power of government involved unless it is use to promote your agenda?

Great post. That’s EXACTLY their idea.

[deadz]

Already sent in my vote by mail request. Trump 2020. Go eat shit Libtards!

[Coach is Back!]

https://twitter.com/sebgorka/status/1179069176763293697?s=21

[milone79]

WHEN THE FAWK ARE AMERICANS GONNA GET OFF THIER ASSES AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT THESE CRIMINALS IN THE DEEP STATE? HOW LONG WILL YOU LET THEM DESTROY THE REPUBLIC?

[Straw Man]

turns out the whistleblower had first hand knowledge

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/intelligence-watchdog-whistleblower-complaint

The inspector general for the intelligence community said late Monday that the whistleblower whose complaint touched off an impeachment inquiry claimed to have firsthand knowledge of misconduct -- a claim that appears to conflict with documents sent to Congress and the director of national intelligence.

The lengthy statement Monday was posted in response to questions, raised in the media and by congressional Republicans, about the disclosure form filed by the whistleblower, who first flagged concerns about President Trump's July phone call in which he asked the leader of Ukraine to "look into" actions by former Vice President Joe Biden and his son, Hunter Biden. The IG said the whistleblower stated on an initial form Aug. 12 "that he or she possessed both first-hand and other information."


According to the watchdog, the whistleblower "checked two relevant boxes" on the form: One stating, "I have personal and/or direct knowledge of events or records involved”; and the other box stating, “Other employees have told me about events or records involved.”

However, the declassified whistleblower complaint sent to Congress last week stated: “I was not a direct witness to most of the events described. However, I found my colleagues’ accounts of these events to be credible because, in almost all cases, multiple officials recounted fact patterns that were consistent with one another.”

Additionally, Inspector General Michael Atkinson's letter sent on Aug. 26 to the director of national intelligence asserted that "the Complainant’s letter acknowledges that the Complainant was not a direct witness to the President’s telephone call….Other information obtained during the ICIG’s preliminary review, however, supports the Complainant’s allegation that, among other things, during the call the President ‘sought to pressure the Ukrainian leader.'"

While the declassified complaint left open the possibility of having some firsthand knowledge -- by saying he or she was not a direct witness to "most" events -- the latest ICIG statement suggests the apparent direct knowledge composed a key part of the initial filing. This would be at odds as well with acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire's testimony describing the claims as "hearsay."

The intelligence community inspector general did not respond to requests for comment from Fox News about the apparent discrepancy.

[robcguns]

   

https://www.tmz.com/2019/09/28/robert-de-niro-impeach-trump-pence-ukrain-call-the-irishman-premiere/

   

Deniro needs to die already.Fucking Mary.

[Coach is Back!]

turns out the whistleblower had first hand knowledge

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/intelligence-watchdog-whistleblower-complaint

Funny how the story keeps changing 

[XFACTOR]

So whistle blower rules which changed in May 2018, almost a year and a half ago, are considered "brand new"? Not to mention that rules don't just change without a lot of discussion, which often goes on for years before there is any action.

It pays to actually read stuff before you post it. Just because it came from FOX News doesn't mean it is accurate or truthful. The media gets things wrong all the time. We all know this.

Bahahahahah prime owning the shit out of coach. That’s hilarious

[Coach is Back!]

Bahahahahah prime owning the shit out of coach. That’s hilarious

The whistleblower law changed about a month or so before the transcripts were released. Sorry


"The internal properties of the newly revised “Disclosure of Urgent Concern” form, which the intelligence community inspector general (ICIG) requires to be submitted under the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA), show that the document was uploaded on September 24, 2019, at 4:25 p.m., just days before the anti-Trump complaint was declassified and released to the public. The markings on the document state that it was revised in August 2019, but no specific date of revision is disclosed."

[Royalty]

Funny how the story keeps changing 

The story changed because it was stated that if the whistle blower did indeed have 2nd-hand knowledge... then everything that whistle blower said, could’ve been a lie

[James]

Hugh Hewitt silences Meet The Press panel (awesome)…

[Coach is Back!]

Hugh Hewitt silences Meet The Press panel (awesome)…

Hahaha, that was brilliant

[Primemuscle]

Yes, you don't want government having any business with your sex life unless it means making up new and special rights and laws to force society to recognize and honor same sex marriage. Something that has never exist in the history of mankind.

You don't want the power of government involved unless it is use to promote your agenda?

Are you on the rag this week?

[Theoak*]

Both Primemuscle and Strawman are far left pieces of shit pretending to have some sort of moral high ground.  Their fake moral high ground originates from the fact they're genetically and mentally inferior to most other humans and got dumped in trash cans at school as a child.  This gives them a mental disorder inferiority complex called 'liberalism' where they're unable to relate to anything seen as strong or normal and can only empathize with groups society deems inferior, pathetic, discriminated against, or defeated such as minorities, women, Native American indians, lesbians, transgenders, or anything else society deems subhuman.

[jude2]

Trump 2020 Baby

Black Republicans will win the election to our great American Leader.

They are starting to support him  more.  I am amazed at the number of Spanish voters who are starting to back Trump.

[che]

WHEN THE FAWK ARE AMERICANS GONNA GET OFF THIER ASSES AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT THESE CRIMINALS IN THE DEEP STATE? HOW LONG WILL YOU LET THEM DESTROY THE REPUBLIC?

Are you American ?

