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Title: FISA Abuse
Post by: Dos Equis on December 09, 2019, 01:42:50 PM
Let the spinning begin. 

The Comey FBI’s 17 worst failures, inaccuracies and omissions flagged in the Russia FISA report
DECEMBER 9, 2019

Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz identified 17 serious omissions, inaccuracies and failures involving the FBI’s conduct in the Russia collusion investigation and its pursuit of a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant targeting the Trump campaign.

The significant failings are laid bare in a report made public Monday that showed the FBI withheld from the FISA court misgivings about its star informant Christopher Steele, as well as evidence of innocence against targets like former Trump campaign advisers Carter Page and George Papadopoulos.

Here is the list of the 17 flagged failures in the FBI’s handling of FISA warrants in 2016 and 2017, as described in Horowitz’s own words.

1. Omitted information the FBI had obtained from another U.S. government agency detailing its prior relationship with Page, including that Page had been approved as an “operational contact” for the other agency from 2008 to 2013, and that Page had provided information to the other agency concerning his prior contacts with certain Russian intelligence officers, one of which overlapped with facts asserted in the FISA application;

2. Included a source characterization statement asserting that Steele’s prior reporting had been “corroborated and used in criminal proceedings,” which overstated the significance of Steele’s past reporting and was not approved by Steele’s handling agent, as required by the Woods Procedures;

3. Omitted information relevant to the reliability of Person 1, a key Steele sub-source (who was attributed with providing the information in Report 95 and some of the information in Reports 80 and 102 relied upon in the application), namely that (1) Steele himself told members of the Crossfire Hurricane team that Person 1 was a “boaster” and an “egoist” and “may engage in some embellishment” and (2) INFORMATION REDACTED

4. Asserted that the FBI had assessed that Steele did not directly provide to the press information in the September 23 Yahoo News article based on the premise that Steele had told the FBI that he only shared his election-related research with the FBI and Fusion GPS, his client; this premise was incorrect and contradicted by documentation in the Woods File- Steele had told the FBI that he also gave his information to the State Department;

5. Omitted Papadopoulos’s consensually monitored statements to an FBI CHS in September 2016 denying that anyone associated with the Trump campaign was collaborating with Russia or with outside groups like Wikileaks in the release of emails;

6. Omitted Page’s consensually monitored statements to an FBI CHS in August 2016 that Page had “literally never met” or “said one word to” Paul Manafort and that Manafort had not responded to any of Page’s emails; if true, those statements were in tension with claims in Report 95 that Page was participating in a conspiracy with Russia by acting as an intermediary for Manafort on behalf of the Trump campaign; and

7. Included Page’s consensually monitored statements to an FBI CHS in October 2016 that the FBI believed supported its theory that Page was an agent of Russia but omitted other statements Page made that were inconsistent with its theory, including denying having met with Sechin and Divyekin, or even knowing who Divyekin was; if true, those statements contradicted the claims in Report 94 that Page had met secretly with Sechin and Divyekin about future cooperation with Russia and shared derogatory information about candidate Clinton.

8. Omitted the fact that Steele’s Primary Sub-source, who the FBI found credible, had made statements in January 2017 raising significant questions about the reliability of allegations included in the FISA applications, including, for example, that he/she had no discussion with Person 1 concerning WikiLeaks and there was “nothing bad” about the communications between the Kremlin and the Trump team, and that he/she did not report to Steele in July 2016 that Page had met with Sechin;

9. Omitted Page’s prior relationship with another U.S. government agency, despite being reminded by the other agency in June 2017, prior to the filing of the final renewal application, about Page’s past status with that other agency; instead of including this information in the final renewal application, the OGC Attorney altered an email from the other agency so that the email stated that Page was “not a source” for the other agency, which the FBI affiant relied upon in signing the final renewal application;

10. Omitted information from persons who previously had professional contacts with Steele or had direct knowledge of his work-related performance, including statements that Steele had no history of reporting in bad faith but “[d]emonstrates lack of self-awareness, poor judgment,” “pursued people with political risk but no intelligence value,” “didn’t always exercise great judgment,” and it was “not clear what he would have done to validate” his reporting;

11. Omitted information obtained from Ohr about Steele and his election reporting, including that (1) Steele’s reporting was going to Clinton’s presidential campaign and others, (2) Simpson was paying Steele to discuss his reporting with the media, and (3) Steele was “desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being the U.S. President”;

12. Failed to update the description of Steele after information became known to the Crossfire Hurricane team, from Ohr and others, that provided greater clarity on the political origins and connections of Steele’s reporting, including that Simpson was hired by someone associated with the Democratic Party and/or the DNC;

13. Failed to correct the assertion in the first FISA application that the FBI did not believe that Steele directly provided information to the reporter who wrote the September 23 Yahoo News article, even though there was no information in the Woods File to support this claim and even after certain Crossfire Hurricane officials learned in 2017, before the third renewal application, of an admission that Steele made in a court filing about his interactions with the news media in the late summer and early fall of 2016;

14. Omitted the finding from a FBI source validation report that Steele was suitable for continued operation but that his past contributions to the FBI’s criminal program had been ” minimally corroborated,” and instead continued to assert in the source characterization statement that Steele’s prior reporting had been “corroborated and used in criminal proceedings”;

15. Omitted Papadopoulos’s statements to an FBI CHS in late October 2016 denying that the Trump campaign was involved in the circumstances of the DNC email hack;

16. Omitted Joseph Mifsud’s denials to the FBI that he supplied Papadopoulos with the information Papadopoulos shared with the FFG (suggesting that the campaign received an offer or suggestion of assistance from Russia); and

17. Omitted information indicating that Page played no role in the Republican platform change on Russia’s annexation of Ukraine as alleged in the Report 95, which was inconsistent with a factual assertion relied upon to support probable cause in all four FISA applications.

https://johnsolomonreports.com/the-comey-fbis-17-worst-failures-inaccuracies-and-omissions-flagged-in-the-russia-fisa-report/
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Dos Equis on December 09, 2019, 01:43:30 PM
John Durham’s Investigators ‘Do Not Agree’ with DOJ IG’s Findings on Origin of Russia Probe
By TOBIAS HOONHOUT
December 9, 2019
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/john-durhams-investigators-do-not-agree-with-doj-igs-findings-on-origin-of-russia-probe/
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Dos Equis on December 09, 2019, 01:44:17 PM
Department of Justice
Office of Public Affairs
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Monday, December 9, 2019

Statement by Attorney General William P. Barr on the Inspector General's Report of the Review of Four FISA Applications and Other Aspects of the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane Investigation
Attorney General William P. Barr issued the following statement:

"Nothing is more important than the credibility and integrity of the FBI and the Department of Justice.  That is why we must hold our investigators and prosecutors to the highest ethical and professional standards.  The Inspector General’s investigation has provided critical transparency and accountability, and his work is a credit to the Department of Justice.  I would like to thank the Inspector General and his team.

The Inspector General’s report now makes clear that the FBI launched an intrusive investigation of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions that, in my view, were insufficient to justify the steps taken.  It is also clear that, from its inception, the evidence produced by the investigation was consistently exculpatory.  Nevertheless, the investigation and surveillance was pushed forward for the duration of the campaign and deep into President Trump’s administration.  In the rush to obtain and maintain FISA surveillance of Trump campaign associates, FBI officials misled the FISA court, omitted critical exculpatory facts from their filings, and suppressed or ignored information negating the reliability of their principal source.  The Inspector General found the explanations given for these actions unsatisfactory.  While most of the misconduct identified by the Inspector General was committed in 2016 and 2017 by a small group of now-former FBI officials, the malfeasance and misfeasance detailed in the Inspector General’s report reflects a clear abuse of the FISA process.

