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Title: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: loco on October 01, 2019, 11:06:28 AM
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Oct. 1, 2019

Public health officials for years have urged Americans to limit consumption of red meat and processed meats because of concerns that these foods are linked to heart disease, cancer and other ills.

But on Monday, in a remarkable turnabout, an international collaboration of researchers produced a series of analyses concluding that the advice, a bedrock of almost all dietary guidelines, is not backed by good scientific evidence.

If there are health benefits from eating less beef and pork, they are small, the researchers concluded. Indeed, the advantages are so faint that they can be discerned only when looking at large populations, the scientists said, and are not sufficient to tell individuals to change their meat-eating habits.

“The certainty of evidence for these risk reductions was low to very low,” said Bradley Johnston, an epidemiologist at Dalhousie University in Canada and leader of the group publishing the new research in the Annals of Internal Medicine.

The new analyses are among the largest such evaluations ever attempted and may influence future dietary recommendations. In many ways, they raise uncomfortable questions about dietary advice and nutritional research, and what sort of standards these studies should be held to.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/30/health/red-meat-heart-cancer.html
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: deadz on October 01, 2019, 11:09:05 AM
Red meat consumption should be limited and I don’t need a scientist to tell me this. Rotting flesh isn’t my thing anyway.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: anvil on October 01, 2019, 11:18:08 AM
When the gov't came out with the "food pyramid" people became the shape of pyramids lol
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: loco on October 01, 2019, 11:22:46 AM
Red meat consumption should be limited and I don’t need a scientist to tell me this. Rotting flesh isn’t my thing anyway.

Why?
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: dan18 on October 01, 2019, 11:24:41 AM
Red meat consumption should be limited and I don’t need a scientist to tell me this. Rotting flesh isn’t my thing anyway.
we eat steak once a week or so we like fish salmon, sword fish, chicken, pork chops , shrimp , beef kilbasa too much read meat is bad for the old colon
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: deadz on October 01, 2019, 11:24:54 AM
Why?
Saturated fat does not do a body good.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 01, 2019, 11:24:58 AM
When the gov't came out with the "food pyramid" people became the shape of pyramids lol
Yes, the food pyramid should be called the diabetes pyramid.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 01, 2019, 11:25:46 AM
we eat steak once a week or so we like fish salmon, sword fish, chicken, pork chops , shrimp , beef kilbasa too much read meat is bad for the old colon
Not if you get enough fiber.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: dan18 on October 01, 2019, 11:26:59 AM
Why?
Too much iron and clogs up colon..
pros cons

Pro: Boosts energy levels. There’s a reason a lot of young kids are told eating their meat will make …

2.Con: May increase the risk of certain types of cancer.

3.Pro: Supports a strong immune system. A good immune system is essential for a healthy lifestyle, …

4.Con: May lead to diabetes. Red meat can take an unhealthy toll on your body, and too much of it …

Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: loco on October 01, 2019, 11:27:26 AM
Saturated fat does not do a body good.

Saturated fat and cholesterol in the diet are great for the human body, especially for men.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: deadz on October 01, 2019, 11:28:21 AM
I eat 93 7 ground turkey. Otherwise I eat fish. The thought of a big steak sitting in my stomach disgusts me.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: dan18 on October 01, 2019, 11:29:50 AM
Not if you get enough fiber.
eat grass clippings  ;D no really most people don't so I suggest if you eat a lot of red meat steak ground beef then twice a week drink
Metamucil I do once a week
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: loco on October 01, 2019, 11:30:23 AM
Too much iron and clogs up colon..
pros cons

Pro: Boosts energy levels. There’s a reason a lot of young kids are told eating their meat will make …

2.Con: May increase the risk of certain types of cancer.

3.Pro: Supports a strong immune system. A good immune system is essential for a healthy lifestyle, …

4.Con: May lead to diabetes. Red meat can take an unhealthy toll on your body, and too much of it …



No science to back that up.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: dan18 on October 01, 2019, 11:32:16 AM
I eat 93 7 ground turkey. Otherwise I eat fish. The thought of a big steak sitting in my stomach disgusts me.
love ground turkey but man I fart like a run away train from turkey, the reason people feel bloated from steak is to big and to much iron constipates you :P
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: loco on October 01, 2019, 11:32:33 AM
I eat 93 7 ground turkey. Otherwise I eat fish. The thought of a big steak sitting in my stomach disgusts me.

