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Just trying to gague worst case scenerio if a fusion or disc replacement is the lesser of two evils. Thanks.
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Just trying to gague worst case scenerio if a fusion or disc replacement is the lesser of two evils. Thanks.
What does your doctor say? It seems to me that every case is different. It might not be a great idea to act on someone else's experience.
Based on the results of a moment of Internet search, I'd think disk replacement is the better option.....but, I am not your doctor.
Lumbar fusion surgery eliminates motion between vertebrae by fusing together two vertebrae so that they heal into a single, solid bone. ... Fusion is different than disc replacement in that the results of the surgery may vary. Disc replacement has a higher success rate for reduced lower back pain and increased mobility.
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I had a spinal fusion (L4 & L5) last July when I was 51. I had been dealing with lower back issues for around 15 years and it was getting progressively worse. Herniated discs plus some other shit going on. Smartest thing I ever did because I am feeling great but have been smart about not doing anything that would fuck it up again. Squats and deadlifts are a thing of the past and I keep it light and little things like putting my feet up flat for bench press keeps from arching my back. And a lot of seated cardio for back support.
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What does your doctor say? It seems to me that every case is different. It might not be a great idea to act on someone else's experience.
Based on the results of a moment of Internet search, I'd think disk replacement is the better option.....but, I am not your doctor.
Lumbar fusion surgery eliminates motion between vertebrae by fusing together two vertebrae so that they heal into a single, solid bone. ... Fusion is different than disc replacement in that the results of the surgery may vary. Disc replacement has a higher success rate for reduced lower back pain and increased mobility.
Thank god you’re not his doctor or you’d have him bent over with your fist a foot up his arse and wouldn’t have the decency to wear a glove
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Mine are degenerating and surgery's in my future. One mess at a time though, after this CVD issue (stent, etc) is taken care of...
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Thank god you’re not his doctor or you’d have him bent over with your fist a foot up his arse and wouldn’t have the decency to wear a glove
Thank goodness you are a complete idiot who is so obsessed with me that you have unending time to waste inventing and posting your ridiculous and irrelevant fantasies on Getbig. As if anyone cares. ;D ;D ;D
P.S. You seem to know a lot about fist-fucking....why is that?
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Thank goodness you are a complete idiot who is so obsessed with me that you have unending time to waste inventing and posting your ridiculous and irrelevant fantasies on Getbig. As if anyone cares. ;D ;D ;D
P.S. You seem to know a lot about fist-fucking....why is that?
Instead of "why is that?" you say "WHAT YOU?"
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Have you exhausted all non surgical options?
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No but I sure feel like I could use a few replaced.
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Mine are degenerating and surgery's in my future. One mess at a time though, after this CVD issue (stent, etc) is taken care of...
Holy crap! When did this all come about?
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Have you exhausted all non surgical options?
I’m not sure about all, but he been in and out of PT for five years and have had a few injections, one of which lead to some pretty serious complications that have made it worse. Hopefully it’s just a bad stretch here and it will get a bit better. I will say, I’m wondering if it’s the chiropractor I have been seeing the last month or so that’s made it worse. I’ve also been doing dry needling twice a week the last two weeks as well. Tingling in both lower extremities with pain in the low back. I don’t do any narcotic pain management either, though there are times I wish I did, which is exactly why I’m glad I don’t!
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Good luck Irongrip and Powerlift66........my back is a mess and I can only begin to imagine how you guys must feel.
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Chiropractic has no basis in science.
Some loon made it all up many years ago.
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My wife is facing having three disks replaced in her neck. The neurosurgeon showed us the MRI clearly showing the nerves are compressed on one side. My daughters are in the health field and said the results vary according to the doctor's skill. Some have bad result after bad result. It also helps to find one that does it on a regular basis. If the guy is replacing disks 6 times a week he should be very experienced and hopefully up to date with the newest procedures and appliances. Especially in the neck where it's major surgery. They go in from the front of the neck moving your esophagus and trachea to access the spine. Due to arthritis and disks that are compressed it can cause the nerves in the neck to wreck havoc. The pain can be excruciating. The pain is actually taking place in the brain but because of the nerves it's felt in the upper back, arms and hand.
Sometimes I think it a better course of action as we age is to stop doing things like the squat. Many can do it with no repercussions but some will get compressed disks as they age causing major problems. I won't even mention the hip joint. You can work the legs really hard with stuff like dumbbell squats, jumps, free hand squats, kick back machines, leg press and other means.
