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https://www.the123movies.gdn/the-irishman-2019/ (https://www.the123movies.gdn/the-irishman-2019/)
You'll enjoy every bit of the 3:30. :)
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Wow, thanks man
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It's great. I watched it a few days ago.
It's a nice love letter to the genre, other Scorsese films, and his band of actors. If you're a film fan, the 3 hours goes by very fast. Pesci deserves the best supporting actor nod for playing Bufalino. He's wonderful in the part, the best of all three of the main actors, it's sad we may not see him like this again. Pacino plays with the role, and does a bit of scene chewing, but overall a great performance. My main criticism is that he's a little off physically compared to Hoffa, but that can't be helped.
Deniro is the weakest of the three, but still a great performance. You catch him doing some of the cliche "Deniroisms" in the film that might not of been there if this was made a decade or so ago. I also don't like him as an extended narrator, he's not horrible, he just isn't built for it. If you compare it to the narration by Liotta in Goodfellas, you see where it falls short.
My two main criticisms are that he might of let the actors have a little to much fun in the roles. A few scenes are played up too much for comic effect. And the film de-aging isn't quite there yet.
The de-aging works pretty good on Pesci and Pacino where they're only shaving a couple of decades and aren't trying to replace muscle, fat, etc.... But on Deniro, where they're pulling off 30-35 years, and trying to make him seem rough and tumble, you see it. Sometimes he looks like a old man with a fresh botox and "Just for Men" job.
You also see it in the way the guys move sometimes when they get up from chairs, etc.... There is one grocery store scene with Deniro where you really see it. I won't ruin it, but it will leave you :-\ ;D.
You do get used to it, so it won't ruin the film.
Really great entry into the Scorsese canon, and a nice way to see a lot of his main players go out. I give it an 8.5 - 10.
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On a side note, I notice a few younger people can't sit through a 3 hour movie, so try this if you must -
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKjXJZMWoAIkrLV?format=jpg .
You can chop it into a mini-series pretty easily.
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/L45ndNMUWekpfIbhUU/source.gif).
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Also the film pairs well with Casino (there is story overlap), so that might work if you're on a Scorsese film kick.
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It's great. I watched it a few days ago.
It's a nice love letter to the genre, other Scorsese films, and his band of actors. If you're a film fan, the 3 hours goes by very fast. Pesci deserves the best supporting actor nod for playing Bufalino. He's wonderful in the part, the best of all three of the main actors, it's sad we may not see him like this again. Pacino plays with the role, and does a bit of scene chewing, but overall a great performance. My main criticism is that he's a little off physically compared to Hoffa, but that can't be helped.
Deniro is the weakest of the three, but still a great performance. You catch him doing some of the cliche "Deniroisms" in the film that might not of been there if this was made a decade or so ago. I also don't like him as an extended narrator, he's not horrible, he just isn't built for it. If you compare it to the narration by Liotta in Goodfellas, you see where it falls short.
My two main criticisms are that he might of let the actors have a little to much fun in the roles. A few scenes are played up too much for comic effect. And the film de-aging isn't quite there yet.
The de-aging works pretty good on Pesci and Pacino where they're only shaving a couple of decades and aren't trying to replace muscle, fat, etc.... But on Deniro, where they're pulling off 30-35 years, and trying to make him seem rough and tumble, you see it. Sometimes he looks like a old man with a fresh botox and "Just for Men" job.
You also see it in the way the guys move sometimes when they get up from chairs, etc.... There is one grocery store scene with Deniro where you really see it. I won't ruin it, but it will leave you :-\ ;D.
You do get used to it, so it won't ruin the film.
Really great entry into the Scorsese canon, and a nice way to see a lot of his main players go out. I give it an 8.5 - 10.
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On a side note, I notice a few younger people can't sit through a 3 hour movie, so try this if you must -
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKjXJZMWoAIkrLV?format=jpg .
You can chop it into a mini-series pretty easily.
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/L45ndNMUWekpfIbhUU/source.gif).