FISA is an essential tool for the protection of the safety of the American people.  The Department of Justice and the FBI are committed to taking whatever steps are necessary to rectify the abuses that occurred and to ensure the integrity of the FISA process going forward.

No one is more dismayed about the handling of these FISA applications than Director Wray.  I have full confidence in Director Wray and his team at the FBI, as well as the thousands of dedicated line agents who work tirelessly to protect our country.  I thank the Director for the comprehensive set of proposed reforms he is announcing today, and I look forward to working with him to implement these and any other appropriate measures.

With respect to DOJ personnel discussed in the report, the Department will follow all appropriate processes and procedures, including as to any potential disciplinary action."

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/statement-attorney-general-william-p-barr-inspector-generals-report-review-four-fisa
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Dos Equis on December 09, 2019, 01:45:21 PM
DOJ Watchdog: FBI Justified In Opening Trump Probe, But Problems With FISA Apps
The IG report examines the bureau’s decisions during “Crossfire Hurricane,” the investigation into the Trump campaign’s connections to Russia election meddling.
By Ryan J. Reilly
POLITICS 12/09/2019
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/doj-ig-report-trump-campaign-crossfire-hurricane_n_5dee589be4b00563b854e971
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Dos Equis on December 09, 2019, 01:46:08 PM
Watchdog report finds FBI not motivated by political bias in Trump probe
BY MORGAN CHALFANT AND BRETT SAMUELS - 12/09/19
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/473688-watchdog-report-finds-fbi-not-motivated-by-political-bias-in-trump
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Skeletor on December 09, 2019, 02:04:44 PM
Let the spinning begin.  

The Comey FBI’s 17 worst failures, inaccuracies and omissions flagged in the Russia FISA report
DECEMBER 9, 2019

Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz identified 17 serious omissions, inaccuracies and failures involving the FBI’s conduct in the Russia collusion investigation and its pursuit of a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant targeting the Trump campaign.

The significant failings are laid bare in a report made public Monday that showed the FBI withheld from the FISA court misgivings about its star informant Christopher Steele, as well as evidence of innocence against targets like former Trump campaign advisers Carter Page and George Papadopoulos.

Here is the list of the 17 flagged failures in the FBI’s handling of FISA warrants in 2016 and 2017, as described in Horowitz’s own words.

1. Omitted information the FBI had obtained from another U.S. government agency detailing its prior relationship with Page, including that Page had been approved as an “operational contact” for the other agency from 2008 to 2013, and that Page had provided information to the other agency concerning his prior contacts with certain Russian intelligence officers, one of which overlapped with facts asserted in the FISA application;

2. Included a source characterization statement asserting that Steele’s prior reporting had been “corroborated and used in criminal proceedings,” which overstated the significance of Steele’s past reporting and was not approved by Steele’s handling agent, as required by the Woods Procedures;

3. Omitted information relevant to the reliability of Person 1, a key Steele sub-source (who was attributed with providing the information in Report 95 and some of the information in Reports 80 and 102 relied upon in the application), namely that (1) Steele himself told members of the Crossfire Hurricane team that Person 1 was a “boaster” and an “egoist” and “may engage in some embellishment” and (2) INFORMATION REDACTED

4. Asserted that the FBI had assessed that Steele did not directly provide to the press information in the September 23 Yahoo News article based on the premise that Steele had told the FBI that he only shared his election-related research with the FBI and Fusion GPS, his client; this premise was incorrect and contradicted by documentation in the Woods File- Steele had told the FBI that he also gave his information to the State Department;

5. Omitted Papadopoulos’s consensually monitored statements to an FBI CHS in September 2016 denying that anyone associated with the Trump campaign was collaborating with Russia or with outside groups like Wikileaks in the release of emails;

6. Omitted Page’s consensually monitored statements to an FBI CHS in August 2016 that Page had “literally never met” or “said one word to” Paul Manafort and that Manafort had not responded to any of Page’s emails; if true, those statements were in tension with claims in Report 95 that Page was participating in a conspiracy with Russia by acting as an intermediary for Manafort on behalf of the Trump campaign; and

7. Included Page’s consensually monitored statements to an FBI CHS in October 2016 that the FBI believed supported its theory that Page was an agent of Russia but omitted other statements Page made that were inconsistent with its theory, including denying having met with Sechin and Divyekin, or even knowing who Divyekin was; if true, those statements contradicted the claims in Report 94 that Page had met secretly with Sechin and Divyekin about future cooperation with Russia and shared derogatory information about candidate Clinton.

8. Omitted the fact that Steele’s Primary Sub-source, who the FBI found credible, had made statements in January 2017 raising significant questions about the reliability of allegations included in the FISA applications , including, for example, that he/she had no discussion with Person 1 concerning WikiLeaks and there was “nothing bad” about the communications between the Kremlin and the Trump team, and that he/she did not report to Steele in July 2016 that Page had met with Sechin;

9. Omitted Page’s prior relationship with another U.S. government agency, despite being reminded by the other agency in June 2017, prior to the filing of the final renewal application, about Page’s past status with that other agency; instead of including this information in the final renewal application, the OGC Attorney altered an email from the other agency so that the email stated that Page was “not a source” for the other agency, which the FBI affiant relied upon in signing the final renewal application;

10. Omitted information from persons who previously had professional contacts with Steele or had direct knowledge of his work-related performance, including statements that Steele had no history of reporting in bad faith but “[d]emonstrates lack of self-awareness, poor judgment,” “pursued people with political risk but no intelligence value,” “didn’t always exercise great judgment,” and it was “not clear what he would have done to validate” his reporting;

11. Omitted information obtained from Ohr about Steele and his election reporting, including that (1) Steele’s reporting was going to Clinton’s presidential campaign and others, (2) Simpson was paying Steele to discuss his reporting with the media, and (3) Steele was “desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being the U.S. President”;

12. Failed to update the description of Steele after information became known to the Crossfire Hurricane team, from Ohr and others, that provided greater clarity on the political origins and connections of Steele’s reporting, including that Simpson was hired by someone associated with the Democratic Party and/or the DNC;

13. Failed to correct the assertion in the first FISA application that the FBI did not believe that Steele directly provided information to the reporter who wrote the September 23 Yahoo News article, even though there was no information in the Woods File to support this claim and even after certain Crossfire Hurricane officials learned in 2017, before the third renewal application, of an admission that Steele made in a court filing about his interactions with the news media in the late summer and early fall of 2016;

14. Omitted the finding from a FBI source validation report that Steele was suitable for continued operation but that his past contributions to the FBI’s criminal program had been ” minimally corroborated,” and instead continued to assert in the source characterization statement that Steele’s prior reporting had been “corroborated and used in criminal proceedings”;

15. Omitted Papadopoulos’s statements to an FBI CHS in late October 2016 denying that the Trump campaign was involved in the circumstances of the DNC email hack;

16. Omitted Joseph Mifsud’s denials to the FBI that he supplied Papadopoulos with the information Papadopoulos shared with the FFG (suggesting that the campaign received an offer or suggestion of assistance from Russia); and

