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A recent study showed a decline in suicides in places where the minimum wage increased and unemployment is low. Duh.
* Fewer suicides occur when minimum wages are higher during periods of elevated unemployment, according to a new study.
* Every $1 increase in the minimum wage is associated with a 6% reduction in suicide for high school grads.
* Boosting the minimum wage by $1 could have saved 27,550 lives from 1990 to 2015, the study says.
There are literally more than a dozen links to this article. Here are a few:
Reported in the Oregonian 1/11/2020
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minimum-wage-suicide-study-higher-minimum-wage-linked-to-lower-suicide-rate/
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/01/08/794568118/raising-the-minimum-wage-by-1-may-prevent-thousands-of-suicides-study-shows
https://www.cnn.com › 2020/01/09 › health › minimum-wage-suicide-trnd
https://theweek.com/articles/888495/research-suggests-theres-easy-way-reduce-suicide-rates-increase-minimum-wage
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If I had to guess, it probably just postpones suicide.
Minimum wage doesn't work, and virtually no academic economists think it works. It is a topic not remotely debated in economics circles.
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A recent study showed a decline in suicides in places where the minimum wage increased and unemployment is low. Duh.
* Fewer suicides occur when minimum wages are higher during periods of elevated unemployment, according to a new study.
* Every $1 increase in the minimum wage is associated with a 6% reduction in suicide for high school grads.
* Boosting the minimum wage by $1 could have saved 27,550 lives from 1990 to 2015, the study says.
that type of behaviour pollutes the gene pool with weak genes...
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If I had to guess, it probably just postpones suicide.
Minimum wage doesn't work, and virtually no academic economists think it works. It is a topic not remotely debated in economics circles.
I think the point is that poverty and unemployment contribute to suicide. Making a dollar more an hour is a good thing until everything you buy cost more too. At that point people are right back to being economically depressed which is where they started from.
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that type of behaviour pollutes the gene pool with weak genes...
Are you saying folks making a buck more an hours have more children?
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A recent study showed a decline in suicides in places where the minimum wage increased and unemployment is low. Duh.
* Fewer suicides occur when minimum wages are higher during periods of elevated unemployment, according to a new study.
* Every $1 increase in the minimum wage is associated with a 6% reduction in suicide for high school grads.
* Boosting the minimum wage by $1 could have saved 27,550 lives from 1990 to 2015, the study says.
I am 100% in favor of your suicide.
Soggy old queer.
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Are you saying folks making a buck more an hours have more children?
Im not sure you still have all your faculties upstairs, go and read my post again
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Im not sure you still have all your faculties upstairs, go and read my post again
I guess if any of those 27,000 people reproduced, you could say this. But, only if you believe just people with weak genes make minimum wage or are sometimes suicidal.
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I am 100% in favor of your suicide.
Soggy old queer.
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It's over for many men since the sexual revolution.
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It's over for many men since the sexual revolution.
That’s correct. All men should read Sexual Utopia in Power by F. Roger Devlin.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kYdXcswRa00
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Oversimplification of a very complex topic just because you think minimum wage should be higher.
Correlation is not causation. HTH
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That’s correct. All men should read Sexual Utopia in Power by F. Roger Devlin.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kYdXcswRa00
Nice recommendation. Checked out the reviews, book ordered
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It's over for many men since the sexual revolution.
any reason it peaked mid 90's?
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any reason it peaked mid 90's?
Interesting question.
’94 - ‘95 saw the highest number of murders in America, nearly 25,000 per year.
Population is 70-80M more today with about 17,000 murders annually.
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A recent study showed a decline in suicides in places where the minimum wage increased and unemployment is low. Duh.
* Fewer suicides occur when minimum wages are higher during periods of elevated unemployment, according to a new study.
* Every $1 increase in the minimum wage is associated with a 6% reduction in suicide for high school grads.
* Boosting the minimum wage by $1 could have saved 27,550 lives from 1990 to 2015, the study says.
Talk about a study that biased and framed design to come to a predetermined conclusion. When minimum wage goes up the amount of jobs available go down. Minimum wage was never meant to be a career. It's a job for high school/college kids and those supplementing the main source of family income. It's was never meant to be a career choice.