Fair enough, but it doesn't mean it's bad for you.  Turkey and fish sit and rot in your digestive system just as much.

The thought of eating organ meat, liver, kidney, heart, etc. disgusts me to.  I wish it didn't, because that stuff is great for good health, strength and muscle development.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: dan18 on October 01, 2019, 11:34:04 AM
No science to back that up.
Researchers do not yet know exactly how red meat affects the development of colorectal cancer. Red meat contains compounds that have been shown to damage the lining of the gut and possibly promote cancer. Cooking red meat at high temperatures can also produce other cancer-causing compounds
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: dan18 on October 01, 2019, 11:36:18 AM
Fair enough, but it doesn't mean it's bad for you.  Turkey and fish sit and rot in your digestive system just as much.

The thought of eating organ meat, liver, kidney, heart, etc. disgusts me to.  I wish it didn't, because that stuff is great for good health, strength and muscle development.
Food does not "rot" in your stomach, period. Rotting is defined as the decomposition of organic matter (your food, in this case) as the result of bacterial or fungal action. Your stomach has a pH of about 2.0 or less when fasted, which is more acidic than even vinegar and lemon juice.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: Dave D on October 01, 2019, 11:36:32 AM
Red meat consumption should be limited and I don’t need a scientist to tell me this. Rotting flesh isn’t my thing anyway.

This.

Most people know more than scientists, unless theyre a professed Christian believing in a spiritual entity, then they're a simpleton not open to reasoning.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: loco on October 01, 2019, 11:37:58 AM
Researchers do not yet know exactly how red meat affects the development of colorectal cancer. Red meat contains compounds that have been shown to damage the lining of the gut and possibly promote cancer. Cooking red meat at high temperatures can also produce other cancer-causing compounds

True about cooking at high temperatures, but it's true also for any food including veggies.

Red meat doesn't cause correctional cancer anymore than other foods:

Vegetarians Have Fewer Cancers But Higher Risk Of Colorectal Cancer, Study
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/142427.php
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: wes on October 01, 2019, 11:38:50 AM
Grass clippings are better for you,especially if freshly cut.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: loco on October 01, 2019, 11:38:58 AM
This.

Most people know more than scientists, unless theyre a professed Christian believing in a spiritual entity, then they're a simpleton not open to reasoning.

Where's the science to back it up?
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 01, 2019, 11:41:07 AM
eat grass clippings  ;D no really most people don't so I suggest if you eat a lot of red meat steak ground beef then twice a week drink
Metamucil I do once a week
Black coffee is my Metamucil.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: dan18 on October 01, 2019, 12:06:21 PM
True about cooking at high temperatures, but it's true also for any food including veggies.

Red meat doesn't cause correctional cancer anymore than other foods:

Vegetarians Have Fewer Cancers But Higher Risk Of Colorectal Cancer, Study
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/142427.php

At the end of the day it really all depends on your DNA and whet one is more susceptible too, I know some old time guys who drank eat red meat 4 times a week and smoke and live to be 90. then some have heart attacks at 30 everything in moderation get yearly check ups and live life we only go around once...
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: Gneejack on October 01, 2019, 12:11:17 PM
This.

Most people know more than scientists, unless theyre a professed Christian believing in a spiritual entity, then they're a simpleton not open to reasoning.

I’m not saying scientists are infallible, but to think the average person knows more than a scientist who is an expert at their field is just plain ignorant. If you’ve ever gone to see a doctor instead of getting your medical advice from “most people”, you’ll realize how silly your statement sounds.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: dan18 on October 01, 2019, 12:45:51 PM
I’m not saying scientists are infallible, but to think the average person knows more than a scientist who is an expert at their field is just plain ignorant. If you’ve ever gone to see a doctor instead of getting your medical advice from “most people”, you’ll realize how silly your statement sounds.

Your 3rd post and your mouthing  off ........................ ........................ good job  8)
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: Al Doggity on October 01, 2019, 12:57:34 PM
This.

Most people know more than scientists, unless theyre a professed Christian believing in a spiritual entity, then they're a simpleton not open to reasoning.