17. Omitted information indicating that Page played no role in the Republican platform change on Russia’s annexation of Ukraine as alleged in the Report 95, which was inconsistent with a factual assertion relied upon to support probable cause in all four FISA applications.

https://johnsolomonreports.com/the-comey-fbis-17-worst-failures-inaccuracies-and-omissions-flagged-in-the-russia-fisa-report/

A whole lot of omissions... It seems like the FBI were "extremely careless"...
"Ordinary" people go to prison for "omissions" like these, especially when the government or law enforcement can't pin them with a crime that fits their agenda so they just charge them with the usual "lying to the investigators" or perjury.
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Straw Man on December 09, 2019, 04:32:59 PM
The report can be accessed here: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6571581/IG-Report-Exec-Summary.pdf



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We also concluded that, under the AGGuidelines and the DIOG, the FBI had an authorized
purpose when it opened Crossfire Hurricane to obtain information about, or protect against, a national security threat or federal crime, even though the investigation also had the potent ial to impact constitutionally protected activity
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We concluded that Priestap's exercise of discretion in opening the investigation was in compliance with Department and FBI policies, and we did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced his decision. We similarly found that, while the formal documentation opening each of the four individual investigations was approved by Strzok (as required by the DIOG), the decisions to do so were reached by a consensus among the Crossfire "Hurricane agents and analysts who identified individuals associated with t he Trump campaign who had recently traveled to Russia or had other alleged ties to Russia. Priestap was involved in these decisions. We did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced the decisions to open the four individual investigations
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Dos Equis on December 09, 2019, 05:28:38 PM
Just how bad was the FBI’s Russia FISA? 51 violations and 9 false statements
DECEMBER 9, 2019

To understand just how shoddy the FBI’s work was in securing a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant targeting the Trump campaign, you only need to read an obscure attachment to Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s report.

Appendix 1 identifies the total violations by the FBI of the so-called Woods Procedures, the process by which the bureau verifies information and assures the FISA court its evidence is true.

The Appendix identifies a total of 51 Woods procedure violations from the FISA application the FBI submitted to the court authorizing surveillance of former Trump campaign aide Carter Page starting in October 2016.

A whopping nine of those violations fell into the category called: “Supporting document shows that the factual assertion is
inaccurate.”

For those who don’t speak IG parlance, it means the FBI made nine false assertions to the FISA court. In short, what the bureau said was contradicted by the evidence in its official file.

To put that in perspective, former Trump aides Mike Flynn and George Papadopoulos were convicted of making single false statements to the bureau. One went to jail already, and the other awaits sentencing.

The FBI made nine false statements to the court.

And the appendix shows the FBI made another nine factual assertions that did not match the supporting evidence in the file. In another words, the bureau was misleading on nine other occasions.

The vast majority of remaining Woods violations — 33 in total — involved failing to provide any evidence in the Woods procedure backing up assertion in the FISA warrant application.

That’s serious too since the sole purpose of the Wood procedures is to ensure all evidence cited in a FISA application is documented as accurate and reliable so it can be trusted by the courts.

https://johnsolomonreports.com/just-how-bad-was-the-fbis-russia-fisa-51-violations-and-9-false-statements/
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: jude2 on December 09, 2019, 06:07:39 PM
John Durham’s Investigators ‘Do Not Agree’ with DOJ IG’s Findings on Origin of Russia Probe
By TOBIAS HOONHOUT
December 9, 2019
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/john-durhams-investigators-do-not-agree-with-doj-igs-findings-on-origin-of-russia-probe/

Can't wait for all of this to come out.
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Dos Equis on December 09, 2019, 06:10:07 PM
Can't wait for all of this to come out.

That's when it will really hit the fan.
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Dos Equis on December 09, 2019, 06:10:54 PM
DOJ IG Report Slams Bruce Ohr’s Failure To Report Repeated Interactions With Steele
DECEMBER 9, 2019 By Tristan Justice

The long-anticipated report from Department of Justice Inspector General Michael Horowitz released Monday criticized department attorney Bruce Ohr at length for failing to report repeated contacts with former British spy Christopher Steele.

Steele, the author of the debunked Steele dossier that was used to justify a federal investigation into the 2016 Trump campaign, met with Ohr 12 times after Steele was terminated as a confidential human source by the bureau. As the report notes, Ohr failed to report the repeated interactions with Steele to his DOJ supervisors, depriving the department of the opportunity to request that Ohr halt communication with the fired informant. Instead, Ohr continued to feed Steele’s information to the department and FBI, circumventing Steele’s termination as a reliable source.

According to the report, Ohr acknowledged to the DOJ that it was because of the possibility he would be told to stop these meetings with Steele that he chose not to report them to his direct supervisors.

While Horowitz stopped short of recommending Ohr for a criminal referral, the DOJ inspector general spent more than 36 pages of the report singling out the bureaucrat for circumventing his supervisors and referred Ohr to the Office of Professional Responsibility. Horowitz also referred Ohr’s actions to his supervisors in the criminal justice division, leaving the door open to future criminal prosecution.

“We found that, while no Department or ODAG policy specifically prohibited Ohr’s activities, Ohr was clearly cognizant of his responsibility to inform his supervisors of his interactions with Steele, the FBI, and State Department,” the report states. “We are referring our finding to the Department’s Office of Professional Responsibility for any action it deems appropriate. We are also providing our finding to Ohr’s current supervisors in CRM for any action they deem appropriate.”

https://thefederalist.com/2019/12/09/doj-ig-report-slams-bruce-ohrs-failure-to-report-repeated-interactions-with-steele/
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Straw Man on December 09, 2019, 06:21:33 PM
That's when it will really hit the fan.
Can't wait for all of this to come out.

LOL - sure it will

you two should definitely get your hopes up

And if it doesn't support Trump/Barr's insane conspiracy theories that's ok because they will respond exactly the same way they did to the IG report and lie about it
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Dos Equis on December 10, 2019, 09:39:32 AM
Horowitz report is damning for the FBI and unsettling for the rest of us
BY JONATHAN TURLEY, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 12/09/19
 
The analysis of the report by Justice Department inspector general Michael Horowitz greatly depends, as is often the case, on which cable news channel you watch. Indeed, many people might be excused for concluding that Horowitz spent 476 pages to primarily conclude one thing, which is that the Justice Department acted within its guidelines in starting its investigation into the 2016 campaign of President Trump.

Horowitz did say that the original decision to investigate was within the discretionary standard of the Justice Department. That standard for the predication of an investigation is low, simply requiring “articulable facts.” He said that, since this is a low discretionary standard, he cannot say it was inappropriate to start. United States Attorney John Durham, who is heading the parallel investigation at the Justice Department, took the unusual step to issue a statement that he did not believe the evidence had supported that conclusion at the beginning of the investigation.

Attorney General William Barr also issued a statement disagreeing with the threshold statement. In fact, the Justice Department has a standard that requires the least intrusive means of investigating such entities as presidential campaigns, particularly when it comes to campaigns of the opposing party. That threshold finding is then followed by the remainder of the report, which is highly damaging and unsettling. Horowitz finds a litany of false and even falsified representations used to continue the secret investigation targeting the Trump campaign and its associates.

This is akin to reviewing the Titanic and saying that the captain was not unreasonable in starting the voyage. The question is what occurred when the icebergs began appearing. Horowitz says that investigative icebergs appeared rather early on, and the Justice Department not only failed to report that to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court but removed evidence that its investigation was on a collision course with the facts.