[Primemuscle]

The whistleblower law changed about a month or so before the transcripts were released. Sorry


"The internal properties of the newly revised “Disclosure of Urgent Concern” form, which the intelligence community inspector general (ICIG) requires to be submitted under the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA), show that the document was uploaded on September 24, 2019, at 4:25 p.m., just days before the anti-Trump complaint was declassified and released to the public. The markings on the document state that it was revised in August 2019, but no specific date of revision is disclosed."

Fact check: Were whistleblower rules changed before Ukraine complaint?
“The law was not changed. What happened was a form was changed. A form cannot change the law,” one attorney told NBC News.

Sept. 30, 2019, 3:21 PM PDT
By Jane C. Timm
President Donald Trump and his allies advanced a conspiracy theory about the Ukraine whistleblower over the last few days alleging that the intelligence community had recently changed the rules requiring whistleblowers to base their claims on first-hand information.

But the law hasn’t changed, and there is no requirement that whistleblowers stick to first-hand information in their complaints precisely because those filings are designed to trigger official investigations that would uncover such first-hand information, three attorneys who represent whistleblowers told NBC News.

“The whistleblower does not need to prove right off the bat with direct evidence what they’re claiming,” explained Eric Bachman, an attorney with Zuckerman Law who represents whistleblowers. “That type of direct evidence is frankly hard to come by. Instead, the whistleblower needs to have a reasonable belief that something illegal has occurred, and then it’s up to the inspector general to investigate.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/fact-check-were-whistleblower-rules-changed-ukraine-complaint-n1060481

The Disclosure of Urgent Concern form the Complainant submitted on August 12, 2019 is the same form the ICIG has had in place since May 24, 2018, which went into effect before Inspector General [Michael] Atkinson entered on duty as the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community on May 29, 2018, following his swearing in as the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community on May 17, 2018. Although the form requests information about whether the Complainant possesses first-hand knowledge about the matter about which he or she is lodging the complaint, there is no such requirement set forth in the statute. In fact, by law the Complainant – or any individual in the Intelligence Community who wants to report information with respect to an urgent concern to the congressional intelligence committees – need not possess first-hand information in order to file a complaint or information with respect to an urgent concern. The ICIG cannot add conditions to the filing of an urgent concern that do not exist in law. Since Inspector General Atkinson entered on duty as the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, the ICIG has not rejected the filing of an alleged urgent concern due to a whistleblower’s lack of first-hand knowledge of the allegations.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/whistleblowers-firsthand-knowledge/

Atkinson noted that the entire issue is moot because the Trump whistle-blower did have firsthand knowledge. (“The whistleblower stated on the form that he or she possessed both first-hand and other information.”) So no, the law was not changed to allow complaints without firsthand knowledge. And no, this wouldn’t have mattered anyway, because the whistle-blower did have firsthand knowledge.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/10/whistleblower-inspector-general-trump-ukraine-impeachment-conspiracy.html

[mazrim]

Prime are you going to address the fact that you essentially inferred Coach was stupid for posting an article that he allegedly didn't read when you were the one who did not read it? Or are you just ducking that amongst your plethora of replies?

[Coach is Back!]

Fact check: Were whistleblower rules changed before Ukraine complaint?
“The law was not changed. What happened was a form was changed. A form cannot change the law,” one attorney told NBC News.

Sept. 30, 2019, 3:21 PM PDT
By Jane C. Timm
President Donald Trump and his allies advanced a conspiracy theory about the Ukraine whistleblower over the last few days alleging that the intelligence community had recently changed the rules requiring whistleblowers to base their claims on first-hand information.

But the law hasn’t changed, and there is no requirement that whistleblowers stick to first-hand information in their complaints precisely because those filings are designed to trigger official investigations that would uncover such first-hand information, three attorneys who represent whistleblowers told NBC News.

“The whistleblower does not need to prove right off the bat with direct evidence what they’re claiming,” explained Eric Bachman, an attorney with Zuckerman Law who represents whistleblowers. “That type of direct evidence is frankly hard to come by. Instead, the whistleblower needs to have a reasonable belief that something illegal has occurred, and then it’s up to the inspector general to investigate.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/fact-check-were-whistleblower-rules-changed-ukraine-complaint-n1060481

The Disclosure of Urgent Concern form the Complainant submitted on August 12, 2019 is the same form the ICIG has had in place since May 24, 2018, which went into effect before Inspector General [Michael] Atkinson entered on duty as the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community on May 29, 2018, following his swearing in as the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community on May 17, 2018. Although the form requests information about whether the Complainant possesses first-hand knowledge about the matter about which he or she is lodging the complaint, there is no such requirement set forth in the statute. In fact, by law the Complainant – or any individual in the Intelligence Community who wants to report information with respect to an urgent concern to the congressional intelligence committees – need not possess first-hand information in order to file a complaint or information with respect to an urgent concern. The ICIG cannot add conditions to the filing of an urgent concern that do not exist in law. Since Inspector General Atkinson entered on duty as the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, the ICIG has not rejected the filing of an alleged urgent concern due to a whistleblower’s lack of first-hand knowledge of the allegations.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/whistleblowers-firsthand-knowledge/

Atkinson noted that the entire issue is moot because the Trump whistle-blower did have firsthand knowledge. (“The whistleblower stated on the form that he or she possessed both first-hand and other information.”) So no, the law was not changed to allow complaints without firsthand knowledge. And no, this wouldn’t have mattered anyway, because the whistle-blower did have firsthand knowledge.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/10/whistleblower-inspector-general-trump-ukraine-impeachment-conspiracy.html

You just gave me references from Two of the biggest leftist sites on the net with snopes , NY Mag and  nbc. Are you kidding? Just take from CNN why don’t you? But I will say all aren’t worth a shit, CNN is the least credible