Take a little mom and pop dry cleaner with three employees. When $15 an hours hits they have to pay over 100k in salary and benefits. Now they have to pay the rent and pay them self. It's a recipe for going out of business. What happens is they will hire two four hour part time employees to avoid having to pay benefits. So one will come in 8A to 12P. The next will come in 12P to 4P. The other option is to pay people cash so no taxes will come out and they can pay a lower rate. We see major companies trying to avoid the raised minimum wages by putting self service check out machines. We are seeing them in McDonalds and places like Home depot.
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Oversimplification of a very complex topic just because you think minimum wage should be higher.
Correlation is not causation. HTH
News flash. I didn't do the study. What My thoughts on minimum wage is not relevant. If you think it is an over simplification, take it up with the source.
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The problem is not that the government doesn't force private businesses to pay people more. The problem is that people today are less able to cope with stress. Generations of relative prosperity have made our culture soft and weak and we have presumably so fine-tuned our society that now we can worry about Confederate Statues, being too fat, redefining marriage and sexual gender, not getting your PopEye Chicken sandwich,
forbidden words that hurt feelings, safe spaces...
I'm sure you can find a correlation between high housing prices, bad weather, the Holiday season, Secularism, price of oil (which affects the entire economy at large), Tyrant bosses, the S&P and DJA..., and suicides.
Every Christmas season I read about how suicide rates increase during the Holidays. Is that the fault of the Holidays? If we eliminated Christmas and Thanksgiving and suicide rates went down does that mean we should eliminate those Holidays?
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The problem is not that the government doesn't force private businesses to pay people more. The problem is that people today are less able to cope with stress. Generations of relative prosperity have made our culture soft and weak and we have presumably so fine-tuned our society that now we can worry about Confederate Statues, being too fat, redefining marriage and sexual gender, not getting your PopEye Chicken sandwich,
forbidden words that hurt feelings, safe spaces...
I'm sure you can find a correlation between high housing prices, bad weather, the Holiday season, Secularism, price of oil (which affects the entire economy at large), Tyrant bosses, the S&P and DJA..., and suicides.
Every Christmas season I read about how suicide rates increase during the Holidays. Is that the fault of the Holidays? If we eliminated Christmas and Thanksgiving and suicide rates went down does that mean we should eliminate those Holidays?
Great observations.
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I am 100% in favor of your suicide.
Soggy old queer.
:D :D
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The problem is not that the government doesn't force private businesses to pay people more. The problem is that people today are less able to cope with stress. Generations of relative prosperity have made our culture soft and weak and we have presumably so fine-tuned our society that now we can worry about Confederate Statues, being too fat, redefining marriage and sexual gender, not getting your PopEye Chicken sandwich,
forbidden words that hurt feelings, safe spaces...
I'm sure you can find a correlation between high housing prices, bad weather, the Holiday season, Secularism, price of oil (which affects the entire economy at large), Tyrant bosses, the S&P and DJA..., and suicides.
Every Christmas season I read about how suicide rates increase during the Holidays. Is that the fault of the Holidays? If we eliminated Christmas and Thanksgiving and suicide rates went down does that mean we should eliminate those Holidays?
Great post.
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News flash. I didn't do the study. What My thoughts on minimum wage is not relevant. If you think it is an over simplification, take it up with the source.
You sure didn’t, but your biased comments didn’t go unnoticed. You wouldn’t have been a good scientist. Sugar consumption and obesity rose together in the past and with your style of thought, you would’ve linked the two together, started a thread and said “duh”. Lo and behold, sugar consumption has dropped off, yet obesity continues to rise. Once again, correlation is not causation. Duh. There are so many other factors to consider like the introduction to more effective anti-depression drugs through the length of the study, and why do very high income individual have a higher suicide rate as well? I thought income was the main source of suicide according to implications of you and this study ???
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Talk about a study that biased and framed design to come to a predetermined conclusion. When minimum wage goes up the amount of jobs available go down. Minimum wage was never meant to be a career. It's a job for high school/college kids and those supplementing the main source of family income. It's was never meant to be a career choice.