Most of what people "know" in regards to diet is based on what has become popular science.

You have people in this thread claiming they don't need science to tell them common sense about a diet, meanwhile the reason they believe these things is because science -possibly incorrect science- has been telling them these things for years. The vilification of dietary fat (especially saturated fat) is a relatively recent turn of events. And its connection to heart disease is still considered a hypothesis. It's been increasingly disputed over the last decade or two.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: Big Tex C*ckburn, PhD on October 01, 2019, 01:57:19 PM
Food does not "rot" in your stomach, period. Rotting is defined as the decomposition of organic matter (your food, in this case) as the result of bacterial or fungal action. Your stomach has a pH of about 2.0 or less when fasted, which is more acidic than even vinegar and lemon juice.


'Food does not "rot" in your stomach, period. Rotting is defined as the decomposition of organic matter (your food, in this case) as the result of bacterial or fungal action. Your stomach has a pH of about 2.0 or less when fasted, which is more acidic than even vinegar and lemon juice.'

Freuman, T. (2015) 'Debunking the Myth of Food Combining'. U.S. News [Online]. Available at https://health.usnews.com/health-news/blogs/eat-run/2015/05/12/debunking-the-myth-of-food-combining

(https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-17-2017/49ZN7I.gif)

You always know when 'dan18' has been up to his old tricks again because everything suddenly starts making sense!
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: joswift on October 01, 2019, 02:05:18 PM

'Food does not "rot" in your stomach, period. Rotting is defined as the decomposition of organic matter (your food, in this case) as the result of bacterial or fungal action. Your stomach has a pH of about 2.0 or less when fasted, which is more acidic than even vinegar and lemon juice.'

Freuman, T. (2015) 'Debunking the Myth of Food Combining'. U.S. News [Online]. Available at https://health.usnews.com/health-news/blogs/eat-run/2015/05/12/debunking-the-myth-of-food-combining

(https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-17-2017/49ZN7I.gif)

You always know when 'dan18' has been up to his old tricks again because everything suddenly starts making sense!

hahaha fuck he stole it word for word.. ;D
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 01, 2019, 02:11:46 PM
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Oct. 1, 2019

Public health officials for years have urged Americans to limit consumption of red meat and processed meats because of concerns that these foods are linked to heart disease, cancer and other ills.

But on Monday, in a remarkable turnabout, an international collaboration of researchers produced a series of analyses concluding that the advice, a bedrock of almost all dietary guidelines, is not backed by good scientific evidence.

If there are health benefits from eating less beef and pork, they are small, the researchers concluded. Indeed, the advantages are so faint that they can be discerned only when looking at large populations, the scientists said, and are not sufficient to tell individuals to change their meat-eating habits.

“The certainty of evidence for these risk reductions was low to very low,” said Bradley Johnston, an epidemiologist at Dalhousie University in Canada and leader of the group publishing the new research in the Annals of Internal Medicine.

The new analyses are among the largest such evaluations ever attempted and may influence future dietary recommendations. In many ways, they raise uncomfortable questions about dietary advice and nutritional research, and what sort of standards these studies should be held to.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/30/health/red-meat-heart-cancer.html

I'm having 12-16oz of red meat per day and I'm almost over it. I'm cutting down to three days for no other reason except I'm sick of eating it. On a side note I put this link on AOC and Cory Bookers twitter feed
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: Grape Ape on October 01, 2019, 02:17:37 PM
I've been reading about the carnivore diet for a year or so.

Not only do they not cut back, it's the primary food source....everything else is secondary, even vegetables.

I will say most of the people promoting this type of diet appear to be in great shape.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: Hypertrophy on October 01, 2019, 02:23:36 PM
Most of what people "know" in regards to diet is based on what has become popular science.

You have people in this thread claiming they don't need science to tell them common sense about a diet, meanwhile the reason they believe these things is because science -possibly incorrect science- has been telling them these things for years. The vilification of dietary fat (especially saturated fat) is a relatively recent turn of events. And its connection to heart disease is still considered a hypothesis. It's been increasingly disputed over the last decade or two.