Apparently, the film was based off of Frank Sheeran's narrative of what happened, which has been disputed by critics. Some still question whether Sheeran actually killed Hoffa. Hmmmmm.
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Just watched it.
Good flick but pretty much the same old Scorsese script.
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It's great. I watched it a few days ago.
It's a nice love letter to the genre, other Scorsese films, and his band of actors. If you're a film fan, the 3 hours goes by very fast. Pesci deserves the best supporting actor nod for playing Bufalino. He's wonderful in the part, the best of all three of the main actors, it's sad we may not see him like this again. Pacino plays with the role, and does a bit of scene chewing, but overall a great performance. My main criticism is that he's a little off physically compared to Hoffa, but that can't be helped.
Deniro is the weakest of the three, but still a great performance. You catch him doing some of the cliche "Deniroisms" in the film that might not of been there if this was made a decade or so ago. I also don't like him as an extended narrator, he's not horrible, he just isn't built for it. If you compare it to the narration by Liotta in Goodfellas, you see where it falls short.
My two main criticisms are that he might of let the actors have a little to much fun in the roles. A few scenes are played up too much for comic effect. And the film de-aging isn't quite there yet.
The de-aging works pretty good on Pesci and Pacino where they're only shaving a couple of decades and aren't trying to replace muscle, fat, etc.... But on Deniro, where they're pulling off 30-35 years, and trying to make him seem rough and tumble, you see it. Sometimes he looks like a old man with a fresh botox and "Just for Men" job.
You also see it in the way the guys move sometimes when they get up from chairs, etc.... There is one grocery store scene with Deniro where you really see it. I won't ruin it, but it will leave you :-\ ;D.
You do get used to it, so it won't ruin the film.
Really great entry into the Scorsese canon, and a nice way to see a lot of his main players go out. I give it an 8.5 - 10.
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On a side note, I notice a few younger people can't sit through a 3 hour movie, so try this if you must -
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKjXJZMWoAIkrLV?format=jpg .
You can chop it into a mini-series pretty easily.
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/L45ndNMUWekpfIbhUU/source.gif).
Could you link me to when DeNiro and the guys get up from chairs or the grocery-scene?
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Apparently, the film was based off of Frank Sheeran's narrative of what happened, which has been disputed by critics. Some still question whether Sheeran actually killed Hoffa. Hmmmmm.
Yeah. Honesty, I don't think he did it, but I do think he was close enough to the main players to get a general idea of how it happened. And most of the main players in the film are guys that fit into the theory the FBI came up with at one point, so :shrug:.
Goodfellas was like that too, Henry Hill was a smaller time gangster than he let on, but he could work all the tales into a good story with some help.
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Could you link me to when DeNiro and the guys get up from chairs or the grocery-scene?
Can't with the chairs, but you notice them hunching more, etc.... Just not the way most 40 - 60 year olds move.
Grocery scene -
https://i.imgur.com/opqPE8A.gif .
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way too long and it was no Goodfellas or Casino, real let down..
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Can't with the chairs, but you notice them hunching more, etc.... Just not the way most 40 - 60 year olds move.
Grocery scene -
https://i.imgur.com/opqPE8A.gif .
Looks quite old to me :D
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way too long and it was no Goodfellas or Casino, real let down..
Not surprised. Hollywood is done. Best to divorce yourself from it.
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Yeah. Honesty, I don't think he did it, but I do think he was close enough to the main players to get a general idea of how it happened. And most of the main players in the film are guys that fit into the theory the FBI came up with at one point, so :shrug:.
Goodfellas was like that too, Henry Hill was a smaller time gangster than he let on, but he could work all the tales into a good story with some help.
Nonetheless a good movie.
Definitely worth the watch!
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Can't with the chairs, but you notice them hunching more, etc.... Just not the way most 40 - 60 year olds move.
Grocery scene -
https://i.imgur.com/opqPE8A.gif .
:D
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/TanFaroffHorsemouse-size_restricted.gif)
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Can't wait to watch.
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I won’t spend one cent on a Robert DeNiro movie.
