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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Coach is Back! on September 30, 2019, 08:24:34 PM
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Ok guys, I’m not just a meathead bodybuilder. I’ve owned my own facilities where our primary clientele were High School, College and NFL Athletes for almost 20 years. We would also prepare D1 College Football Athletes for their NFL combines and Pro-Days and to this day still have 18+ of our Athletes still active in the NFL. I would like to hear thoughts on this. I’m honestly up in the air. My feelings are if the NCAA is forced to pay D1 Athletes for endorsement deals, it should only be in the form of an added College stipend AND their entire education should be paid as well. IMO, this would still keep their non-pro status until they can prove they are ready for the NFL. Thoughts? Would also like to hear your thoughts on what Mark Cuban had to say...
https://www.foxbusiness.com/sports/mark-cuban-ncaa-players-profit-implode
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All the colleges / university's are making millions of the athletes.. A lot of those players won't make the pro's.. So this wil probably be there only opportunity to make some $$
So I'm all for it..
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All the colleges / university's are making millions of the athletes.. A lot of those players won't make the pro's.. So this wil probably be there only opportunity to make some $$
So I'm all for it..
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You know it just fucking rips my heart out and damn near kills me to think that Gavin Newsom actually made a good call here 😠
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Coach I am mixed on this. I don’t think it should be full on professional - but I don’t like the players image being used without compensation. I do think the value of the scholarship as well as the value of being exposed to professional scouts should be considered - but D1 sports is such a huge business now that this seems inevitable.
It’s very hard to argue against capitalism in my opinion. I expect to be paid for my contribution and it just doesn’t seem like a bad thing to pay these kids for theirs. The NCAA may find that it has the effect of some kids staying in school rather than entering the draft (other than the obvious first rounders).
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It's a racket and the sooner they start paying the ones who actually fuel their racket, the better. Not many make it further, they deserve their money.
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How does sport improve our lives? I mean how does watching other people play sports improve the society? Being paid to play sports is one of the saddest things
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How does sport improve our lives? I mean how does watching other people play sports improve the society? Being paid to play sports is one of the saddest things
Hey dummy, your statement is complete bullshit. You hypocrite. You watch pro bodybuilders get paid to win competitions.
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How does sport improve our lives? I mean how does watching other people play sports improve the society? Being paid to play sports is one of the saddest things
Extrapolate this statement to any form of entertainment.
We shouldn't watch things for enjoyment?
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This a terrible idea. Currently, college kids play sports, because they want to win. That is what has always made NCAA more fun to watch, as opposed to NFL, MLB, NBA.
Take NFL for example. This year, you had several high profile players, sitting out the entire preseason, holding their teams hostage, because they wanted a bigger contract. Furthermore, time and time again, once these high profile players get their huge contracts, they stop playing at 100%. If the NCAA starts paying kids, you'll see the same bullshit, in an even younger, more undeveloped mind.
I envision college kids, threatening to sit on the bench, unless they get more money/endorsements. :-\
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It's contrary to the spirit of collegiate athletics. As is the fact that they already get a free ride, get forgiven for academic underperformance, free housing, and god knows what else. Meanwhile the guys in physics and engineering who are going to actually enrich mankind are under a crushing debt.
Hey, if you want to get paid to play ball then go be a pro, since that is the definition of the word.
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This a terrible idea. Currently, college kids play sports, because they want to win. That is what has always made NCAA more fun to watch, as opposed to NFL, MLB, NBA.
Take NFL for example. This year, you had several high profile players, sitting out the entire preseason, holding their teams hostage, because they wanted a bigger contract. Furthermore, time and time again, once these high profile players get their huge contracts, they stop playing at 100%. If the NCAA starts paying kids, you'll see the same bullshit, in an even younger, more undeveloped mind.
I envision college kids, threatening to sit on the bench, unless they get more money/endorsements. :-\
Agreed. It's another good intentioned idea that will have bad repercussions. It's bad news for college sports.