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No but I sure feel like I could use a few replaced.
Dude - it’s a good thing that I don’t actually NEED everything replaced that FEELS like it.
I’d be a robot in no time! ;D
I remember hearing the “old farts” telling me how I would regret all the heavy weights and how big I would get.
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Dude - it’s a good thing that I don’t actually NEED everything replaced that FEELS like it.
I’d be a robot in no time! ;D
I remember hearing the “old farts” telling me how I would regret all the heavy weights and how big I would get.
YUP,I never listened to anyone n I`m paying for it to a degree anyway.
I`m a lot better off than a lot of guys I know though so I guess that`s some consolation.
It could always be worse.
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My wife is facing having three disks replaced in her neck. The neurosurgeon showed us the MRI clearly showing the nerves are compressed on one side. My daughters are in the health field and said the results vary according to the doctor's skill. Some have bad result after bad result. It also helps to find one that does it on a regular basis. If the guy is replacing disks 6 times a week he should be very experienced and hopefully up to date with the newest procedures and appliances. Especially in the neck where it's major surgery. They go in from the front of the neck moving your esophagus and trachea to access the spine. Due to arthritis and disks that are compressed it can cause the nerves in the neck to wreck havoc. The pain can be excruciating. The pain is actually taking place in the brain but because of the nerves it's felt in the upper back, arms and hand.
Sometimes I think it a better course of action as we age is to stop doing things like the squat. Many can do it with no repercussions but some will get compressed disks as they age causing major problems. I won't even mention the hip joint. You can work the legs really hard with stuff like dumbbell squats, jumps, free hand squats, kick back machines, leg press and other means.
Sorry to hear it Rich.....I hope your wife recovers as best as can be expected.............bet ter in fact.
All the best!!
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Rule of thumb I always heard was always avoid surgery unless you have to crawl into the doctor's office.
You can degenerate and manage pain a long time but when they start removing things that were originally there you can't go back.
Then again, I detest doctors.
Chiropractor is something they made up for hypochondriacs to do between doctor appointments. ;D
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My wife is facing having three disks replaced in her neck. The neurosurgeon showed us the MRI clearly showing the nerves are compressed on one side. My daughters are in the health field and said the results vary according to the doctor's skill. Some have bad result after bad result. It also helps to find one that does it on a regular basis. If the guy is replacing disks 6 times a week he should be very experienced and hopefully up to date with the newest procedures and appliances. Especially in the neck where it's major surgery. They go in from the front of the neck moving your esophagus and trachea to access the spine. Due to arthritis and disks that are compressed it can cause the nerves in the neck to wreck havoc. The pain can be excruciating. The pain is actually taking place in the brain but because of the nerves it's felt in the upper back, arms and hand.
Sometimes I think it a better course of action as we age is to stop doing things like the squat. Many can do it with no repercussions but some will get compressed disks as they age causing major problems. I won't even mention the hip joint. You can work the legs really hard with stuff like dumbbell squats, jumps, free hand squats, kick back machines, leg press and other means.
Was there any injury which caused the damage?
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Some chiropractors are scammers, quacks and charlatans, just like some MDs and DOs who don't know what they are doing. What I find interesting is that my medical insurance as of January 2020 will cover not only chiropractic and therapeutic massage, but also acupuncture.
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Some chiropractors are scammers, quacks and charlatans, just like some MDs and DOs who don't know what they are doing. What I find interesting is that my medical insurance as of January 2020 will cover not only chiropractic and therapeutic massage, but also acupuncture.
Acupuncture does work.
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Acupuncture does work.
Good, because I think I will try it once it is covered. I also plan to take advantage of therapeutic massage. Rather than pay $40 for a pedicure, I can take advantage of using the podiatrist to trim my toenails for free once every two months. Just got the bill for having my teeth cleaned, I owe $O.
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My wife is facing having three disks replaced in her neck. The neurosurgeon showed us the MRI clearly showing the nerves are compressed on one side. My daughters are in the health field and said the results vary according to the doctor's skill. Some have bad result after bad result. It also helps to find one that does it on a regular basis. If the guy is replacing disks 6 times a week he should be very experienced and hopefully up to date with the newest procedures and appliances. Especially in the neck where it's major surgery. They go in from the front of the neck moving your esophagus and trachea to access the spine. Due to arthritis and disks that are compressed it can cause the nerves in the neck to wreck havoc. The pain can be excruciating. The pain is actually taking place in the brain but because of the nerves it's felt in the upper back, arms and hand.
