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Looks decent. Would likely beat Curry if he returned.
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Looks decent. Would likely beat Curry if he returned.
(https://i.ibb.co/d4TzT6Y/PH.jpg)
I wonder if he is hiding any abdominal problems with his right hand?
But yes, he looks awesome
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Glad he's cutting back on the 'roids.
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Glad he's cutting back on the 'roids.
You have no idea what you're talking about
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You have no idea what you're talking about
he's cleaned out his receptors with the time off.
probably on 500 mg in that pic.
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Yes he would beat Curry.
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I heard Phil was natural up through his 3rd win.
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Looks decent. Would likely beat Curry if he returned.
(https://i.ibb.co/d4TzT6Y/PH.jpg)
Looks very good for offseason. He wipes the floor with Curry and Rhoden.
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I think he looked better when he was playing Division I basketball. Had a real athlete's body.
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Ha ha this gon' be good 2020 Olympia, phil wins easily.
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still got them reverse turnip legs
very few people with good quads these days, all reverse turnips, looks terrible
how come?
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I heard Phil was natural up through his 3rd win.
;D
I heard Ronnie was natural up to and including the 1996 Mr. Olympia. Go figure.
I guess we have similar sources. ;D
PS - I love that in the pro bodybuilding world, using massive quantities of gear can be looked upon as "natural" if said bodybuilder in question tripled his dosages in the years to follow. :)
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I heard Ronnie was natural up to and including the 1996 Mr. Olympia. Go figure.
I guess we have similar sources. ;D
PS - I love that in the pro bodybuilding world, using massive quantities of gear can be looked upon as "natural" if said bodybuilder in question tripled his dosages in the years to follow. :)
Yes if you use enough the next year then what you used the previous year was relatively low.
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Yes if you use enough the next year then what you used the previous year was relatively low.
Another definition in the bodybuilding world...?:
It's natural as long as no GH or IGF-1 is being used. Maybe insulin.
Other than that - the bodies are as natural as the ones entering a Magic The Gathering tournament.
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still got them reverse turnip legs
very few people with good quads these days, all reverse turnips, looks terrible
how come?
Hmm...? Name some bodybuilders whose quads you consider to be ideal. Phil brought his quads up dramatically as far back as the 2008 Ironman, which he won. Prior to that, I was thinking "Great physique - amazing aesthetics and a great look...but no one is going to win the Mr. Olympia contest, or even be a serious contender, with that back and those legs."
I felt this way in 2007, when Phil placed #5 at the Arnold Classic.
When I saw how dramatically he brought up his legs for his 2008 Ironman win...I was thinking "Whoa...this hype train is the real deal", and he was.
Could you post some photos of bodybuilders who possess the quads' shape you think is lacking in today's field?
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I wonder if he is hiding any abdominal problems with his right hand?
But yes, he looks awesome
He's not fooling me!!! The abs stick out further than the chest...once the waist gets blown out there is no pulling it back just ask Kai!!!
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Hmm...? Name some bodybuilders whose quads you consider to be ideal. Phil brought his quads up dramatically as far back as the 2008 Ironman, which he won. Prior to that, I was thinking "Great physique - amazing aesthetics and a great look...but no one is going to win the Mr. Olympia contest, or even be a serious contender, with that back and those legs."
I felt this way in 2007, when Phil placed #5 at the Arnold Classic.
When I saw how dramatically he brought up his legs for his 2008 Ironman win...I was thinking "Whoa...this hype train is the real deal", and he was.
Could you post some photos of bodybuilders who possess the quads' shape you think is lacking in today's field?
sure 2 examples of elite genetic quad shape
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Heath should join Branch for a horsie ride, and maybe ask him for a job, as well.
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I think he looked better when he was playing Division I basketball. Had a real athlete's body.
Agreed.
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Why does he constantly want to look like a bloated donut? If he’s retired it’s time to drop 60 lbs and stay lean.
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Why didn't he compete this year?
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sure 2 examples of elite genetic quad shape
Agreed, i always thought Munzer had the most complete set of wheels in the industry
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Why didn't he compete this year?
he's a very considerate human being and sat out this Olympia just so someone else can win..... ;)
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I think he looked better when he was playing Division I basketball. Had a real athlete's body.