^This

"Common sense" is simply information passed down from generation to generation. It isn't always correct. Common sense maintained for several hundred years that the sun orbited the earth.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: kreator on October 01, 2019, 02:38:39 PM
There’s nothing wrong with saturated fat. That doesn’t mean you should consume tons of it with simple carbs though. Now we could have a problem if this becomes the norm in your diet. It’s not that much about one source of calories but more about the combinations of different sources of calories. You won’t find a single food in nature that is both rich in carbs and fat. If u know of such food please let me know, I love learning new stuff about nutrition.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: loco on October 01, 2019, 02:48:50 PM
There’s nothing wrong with saturated fat. That doesn’t mean you should consume tons of it with simple carbs though. Now we could have a problem if this becomes the norm in your diet. It’s not that much about one source of calories but more about the combinations of different sources of calories. You won’t find a single food in nature that is both rich in carbs and fat. If u know of such food please let me know, I love learning new stuff about nutrition.

For starters: Milk.

Add to that every single plant base source of fat.  Tree nuts have lots of fat, yet enough carbs that some of them are not recommended for people on the keto diet because they could kick you out of ketosis. 
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: loco on October 01, 2019, 02:51:42 PM
There’s nothing wrong with saturated fat. That doesn’t mean you should consume tons of it with simple carbs though. Now we could have a problem if this becomes the norm in your diet. It’s not that much about one source of calories but more about the combinations of different sources of calories. You won’t find a single food in nature that is both rich in carbs and fat. If u know of such food please let me know, I love learning new stuff about nutrition.

Technically, you shouldn't consume simple carbs, period.  Consuming saturated fat is good for your health, while consuming simple carbs is bad for your health.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: joswift on October 01, 2019, 03:16:20 PM
^This

"Common sense" is simply information passed down from generation to generation. It isn't always correct. Common sense maintained for several hundred years that the sun orbited the earth.

How can a flat disc have an orbit?
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: IroNat on October 01, 2019, 04:19:37 PM
How can a flat disc have an orbit?

And on top of a swimming turtle besides.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: loco on October 01, 2019, 04:53:53 PM
I'm having 12-16oz of red meat per day and I'm almost over it. I'm cutting down to three days for no other reason except I'm sick of eating it. On a side note I put this link on AOC and Cory Bookers twitter feed

LOL...good work, Coach!   :D
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: Hypertrophy on October 01, 2019, 05:50:19 PM
How can a flat disc have an orbit?

lol- I forgot about Wiggsian physics
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: Dave D on October 01, 2019, 06:02:55 PM
^This

"Common sense" is simply information passed down from generation to generation. It isn't always correct. Common sense maintained for several hundred years that the sun orbited the earth.

This.

People still believe anything they are taught.  And if they find out whatever they believe is not true they either abandon the idea completely or they adhere to even deeper.

Learning is dangerous for one's mental well being.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: mac33 on October 01, 2019, 08:17:59 PM
We are made of meat, bones, fat, our hormonal system, nervous system is based on saturated fat and we utilize animal based food best.

Other food is hardly processed by our body and yet, we should eat hydrogenated oils and cellulose based plants. Cause, "rotting meat"...  ::)
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: Tapeworm on October 01, 2019, 09:42:52 PM
I'm all about sardines these days but love a good steak. Meat is good. I don't know how vegans do it.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: MAXX on October 01, 2019, 09:46:06 PM
We are made of meat, bones, fat, our hormonal system, nervous system is based on saturated fat and we utilize animal based food best.

Other food is hardly processed by our body and yet, we should eat hydrogenated oils and cellulose based plants. Cause, "rotting meat"...  ::)
Cows eat hay. They are made out of that too. Terrible reasoning...

Humans teeth suggests we are hunters AND gatherers, not pure carnivors.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: mac33 on October 01, 2019, 10:15:21 PM
Cows eat hay. They are made out of that too. Terrible reasoning...

Humans teeth suggests we are hunters AND gatherers, not pure carnivors.

LOL, do you know the anatomy of a cow? Cow has multiple "stomachs" and micro organisms that break down cellulose. In translation, cows digest plants, humans don`t. What you get out of plants is some minerals, oils and a bit of starch if it is boiled to death. Problem with plants is that they can actually prevent absorption of nutrients even proteins, it is not all good that comes from them.

If you want to see how humans live on meat diets, look at areas where plant growing is impossible yet humans live on meat diet. That does not mean you should not eat other sources of food since they have their benefits as well. It is just a fact that animals provide everything that a human body needs including vitamin C.