The investigation was largely based on a May 2016 conversation between Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos and Australian diplomat Alexander Downer in London. Papadopolous reportedly said he heard that Russia had thousands of emails from Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton. That was viewed as revealing possible prior knowledge of the WikiLeaks release two months later, which was then used to open four investigations targeting the campaign and Trump associates. Notably, Democrats and the media lambasted Trump for saying the Justice Department had been “spying” on his campaign, and many said it was just an investigation into figures like Carter Page. Horowitz describes poorly founded investigations that included undercover FBI agents and a variety of different sources. What they really discovered is the main point of the Horowitz report.

From the outset, the Justice Department failed to interview several key individuals or vet critical information and sources in the Steele dossier. Justice Department officials insisted to Horowitz that they choose not to interview campaign officials because they were unsure if the campaign was compromised and did not want to tip off the Russians. However, the inspector general report says the Russians were directly told about the allegations repeatedly by then CIA Director John Brennan and, ultimately, President Obama. So the Russians were informed, but no one contacted the Trump campaign so as not to inform the Russians? Meanwhile, the allegations quickly fell apart. Horowitz details how all of the evidence proved exculpatory of any collusion or conspiracy with the Russians.

Even worse, another agency that appears to be the CIA told the FBI that Page was actually working for the agency in Russia as an “operational contact” gathering intelligence. The FBI was told this repeatedly, yet it never reported it to the FISA court approving the secret investigation of Page. His claim to have worked with the federal government was widely dismissed. Worse yet, Horowitz found that investigators and the Justice Department concluded there was no probable cause on Page to support its FISA investigation. That is when there was an intervention from the top of the FBI, ordering investigators to look at the Steele dossier funded by the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign instead.

Who told investigators to turn to the dossier? Former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe. He was fired over his conduct in the investigation after earlier internal investigations. Horowitz contradicts the media claim that the dossier was just a small part of the case presented to the FISA court. He finds that it was essential to seeking FISA warrants. Horowitz also finds no sharing of information with FISA judges that undermined the credibility of the dossier or Christopher Steele himself. Surprisingly little effort was made to fully investigate the dossier when McCabe directed investigators to it, yet investigators soon learned that critical facts reported to the FISA court were false. FISA judges were told that a Yahoo News article was an independent corroboration of the Steele dossier, but Horowitz confirms that Steele was the source of that article. Therefore, Steele was used to corroborate Steele on allegations that were later deemed unfounded.

The report also said that Steele was viewed as reliable and was used as a source in prior cases, yet Horowitz found no support for that and, in fact, found that the past representations of Steele were flagged as unreliable. His veracity was not the only questionable thing unveiled in the report. Steele relied on a character who, Horowitz determined, had a dubious reputation and may have been under investigation as a possible double agent for Russia. Other instances were also clearly misrepresented.

The source relied on by Steele was presented as conveying damaging information on Trump. When this source was interviewed, he said he had no direct information and was conveying bar talk. He denied telling other details to Steele. This was all known to the Justice Department, but it still asked for warrant renewals from the FISA court without correcting the record or revealing exculpatory information discovered by investigators. That included the failure to tell the court that Page was working with the CIA. Finally, Horowitz found that an FBI lawyer doctored a critical email to hide the fact that Page was really working for us and not the Russians.

Despite this shockingly damning report, much of the media is reporting only that Horowitz did not find it unreasonable to start the investigation, and ignoring a litany of false representations and falsifications of evidence to keep the secret investigation going. Nothing was found to support any of those allegations, and special counsel Robert Mueller also confirmed there was no support for collusion and conspiracy allegations repeated continuously for two years by many experts and members of Congress.

In other words, when the Titanic set sail, there was no reason for it not to. Then there was that fateful iceberg. Like the crew of the Titanic, the FBI knew investigative icebergs floated around its Russia investigation, but not only did it not reduce speed, it actively suppressed the countervailing reports. Despite the many conflicts to its FISA application and renewals, the FBI leadership, including McCabe, plowed ahead into the darkness.

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/473709-horowitz-report-is-damning-for-the-fbi-and-unsettling-for-the-rest-of-us
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Dos Equis on December 10, 2019, 10:29:14 AM
Former DOJ official: Durham's reaction to IG report means 'he's got the goods on somebody'
By Joshua Nelson | Fox News

Former Justice Department official Ian Prior said on Tuesday that U.S. Attorney John Durham’s investigation would potentially unveil evidence of surveillance abuse against President Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign team.

“I think you’re going to see some indictments," Prior said on “Fox & Friends,” referring to Durham as “non-partisan" and a “serious prosecutor."

In the hours after Durham announced he did not "agree" with key findings by Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz, speculation swirled over what he has uncovered in his own ongoing review into potential surveillance abuses against President Trump's team.

Trump touts importance of Durham Russia investigationVideo
Durham's inquiry has had a broader scope than Horowitz's, including a focus on foreign actors as well as the CIA, while Horowitz's concentrated on the Department of Justice and FBI.

Prior said that, unlike Horowitz, Durham is not limited in scope to the existing DOJ or FBI officials. He said the striking statement by Durham Monday means "he's got the goods on somebody."

“Durham can subpoena former employees, former DOJ members; Durham can go and look at what the CIA was doing, what the [National Security Council] was doing, what foreign countries were doing. Durham's scope is so much bigger,” Prior said.

In his report released Monday, Horowitz said his investigators found no intentional misconduct or political bias surrounding efforts to launch the 2016 probe and to seek a highly controversial Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant to monitor former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page in the early months of the investigation. Still, it found that there were "significant concerns with how certain aspects of the investigation were conducted and supervised."

As Horowitz conducted his review of DOJ actions during the Russia probe, Durham, the U.S. attorney for Connecticut, conducted a wider inquiry into alleged misconduct and improper government surveillance on the Trump campaign during the 2016 presidential election.

Fox News reported in October that Durham's ongoing probe has transitioned into a full-fledged criminal investigation.

Monday’s FISA report had long been expected. Horowitz in September submitted a draft to Attorney General William Barr and the FBI so they could identify any classified information. But it had not been publicly released until now.

Prior called the FBI's overall handling of the Trump-Russia probe a "big problem for America."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/former-doj-official-ian-prior-durham-ig-report
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Dos Equis on December 10, 2019, 01:18:14 PM
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: SOMEPARTS on December 10, 2019, 01:31:48 PM
Is it true that Comey did not renew his security clearance, thus avoiding having to answer questions about classified info?
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Dos Equis on December 10, 2019, 02:37:11 PM
Is it true that Comey did not renew his security clearance, thus avoiding having to answer questions about classified info?

Correct.  Also former FBI general counsel James Baker.
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Straw Man on December 11, 2019, 09:48:56 AM
Can't wait for all of this to come out.

Per  IG Testimony today

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Horowitz also said that his office had asked Durham and Barr to share evidence that could help the FISA investigation. “None of the discussions changed our findings here” that there wasn’t political bias that motivated the counterintelligence investigation, Horowitz said.
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Grape Ape on December 11, 2019, 10:25:59 AM
Also Inspector General Horowitz:

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Activities We Found Here Don’t Vindicate Anybody Who Touched This FISA
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Dos Equis on December 11, 2019, 10:59:00 AM
Also Inspector General Horowitz:


Correct.  Also, regarding political bias, all he said was he didn't find a smoking gun document or have anyone admit they were motivated by political bias.  But who would ever fall on their sword like that?  

Instead, when you have a ton of deliberate omissions and misconduct, and all of those acts are in one direction, it's pretty obvious that bias was involved.  

Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Dos Equis on December 11, 2019, 10:59:43 AM
Good for him.

Carter Page says he will file a lawsuit against FBI
By Staff Writer - December 10, 2019

“There is a team, I was always working on this on my own for the last few years,” Carter Page told “Hannity” on Monday. “I kept having DOJ run rings around me. Right now, as we speak, we have our team of attorneys going through that document in great detail.”

Page said he plans to share his and his counsels’ findings with Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., who has been following the overall investigation closely.

Page, who also disclosed to host Sean Hannity that he was a CIA asset who put his life at risk for the U.S., said he was the subject of lies, smears and threats over the past few years.

https://saraacarter.com/carter-page-says-he-will-file-lawsuit-against-fbi/
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Grape Ape on December 11, 2019, 11:02:54 AM
Correct.  Also, regarding political bias, all he said was he didn't find a smoking gun document or have anyone admit they were motivated by political bias.  But who would ever fall on their sword like that?  

Instead, when you have a ton of deliberate omissions and misconduct, and all of those acts are in one direction, it's pretty obvious that bias was involved.  



People should just watch the actual questioning......I know the dipshits here will discredit this exchange because it's Graham asking the questions, but this is a very reasonable back and forth, and provides some clarity.

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It's pretty amazing that so much of what anti Trump folks are doing is blatantly wrong, but the left will turn their cheek to all of it.
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Straw Man on December 11, 2019, 11:17:35 AM
Good for him.

Carter Page says he will file a lawsuit against FBI
By Staff Writer - December 10, 2019

“There is a team, I was always working on this on my own for the last few years,” Carter Page told “Hannity” on Monday. “I kept having DOJ run rings around me. Right now, as we speak, we have our team of attorneys going through that document in great detail.”

Page said he plans to share his and his counsels’ findings with Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., who has been following the overall investigation closely.

Page, who also disclosed to host Sean Hannity that he was a CIA asset who put his life at risk for the U.S., said he was the subject of lies, smears and threats over the past few years.

https://saraacarter.com/carter-page-says-he-will-file-lawsuit-against-fbi/

LOL good luck with that

Exhibit A for defense will be the IG report
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Grape Ape on December 11, 2019, 11:45:53 AM
Ted Cruz: “A lawyer at the FBI creates fraudulent evidence, alters an email that is in turn used as the basis for a sworn statement for the court that the court relies on. Am I stating that accurately?"

Horowitz: "That is correct. That's what occurred"
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Skeletor on December 11, 2019, 12:43:05 PM
Correct.  Also, regarding political bias, all he said was he didn't find a smoking gun document or have anyone admit they were motivated by political bias.  But who would ever fall on their sword like that?  

Instead, when you have a ton of deliberate omissions and misconduct, and all of those acts are in one direction, it's pretty obvious that bias was involved.  



This also stems from the fact that unfortunately the "wise" lawmakers set an unfair and extremely high standard to prove misconduct or conspiracy of law enforcement or prosecutors. Whereas ordinary people go to prison for "omitting" information or even if they have done nothing, as we see in this case, if several law enforcement members conspire to lie "omit" information or even twist or misrepresent facts in order obtain a warrant in furtherance of their scheme, it seems to fall under what Comey cunningly described as "extremely careless" - or to put it another way - "not subject to the same laws as everyone else". Still, Durham's investigation might yield some results, if it goes deep enough and doesn't treat anyone preferentially.
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Straw Man on December 11, 2019, 12:49:35 PM
This also stems from the fact that unfortunately the "wise" lawmakers set an unfair and extremely high standard to prove misconduct or conspiracy of law enforcement or prosecutors. Whereas ordinary people go to prison for "omitting" information or even if they have done nothing, as we see in this case, if several law enforcement members conspire to lie "omit" information or even twist or misrepresent facts in order obtain a warrant in furtherance of their scheme, it seems to fall under what Comey cunningly described as "extremely careless" - or to put it another way - "not subject to the same laws as everyone else". Still, Durham's investigation might yield some results, if it goes deep enough and doesn't treat anyone preferentially.

just like Trumptard should be sharing a prison cell with Michael Cohen (and perhaps one day when he is no longer POTUS he will)

Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: SOMEPARTS on December 11, 2019, 12:53:03 PM
The IG has been telling the truth when pushed and that equals a very bad day for Comey, Brennan, Clapper and everyone involved in this.

The truth happens to conflict with the one sentence summary of the report that media ran with.
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Skeletor on December 11, 2019, 12:53:31 PM
just like Trumptard should be sharing a prison cell with Michael Cohen (and perhaps one day when he is no longer POTUS he will)



If he did commit crimes he should be investigated (which he already has been with the Mueller investigation and now the impeachment theater) and treated like everyone else. Naturally this should apply to everyone without any exceptions, special rights, tailor made laws or immunities.
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Skeletor on December 11, 2019, 12:56:23 PM
The IG has been telling the truth when pushed and that equals a very bad day for Comey, Brennan, Clapper and everyone involved in this.

The truth happens to conflict with the one sentence summary of the report that media ran with.

Clapper especially should have been in prison for the countless times he lied under oath, as well as spying on Americans.

Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Grape Ape on December 11, 2019, 12:57:08 PM
If he did commit crimes he should be investigated (which he already has been with the Mueller investigation and now the impeachment theater) and treated like everyone else. Naturally this should apply to everyone without any exceptions, special rights, tailor made laws or immunities.

This is basically it.

He was investigated.  Mueller and now this bullshit.

Poor behavior, sure.  But zero direct evidence of anything that warrants removal from office.

Especially when you add in the context of the origins of FISA and the impeachment inquiry.
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Straw Man on December 11, 2019, 01:01:44 PM
If he did commit crimes he should be investigated (which he already has been with the Mueller investigation and now the impeachment theater) and treated like everyone else. Naturally this should apply to everyone without any exceptions, special rights, tailor made laws or immunities.

correct

Mueller found something like ten incidents of obstruction by Trump

He also found that Trump invited/welcomed and accepted assistance by the Russians

We also know he told the Russians that he wasn’t concerned about Moscow’s interference in U.S. elections and even worse, In May 2017, Trump disclosed classified information in an Oval Office meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. That information, given to the US by Israel, concerned information about an ISIS plot to bomb airplanes using laptops. At the time, there was genuine concern that Israel’s covert source might’ve been burned by Trump’s revelation.

This concerned US Intelligence officials so much that they had to extract a long time covert asset inside Russia for fear the Dotard in Chief would reveal his identity
https://www.vox.com/2019/9/9/20856915/cnn-trump-russia-spy-putin-cia

Trump is a traitor and Republicans are his enablers

Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: SOMEPARTS on December 11, 2019, 01:22:47 PM
VOX....haha. Worrisome levels of TDS. You can't obstruct when there is no crime.
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Grape Ape on December 11, 2019, 02:29:10 PM
VOX....haha. Worrisome levels of TDS. You can't obstruct when there is no crime.

Democrats: "wait for Mueller"

Mueller: "no collusion"

Democrats subpeona Mueller and look like morons.


Democrats: "Impeach"

Hold hearing that shows no direct evidence of anything.

Democrats: "IMPEACH"
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Dos Equis on December 11, 2019, 04:22:25 PM
People should just watch the actual questioning......I know the dipshits here will discredit this exchange because it's Graham asking the questions, but this is a very reasonable back and forth, and provides some clarity.