Take a little mom and pop dry cleaner with three employees. When $15 an hours hits they have to pay over 100k in salary and benefits. Now they have to pay the rent and pay them self. It's a recipe for going out of business. What happens is they will hire two four hour part time employees to avoid having to pay benefits. So one will come in 8A to 12P. The next will come in 12P to 4P. The other option is to pay people cash so no taxes will come out and they can pay a lower rate. We see major companies trying to avoid the raised minimum wages by putting self service check out machines. We are seeing them in McDonalds and places like Home depot.
You are making much more out of this study than it is reporting. It isn't taking a stand for or against increasing minimum wage. It's saying that when people have more cash, even a little as $1 an hour and when they have jobs, they appear to be less likely to commit suicide. Well, duh. It only stands to reason that being better off makes people happier with life.
The study has nothing to do with whether mom and pop businesses or anyone else can afford to pay minimum wage or. It's irrelevant that some businesses cut hours to avoid paying benefits or pay people under the table. Companies like Home Depot and McDonald's install self service check out systems to increase their profits. Many customers who hate waiting in lines love these, but that has nothing to do with minimum wage either.
My guess is what you've mentioned here are things that you and/or people you know are affected by in some way that's is a negative. The fact is because of technology, and the ability to automate certain tasks, there are likely to be less jobs at all levels and fewer of the occupations in which people currently work. Nothing new here, employment and occupations are ever changing and have been since the beginning time.
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Clearly the suicide rate has increased since the civil rights act was passed in 1964. We need to roll back these horrible laws that have caused so many innocent lives to be lost.
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I think the point is that poverty and unemployment contribute to suicide. Making a dollar more an hour is a good thing until everything you buy cost more too. At that point people are right back to being economically depressed which is where they started from.
Fair enough, although suicide is most understood through a multifactorial approach, as is most understanding of human behavior.
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That’s correct. All men should read Sexual Utopia in Power by F. Roger Devlin.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kYdXcswRa00
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It's over for many men since the sexual revolution.
I read in the Oregonian, just yesterday the for the first time more women are working than men. This dynamic is ever changing. During WWII women entered the workforce in a big way in manufacturing because there was a shortage of men available for work due to the war and because, the need to manufacture the instruments/weapons of war was greater.
Despite how the movies and television portrayed the perfect Ozzie and Harriet family in the 50's and early 60's where fathers went off to work and mothers maintained the home-front. This was less the case than it had been prior to WWII. Many women found they liked working, they liked that it gave them independence and purpose outside of being homemakers.
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Gotta love the whole arm chair researchers, "correlation is not causality." They probably learned that in Statistics 101. You often hear that from people who have a rudimentary understanding of research.
Anyway, posting a research study without including the actual article is disingenuous, to say the least (no offense, PM). I am sure in the conclusion section, the researchers address the limitations of their study and I can almost guarantee that the researchers never stated they found a causal link between suicide and wage. All peer-reviewed articles are required to include the limitations in their study, which this one most likely did. But, of course, that will not be gleaned if one ONLY posts the results and not the WHOLE article. That is often the problem when sites post research articles--they ONLY cite the results and not the WHOLE damn study. If you read the whole study, it will put the results in context.
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any reason it peaked mid 90's?
SSRIs came to widespread use around that time. So it went down after IMO....otherwise would climb still.
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I just downloaded the full article and skimmed the discussing: the authors never claimed a causal connection. In fact, they pondered, if there was a causal connection between the two variables, how that would look regarding other questions that they posed in their article, etc.
Good thing getbiggers pointed out the whole "Correlation is not Causation," otherwise these researchers would not have known this. :D :D
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News flash. I didn't do the study. What My thoughts on minimum wage is not relevant. If you think it is an over simplification, take it up with the source.
Actually, Rambone is correct to have questioned you, despite you not conducting the research.