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Like those kids need 2 be any more spoiled ::)
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Ok guys, I’m not just a meathead bodybuilder. I’ve owned my own facilities where our primary clientele were High School, College and NFL Athletes for almost 20 years. We would also prepare D1 College Football Athletes for their NFL combines and Pro-Days and to this day still have 18+ of our Athletes still active in the NFL. I would like to hear thoughts on this. I’m honestly up in the air. My feelings are if the NCAA is forced to pay D1 Athletes for endorsement deals, it should only be in the form of an added College stipend AND their entire education should be paid as well. IMO, this would still keep their non-pro status until they can prove they are ready for the NFL. Thoughts? Would also like to hear your thoughts on what Mark Cuban had to say...
https://www.foxbusiness.com/sports/mark-cuban-ncaa-players-profit-implode
If they get paid it should be one flat rate for all players because as soon as you build animosity within the team unit people will not play the same, And yes its an ego thing even some pros get to big for their britches
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One of the worst ideas ever. Ever.
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One of the worst ideas ever. Ever.
Oh no ive seen worse ;D
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I didn't click the link, if they want to get paid I would say then universities should stop giving athletic scholarships. If they play well they get their tuition paid for. If they don't then they have to pay for their own tuition, just like the real world.
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Hey dummy, your statement is complete bullshit. You hypocrite. You watch pro bodybuilders get paid to win competitions.
I don’t. Besides BB isn’t a sport.
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I can see a free ride along with a normal financial aid stipend to get them through the semester but fucking getting paid! Is this a joke?
Stipends are funds given to students who meet strict eligibility requirements and are approved and issued by academic departments and/or financial aid offices. Stipends are not loans. Stipends may go directly to the student or be applied to pay certain educational expenses on the University bill.
Please tell me this isn't enough for the normal student-athlete?
The dumbest player on the team can literally finish with a 2.0 and an Engineering Degree b/c the university would assign him a FUCKING PROFESSOR AS A TUTOR. Forget student study hall.
If this isn't good enough, then just let them go to the NFL straight out of high school. The league is already dog shit.
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I would love to see what these 'woke' college students will do when they see athletes getting paid and not them.
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I don’t. Besides BB isn’t a sport.
Agree
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I don’t. Besides BB isn’t a sport.
You don’t watch bodybuilding competitions?
Read your comment in this thread...
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=656501.0
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Agree
Coach do you agree with other statements in this thread?
How does sport improve our lives? I mean how does watching other people play sports improve the society? Being paid to play sports is one of the saddest things
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I don’t think they should get paid. Their school, room and board is paid for in full which is great. That said, the colleges should not be able to use their likeness or names on jerseys either. Fair is fair.
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Coach do you agree with other statements in this thread?
I absolutely don’t agree with that statement. It’s a job. Entertainment or not people need entertainment in their lives. As far as improving society? Absolutely especially starting out in sports at a young age. Most kids will sometimes look up to a good coach as opposed to their own parents.
Using the HOF as an example, I’ve been to one HOF ceremony in Canton and still watch it every year. When most of these guys come up to make their speeches they give most of the credit to their HS and college coaches. Why? Most come from oppressed, single family homes and a coaches guidance is sometimes all they have. If they have bumps along the way during their careers, it’s usually the coach or coaches that get them back on track.
I’m not talking about he Athletes that think they know better that take a different path (Antonio Brown comes to mind as of late) but the ones that use their fame and wealth to helps others. That being said, it’s a HUGE benefit to society.
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I don’t think they should get paid. Their school, room and board is paid for in full which is great. That said, the colleges should not be able to use their likeness or names on jerseys either. Fair is fair.
How about those MFers just go straight to the NFL out of high school and try and make the cut? They do it in the NBA and MLB.
When they go to an nfl camp and get their asses handed to them along with losing their eligibility, let us see them crying about their likeness on a badge at Costco or Target.
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How about those MFers just go straight to the NFL out of high school and try and make the cut? They do it in the NBA and MLB.
When they go to an nfl camp and get their asses handed to them along with losing their eligibility, let us see them crying about their likeness on a badge at Costco or Target.
Can you name one high schooler that has made it to the NFL? LOL!
The NFL has a rule that a person must be 3 years removed from his graduating class before he can be eligible to play in the league.
This new law is fair. Elite players are being paid, and have been, under the table. Make everything on the up and up. The NCAA has been making money long enough. These kids are going to get a cut of jersey and other memorabilia sales. That is fair.
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How does sport improve our lives? I mean how does watching other people play sports improve the society? Being paid to play sports is one of the saddest things
Agreed; watching men in glitter thongs shave, tan, oil up, and pose for a room full of screaming men is much more respectable.