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It's pretty amazing that so much of what anti Trump folks are doing is blatantly wrong, but the left will turn their cheek to all of it.

Good clip.  Took me a while to get through it with all the interruptions but he does a great job of getting to heart of a lot of the misconduct that went on here.
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Dos Equis on December 11, 2019, 04:23:04 PM
Ted Cruz: “A lawyer at the FBI creates fraudulent evidence, alters an email that is in turn used as the basis for a sworn statement for the court that the court relies on. Am I stating that accurately?"

Horowitz: "That is correct. That's what occurred"

How is that person not already in prison?? 
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Board_SHERIF on December 11, 2019, 04:37:18 PM
Ted Cruz: “A lawyer at the FBI creates fraudulent evidence, alters an email that is in turn used as the basis for a sworn statement for the court that the court relies on. Am I stating that accurately?"

Horowitz: "That is correct. That's what occurred"

also add - Carter Page was working with the CIA, the Gay Muslim's Lawyer changed it to read "Carter Page was NOT working with the CIA"

Gay Muslim Layer now to be charged.
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: SOMEPARTS on December 11, 2019, 07:41:20 PM
also add - Carter Page was working with the CIA, the Gay Muslim's Lawyer changed it to read "Carter Page was NOT working with the CIA"

Gay Muslim Layer now to be charged.



This is a pivotal point in the whole thing. This guy should go to jail. Period, end of story.
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Dos Equis on December 11, 2019, 09:47:07 PM
 >:(

Sen. Ted Cruz: “A lawyer at the FBI creates fraudulent evidence, alters an email that is in turn used as the basis for a sworn statement to the court that the court relies on. Am I stating that accurately?"

Inspector General Horowitz: “That is correct. That is what occurred.”
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Thin Lizzy on December 12, 2019, 02:47:43 AM
In a nutshell, they started the investigation on very shaky ground, continually were presented with evidence showing that there was no case, but continued on anyway.

It’s good example of the cover up being worse than the crime. They never thought Trump would win and when he did they had to start covering their asses.
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Dos Equis on December 12, 2019, 07:52:10 AM
In a nutshell, they started the investigation on very shaky ground, continually were presented with evidence showing that there was no case, but continued on anyway.

It’s good example of the cover up being worse than the crime. They never thought Trump would win and when he did they had to start covering their asses.

I agree.  I also think they were convinced that if they kept digging they were bound to find something.  But they got his communications with his lawyers from the campaign and from Cohen.  Spied on Page and two hops removed from Page (i.e., spied on people Page communicated with and people those folks communicated with).  Used spies in his campaign and tried to entrap them.  And they came up empty. 
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: SOMEPARTS on December 12, 2019, 08:14:10 AM
The evidence is clear that Trump tried to use withholding military aid and WH visit to get the Ukraine pres to announce a Biden investigation.


Cool story bro. Multiple people on the call and nobody said under oath that is what happened. Wonder why?
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Thin Lizzy on December 12, 2019, 09:15:05 AM
The evidence is clear that Trump tried to use withholding military aid and WH visit to get the Ukraine pres to announce a Biden investigation. THEN, he obfuscated and blocked any attempt to investigate him on it.

In fact, Trump's lawyer claimed ( in writing ) that you couldn't investigate a sitting President. WTF?

Trump isn't a king and the founders were very clear about having provisions to prevent a king from being President.

This is the liberal MSM narrative but has no relation to what actually happened and has nothing to the intelligence organizations actions which is what the post addressed.

The whole Ukraine premise is ridiculous. Everyone already knew Bidens kid got the no show job. What was an investigation by Ukrainians gonna do to Bidens prospects. Were they going to extradite him?
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Thin Lizzy on December 12, 2019, 09:25:03 AM
I guess the 12 fact witnesses testifying under oath on TV in front of congress don't count?

There were zero fact witnesses. They all went on heresay except for Sundland who said Trump wanted nothing.


This is why the impeachment process has been a bust for the Dems. Your shit is weak.
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: SOMEPARTS on December 12, 2019, 10:01:32 AM
I guess the 12 fact witnesses testifying under oath on TV in front of congress don't count?


Wowzers!
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Grape Ape on December 12, 2019, 10:32:11 AM
There were zero fact witnesses. They all went on heresay except for Sundland who said Trump wanted nothing.


This is why the impeachment process has been a bust for the Dems. Your shit is weak.

How is this not crystal clear?  There are so many videos of the witnesses all admitting they had no direct evidence.

Gaetz is destroying them today.
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Grape Ape on December 12, 2019, 12:11:19 PM
Even amb Sundland said it was a quid pro quo.
The testimony from Dr Hill, Lt Col Vidman , amb Yavonovich and amb Taylor was a lot more damaging for Trump.
Quid pro quo is not one of the charges.

Quid pro quo is how all business is done.

But they changed the charges to be vague - abuse of power / obstruction for the very reason their inquiry didn't prove shit.

But, Ukraine said they were not pressured, and now they are saying Ukraine didn't even know.

It still boils down to whether Trump was investigating corruption, or a political rival to influence the election.

And that wasn't even close to being proven.



Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: jude2 on December 12, 2019, 07:47:27 PM
I guess the 12 fact witnesses testifying under oath on TV in front of congress don't count?
This is what is wrong with our education system.  You must teach in public schools.
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: SOMEPARTS on December 12, 2019, 10:11:15 PM
Even amb Sundland said it was a quid pro quo.
The testimony from Dr Hill, Lt Col Vidman , amb Yavonovich and amb Taylor was a lot more damaging for Trump.


You trollin'.


Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: SOMEPARTS on December 15, 2019, 08:21:46 PM
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"Adam Schiff says FBI committed 'serious abuses' of FISA, but won't admit his own wrongdoing"


Look at this turd squirm and deflect.
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: chaos on December 15, 2019, 08:43:38 PM
This is what is wrong with our education system.  You must teach in public schools.
Another reason for home schooling.
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Dos Equis on December 16, 2019, 09:52:33 AM
Question:  why didn't Mueller and his team uncover any of this FISA abuse? 
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Primemuscle on December 16, 2019, 11:45:46 AM
Another reason for home schooling.

Have you set this up for your kids yet? If so, how is it going?
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: mazrim on December 16, 2019, 03:34:42 PM
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"Adam Schiff says FBI committed 'serious abuses' of FISA, but won't admit his own wrongdoing"


Look at this turd squirm and deflect.

This is the one guy above anyone else that epitomizes the ability to blatantly lie with no regard and no care for any sort of repercussion. It is literally mind-boggling how easily he does it and none of these shows call him out on it in when he appears on them. 
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Thin Lizzy on December 16, 2019, 03:38:06 PM
This is the one guy above anyone else that epitomizes the ability to blatantly lie with no regard and no care for any sort of repercussion. It is literally mind-boggling how easily he does it and none of these shows call him out on it in when he appears on them.  

I recall during the hearing when he said he didn’t know or have contact with the whistleblower. At that point, his credibility was obviously shot and only the TDS afflicted could take the hearing seriously.

It was pretty funny when Jim Jordan called him out on it and pointed out that no one believed him.
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: jude2 on December 16, 2019, 05:19:16 PM
Question:  why didn't Mueller and his team uncover any of this FISA abuse? 
Because they didn't want to.
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Dos Equis on December 16, 2019, 06:47:12 PM
Because they didn't want to.