Phil looks great there and PROVES that genetics is a huge part of this thing (BB)
Absolutely have no doubt he was natural in this pic - but has great structure. That’s ONE way a champ must have great genetics. The other is the “Genetic response to AAS” - anyone who doubts this has no business giving an opinion.
Example - you have a guy like ESF with total shit genetics and almost non-existent genetic response to anabolics. Those kind of retards slam grams and grams and end up looking like a natural dude who trains hard.
It’s this entitled titty baby - everybody has to be equal - pussified society. We need to be able to accept that some of us can do things that others can’t.
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Looks decent. Would likely beat Curry if he returned.
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is this bloated body and estrogen laden face supposed to impress us?
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His hand is covering his umbilical hernia. That protruding belly button that made him lose to Rhoden.
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He looks 5.3" in that pic.
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You have no idea what you're talking about
Whoooooshh
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Phil looks great there and PROVES that genetics is a huge part of this thing (BB)
Absolutely have no doubt he was natural in this pic - but has great structure. That’s ONE way a champ must have great genetics. The other is the “Genetic response to AAS” - anyone who doubts this has no business giving an opinion.
Example - you have a guy like ESF with total shit genetics and almost non-existent genetic response to anabolics. Those kind of retards slam grams and grams and end up looking like a natural dude who trains hard.
It’s this entitled titty baby - everybody has to be equal - pussified society. We need to be able to accept that some of us can do things that others can’t.
i never understood the "genetic response" to drugs
if you use a ton of drugs wouldn't you grow? i think the guys that don't grow are using bunk drugs or have no diet
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i never understood the "genetic response" to drugs
if you use a ton of drugs wouldn't you grow? i think the guys that don't grow are using bunk drugs or have no diet
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Not true. There are variations to the dose/response ratio. Some, say like a Levrone, are hyper responders; then you get someone like Dan Hill, who though above average, will never be world class. Then you have the vast majority of us, you see them everyday at the gym, that will never win a local show. In fact, just look at the guys at State level shows. All of them are juicing. Some barely look like they train.
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Not true. There are variations to the dose/response ratio. Some, say like a Levrone, are hyper responders; then you get someone like Dan Hill, who though above average, will never be world class. Then you have the vast majority of us, you see them everyday at the gym, that will never win a local show. In fact, just look at the guys at State level shows. All of them are juicing. Some barely look like they train.
Even if Levrone is a hyper responder and good genetics he’s definitely using “a lot” in terms of more than local gym rats, the term a lot is relative but many compounds are used to build his physique, same with flex wheeler whom many will argue is better than levrone. Remember Levrone is only 5’9 very skinny lean without all the assistance, same with wheeler, they are very tiny individuals when 100 percent natural
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still got them reverse turnip legs
very few people with good quads these days, all reverse turnips, looks terrible
how come?
Too much wide stance squatting. It over develops the upper quads.
It all boils to forcing size at all costs.
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Too much wide stance squatting. It over develops the upper quads.
It all boils to forcing size at all costs.
yes, its totally possible to develop the upper quads bearing in mind they pull in a straight line from one isnerion point to another..
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i never understood the "genetic response" to drugs
if you use a ton of drugs wouldn't you grow? i think the guys that don't grow are using bunk drugs or have no diet
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Nope - Some have Better Muscular Growth response to using gear
Just as some naturally respond better to lifting / bodybuilding etc
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Nope - Some have Better Muscular Growth response to using gear
Just as some naturally respond better to lifting / bodybuilding etc
how does a guy with high testosterone levels not build more muscle when he is eating and lifting the right way? what is holding him back from growing if he has all 3 qualities?
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how does a guy with high testosterone levels not build more muscle when he is eating and lifting the right way? what is holding him back from growing if he has all 3 qualities?
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esfitness was using over 6gms of gear, why did he not weigh 260lb in shape?
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Even if Levrone is a hyper responder and good genetics he’s definitely using “a lot” in terms of more than local gym rats, the term a lot is relative but many compounds are used to build his physique, same with flex wheeler whom many will argue is better than levrone. Remember Levrone is only 5’9 very skinny lean without all the assistance, same with wheeler, they are very tiny individuals when 100 percent natural
Excellent points.