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Allowing them to earn money is a good thing and the way this is supposed to be instituted is beyond reasonably measured. Sports programs are the lifeblood of the majority of US colleges. There's nothing ethical about keeping the athletes from earning money. Why are the coached allowed to make multi-million dollar contracts? Why are the schools allowed to profit in the 10s to hundreds of millions?
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How about those MFers just go straight to the NFL out of high school and try and make the cut? They do it in the NBA and MLB.
When they go to an nfl camp and get their asses handed to them along with losing their eligibility, let us see them crying about their likeness on a badge at Costco or Target.
True but that has nothing to do with them getting paid or not getting paid in college .. and a lot of guys drafted straight out of school into the pros is rare, and the coaches will train and work with them in order to bring them up to speed and they are making bank while they are their and if they get cut in a year or two someone will pick them up
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How about those MFers just go straight to the NFL out of high school and try and make the cut? They do it in the NBA and MLB.
When they go to an nfl camp and get their asses handed to them along with losing their eligibility, let us see them crying about their likeness on a badge at Costco or Target.
No one nowadays that I’ve heard of goes straight to the NFL. Maybe back in the 30’s
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No one nowadays that I’ve heard of goes straight to the NFL. Maybe back in the 30’s
The only difference between a gold medalist boxer going to Emanuel Steward (you don't tell manny to pay you to become the next lennox or vlad) or a 5-star athlete going to a powerhouse university (the univ is preparing you for the nfl if you have the goods) is a promoter, so let the boosters pay the fools. If they aren't on the campus to learn something, then give them an 18 yr old pass and see if they can make it in the nfl out of high school. i played 8 yrs from joe brown - st aug in Louisiana so i have crossed paths with the honey badgers, fournettes of the world.
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The only difference between a gold medalist boxer going to Emanuel Steward (you don't tell manny to pay you to become the next lennox or vlad) or a 5-star athlete going to a powerhouse university (the univ is preparing you for the nfl if you have the goods) is a promoter, so let the boosters pay the fools. If they aren't on the campus to learn something, then give them an 18 yr old pass and see if they can make it in the nfl out of high school. i played 8 yrs from joe brown - st aug in Louisiana so i have crossed paths with the honey badgers, fournettes of the world.
G you're still in your 20's after all these years?
That's great bro!
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G you're still in your 20's after all these years?
That's great bro!
Kordell Stewart was an SR @ John Ehret when I was on 8th grade JV St Aug. I hope this helps.
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Scenario #1 - Guess they know the boomer boosters will be dying off and later generations aren't going to have the stroke to fund this stuff sideways.
Scenario #2 - Pay them to ward off eternal CTE lawsuits.
A majority of these players graduate with a degree(around 70-75% surprisingly...only 5% go pro) so I wonder about the demographic of the 20% of players are that don't get a degree and don't go pro? That's who this caters to IMO.
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None of this matters anyway because the NCAA is not going to allow California universities to do this while still being part of the NCAA. Teams across the country are already backing down from scheduling USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, etc for fear they will be punished. The networks aren't going to favor a handful of Pac 12 teams over Clemson, Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, etc if it means they loose the t.v. contract with the NCAA.
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The only difference between a gold medalist boxer going to Emanuel Steward (you don't tell manny to pay you to become the next lennox or vlad) or a 5-star athlete going to a powerhouse university (the univ is preparing you for the nfl if you have the goods) is a promoter, so let the boosters pay the fools. If they aren't on the campus to learn something, then give them an 18 yr old pass and see if they can make it in the nfl out of high school. i played 8 yrs from joe brown - st aug in Louisiana so i have crossed paths with the honey badgers, fournettes of the world.
Regardless, the NCAA and especially the NFL won’t allow even a walk on out of HS for at the very least, safety sake. The youngest one that I can recall going into the NFL is JuJu Smith at 19 coming out of USC. He did, however come from a football powerhouse at Long Beach Poly. They prepared him for college and USC is a great program for preparing for the NFL. But straight out of HS is a no way.
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You don’t watch bodybuilding competitions?
Read your comment in this thread...
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=656501.0
How does looking at a couple of pics translate into watching BB shows? I’ve been to a couple of shows in the past amd have watched a couple of Olympias and Arnolds ... in the PAST. Couldn’t care less about watching any sports, even soccer which i used to watch religiously but i refuse to watch and promote some low IQ dummies chase after a ball and get paid millions. Good for them but I’ve decided not to support this. Simple as that. To each their own. HTH.