That liberal crybaby can eat shit.
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I won’t spend one cent on a Robert DeNiro movie.
That liberal crybaby can eat shit.
I'm watching for Pesci.
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I won’t spend one cent on a Robert DeNiro movie.
That liberal crybaby can eat shit.
Awwww, did Robert De Niro hurt your feelings :'(, talking about crybaby :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Here's a little chart with the actors next to their real life counter parts -
(https://i.ibb.co/WDSrTSK/Irishman-1.png).
(https://i.ibb.co/C96XCSS/Screenshot-2019-11-01-The-Irishman-vs-the-True-Story-of-Frank-Sheeran-and-Jimmy-Hoffa-1.png.).
(https://i.ibb.co/Ns93tf7/Screenshot-2019-11-01-The-Irishman-vs-the-True-Story-of-Frank-Sheeran-and-Jimmy-Hoffa-3.png).
(https://i.ibb.co/sWHR31t/Screenshot-2019-11-01-The-Irishman-vs-the-True-Story-of-Frank-Sheeran-and-Jimmy-Hoffa-2.png).
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Great 'revue', BB!
I read the book and just happened to watch the Hoffa killing part on NJetflix which was filmed exactly as the book explained it.
The driver of the automobile which drove Hoffa and Sheeran to the house was somehow related to Hoffa (adopted??) and had no idea what was going on .... nor was at all involved in the killing if I recall correctly.
What ever happened to him before, during, and after Hoffa was 'off-tud'?
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Apparently, the film was based off of Frank Sheeran's narrative of what happened, which has been disputed by critics. Some still question whether Sheeran actually killed Hoffa. Hmmmmm.
I watched about 1/2 to 3/4 of the film. I definitely thought Deniros performance was the weakest in the movie. Didn't seem believable at all. Pacino, pesci, keitel all did really good. The story is good enough to ignore deniros effort.... I never heard of Sheehan prior to this movie and didn't know about him and Hoffa so that for the spoiler.
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What ever happened to him before, during, and after Hoffa was 'off-tud'?
Yeah, I wish they would've showed a little more of that part, but it's a little late in the film, and I guess they didn't want to add more. For his part, Chuck O'brien (Hoffa's right hand man since he (o'brien) was in his 20's) said that he did drive that car, and was making pick ups, but Hoffa never met him. The FBI claims that Hoffa was in the car at some point, but they could never prove when.
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Yeah, I wish they would've showed a little more of that part, but it's a little late in the film, and I guess they didn't want to add more. For his part, Chuck O'brien (Hoffa's right hand man since he (o'brien) was in his 20's) said that he did drive that car, and was making pick ups, but Hoffa never met him. The FBI claims that Hoffa was in the car at some point, but they could never prove when.
wasnt Hoffa's son in the car when he dropped him and De Niro off, surely he knew what happened..
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Awwww, did Robert De Niro hurt your feelings :'(, talking about crybaby :'( :'( :'( :'(
No, liberals aren’t relevant, but their childish behavior is a source of amusement.
Liberalism is dead and President Donald Trump (with a lot of help from Barry Obozo) killed it.
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wasnt Hoffa's son in the car when he dropped him and De Niro off, surely he knew what happened..
Yeah, the adopted son is Chuck O'brien. They make it seem like he really was Hoffa's son in the film, but he was a young teamster friend of the family Hoffa took under his wing in the 50's. He admits he was driving that car ( borrowed from a gangster everyone all knew ), but that he never saw Hoffa, Sheeran, etc.... on that day. He just ran regular errands like getting the fish, and that was it.
The FBI claims they had Hoffa's scent in the car, and much later found a hair, but they could never prove when Hoffa left it.
https://www.nytimes.com/1975/08/29/archives/obrien-denies-hoffa-presence-in-car-he-used.html .
https://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/08/us/dna-said-to-link-a-friend-to-75-hoffa-disappearance.html .
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3.5 hours? WTF. I'll watch in a couple of installments I guess.
Much too long to sit down and watch in one sitting.