Sometimes I think it a better course of action as we age is to stop doing things like the squat. Many can do it with no repercussions but some will get compressed disks as they age causing major problems. I won't even mention the hip joint. You can work the legs really hard with stuff like dumbbell squats, jumps, free hand squats, kick back machines, leg press and other means.
I have been through this, I had disc replacement 10 years ago now, i waited too long and got atrophy all down my left side, I have replacement at c4,5, c5,6 and C7,8.All titanium.
Procedure done the way you describe I did get 80% muscle back but it never fully recovered same as jay, Ronnie etc once the nerves been compromised it never fully recovers. My chiro missed it, kept trying to rub out the spasms related to the nerve compression that was referring down the associated muscular pathways.
Will never forget the pain, never did any opiate pain or oxy, pre or post, just seeing the zombies waiting for surgery scared the hell out of me.
Best thing I ever done getting it done. Was never the same, never trained heavy again, and could never get as big again as upper body never grew proportionately due to the nerve problem, but you can stay fairly symetrical smaller which suited me, my heavy lifting, contest days were gone and I had a family and business commitments.
Its worth doing you will have far less issues than fusion.
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Check with your doctor if ozone therapy or optic fiber? Therapy can help you instead. Much more less invasive. Did it in two of mine cervical disc and it worked wonders. A bit expensive thoug.
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WebMD article about spine surgery and treatments: https://www.webmd.com/back-pain/back-surgery-types#1
Spine Surgery Overview: https://www.spineuniverse.com/treatments/surgery
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I’m not sure about all, but he been in and out of PT for five years and have had a few injections, one of which lead to some pretty serious complications that have made it worse. Hopefully it’s just a bad stretch here and it will get a bit better. I will say, I’m wondering if it’s the chiropractor I have been seeing the last month or so that’s made it worse. I’ve also been doing dry needling twice a week the last two weeks as well. Tingling in both lower extremities with pain in the low back. I don’t do any narcotic pain management either, though there are times I wish I did, which is exactly why I’m glad I don’t!
your chronically dehydrated possibly low on magnesium
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If surgery is not urgent, try to not do it. Find a good kinesiologist and strengthen whatever you need to help your back heal and become healthier. Walk, don`t sit too much at a time, basically you need to move in a way it helps you. Avoid things that hurt and cause issues, strengthen your body. Most importantly, leave ego behind and heal, all that matters.
Never stress your back for up to two hours after you woke up and started your day. After sleep, your discs are most hydrated and prone to injury.
Stuart McGill wrote some nice books about back and its problems, worth looking into.
Chiropractors I would avoid like a plague...
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At 22 years of age I had spinal fusion. All due to a football injury while playing during a game. The college handled the operation and rehab cost. They had a prime medical center and very qualified doctor/surgery staff and still do. I'm 46 years old now. I do have occasional discomfort, but can't honesty say they cause me any serious pain. Maybe I'm lucky that way, we all respond differently. Of course the older I get, I will probably feel that more often.
A gave rehab a good six to seven months before returning to any form of heavier lifting. I did, and still do, get rolfing/deep tissue massages which really helped the lower back area. Also took up Hatha and Kundalini yoga, which I though was somewhat useless at first, but some good friends of mine insisted. I was very wrong about that, those stretches and hold also helped the lower back and whole body in general.
I liked to train heavy, it's in my nature. I like the rattle and clang of a loaded BB. I returned to heavy training within a year of surgery. Have not had a major injury since that time., back or otherwise. Just have to apply a bit of caution and reason to any exercise and the lower back. I did find that the Goodmorning exercise helped the lower back very well, for me anyway. Have even done heavier partial reps with GM'ings.
Good Luck.
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At 22 years of age I had spinal fusion. All due to a football injury while playing during a game. The college handled the operation and rehab cost. They had a prime medical center and very qualified doctor/surgery staff and still do. I'm 46 years old now. I do have occasional discomfort, but can't honesty say they cause me any serious pain. Maybe I'm lucky that way, we all respond differently. Of course the older I get, I will probably feel that more often.
A gave rehab a good six to seven months before returning to any form of heavier lifting. I did, and still do, get rolfing/deep tissue massages which really helped the lower back area. Also took up Hatha and Kundalini yoga, which I though was somewhat useless at first, but some good friends of mine insisted. I was very wrong about that, those stretches and hold also helped the lower back and whole body in general.