We are not lions but we sure as hell ain`t an ox too ;D
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: kreator on October 01, 2019, 11:45:25 PM
Technically, you shouldn't consume simple carbs, period.  Consuming saturated fat is good for your health, while consuming simple carbs is bad for your health.

It’s all relative. You could consume enough fruit and vegetables to provide sufficient amount of glucose for your brain. That’s not much.

Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: kreator on October 01, 2019, 11:50:19 PM
For starters: Milk.

Add to that every single plant base source of fat.  Tree nuts have lots of fat, yet enough carbs that some of them are not recommended for people on the keto diet because they could kick you out of ketosis. 


That’s nitpicking and totally unnecessary unless like u said u’re doing keto. I don’t see why anyone would be doing keto unless they have cancer or dieting

Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: IRON CROSS on October 02, 2019, 12:34:54 AM
Grass clippings are better for you,especially if freshly cut.


Hell yes, sprouts in stir-fry  ;)
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: loco on October 02, 2019, 04:29:10 AM
That’s nitpicking and totally unnecessary unless like u said u’re doing keto. I don’t see why anyone would be doing keto unless they have cancer or dieting

Nitpicking?  You said "You won’t find a single food in nature that is both rich in carbs and fat", which is incorrect.  Then you said "If u know of such food please let me know"

So I let you know of, not just a single food in nature, but many.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: loco on October 02, 2019, 04:30:44 AM
It’s all relative. You could consume enough fruit and vegetables to provide sufficient amount of glucose for your brain. That’s not much.

Consuming simple carbs isn't necessary and it's not good for your health.  Consuming saturated fats is good for your health.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: njflex on October 02, 2019, 05:07:27 AM
love ground turkey but man I fart like a run away train from turkey, the reason people feel bloated from steak is to big and to much iron constipates you :P
LOL..I THOUGHT IT WAS ME I EAT GROUND TURKEY TOO OFTEN BUT TAKE BREAKS CAUSE IT GIVES ME SAME FEELING,,WHY IS THAT?I LIKE TURKEY CUTLETS TOO .
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: dan18 on October 02, 2019, 05:32:02 AM

'Food does not "rot" in your stomach, period. Rotting is defined as the decomposition of organic matter (your food, in this case) as the result of bacterial or fungal action. Your stomach has a pH of about 2.0 or less when fasted, which is more acidic than even vinegar and lemon juice.'

Freuman, T. (2015) 'Debunking the Myth of Food Combining'. U.S. News [Online]. Available at https://health.usnews.com/health-news/blogs/eat-run/2015/05/12/debunking-the-myth-of-food-combining

(https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-17-2017/49ZN7I.gif)

You always know when 'dan18' has been up to his old tricks again because everything suddenly starts making sense!
What tricks lame brain its obvious when you copy and past, I made no secret about it the acids in your stomach is strong food gets dissolved the one food that is the hardest on your stomach is fruit and veggies, it takes along time to break down in your system that's why besides the gerbils in your ass you shit out corn...
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: kreator on October 02, 2019, 06:53:14 AM
Nitpicking?  You said "You won’t find a single food in nature that is both rich in carbs and fat", which is incorrect.  Then you said "If u know of such food please let me know"

So I let you know of, not just a single food in nature, but many.

Does milk contain 30g of carbs and 30 g of fat per 100g? Guess not,  that’s what I’d consider rich in both macros
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: loco on October 02, 2019, 07:49:02 AM
Does milk contain 30g of carbs and 30 g of fat per 100g? Guess not,  that’s what I’d consider rich in both macros

LOL...now you change your story and set impossible standards.  Even if it did and I proved it to you, you'd change your story and move the goalposts again.   :D

That's no way to look at macro ratios in diet, BTW.  Milk is mostly water.  You have to look at calories:

100 g whole milk has 61 total calories
4.8 g carbs (32% of total calories), more grams of carbs than fat, but less calories from carbs
3.25 g fat (48% of total calories), less grams of fat than carbs, but more calories from fat

https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/336070/nutrients

Yes, those are significant amounts of calories coming from both, carbs and fat.  

Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: kreator on October 02, 2019, 09:28:40 AM
I understand your view but still 61 calories per 100g is not much at all for a food that is supposed to be rich in both carbs and fat eventhough milk is mostly water. You won’t find powdered milk out in the wild.
Cashews on the other hand contain 500+ kcals/100g.
But still, foods that are rich in both carbs and fat are, i stand corrected, generally scarce in nature( not non-existant) and probably weren’t consumed on a daily basis in the pre-agricultural era.




https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/06/180614213837.htm

Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: dexitrim on October 02, 2019, 10:55:28 AM
Is this GETBIG....or GETHEALTHY?  ::)
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: dan18 on October 02, 2019, 11:00:22 AM
Is this GETBIG....or GETHEALTHY?  ::)
We transcend  all realms  ;D
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: MCWAY on October 02, 2019, 01:09:18 PM
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Oct. 1, 2019

Public health officials for years have urged Americans to limit consumption of red meat and processed meats because of concerns that these foods are linked to heart disease, cancer and other ills.

But on Monday, in a remarkable turnabout, an international collaboration of researchers produced a series of analyses concluding that the advice, a bedrock of almost all dietary guidelines, is not backed by good scientific evidence.

If there are health benefits from eating less beef and pork, they are small, the researchers concluded. Indeed, the advantages are so faint that they can be discerned only when looking at large populations, the scientists said, and are not sufficient to tell individuals to change their meat-eating habits.

“The certainty of evidence for these risk reductions was low to very low,” said Bradley Johnston, an epidemiologist at Dalhousie University in Canada and leader of the group publishing the new research in the Annals of Internal Medicine.

The new analyses are among the largest such evaluations ever attempted and may influence future dietary recommendations. In many ways, they raise uncomfortable questions about dietary advice and nutritional research, and what sort of standards these studies should be held to.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/30/health/red-meat-heart-cancer.html

This happens all the time. Every decade, "experts" swear up and down that a certain food will KILL YOU DEAD if you eat it.....only to reverse course 20 years or so later.

In the 70s, it was butter (hence, they invented margarine....which they now say is even worse).

In the 80s, it was eggs

In the 90s, it was red meat.

In the 2000s, it was any kind of saturated fat.

So, we're right on schedule for a reversal. And, I just heard that these un-meat burgers, that Burger King and McDonalds are peddling, are loaded with the very thing that was taboo last decade....SATURATED FAT!!!

Now, MCT oil is back in style. I hadn't heard of it since the days of John Parillo in the late 80s and early 90s. It was part of his prescription of feeding certain bodybuilders up to 10,000 calories per day, to help them pile on mass. But, MCT comes from coconut oil.....WHICH WAS A HEARTBEAT AWAY FROM ARSENIC, in days gone by. Theaters stopped using it to make popcorn, for health reasons of course. Now it's all the rage again.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: IroNat on October 02, 2019, 02:04:53 PM
Margarine was invented in 1869 in France.

It's gone through many different formulations. 

You're better off eating real butter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margarine

Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: loco on October 02, 2019, 02:10:15 PM
This happens all the time. Every decade, "experts" swear up and down that a certain food will KILL YOU DEAD if you eat it.....only to reverse course 20 years or so later.

In the 70s, it was butter (hence, they invented margarine....which they now say is even worse).

In the 80s, it was eggs

In the 90s, it was red meat.

In the 2000s, it was any kind of saturated fat.

So, we're right on schedule for a reversal. And, I just heard that these un-meat burgers, that Burger King and McDonalds are peddling, are loaded with the very thing that was taboo last decade....SATURATED FAT!!!

Now, MCT oil is back in style. I hadn't heard of it since the days of John Parillo in the late 80s and early 90s. It was part of his prescription of feeding certain bodybuilders up to 10,000 calories per day, to help them pile on mass. But, MCT comes from coconut oil.....WHICH WAS A HEARTBEAT AWAY FROM ARSENIC, in days gone by. Theaters stopped using it to make popcorn, for health reasons of course. Now it's all the rage again.

Hey MCWAY!  Good post, as usual.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: MCWAY on October 02, 2019, 02:12:42 PM
Margarine was invented in 1869 in France.

It's gone through many different formulations. 