Just pointing out that for most, drugs, no matter how much, isn't going to take you to pro size as far as lean muscle mass. I've just known too many people over the decades that juice to the extreme (10grams/week) plus gh/slin that just didn't get there. They got very big and heavy but fat. And they were using the same gear as others who did much better on less.
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how does a guy with high testosterone levels not build more muscle when he is eating and lifting the right way? what is holding him back from growing if he has all 3 qualities?
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That's the mystery. Why do some people just naturally run faster than others? Grow taller?
Get stronger? Get a bunch of men the same age and roughly the same size and put them on the exact same program and their results will vary.
For example, we all now know about the myostatin effect. A gene that limits muscle growth. Some have more than others and no amount of testosterone is going to compensate for that.
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Excellent points.
Just pointing out that for most, drugs, no matter how much, isn't going to take you to pro size as far as lean muscle mass. I've just known too many people over the decades that juice to the extreme (10grams/week) plus gh/slin that just didn't get there. They got very big and heavy but fat. And they were using the same gear as others who did much better on less.
I agree, true
Genetics is the most important attribute, that’s a given, combine with powerful PED’s and you have an exceptional physique
Seems flex and Kevin were examples of tiny individuals when truly natural, skinny, but very lean, hard gainers but combined with anabolics they blew up. The downside to their physiques from observations is that they are more quicker to lose A LOT when coming down dosages or stopping as say compared to someone like Shawn Ray or Ronnie whom are built much different and more of that thicker, bigger boned meso frame than the other two
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sure 2 examples of elite genetic quad shape
Add Sonny Schmidt to the list
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Phil looking bloofy big
https://www.instagram.com/p/B33YftRpXIr/?hl=en
https://www.instagram.com/p/B33UvcFp77c/?hl=en
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The best ever
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The best ever
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like him or not - that face is the face "I won this event"
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like him or not - that face is the face "it's 2012"
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Ever since legit kigs dried up there doesn't seem to be much talent anymore? ???
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I don’t usually like his build but that pic is amazing.
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Hopefully you meant could have or could’ve.... could of makes no sense ??? ;D
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Ever since legit kigs dried up there doesn't seem to be much talent anymore? ???
Please explain this genius theory. Lol
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The best ever
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That’s a great physique!
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Yes.
Protruding obliques and arms broader than pecs looks great
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Yes.
Protruding obliques and arms broader than pecs looks great
Phil used to look amazing. In his first years like most pros' do.
Then forced to get huge. More isn't always better.
Take a look at the new training partner of Larry Wheels.
That is amazing physique. Even does deadllifts. ;D
And humble person as well.
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The best ever
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Not sure about best ever, but that version can stand on stage with prime Ronnie and prime Dorian any time.
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No it can't if you're suggesting he could be competitive
Ronnie and Dorian are 20-30lbs larger and just as conditioned
He doesn't beat them in a single facet apart from an argument he has better arms than Dorian
Not even close
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Not sure about best ever, but that version can stand on stage with prime Ronnie and prime Dorian any time.
GTFO - maybe to hand them the Sandow - thats it. Ever see Dorian or Ronnie in person in their promise on stage? Its hard to explain in a pic on the web.
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Not sure about best ever, but that version can stand on stage with prime Ronnie and prime Dorian any time.
I agree
People here just don’t like heath cause he collects Jordan’s and does 5 plates in hammer strength machine
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phil from 2011 - 2014 would beat every pro except ronnie in his prime
the hate for him is like lebron, you guys just don't like him personally and you refuse to give him the credit he deserves
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phil from 2011 - 2014 would beat every pro except ronnie in his prime
the hate for him is like lebron, you guys just don't like him personally and you refuse to give him the credit he deserves
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/be/bc/13/bebc13271419c878a9b71a43f37b9585.jpg)
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His 2012 form was unreal
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phil from 2011 - 2014 would beat every pro except ronnie in his prime
the hate for him is like lebron, you guys just don't like him personally and you refuse to give him the credit he deserves
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/be/bc/13/bebc13271419c878a9b71a43f37b9585.jpg)
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Yes he certainly looked good especially in those pics
It’s hard to really judge him against the Best of the 90s & Early 00’s
His size & fullness would stack up well - Not so sure about his Dryness/
Hardness/ Condition would Look next to some of them.