I liked to train heavy, it's in my nature. I like the rattle and clang of a loaded BB. I returned to heavy training within a year of surgery. Have not had a major injury since that time., back or otherwise. Just have to apply a bit of caution and reason to any exercise and the lower back. I did find that the Goodmorning exercise helped the lower back very well, for me anyway. Have even done heavier partial reps with GM'ings.
Good Luck.
Thanks for the input
Check with your doctor if ozone therapy or optic fiber? Therapy can help you instead. Much more less invasive. Did it in two of mine cervical disc and it worked wonders. A bit expensive thoug.
Checking into this next week. Thanks.
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I been avoiding surgery ..
I'm pretty messed up.. 2 herniated discs ..
My Dr. Who is also my brother in law..
Recommended to lose weight and muscle mass.
It reduces the strain on the back..I
Being focused the last year on more cardiovascular exercise vs.. Bulking...
No more squats.. More smith machines..
;D ;D
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If surgery is not urgent, try to not do it. Find a good kinesiologist and strengthen whatever you need to help your back heal and become healthier. Walk, don`t sit too much at a time, basically you need to move in a way it helps you. Avoid things that hurt and cause issues, strengthen your body. Most importantly, leave ego behind and heal, all that matters.
Never stress your back for up to two hours after you woke up and started your day. After sleep, your discs are most hydrated and prone to injury.
Stuart McGill wrote some nice books about back and its problems, worth looking into.
Chiropractors I would avoid like a plague...
I agree with you that modern man sits too much. How many exercise sitting in machines and benches. You have to be on your feet to create muscles that support your spine.
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For whatever it's worth, I've had dozens of clients with back surgeries over the years, most being disc-replacements (handful or more with cages/fusions) and I can think of only 1 (I'm sure there must've been 2,but I can remember just 1) who were happy they did it & most regretted it.
Not looking forward to the time when my neck is bad enough to where I have to either make the decision to fix mine (degenerated disc disease in my neck between c6-c7, c5-c6 and as of 2013 c4-c5 was going as well). Numb bottom half of my right forearm & pinky and ring finger are numb & muscle between right index finger & thumb lost like 75% of the strength out of nowhere one day and it's only gotten back about 40% since then. For a long time I couldn't turn a doorknob or turn my car keys/ignition. Had to put the key between index and middle finger to twist the ignition key. Annoying as fuck.
Oh, and had a noticably bulging disc in my lumbar for years, but doesn't give me much trouble. Maybe once a year my back "goes out" (those who have it know what I mean), but other than that my lumbar is surprisingly "ok" (despite a herniated disc). Suffered from a "pinched nerve" in my mid-back/t-spine since I was 12. Initial injury was from wrestling and hurt whenever I would breath for weeks after. That was part of the initial "re-injury" that got me on painkillers (tramadol) in 2013/14. Had I just "sucked it up" and not said anything to the Dr, I never would've gotten a script for Tramadol/Ultram, and never would've gone to Heroin. :/
Better off just dealing with the physical pain, rather than dealing with physical withdrawal.
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For whatever it's worth, I've had dozens of clients with back surgeries over the years, most being disc-replacements (handful or more with cages/fusions) and I can think of only 1 (I'm sure there must've been 2,but I can remember just 1) who were happy they did it & most regretted it.
Not looking forward to the time when my neck is bad enough to where I have to either make the decision to fix mine (degenerated disc disease in my neck between c6-c7, c5-c6 and as of 2013 c4-c5 was going as well). Numb bottom half of my right forearm & pinky and ring finger are numb & muscle between right index finger & thumb lost like 75% of the strength out of nowhere one day and it's only gotten back about 40% since then. For a long time I couldn't turn a doorknob or turn my car keys/ignition. Had to put the key between index and middle finger to twist the ignition key. Annoying as fuck.
The muscle at the base of the thumb atrophies as a result of untreated carpel tunnel. This muscle is atrophied in both my hands, the right is worse than the left.
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The muscle at the base of the thumb atrophies as a result of untreated carpel tunnel. This muscle is atrophied in both my hands, the right is worse than the left.
It happen over night. One day to the next. I had carpel tunnel when in the early 00's, writing for various bbing websites (biggerbodiesonline, anabolex. Peakmag.com among others,) when I was in prison, typing everyday (state board of nursing, state board of accountancy, historical society, etc..), and it was ok for a while... Then one day "boom", conceal the bottom half of my forearm from the elbows down, my ring finger and my pinky finger on my right hand as well as that muscle between the index finger and my thumb on the right hand. All seemingly overnight.