Yes, "Ghey Bob DiQueero" is quite the turd, but I would never see a movie or TV show again if all whiny libtard actors are boycotted.
He's fine playing someone else, when he's himself, that's when it unwatchable.
Di Nero's father was a bender (toe toucher, Ned Beatty, wide receiver, etc) wonder if that screwed with his mental stability a bit.
Might be a closet "naked leap frog contender" himself? ???
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https://www.the123movies.gdn/the-irishman-2019/ (https://www.the123movies.gdn/the-irishman-2019/)
You'll enjoy every bit of the 3:30. :)
Great actors but this movie is sooooo BORING, I turned it off half way thru.
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BB. JOSwift ...Based on my recall after reading the book ... Chuck O'Brian drove the car with Sheeran and Hoffa in the back seat with another guy seated in the front passenger seat (whose name I have forgotten) after picking up Hoffa at the restaurant parking lot (30 minutes late) thinking that he (O'Brian) was dropping Hoffa and Sheeran at the house for a meeting ... upon which O'Brian and the other guy drove off leaving Hoffa and Sheeran to enter the empty house.
And as shown in the movie Hoffa entered the front door first with Sheeran diretly behind him ... and seeing that the house was empty, HOFFA turned swiftly to go back outside .... but was immediately shot in his head behind his right ear and fell dead immediately.
THe movie shows Sheeran pulling the dead Hoffa a coiple of feet which I assume to have him bleed out in the space which was previously prepared for Hoffa to do so.
As mentioned earlier many investigators including FBI personnel do not believe that Sheeran killed Hoffa, but the author who is convinced thay Sheeran killed Hoffa believes that Sheeran was definitely the killer because Sheeran apparently confessed to a priest in an effort to make spiritual ammends before he died as most of them bad Italian guys were
in fact of the Catholic faith and would go straight to hell if they did not proclaim their sorrow prior to their death.
I believe that that confession scene is in the movie..
(That in itself is an interesting topic to discuss,)
I did watch the closing credits and was somewhat disappointed that there was no mention about the principal individuals prior to their death.
And there was no mention of "An offer you cannot refuse" nor .... a dead horse-head beneath the sheets!
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I won’t spend one cent on a Robert DeNiro movie.
That liberal crybaby can eat shit.
THIS ;)
It's very easy to get nicely pirated DVD's :D
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DeNiro can barely walk. The movie is pathetic. I would walk out of that movie if it were being shown in an airplane.
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DeNiro can barely walk. The movie is pathetic. I would walk out of that movie if it were being shown in an airplane.
Pretty much, lol.
Deniro and Pesci are 76 and Pacino is 79! :o
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I just finished watching it , 6/10
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THIS ;)
It's very easy to get nicely pirated DVD's :D
It’s on Netflix
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Martin Scorsese's newest film was almost a recycling of some of his old films and with the same three stock actors. . . Watched it and it was like watching bits of Goodfellow's, Casino and even Mean Streets all rolled into one. Which is not to say that in a negative way, but seeing one Scorsese mafia movie..pretty much not surprise by anything from him. But they are all film classics, of course. DeNero was too old for the Irishman role. Which put a damper on the whole movie for me. That fact kept running through my mine watching. Only time DeNero seemed to fit was when he was in that wheelchair. Can make a young actor look old, but not a old actor look young with any great success. Even though DeNero's father was half Italian and half Irish, and his mother was mostly Angel-Saxon/German, DeNero still looked ethnic Italian, far from that Irish look that was needed in the movie. Three hours long, by about a half an hour. Good movie by Scorses, but not a perfect movie, because you really knew want to expect. No shocker, for me anyway. Al Pacino outstanding and he held his at times his over acting in check in this film. What really helped make the movie was all the talented character actors.
Really liked Joe Pesci in Casino and Good Fellows. That was perfect casting for Pesci, underplayed and all, in the Irishman. Still liked the God Father (1 & 2) as my favorite Mafia movie. The Bronx Tale , another underrated gangster movie. That curb scene, in front of the grocery store, really showed DeNero's age. He looked like an old may looking for his walker.