You're better off eating real butter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margarine



Thanks for the clarification. I agree about eating real butter. But, since butter was deemed poison in stick form, margarine became all the rage as a healthy substitute. But, now those hydrogenated oils will supposedly put you in the ground even faster than EVVVIIILLL butter was supposed to do.

Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: MCWAY on October 02, 2019, 02:15:37 PM
Hey MCWAY!  Good post, as usual.

Thanks! I'm sure it won't be long before chicken (heralded as the wonderful substitute for red meat, that bodybuilders have been ingesting ad nauseum, since I first started reading Muscle & Fitness) becomes the latest "death on a plate" food.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: IroNat on October 02, 2019, 02:17:45 PM
I ate a ton of margarine growing up because it as less expensive than butter.

We also ate those canned peas that were all soft and mushy and faded in color and tasted like crap.  Again because they were less expensive.  The can was probably coated with BPA.

And a ton of standard peanut butter that was loaded with hydrogenated fat.

We grew our own vegetables and apples and my father sprayed them with Malthion.

My grandfather put arsenic on the tomatoes to kill the tomato worms.

I should be dead already.


Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: MCWAY on October 02, 2019, 02:19:59 PM
I ate a ton of margarine growing up because it as less expensive than butter.

We also ate those canned peas that were all soft and mushy and faded in color and tasted like crap.  Again because they were less expensive.  The can was probably coated with BPA.

And a ton of standard peanut butter that was loaded with hydrogenated fat.

I should be dead already.


With all that EEVVVIILLLL fat, everyone in your immediate family should be in the ground.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: IroNat on October 02, 2019, 02:22:29 PM
With all that EEVVVIILLLL fat, everyone in your immediate family should be in the ground.

I was still typing so don't miss the rest.  ;D
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: dexitrim on October 02, 2019, 04:10:37 PM
This happens all the time. Every decade, "experts" swear up and down that a certain food will KILL YOU DEAD if you eat it.....only to reverse course 20 years or so later.

In the 70s, it was butter (hence, they invented margarine....which they now say is even worse).

In the 80s, it was eggs

In the 90s, it was red meat.

In the 2000s, it was any kind of saturated fat.

In the 2010s, it was steroids and AI's according to most Getbiggers.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: Irongrip400 on October 02, 2019, 07:34:46 PM
I ate a ton of margarine growing up because it as less expensive than butter.

We also ate those canned peas that were all soft and mushy and faded in color and tasted like crap.  Again because they were less expensive.  The can was probably coated with BPA.

And a ton of standard peanut butter that was loaded with hydrogenated fat.

We grew our own vegetables and apples and my father sprayed them with Malthion.

My grandfather put arsenic on the tomatoes to kill the tomato worms.

I should be dead already.




Leseur (sp?) canned peas. Gross.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: Taffin on October 02, 2019, 10:02:06 PM
What tricks lame brain its obvious when you copy and past, I made no secret about it the acids in your stomach is strong food gets dissolved the one food that is the hardest on your stomach is fruit and veggies, it takes along time to break down in your system that's why besides the gerbils in your ass you shit out corn...

Hahaha!  Quality  ;D
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: Taffin on October 02, 2019, 10:15:45 PM
 ::)

You guys need to get with the program.  It's all about the RAW carnivore diet right now

Erm... well at least to this (admittedly somewhat offbeat) little fella internet 'celebrity' who - for obvious reasons - appears to be one of Vegan Gains' (remember him?) many arch-enemies...





Bleugh! 



Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: mac33 on October 02, 2019, 11:15:33 PM
I ate a ton of margarine growing up because it as less expensive than butter.

We also ate those canned peas that were all soft and mushy and faded in color and tasted like crap.  Again because they were less expensive.  The can was probably coated with BPA.

And a ton of standard peanut butter that was loaded with hydrogenated fat.

We grew our own vegetables and apples and my father sprayed them with Malthion.

My grandfather put arsenic on the tomatoes to kill the tomato worms.

I should be dead already.




Nope, you just ate subpar diet and human body can handle a lot of abuse for a long time.

Being super health scared and eco conscious as is the trend now is something that leads to anti vaccine and veganism cult crazies in end any way.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on October 02, 2019, 11:53:26 PM
Red meat consumption should be limited and I don’t need a scientist to tell me this. Rotting flesh isn’t my thing anyway.