If only - For a time machine.
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Yes he certainly looked good especially in those pics
It’s hard to really judge him against the Best of the 90s & Early 00’s
His size & fullness would stack up well - Not so sure about his Dryness/
Hardness/ Condition would Look next to some of them.
If only - For a time machine.
i don't think it's hard to judge at all
he's probably the most complete bodybuilder ever with no weak poses or weak body parts, he even has calves and forearms
his width isn't great and his abs aren't the prettiest, but there is no perfect body
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GTFO - maybe to hand them the Sandow - thats it. Ever see Dorian or Ronnie in person in their promise on stage? Its hard to explain in a pic on the web.
Did not say he'd beat them. Said he would not be out of place on stage with them. The best version of Phil is only beaten by the best versions of Ronnie and Dorian.
I've been backstage before with Dorian. Back in 96 about 4-5 months before the Olympia. It is a site unlike any I've ever seen.
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i don't think it's hard to judge at all
he's probably the most complete bodybuilder ever with no weak poses or weak body parts, he even has calves and forearms
his width isn't great and his abs aren't the prettiest, but there is no perfect body
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Exactly
If Shawn Ray could stand next to prime Dorian ,I don't see why Phil couldn't , BTW Dorian with his horrible gut (and judges )ruined bodybuilding.
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The only poses that Dorian and Ronnie would destroy Heath on.. would be the front and rear lat spread.
Heath could hold his own on the rest.
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The only poses that Dorian and Ronnie would destroy Heath on.. would be the front and rear lat spread.
Heath could hold his own on the rest.
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Did not say he'd beat them. Said he would not be out of place on stage with them. The best version of Phil is only beaten by the best versions of Ronnie and Dorian.
I've been backstage before with Dorian. Back in 96 about 4-5 months before the Olympia. It is a site unlike any I've ever seen.
Yup. It’s hard to explain. Dorian in person was other worldly.
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Do you have a lat spread comparison of those two?
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Rory said that Phil has the better back, but Coleman has better hamstrings.
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Yup. It’s hard to explain. Dorian in person was other worldly.
I saw Dorian in 1995. His quads look WAY bigger in person.
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I saw Dorian in 1995. His quads look WAY bigger in person.
For whatever reason Dorian's body was not very photogenic. I was at the 1993 Mr. Olympia and his size and conditioning were out of this world.
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Rory said that Phil has the better back, but Coleman has better hamstrings.
Rory always be looking at "hamstrings". ;D
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Rory always be looking at "hamstrings". ;D
It’s his favorite body part.
I’ve been trying to work on my hamstrings for him.
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His ego is his biggest downfall!! It's like a fitness girls that is so gorgeous but a shit attitude....that makes her so fuckin ugly!! Like him!! He really needs to humble up!! Most unlikable Mr. O every for a reason!! Great build but ugly personality!!
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The only poses that Dorian and Ronnie would destroy Heath on.. would be the front and rear lat spread.
Heath could hold his own on the rest.
his hams and glutes were much better than dorian's and his back is more defined, i think phil takes dorian in every pose except front lat spread and abs and thighs
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his hams and glutes were much better than dorian's and his back is more defined, i think phil takes dorian in every pose except front lat spread and abs and thighs
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Dorian gets him on side tri's and rear lat spread as well.
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No it can't if you're suggesting he could be competitive
Ronnie and Dorian are 20-30lbs larger and just as conditioned
He doesn't beat them in a single facet apart from an argument he has better arms than Dorian
Not even close
whooooooosh
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i don't think it's hard to judge at all
he's probably the most complete bodybuilder ever with no weak poses or weak body parts, he even has calves and forearms
his width isn't great and his abs aren't the prettiest, but there is no perfect body
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Opinions Vary.