You were in the wrong not to post the full article, as this put a different light on the researchers who conducted the study. If you were going to cite results of a study, I believe it is also your responsibility to post the whole article, in order to put the results in context. Just posting the results makes the researchers appear inept regarding a complex topics, which was addressed in the actual article. This is a huge problem with people only posting the results of a study on a website.
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Gotta love the whole arm chair researchers, "correlation is not causality." They probably learned that in Statistics 101. You often hear that from people who have a rudimentary understanding of research.
Anyway, posting a research study without including the actual article is disingenuous, to say the least (no offense, PM). I am sure in the conclusion section, the researchers address the limitations of their study and I can almost guarantee that the researchers never stated they found a causal link between suicide and wage. All peer-reviewed articles are required to include the limitations in their study, which this one most likely did. But, of course, that will not be gleaned if one ONLY posts the results and not the WHOLE article. That is often the problem when sites post research articles--they ONLY cite the results and not the WHOLE damn study. If you read the whole study, it will put the results in context.
Thank you for pointing out that I neglected to post a link to the article (I thought I had). Somewhere in the dozen or so media publications there probably is a link to the actually study which hopefully provides a more complete picture.
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Thank you for pointing out that I neglected to post a link to the article (I thought I had). Somewhere in the dozen or so media publications there probably is a link to the actually study which hopefully provides a more complete picture.
It does address a more complete picture, although it obviously can't answer every single question.
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People kill themselves and always will,I don’t think we need a study to determine why?Everyone goes thru shit and some can’t handle the shit they go thru.Hell I’ve thought of offing myself many times and no study is needed for me to know why.
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Oh brother. Correlating the min wage to suicide rates. You know the rise in organic food consumption is correlated to the rise in autism also. Who even makes minimum wage in this country anyways? My unskilled farmworkers make $10-$12 an hour. How big of a moron do you have to be, to be making minimum wage.
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Oh brother. Correlating the min wage to suicide rates. You know the rise in organic food consumption is correlated to the rise in autism also. Who even makes minimum wage in this country anyways? My unskilled farmworkers make $10-$12 an hour. How big of a moron do you have to be, to be making minimum wage.
$10 is actually below minimum wage in 18 states now. Hopefully, none of them are the state you're in or you are in trouble.
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$10 is actually below minimum wage in 18 states now. Hopefully, none of them are the state you're in or you are in trouble.
The government has no business forcing businesses to pay a minimum wage. If a company doesn't want to pay you what you think you deserve then don't work there.
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Gotta love the whole arm chair researchers, "correlation is not causality." They probably learned that in Statistics 101. You often hear that from people who have a rudimentary understanding of research.
Anyway, posting a research study without including the actual article is disingenuous, to say the least (no offense, PM). I am sure in the conclusion section, the researchers address the limitations of their study and I can almost guarantee that the researchers never stated they found a causal link between suicide and wage. All peer-reviewed articles are required to include the limitations in their study, which this one most likely did. But, of course, that will not be gleaned if one ONLY posts the results and not the WHOLE article. That is often the problem when sites post research articles--they ONLY cite the results and not the WHOLE damn study. If you read the whole study, it will put the results in context.
Tell us where you work at again for context.
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Tell us where you work at again for context.
Ha, ha, I was waiting for someone to ask that question.
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$10 is actually below minimum wage in 18 states now. Hopefully, none of them are the state you're in or you are in trouble.
It's actually 15 states and the min wage in my state is $8.56.
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Tell us where you work at again for context.
Auto Zone.
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The government has no business forcing businesses to pay a minimum wage. If a company doesn't want to pay you what you think you deserve then don't work there.
Minimum wage worked tremendously for younger blacks....oh wait.
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It's all thanks to Trump, the economy is better
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A recent study showed a decline in suicides in places where the minimum wage increased and unemployment is low. Duh.
* Fewer suicides occur when minimum wages are higher during periods of elevated unemployment, according to a new study.
* Every $1 increase in the minimum wage is associated with a 6% reduction in suicide for high school grads.
* Boosting the minimum wage by $1 could have saved 27,550 lives from 1990 to 2015, the study says.