Yeah.  They didn't even mention the dossier in their report. 
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: jude2 on December 16, 2019, 07:02:57 PM
Yeah.  They didn't even mention the dossier in their report. 
That just shows how rigged it is against Trump.
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Dos Equis on December 17, 2019, 02:11:12 PM
That just shows how rigged it is against Trump.

Unable to accept the fact that he won and will likely win again. 
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Dos Equis on December 17, 2019, 02:14:56 PM
Uh oh . . . .

FISA court slams FBI over surveillance applications, in rare public order
By Andrew O'Reilly, Bill Mears | Fox News

In a rare public order Tuesday, the chief judge of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court [FISC] strongly criticized the FBI over its surveillance-application process, giving the bureau until Jan. 10 to come up with solutions, in the wake of findings from Justice Department Inspector General Michael E. Horowitz.

The order, from the court's presiding judge Rosemary M. Collyer, came just a week after the release of Horowitz's withering report about the wiretapping of former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, as part of former Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

"The FBI's handling of the Carter Page applications, as portrayed in the [Office of Inspector General] report, was antithetical to the heightened duty of candor described above," Collyer wrote in her four-page order. "The frequency with which representations made by FBI personnel turned out to be unsupported or contradicted by information in their possession, and with which they withheld information detrimental to their case, calls into question whether information contained in other FBI applications is reliable."

Horowitz said he did not find significant evidence that FBI agents were involved in a political conspiracy to undermine Trump's candidacy in 2016. However, the report did find numerous errors and inaccuracies used by FBI agents to obtain permission to monitor Page's phone calls and emails.

While Collyer's order did not specify exactly what reforms the FBI needed to implement to its policies for obtaining permission to wiretap people under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA, the order did say that the FISA court will weigh in on whether the reforms are deemed sufficient.

"The [FISA court] expects the government to provide complete and accurate information in every filing with the court," Collyer wrote. "Without it, the [FISA court] cannot properly ensure that the government conducts electronic surveillance for foreign intelligence purposes only when there is a sufficient factual basis."

Comey admits 'significant errors' in FBI's FISA processVideo
The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court has dealt with some of the most sensitive matters of national security: terror threats and espionage. Its work, for the most part, cannot be examined by the American public, by order of Congress and the president. Its work has been mostly secret, its structure largely one-sided.

"The most unusual thing is that there is a body of law that the court has created, but as a practitioner that is part of that law, we have between zero and some very limited knowledge of what that law is," Michael Sussmann, a former Justice Department prosecutor and current private attorney in the consumer and computer-privacy field, told Fox News. "But, it's the fact that there is a secret law and a secret body of law that makes it the most vexing."

Tuesday's order from the court came amid a Republican-led push to reform FISA.

Reps. Chris Stewart, R-Utah, and Brad Wenstrup, R-Ohio, last week introduced the FISA Improvements Act in a bid to "stop these abuses" and effectively amend FISA by adding requirements on the FBI, the DOJ and on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, which would also give Congress "critical new insight to perform oversight of the FISA powers."

"The deceptive actions of a few high-ranking officials within the FBI and the Department of Justice have eroded public trust in our federal institutions," Stewart stated. "They flattened internal guardrails, deceived the FISA court, and irreparably damaged the reputation of an innocent American" - a reference to Page.

The GOP bill would mandate that amicus curiae – an impartial court advisor – be assigned to all cases where a U.S. person is involved. It also would ensure that the DOJ disclose "any usage of unverified information in the application," and include a provision in which any FISA extensions are heard or denied by the same judge which "ensures that the government is not able to obfuscate details of an expiring order's newly gathered evidence to support renewal."

The House voted earlier this year against a bipartisan amendment to FISA, proposed by Michigan Rep. Justin Amash -- then a Republican -- and Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-Calif., which would have halted the 2020 funding for FISA's Section 702, which was authorized in 2008 as a means to monitor communications by foreign nationals outside the U.S. Amash later left the Republican Party to become an independent.

Horowitz's report was hardly the first time the court has come under scrutiny. In 2013, self-confessed National Security Agency [NSA] leaker Edward Snowden revealed a secret FISC order approving government collection of mass amounts of so-called metadata from telecom giant Verizon and leading Internet companies, including Microsoft, Apple, Google, Yahoo and Facebook.

The revelations triggered debate about national security and privacy interests, and about the secretive legal process that set government surveillance in motion. Approvals would come from a rotating panel of federal judges at the FISC, deciding whether to grant certain types of government requests -- wiretapping, data analysis and other monitoring for "foreign intelligence purposes" of suspected terrorists and spies operating in the United States.

The Snowden revelations confirmed the scope of the NSA's efforts had greatly expanded -- along with the court's original mission. No longer were FISC judges approving individual surveillance requests. Now, in essence, they were reinterpreting the Constitution, expanding the limits of privacy and due process, critics said.

"The laws have been secretly interpreted in a way that now allows the government to monitor the communications of all of us-- a dragnet of surveillance," said David Sobel, a senior counsel at the Electronic Freedom Foundation. "Based on the statistics we have, the court appears to be a rubber stamp but part of the problem is because this process is secret, and because the public can't see what the court is doing or read the opinions, it is hard to assess the extent the court is asking tough questions and holding the govt.'s feet to the fire."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fisa-court-slams-fbi-over-surveillance-applications-in-rare-public-order
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Primemuscle on December 17, 2019, 03:06:59 PM
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Political activist and actress, Jean Seberg was investigated/harrassed by the FBI under the direction of J. Edgar Hoover in what was coined the COINTELPRO project. She may have committed suicide at age 40 as a result of the smear campaign the FBI launched against her.

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Mohamed Osman Mohamud, 19, a naturalized United States citizen was found guilty and sentenced to 30 years in prison after a failed attempt to blow-up Pioneer Square during the annual Christmas tree lighting.

The bomb, which was in a van parked off Pioneer Courthouse Square, was a fake — planted by F.B.I. agents as part of the elaborate sting — but “the threat was very real,” Arthur Balizan, the F.B.I.’s special agent in charge in Oregon, said in a statement released by the Department of Justice. An estimated 10,000 people were at the ceremony on Friday night, the Portland police said.

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Two days after King delivered his famous “I Have a Dream” speech at the 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom, William Sullivan, the FBI’s director of intelligence, famously responded by writing, “We must mark him now, if we have not done so before, as the most dangerous Negro of the future in this Nation from the standpoint of communism, the Negro and national security.”

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The FBI proposed that "Lennon should be arrested, if at all possible, on possession of narcotics charges" - I'm quoting now from one of the documents "which would make him more immediately deportable." And these instructions to local police officials include a kind of a wanted poster. A picture of Lennon, you know, height, weight, eye color and so on.

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In 1991, the FBI conducted a background check on Jobs when he was considered for an appointment on president George H.W. Bush’s Export Council. According to the file, “several individuals questions Jobs’ honesty, stating that [he] will twist the truth and distort reality in order to achieve his goals.” In the report, the Apple CEO, who died in 2011, admitted to experimenting with LSD in his teens, calling his use “a positive life changing experience.”

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Denver—or should we say Deutschendorf, the singer’s real last name—wracked up a 33-page FBI file from 1977 to 1990. Though no major crimes were named, the Bureau did note Denver’s appearance at a 1971 anti-war rally and his regular drug use. The files also contain information about 17 death threats received that the singer, famous for hits such as “Take Me Home Country Road,” and “Sunshine on My Shoulder,” received from a German-speaking woman in 1979.