Dorian wasn’t very photogenic
Where as Phil is
Dorian at his best seen in person was a different entity.
You believe what you want.
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This is one of the worst comparison photos ever. Heath would look like a tiny tit next to a prime Ronnie. Ronnie was much taller and larger than Jay. Jay was taller and larger than Phil. The size ratio of the "Phil vs Ronnie photo" is off. Prime Ronnie was probably 6 inches taller than Phildo. Again, Phil would absolutely disappear next to Ronnie.
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Was thinking the same exact thing. Good post
This is one of the worst comparison photos ever. Heath would look like a tiny tit next to a prime Ronnie. Ronnie was much taller and larger than Jay. Jay was taller and larger than Phil. The size ratio of the "Phil vs Ronnie photo" is off. Prime Ronnie was probably 6 inches taller than Phildo. Again, Phil would absolutely disappear next to Ronnie.
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i never understood the "genetic response" to drugs
if you use a ton of drugs wouldn't you grow? i think the guys that don't grow are using bunk drugs or have no diet
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ever hear of Dan Duchaine??? He took boatloads of every drug under he sun and never even looked like he lifted!!! Others can smell a bottle of test and put on 10 lbs of muscle!!
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Not sure about best ever, but that version can stand on stage with prime Ronnie and prime Dorian any time.
All I see is boatloads of oil filled muscles, insulin bloophiness and a face I want to smash!!! Nothing like prime Dorian or Ronnie at all!!!!
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Phil vs Ronnie
Photo fixed, with a more realistic height comparison.
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Dorian wasn’t very photogenic
Where as Phil is
Dorian at his best seen in person was a different entity.
You believe what you want.
Phil's photogenic?
He has the most punchable face in the history of bodybuilding.
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ever hear of Dan Duchaine??? He took boatloads of every drug under he sun and never even looked like he lifted!!! Others can smell a bottle of test and put on 10 lbs of muscle!!
That's because Duchaine didn't lift plus he did loads of other drugs and lived a terrible lifestyle. Then he died young.
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Opinions Vary.
Dorian wasn’t very photogenic
Where as Phil is
Dorian at his best seen in person was a different entity.
You believe what you want.
i'll believe my own eyes over the nostalgia and bias of others
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i'll believe my own eyes over the nostalgia and bias of others
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Go to Spec Savers 🤣😂
Only You or any of us Haven’t Seen Phil - Ronnie - Dorian
all on stage at the same time at their respective Best.
So it’s purely Speculation.
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Its hilarious how Phil is trying to change his personality, his career is coming to an end and all of a sudden he's trying to be all smiley and friendly. He's trying to be all positive and shit. He knows the fans hate him and he realizes being in the twilight of his career he's going to need them to continue living his lifestyle. It just comes off a fake. All of a sudden he cares about fans?
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Go to Spec Savers 🤣😂
Only You or any of us Haven’t Seen Phil - Ronnie - Dorian
all on stage at the same time at their respective Best.
So it’s purely Speculation.
the problem is phil didn't do anything that changed bodybuilding to leave his mark on the sport
dorian was the first to bring huge size and conditioning, any time you are the first to do something it always leaves a lasting impression
ronnie brought a level of size and overall freakiness we never saw before to leave his mark
phil wasn't the first to do anything, he was never the freakiest or most conditioned of all time, i would argue he is the most complete but many would argue that makes him boring
he is somewhere in between dorian and ronnie and because of that people won't remember him as well, he never had that "we've never seen anything like this before" moment
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Its hilarious how Phil is trying to change his personality, his career is coming to an end and all of a sudden he's trying to be all smiley and friendly. He's trying to be all positive and shit. He knows the fans hate him and he realizes being in the twilight of his career he's going to need them to continue living his lifestyle. It just comes off a fake. All of a sudden he cares about fans?
there is an old saying..."Be nice to people you meet on the way up, because you will meet them all again on the way back down"
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the problem is phil didn't do anything that changed bodybuilding to leave his mark on the sport
dorian was the first to bring huge size and conditioning, any time you are the first to do something it always leaves a lasting impression
ronnie brought a level of size and overall freakiness we never saw before to leave his mark
phil wasn't the first to do anything, he was never the freakiest or most conditioned of all time, i would argue he is the most complete but many would argue that makes him boring
he is somewhere in between dorian and ronnie and because of that people won't remember him as well, he never had that "we've never seen anything like this before" moment
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There’s no problem or issue for Me.