Over all,a very over hyped film, but enjoyable never the less.
(there was another Irishman mentioned in the film. That was JFK and family. Adding the subtle hints that he was the victim of a planned Mafia hit. That Cuba thing was also very interesting and the fact that JFK did turn his back on support during the Bay of Pigs blunder. The Kennedy family did make their wealth from working with the Mafia way back in the day....that's easy to research for any one)
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Well done movie, hate the old actors being CG-ized...the technology is not yet there. I could not stop to think about De Niro's age. I thought he looked a 100 in the movie. Should have had young guys portray early life of Hoffa and Mafia members.
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Finished watching it last night. Movie got better as it went on. Some good acting and suspense. A lot of the supporting cast made the film much better. Deniros performance got better as his character aged closer to his real age. Definitely worth a watch. It's the first good movie these guys have been in in well over 20 years.
I dont like when actors use their fame to broadcast their useless opinions. And deniros behavior over the years as well as his poor film choices have made him much less likable as a human being. But I dont judge an actor on their political views, I judge an actor on their acting and it was nice to see him in a good movie again.
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problem for me with it, and ive only seen half so far, is that Tv has come so far since the glory days of goodfellas and casino.Stuff like Narcos and Gomorah can tell far better and more intricate stories with the same quality of cinematography, production etc now.Back in goodfellas and casinos day, best tv we had was seinfeld and friends.Tv is just flatout better than movies now, the depth of a book with the production of a mid 90s movie.What ive seen so far of The Irishman just feels rushed and souless.
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problem for me with it, and ive only seen half so far, is that Tv has come so far since the glory days of goodfellas and casino.Stuff like Narcos and Gomorah can tell far better and more intricate stories with the same quality of cinematography, production etc now.Back in goodfellas and casinos day, best tv we had was seinfeld and friends.Tv is just flatout better than movies now, the depth of a book with the production of a mid 90s movie.What ive seen so far of The Irishman just feels rushed and souless.
Can't argue with that. The mini-series and multi-year series have jumped past movies the last 20 years (especially the last decade). The Deadwood movie was a good example of that. I appreciate that they tried to close up loose ends, but it really needed at least a short series to tell the story the best.
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problem for me with it, and ive only seen half so far, is that Tv has come so far since the glory days of goodfellas and casino.Stuff like Narcos and Gomorah can tell far better and more intricate stories with the same quality of cinematography, production etc now.Back in goodfellas and casinos day, best tv we had was seinfeld and friends.Tv is just flatout better than movies now, the depth of a book with the production of a mid 90s movie.What ive seen so far of The Irishman just feels rushed and souless.
Very good observation.
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Yeah, you actually need many more hours than 3.5 to tell a story right.
That's why series are better these days, since series today can have the same quality / budget as some movies and are able to convey a much longer time period with much more time to build up character development.
3.5 hours isn't enough to tell a life story of ancient historical characters such as Alexander the Great, Al Capone, the Goodrum Vissy-lovestory etc
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Joe Pesci kept this movie afloat. Was hoping for a lot better.
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It was an excellent movie.
Pesci especially.
It would have been better with someone else instead of de niro though. Not because he's a libtard, but because he didn't fit the role.
But he was the head of the project from what I remember, so it is what it is
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It was an excellent movie.
Pesci especially.
It would have been better with someone else instead of de niro though. Not because he's a libtard, but because he didn't fit the role.
But he was the head of the project from what I remember, so it is what it is
Are you saying the movie wouldn't have been made without him?
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Are you saying the movie wouldn't have been made without him?
Robert De Niro "got the project underway" after reading a copy of the 2004 book I Heard You Paint Houses written by Charles Brandt,[5] with Martin Scorsese saying that De Niro "became rather emotional" as he told him about the lead character.
Film literally got made because of de niro's high estrogen levels
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It was an excellent movie.
Pesci especially.
It would have been better with someone else instead of de niro though. Not because he's a libtard, but because he didn't fit the role.