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Much of Monroe’s file concerns not the blonde bombshell herself, but Arthur Miller, her husband from 1956 to 1961. The FBI suspected Miller of having communist leanings and kept close tabs on his involvement with Marxist and Communist groups. Monroe’s file also describes a few theories about her 1962 death, including an excerpt from Norman Mailer’s biography of Monroe that implicates none other than the FBI and CIA.

Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Grape Ape on December 17, 2019, 03:33:56 PM
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I don't concern myself with shit that happened in 2008, which is ancient history in the political world.
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: mazrim on December 17, 2019, 03:39:12 PM
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Lol
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Primemuscle on December 17, 2019, 03:50:40 PM
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I did say that. And this post might make it look like I am concerned about the FBI's past tactics. I am not. What's done, is done. Being interested in something is not the same as being concerned about it. If you think about it, most if not all of the people exampled in that post are no longer alive.

Here's what sparked this research into FBI past practices. I read an article this morning about Kristen Stewart being in a movie where she acts the part of Jean Seberg. Although I vaguely remember Jean Seberg, I had no idea she was targeted by the FBI. In the light of FISA Abuse, I thought it would be interesting to see who else was targeted by the FBI over the years. It occured to me some Getbiggers, might also find this interesting in light of current accusations against the FBI.

Little did I know someone, like you, would miss the point. Maybe I expect more intelligent responses from some other Getbiggers...again, like you. Apparently, in your case, I was mistaken.

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Kristen Stewart Takes On the Racist FBI in 'Seberg'
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Dos Equis on December 17, 2019, 04:23:58 PM
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LOL!   ;D
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Dos Equis on December 19, 2019, 07:12:29 PM
Is U.S. Attorney Durham coming for ex-CIA Chief Brennan?
DECEMBER 19, 2019 BY SHARYL ATTKISSON

There’s a new report from the New York Times that U.S Attorney John Durham is seeking to obtain emails and other communications belonging to ex-CIA Director John Brennan as part of the criminal investigation into the intelligence community’s actions in the Trump-Russia probe.

A caution: The New York Times cites anonymous sources (and has proven incorrect many times before on this topic.)

But many analysts believe it’s entirely possible that Durham’s investigation is leading him to examine the actions of the controversial former intel chief. After leaving the Obama administration, Brennan became a frequent Trump attacker, spreading information and innuendo about the president– some of it proven sorely wrong.

Brennan and former Direction of National Intelligence James Clapper along with ex-FBI Director James Comey all went public with frequent anti-Trump rhetoric after they were removed from their positions. All are all being scrutinized in the wake of an Obama-appointed Inspector General who concluded there was broad and egregious misconduct in the Trump-Russia probe.

The Inspector General previous recommended the Department of Justice consider filing criminal charges against Comey for mishandling classified and government documents in his effort to disparage Trump. But the Justice Department declined to prosecute saying Comey likely did not intend any harm.

Attorney General William Barr has said Durham’s investigation is not expected to be completed before Spring or Summer 2020.

https://sharylattkisson.com/2019/12/is-u-s-attorney-durham-coming-for-ex-cia-chief-brennan/
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Dos Equis on December 19, 2019, 07:32:15 PM
Is U.S. Attorney Durham coming for ex-CIA Chief Brennan?
DECEMBER 19, 2019 BY SHARYL ATTKISSON

There’s a new report from the New York Times that U.S Attorney John Durham is seeking to obtain emails and other communications belonging to ex-CIA Director John Brennan as part of the criminal investigation into the intelligence community’s actions in the Trump-Russia probe.

A caution: The New York Times cites anonymous sources (and has proven incorrect many times before on this topic.)

But many analysts believe it’s entirely possible that Durham’s investigation is leading him to examine the actions of the controversial former intel chief. After leaving the Obama administration, Brennan became a frequent Trump attacker, spreading information and innuendo about the president– some of it proven sorely wrong.

Brennan and former Direction of National Intelligence James Clapper along with ex-FBI Director James Comey all went public with frequent anti-Trump rhetoric after they were removed from their positions. All are all being scrutinized in the wake of an Obama-appointed Inspector General who concluded there was broad and egregious misconduct in the Trump-Russia probe.

The Inspector General previous recommended the Department of Justice consider filing criminal charges against Comey for mishandling classified and government documents in his effort to disparage Trump. But the Justice Department declined to prosecute saying Comey likely did not intend any harm.

Attorney General William Barr has said Durham’s investigation is not expected to be completed before Spring or Summer 2020.

https://sharylattkisson.com/2019/12/is-u-s-attorney-durham-coming-for-ex-cia-chief-brennan/

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Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: loco on December 20, 2019, 01:23:05 AM
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LOL...Primeahole is a liar and a hypocrite, typical lefty libtard.
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Thin Lizzy on December 20, 2019, 04:39:12 AM
Look for these guys, Comey, Clapper and Brennan to start throwing each other under the bus.
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: loco on December 20, 2019, 05:29:39 AM
When a democrat says a fart stinks,  you take a deep whiff and say it smells like roses. ;D

No.  That's what democraps say when Trump says a fart stinks.
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Primemuscle on December 20, 2019, 01:37:56 PM
LOL...Primeahole is a liar and a hypocrite, typical lefty libtard.

-A hypocrite, possibly because this is subjective. -A liar is not even a possibility.
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: Dos Equis on December 26, 2019, 09:16:29 PM
Cannot remember if I posted this back in October, but with the FISA abuse being uncovered, it is evidence that Obama knew about the spying on the Trump campaign. 

Fusion GPS’s Glenn Simpson Reveals He Was Hired to Investigate Trump in “Fall of 2015” – Claims Memos From Steele Dossier Made Their Way ‘Directly to Obama’
Cristina Laila by Cristina Laila October 14, 2019

Fusion GPS co-founder Glenn Simpson revealed in a new book titled, “Crime in Progress” which is set to be released next month that he was first hired to investigate Donald Trump “in the fall of 2015.”

Simpson also claims that memos from the Christopher Steele dossier paid for by Hillary Clinton and her camp made its way directly “to President Obama.”

Hillary Clinton and the DNC during the 2016 presidential election hid their payments to oppos research firm Fusion GPS and Steele through their law firm Perkins Coie.

Perkins Coie paid Fusion GPS who then paid former British spy Christopher Steele to compile a Russia dossier to smear Donald Trump.

To this day, the dossier still has not been verified yet the FBI used it to obtain four FISA warrants on Trump campaign advisor Carter Page.

Of course Obama read the memos that made up the phony Russia dossier.

The coup plotters, including Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Susan Rice, James Comey, John Brennan and James Clapper all met in the Oval Office in January of 2017 and discussed the dossier.

Then-FBI Director James Comey briefed Trump on the salacious claims in the dossier in January of 2017 shortly before Inauguration Day.

It is now known that Comey was already spying on Donald Trump and used his January 2017 meeting at Trump Tower to surveil Trump.

Glenn Simpson worked with the Democrats to frame Trump as a Russian agent and mysteriously met with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya before and after her meeting with Don Jr. at Trump Tower in June of 2016.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/10/fusion-gpss-glenn-simpson-reveals-he-was-hired-to-investigate-trump-in-fall-of-2015-claims-memos-from-steele-dossier-made-their-way-directly-to-obama/
Title: Re: FISA Abuse
Post by: SOMEPARTS on December 27, 2019, 12:26:17 AM
Wonder if Glenn Simpson has worked out a plea deal yet. He's going to need some security.