Phil Had a Great Physique at his Best no Doubt about That.
Is he Better or does he even Stack up to Ronnie or Dorian at their Best
Personally I don’t Really Care - It’s Irrelevant- He Was the best at that time.
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ever hear of Dan Duchaine??? He took boatloads of every drug under he sun and never even looked like he lifted!!! Others can smell a bottle of test and put on 10 lbs of muscle!!
Excellent example!
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This is one of the worst comparison photos ever. Heath would look like a tiny tit next to a prime Ronnie. Ronnie was much taller and larger than Jay. Jay was taller and larger than Phil. The size ratio of the "Phil vs Ronnie photo" is off. Prime Ronnie was probably 6 inches taller than Phildo. Again, Phil would absolutely disappear next to Ronnie.
(http://gallery.fit-centrum.cz/albums/fit09/Mr_Olympia_firstround_09/_MG_6182.jpg)
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Wow all of the sudden Phil grew 2 inches ::)
(http://beastmotivation.com/file/2014/04/1463003_700617510002259_1169337719_n.jpg)
(http://beastmotivation.com/file/2014/01/1534405_652446238152720_2012937542_n.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DeG5CTTg_Z8/UA20hn2ncaI/AAAAAAAAIoQ/H03T7hgQ4oY/s640/Mr.+Olympia+2010+(10).jpg)
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This is one of the worst comparison photos ever. Heath would look like a tiny tit next to a prime Ronnie. Ronnie was much taller and larger than Jay. Jay was taller and larger than Phil. The size ratio of the "Phil vs Ronnie photo" is off. Prime Ronnie was probably 6 inches taller than Phildo. Again, Phil would absolutely disappear next to Ronnie.
(http://gallery.fit-centrum.cz/albums/fit09/Mr_Olympia_firstround_09/_MG_6182.jpg)
(https://cdn-ami-drupal.heartyhosting.com/sites/muscleandfitness.com/files/styles/full_node_image_1090x614/public/flex/media/abe1140wtmk.jpg?itok=x42wewql)
Jay isn’t taller ::) jay is 5’8, Ronnie isn’t much either, 5’10 max, Phil is 5’9
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ever hear of Dan Duchaine??? He took boatloads of every drug under he sun and never even looked like he lifted!!! Others can smell a bottle of test and put on 10 lbs of muscle!!
Haha don’t believe everything you read....
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Phil vs Ronnie
Photo fixed, with a more realistic height comparison.
(https://i.postimg.cc/pVS4K7QP/Actual-size.jpg)
ronnie is forever the king
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ronnie is forever the king
Unfortunately, he is now the pauper.
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Opinions Vary.
Dorian wasn’t very photogenic
Where as Phil is
Dorian at his best seen in person was a different entity.
You believe what you want.
You can tell Earl is a small guy. With narrow shoulders. Anyone who thinks Phil is a complete bb is narrow themselves
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yates was on another level in 93, nothing heath has ever put forward has come close.
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Some Phil dickriders are in total denial (not necessarily here on GB) that he regressed slowly over the years and got worse every year. Some even question the severity or legitimacy of his stomach distension! I've never been complementary of Phil, but I can objectively say that his 2011 physique was just flawless - everything was on point.
(https://preview.ibb.co/cfF87e/FE126704_A375_42_D8_84_FB_655_B81_DB11_FD.jpg)
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yates was on another level in 93, nothing heath has ever put forward has come close.
A quantum leap in bodybuilding even if it did usher in the gh/insulin era
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A quantum leap in bodybuilding even if it did usher in the gh/insulin era
You fool.. Dorian got to his size through heavy duty HIT training! ;D ;D
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You can tell Earl is a small guy. With narrow shoulders. Anyone who thinks Phil is a complete bb is narrow themselves
name a more complete bodybuilder
dorian? with those twig arms and lack of separation from the front?
phil is so narrow and small he won 7 titles ::)
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Some Phil dickriders are in total denial (not necessarily here on GB) that he regressed slowly over the years and got worse every year. Some even question the severity or legitimacy of his stomach distension! I've never been complementary of Phil, but I can objectively say that his 2011 physique was just flawless - everything was on point.