You're a dumb fuck
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: kreator on October 03, 2019, 12:42:16 AM
Look up the story behind the introduction of corn flakes by Dr.Kellogs. If i remember correctly he wanted to supress testosterone levels in young boys thus preventing them to think about sex and masturbating. He wanted them to consume more plant based foods and stay away from meat lol
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: loco on October 03, 2019, 04:51:06 AM
Lancet. 2017 Nov 4;390(10107):2050-2062. doi: 10.1016/S0140-6736(17)32252-3. Epub 2017 Aug 29.
Associations of fats and carbohydrate intake with cardiovascular disease and mortality in 18 countries from five continents (PURE): a prospective cohort study.

High carbohydrate intake was associated with higher risk of total mortality, whereas total fat and individual types of fat were related to lower total mortality. Total fat and types of fat were not associated with cardiovascular disease, myocardial infarction, or cardiovascular disease mortality, whereas saturated fat had an inverse association with stroke. Global dietary guidelines should be reconsidered in light of these findings.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28864332
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: loco on October 03, 2019, 04:53:30 AM
Look up the story behind the introduction of corn flakes by Dr.Kellogs. If i remember correctly he wanted to supress testosterone levels in young boys thus preventing them to think about sex and masturbating. He wanted them to consume more plant based foods and stay away from meat lol

So that's the reason Wiggs stopped watching porn and wacking off after going vegan?  :D
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: deadz on October 03, 2019, 05:07:20 AM
You're a dumb fuck
Suck a dick homo!
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: Big Tex C*ckburn, PhD on October 03, 2019, 06:41:58 AM
What tricks lame brain its obvious when you copy and past, I made no secret about it the acids in your stomach is strong food gets dissolved the one food that is the hardest on your stomach is fruit and veggies, it takes along time to break down in your system that's why besides the gerbils in your ass you shit out corn...

Hahaha, it's obvious when YOU copy and 'past' because the rest of the time your posts are indecipherable! You're an absolute maniac, dan. Don't ever change. Let's forget about your plagiarism tricks - it's all in the paste.

Tex.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: dan18 on October 03, 2019, 06:47:45 AM
Hahaha!  Quality  ;D
Yea I need to log off for awhile you guys are rubbing off on me  ;D
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: Big Tex C*ckburn, PhD on October 03, 2019, 06:49:55 AM
Yea I need to log off for awhile you guys are rubbing off on me  ;D
Gay post reported.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: dan18 on October 03, 2019, 07:03:57 AM
Gay post reported.
No see your eyes saw what you wanted ''gay men rubbing themselves off on me '' that's not what I said, PM primemuscle he will hook you up 8)
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: _bruce_ on October 03, 2019, 01:45:56 PM
When the gov't came out with the "food pyramid" people became the shape of pyramids lol

 ;D
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: illuminati on October 03, 2019, 02:38:24 PM
Living is Bad for your Health as You’re Going to Die
Some sooner than others Regardless of what they do or eat.

HTH

 👍🏻
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: loco on October 03, 2019, 05:42:46 PM
Living is Bad for your Health as You’re Going to Die
Some sooner than others Regardless of what they do or eat.

HTH

 👍🏻

Yup, but quality of life is very important.

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Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: illuminati on October 04, 2019, 01:48:22 AM
Yup, but quality of life is very important.

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Correct It is.
I didn’t say it wasn’t or mention it.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: loco on October 04, 2019, 05:05:21 AM
Correct It is.
I didn’t say it wasn’t or mention it.

What you said is a common saying I hear often, and it's true.  Quality of life is my usual response to that, especially the part about "Regardless of what they do or eat."  What you do or eat won't keep you from dying, but it can make a huge difference in your quality of life.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: illuminati on October 04, 2019, 05:48:11 AM
What you said is a common saying I hear often, and it's true.  Quality of life is my usual response to that, especially the part about "Regardless of what they do or eat."  What you do or eat won't keep you from dying, but it can make a huge difference in your quality of life.

Yes & More Importantly Luck does
Luck in your genetics & luck in your everyday Life.
Title: Re: Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.
Post by: loco on October 04, 2019, 05:59:45 AM
Yes & More Importantly Luck does
Luck in your genetics & luck in your everyday Life.

Don't know about more importantly, but definitely important.

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