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It is not clear why someone as wonderfully educated at you spends so much effort and time on a site like this
It's the wonderful community of course!
Been here for many many years, and it is still one forum where you have free speech and can speak your mind without getting banned.
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that sad - you not having any friends (in the flesh) that you can speak your mind to
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It's the wonderful community of course!
Been here for many many years, and it is still one forum where you have free speech and can speak your mind without getting banned.
Agree.
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Agree.
Reported!
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that sad - you not having any friends (in the flesh) that you can speak your mind to
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Sorry to hear it Rich.....I hope your wife recovers as best as can be expected.............bet ter in fact.
All the best!!
Thank you Wes.
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Was there any injury which caused the damage?
None that we can see. Doctor explained with age comes arthritis and worn out disks that can press on nerves. It appears the disks are compressed on nerves and arthritis bone growth is pushing on nerves. He also explained with age you can just move wrong and a vertebra can go out of place pushing on a nerve or compressing it. He explained it could be lot of causes.
I often wonder why I know people my age that have had hip replacement, back/neck pain and knee replacement who haven't done any exercise since grade school. Then you have the joint problems of those that have too much wear and tear through a life time of exercise. I think as we age maybe 55- 60 or maybe younger you have to be careful with your joints. Look at all the lifters like big Lou, Grimek and Paul Anderson that had horrible joint issues. Last time I saw film of Chris Dickerson it looked like he could barely walk. Dickerson competed in the AAU where you had to get athletic points through Olympic lifting. So there was a time when he lifted heavy. Then again you have guys like Danny Padilla who appear to have very few joint issues. Maybe his moderate weight volume method saved his joints.
I don't think most can lift for four plus decades and not have joint issues.
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It's hard to explain why.
We could blame heavy weights but then, as you said, people who never lifted also have these problems.
Could be genetic.
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It's hard to explain why.
We could blame heavy weights but then, as you said, people who never lifted also have these problems.
Could be genetic.
I think it's both. Exercise will make bones and the connective tissue stronger but any athletic activity carries risk. People who have never exercised have soft bones and weak connective tissue that leads to these joint replacement problems. Too much of the wrong athletic exercise will cause the same problems through over use. So it's genetics, lack of exercise; too much exercise and too much of the wrong exercise as we age. I don't have the answers but only speculation.
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None that we can see. Doctor explained with age comes arthritis and worn out disks that can press on nerves. It appears the disks are compressed on nerves and arthritis bone growth is pushing on nerves. He also explained with age you can just move wrong and a vertebra can go out of place pushing on a nerve or compressing it. He explained it could be lot of causes.
I often wonder why I know people my age that have had hip replacement, back/neck pain and knee replacement who haven't done any exercise since grade school. Then you have the joint problems of those that have too much wear and tear through a life time of exercise. I think as we age maybe 55- 60 or maybe younger you have to be careful with your joints. Look at all the lifters like big Lou, Grimek and Paul Anderson that had horrible joint issues. Last time I saw film of Chris Dickerson it looked like he could barely walk. Dickerson competed in the AAU where you had to get athletic points through Olympic lifting. So there was a time when he lifted heavy. Then again you have guys like Danny Padilla who appear to have very few joint issues. Maybe his moderate weight volume method saved his joints.
I don't think most can lift for four plus decades and not have joint issues.
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Only took 2 decades to destroy my back/neck.
*Think some of my neck issues got worse when I was doing behind the neck push-press In prison, going back to one day in particular. Push-pressed 250 one day and when it went up, I hadn't considered how heavy it was & how I was gonna get it down, so it came crashing down behind my head on my neck and could hear a loud (training partner kid heard it as well surprisingly) *crack* in my ears, and my whole right arm went numb and tingling... Seriously thought I'd broken or cracked a vertebrae in my neck. Walked around a little, afraid to turn my head, but tried a little and seemed fine. That was the end of the training session and sat the rest of the rec-session sitting in the 90% humudity 98° sun thinking my training carer was over. Believe that was 2009, so would've been a decent 13½yrs lol. Wasn't till 2012 the I found out I had "degenerative disc disease" after a bunch of MRIs when I hospital for "thyrotoxic periodic paralysis" when I fucked up on t4/t3 doses (was given 200mcg/ml t3 labled as 100mcg/ml t4 & was using 1ml [200mcg t3] /day for 9minths n dropped 60lbs lol... Felt like shit, but could see striations in my face-muscles despite taking in a good 4500kcals+ /day haha.... Anyways...)
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