(https://preview.ibb.co/cfF87e/FE126704_A375_42_D8_84_FB_655_B81_DB11_FD.jpg)
wow. he should retire already and become an Instawhore like all the other C grade fitness "celebs" there.
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phil at his worst still looks better than dorian in 97
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Some Phil dickriders are in total denial (not necessarily here on GB) that he regressed slowly over the years and got worse every year. Some even question the severity or legitimacy of his stomach distension! I've never been complementary of Phil, but I can objectively say that his 2011 physique was just flawless - everything was on point.
(https://preview.ibb.co/cfF87e/FE126704_A375_42_D8_84_FB_655_B81_DB11_FD.jpg)
Totally ruined his lines. Those who don't recognize Dexter as one of the best ever take a look at Phil over only 6 years.
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Totally ruined his lines. Those who don't recognize Dexter as one of the best ever take a look at Phil over only 6 years.
Pretty much. Played the size game and got bloofy and lost conditioning and flow in the process.
WOOOOSHHH PHILSULINA
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phil at his worst still looks better than dorian in 97
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what does that mean. that Phil at his worst looked better than Dorian at his worst???????
who looked better at their best?
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phil at his worst still looks better than dorian in 97
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This is some majorly low quality bait.. ::) ::)
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Some Phil dickriders are in total denial (not necessarily here on GB) that he regressed slowly over the years and got worse every year. Some even question the severity or legitimacy of his stomach distension! I've never been complementary of Phil, but I can objectively say that his 2011 physique was just flawless - everything was on point.
(https://preview.ibb.co/cfF87e/FE126704_A375_42_D8_84_FB_655_B81_DB11_FD.jpg)
Is that shopped?
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phil at his worst still looks better than dorian in 97
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And the irony too that is the likelihood is Yates would still beat him.
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Is that shopped?
Yes likely the 2017 one is - To Make Him Look Better Than He did 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
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And the irony too that is the likelihood is Yates would still beat him.
Dorians physique sucked ass imo, I’ll give him 93 but all the “you have to see him in person” ::)
“The great white hope” ::)
If you could choose the type of physique I’m sure no one on here would want to look like Dorians, more like bob Paris’s, Lee Labrada, rory, Levrone , etc
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Dorians physique sucked ass imo, I’ll give him 93 but all the “you have to see him in person” ::)
“The great white hope” ::)
If you could choose the type of physique I’m sure no one on here would want to look like Dorians, more like bob Paris’s, Lee Labrada, rory, Levrone , etc
Well, I'm not sure everyone judges a Mr. Olympia by how they would want to look. It's a freak show. Showing what a human being is capable of achieving. I would no way want to look like Health, Coleman, even Haney. I don't want everybody staring at me everywhere I go. Zane is about as big as I want to be because as at least he looks normal in clothes. But no way would I think he should beat Dorian on stage.
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Dorians physique sucked ass imo, I’ll give him 93 but all the “you have to see him in person” ::)
“The great white hope” ::)
If you could choose the type of physique I’m sure no one on here would want to look like Dorians, more like bob Paris’s, Lee Labrada, rory, Levrone , etc
He was completly dominant from the back. +on conditioning.
So that is akmost half of the poses right there. Then along with the side tricep pose and the abs and thighs made it like 80% of the poses won.
He only lost in the most muscular and fdb.
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He was completly dominant from the back. +on conditioning.
So that is akmost half of the poses right there. Then along with the side tricep pose and the abs and thighs made it like 80% of the poses won.
He only lost in the most muscular and fdb and front lat spread
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what does that mean. that Phil at his worst looked better than Dorian at his worst???????
who looked better at their best?
phil looked better when both were at their best, when both were at their worst phil still looked better
hope this helps
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This is some majorly low quality bait.. ::) ::)
so you took the bait ???
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Is that shopped?
Looks shopped to me