But he was the head of the project from what I remember, so it is what it is
Yeah, it wouldn't have gotten made without Deniro. I first heard they were going to make it around 2006. It probably would've been better years ago. Deniro also helped wrangle Pesci.
I can't think of another actor though that could easily slide into the Deniro part though, closest I could come up with is maybe Michael Shannon -
https://images.indianexpress.com/2016/04/michael-shannon-759.jpg?w=759&h=422&imflag=true .
All the other actors I thought of Joe Don Baker, Brian Dennehy, etc.... are old as fuck themselves.
Also I think the title "The Irishman" already sets people up thinking about the accent, etc.... But when you hear Sheeran on tape - he's definitely American, New York, Philly, NJish in accent.
Perhaps Getbig can brainstorm it, who does Getbig think he looks like -
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/20/article-1368039-0B40860100000578-808_470x445.jpg).
(facially and physically he looks closest to the character actor Mike Starr ( also old now ) ).
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The Italians were always soft compared to us
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The Italians were always soft compared to us
And sober.
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Just my opinion. Today's movie goers respond to action movies and instant gratification. This was a connoisseur type film paying homage to the films of the past. It could have been this or it could have been that, but frankly, I'm just glad they are still making films like this to at least have the option to watch. Pesci was on point, Pacino thank god had reined in his HOOHA! overacting tendency. Deniro I thought allowed others to take the lead, which speaks well for a leading actor. Overall, I thought it was a good flick.
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BB. JOSwift ...Based on my recall after reading the book ... Chuck O'Brian drove the car with Sheeran and Hoffa in the back seat with another guy seated in the front passenger seat (whose name I have forgotten) after picking up Hoffa at the restaurant parking lot (30 minutes late) thinking that he (O'Brian) was dropping Hoffa and Sheeran at the house for a meeting ... upon which O'Brian and the other guy drove off leaving Hoffa and Sheeran to enter the empty house.
And as shown in the movie Hoffa entered the front door first with Sheeran diretly behind him ... and seeing that the house was empty, HOFFA turned swiftly to go back outside .... but was immediately shot in his head behind his right ear and fell dead immediately.
THe movie shows Sheeran pulling the dead Hoffa a coiple of feet which I assume to have him bleed out in the space which was previously prepared for Hoffa to do so.
As mentioned earlier many investigators including FBI personnel do not believe that Sheeran killed Hoffa, but the author who is convinced thay Sheeran killed Hoffa believes that Sheeran was definitely the killer because Sheeran apparently confessed to a priest in an effort to make spiritual ammends before he died as most of them bad Italian guys were
in fact of the Catholic faith and would go straight to hell if they did not proclaim their sorrow prior to their death.
I believe that that confession scene is in the movie..
(That in itself is an interesting topic to discuss,)
I did watch the closing credits and was somewhat disappointed that there was no mention about the principal individuals prior to their death.
And there was no mention of "An offer you cannot refuse" nor .... a dead horse-head beneath the sheets!
I assumed it was to open the door to exit
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DeNiro can barely walk. The movie is pathetic. I would walk out of that movie if it were being shown in an airplane.
Yep^
The actors are all way past it except Pacino.
Deniro and Pesci can't carry lead roles anymore..... The CGI looked weird and deniro looked awkward and out of place in the role. The story was played out and flat trying to be an instant classic but missing all over the place.
6/10
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problem for me with it, and ive only seen half so far, is that Tv has come so far since the glory days of goodfellas and casino.Stuff like Narcos and Gomorah can tell far better and more intricate stories with the same quality of cinematography, production etc now.Back in goodfellas and casinos day, best tv we had was seinfeld and friends.Tv is just flatout better than movies now, the depth of a book with the production of a mid 90s movie.What ive seen so far of The Irishman just feels rushed and souless.
Goodfellas and casino were true classics, TVs quality has improved yes but that doesn't mean a great story can't be told in three hours, of course it can, like it has been many times in the great movies....
The problem with the Irishman isn't that it's too short, it's that it isn't good enough.