There are literally more than a dozen links to this article. Here are a few:
Reported in the Oregonian 1/11/2020
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minimum-wage-suicide-study-higher-minimum-wage-linked-to-lower-suicide-rate/
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/01/08/794568118/raising-the-minimum-wage-by-1-may-prevent-thousands-of-suicides-study-shows
https://www.cnn.com › 2020/01/09 › health › minimum-wage-suicide-trnd
https://theweek.com/articles/888495/research-suggests-theres-easy-way-reduce-suicide-rates-increase-minimum-wage
Fact - People are going to die by one thing or another no matter who rich / Poor / young / old
All these daft studies showing so many extra people potentially wouldn’t of died - FFS it is part
Of the Cycle of Life - We aren’t going to live forever & the world is far to over populated as it is
Let alone stoping anyone from ever Dying.
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Minimum wage worked tremendously for younger blacks....oh wait.
I used to read his articles all the time. Smart man.
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Minimum wage worked tremendously for younger blacks....oh wait.
Thomas Sowell is such a great man and my hero and role model. He, along with Walter Williams (Sowell's student), influenced my thinking on not just economics but culture and society more than any other person.
He looks so young in that video.
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The government has no business forcing businesses to pay a minimum wage. If a company doesn't want to pay you what you think you deserve then don't work there.
Exactly.If you don’t make enough money then learn a skill and get a better job.
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Exactly.If you don’t make enough money then learn a skill and get a better job.
You can go very far at Auto Zone if you want to. Opportunities abound for those with some drive and ambition. I see a very bright and happy future for both SF and Rory.
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You can go very far at Auto Zone if you want to. Opportunities abound for those with some drive and ambition. I see a very bright and happy future for both SF and Rory.
Rory works at CVS.
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You can go very far at Auto Zone if you want to. Opportunities abound for those with some drive and ambition. I see a very bright and happy future for both SF and Rory.
I know someone who started working at a company when they were in high school. They stuck with the job and got promoted again and again. The company helped pay for her college education. Decades later she's earning 6 figures and still working for them. This is a rarity, but it does happen.
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I know someone who started working at a company when they were in high school. They stuck with the job and got promoted again and again. The company helped pay for her college education. Decades later she's earning 6 figures and still working for them. This is a rarity, but it does happen.
It is not a rarity.
And you once again are clueless as to the tone and context of my comment. Just like when pictures of SF are posted it is of that fat Asian guy. Just like the reference to Rory.
Always have to comment on every damn thing. Please shut up.
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Rory works at CVS.
With your combine health plans you both will be well taken care of.
BTW, some years back CVS bought out a very popular local drug store chain, Long's Drug. Locals are very possessive and protective of any they consider local, even a drug store chain, and don't like "Haoles" coming in. After a lot back and forth conflict trying to oppose granting permits to CVS a compromise was reached. CVS did buy out Longs and took over all the stores but they had to keep the "Longs" name.
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Nice recommendation. Checked out the reviews, book ordered
Thanks.
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Iran can repeat many times...
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It is not a rarity.
And you once again are clueless as to the tone and context of my comment. Just like when pictures of SF are posted it is of that fat Asian guy. Just like the reference to Rory.
Always have to comment on every damn thing. Please shut up.
It was a fast food pizza chain and she started as a counter person. You think it is common for high school counter workers to end being top paid executives for the same the same corporation?
BTW. I am the OP here. I will comment on this thread as much as I fucking want to. So you can go fuck yourself.
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It was a fast food pizza chain and she started as a counter person. You think it is common for high school counter workers to end being top paid executives for the same the same corporation?
BTW. I am the OP here. I will comment on this thread as much as I fucking want to. So you can go fuck yourself.
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Soggy old queer having a meltdown. Time to change your diaper. Your asshole is bleeding again.
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Soggy old queer having a meltdown. Time to change your diaper. Your asshole is bleeding again.
Your the one melting down. You follow me around like a sick puppy. Get a fucking life!
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Your the one melting down. You follow me around like a sick puppy. Get a fucking life!
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Boo Hoo Hoo, the perverted soggy old queer crying like the phaggot that he is. I thought this was fun? Bad day today? No luck at the park following little boys into the restroom?