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As long as they take a class in financial planning before they get a check.
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As long as they take a class in financial planning before they get a check.
True, over 70% of NFL players file bankruptcy within 2 years after retirement. Adrian Peterson made 99 million and is 5 million in debt so he has to keep playing past his prime. There is no amount of money that can fix stupid.
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They’ve already been getting paid under the table by boosters for decades. I guess living rent-free, tuition-free, and free clothes doesn’t cut it for the ‘brews, so they’re finally “paying” them. Oh brother!
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I fell like they have a good deal already. As a father of a daughter who went to college on a full ride for basketball, I think this is not right. My daughter got a free education, room and board, and got to travel all over with the team on the schools budget. I know the boys get fed a lot better than the girls and get a lot more nice gear.
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They’ve already been getting paid under the table by boosters for decades. I guess living rent-free, tuition-free, and free clothes doesn’t cut it for the ‘brews, so they’re finally “paying” them. Oh brother!
Yeah, everybody is bitching about the cost of a university education and these clowns get free everything and they still complain. If they don't like the sweet deal they are getting have them go to work in the real world like everyone else making $10 an hour. That one NCAA commercial says college athletes have a higher graduation rate than non college athletes. Of course they do, they get free everything plus have tutors to push, pull and drag them to the finish line. They don't know how lucky they are but yet they complain about not making millions in college. ::)
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Yeah, everybody is bitching about the cost of a university education and these clowns get free everything and they still complain. If they don't like the sweet deal they are getting have them go to work in the real world like everyone else making $10 an hour. That one NCAA commercial says college athletes have a higher graduation rate than non college athletes. Of course they do, they get free everything plus have tutors to push, pull and drag them to the finish line. They don't know how lucky they are but yet they complain about not making millions in college. ::)
Exactly! Student debt is such a hot topic recently but for some reason when it’s mentioned in the paid college athlete debate, it doesn’t seem that important to the people in favor of paying the athletes.
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I'm all for separate companies paying the athletes to use their likeness. These guys can't even make money off of signing a jersey until they leave the school. EASports pays the University but not the player but we all know who number 15 for the florida gators is that's left handed, 6'3" 245 and unstoppable at the goal line.
Now the Universities paying them on top of a scholarship is another story. Thanks to Title 9 there are an equal amount of male and female athletes. When you think of college athletes getting paid, you think of football players. What about the girls swimming program or girls tennis? What do you think it costs to recruit these girls? What do you think it costs to coach these girls? What do you think it costs to have an event? Have you been to one of these events? Who besides the family is there? Most other programs besides football lose money. If the justification is that money is made off of the athlete so the university should pay up, what about the money that it costs the program? Then do you do away with just the programs that turn a profit? I'm not sure what college athletics is supposed to be about but do away with all but 3 female basketball programs in the nation and I'm sure we'd get many people with compelling arguments of what it isn't.
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I'm all for separate companies paying the athletes to use their likeness. These guys can't even make money off of signing a jersey until they leave the school. EASports pays the University but not the player but we all know who number 15 for the florida gators is that's left handed, 6'3" 245 and unstoppable at the goal line.
Now the Universities paying them on top of a scholarship is another story. Thanks to Title 9 there are an equal amount of male and female athletes. When you think of college athletes getting paid, you think of football players. What about the girls swimming program or girls tennis? What do you think it costs to recruit these girls? What do you think it costs to coach these girls? What do you think it costs to have an event? Have you been to one of these events? Who besides the family is there? Most other programs besides football lose money. If the justification is that money is made off of the athlete so the university should pay up, what about the money that it costs the program? Then do you do away with just the programs that turn a profit? I'm not sure what college athletics is supposed to be about but do away with all but 3 female basketball programs in the nation and I'm sure we'd get many people with compelling arguments of what it isn't.
That's a good point about only football making money. Once they start paying football and male basketball players you can bet a title 9 suit will become involved insisting the girls get paid as well even though their sports lose money hand over fist.
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Let the pro teams pay them. After all college sports is basically a minor league for the pro teams
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Let the pro teams pay them. After all college sports is basically a minor league for the pro teams
But no one knows who will make it in the pros beforehand. Fortune 500 companies don't pay for college business majors and future scientists for research and development while they are still students in college. College is to train those students so they can get those jobs in the future and college athletics already does that.