Author Topic: Suicide Study (Read 6197 times)

Primemuscle · « **Reply #25 on:** January 12, 2020, 10:19:48 AM »

Quote from: BBSSchlemiel on January 11, 2020, 01:59:39 PM

That’s correct. All men should read Sexual Utopia in Power by F. Roger Devlin.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kYdXcswRa00

Quote from: m8 on January 11, 2020, 01:56:28 PM

It's over for many men since the sexual revolution.

I read in the Oregonian, just yesterday the for the first time more women are working than men. This dynamic is ever changing. During WWII women entered the workforce in a big way in manufacturing because there was a shortage of men available for work due to the war and because, the need to manufacture the instruments/weapons of war was greater.

Despite how the movies and television portrayed the perfect Ozzie and Harriet family in the 50's and early 60's where fathers went off to work and mothers maintained the home-front. This was less the case than it had been prior to WWII. Many women found they liked working, they liked that it gave them independence and purpose outside of being homemakers.

SF1900 · « **Reply #26 on:** January 12, 2020, 10:21:02 AM »

Gotta love the whole arm chair researchers, "correlation is not causality." They probably learned that in Statistics 101. You often hear that from people who have a rudimentary understanding of research.

Anyway, posting a research study without including the actual article is disingenuous, to say the least (no offense, PM). I am sure in the conclusion section, the researchers address the limitations of their study and I can almost guarantee that the researchers never stated they found a causal link between suicide and wage. All peer-reviewed articles are required to include the limitations in their study, which this one most likely did. But, of course, that will not be gleaned if one ONLY posts the results and not the WHOLE article. That is often the problem when sites post research articles--they ONLY cite the results and not the WHOLE damn study. If you read the whole study, it will put the results in context.

Rusty Trombone · « **Reply #27 on:** January 12, 2020, 10:22:48 AM »

Quote from: MAXX on January 11, 2020, 03:36:19 PM

any reason it peaked mid 90's?

SSRIs came to widespread use around that time. So it went down after IMO....otherwise would climb still.

SF1900 · « **Reply #28 on:** January 12, 2020, 10:31:05 AM »

I just downloaded the full article and skimmed the discussing: the authors never claimed a causal connection. In fact, they pondered, if there was a causal connection between the two variables, how that would look regarding other questions that they posed in their article, etc.

Good thing getbiggers pointed out the whole "Correlation is not Causation," otherwise these researchers would not have known this.

SF1900 · « **Reply #29 on:** January 12, 2020, 10:34:08 AM »

Quote from: Primemuscle on January 11, 2020, 07:13:05 PM

News flash. I didn't do the study. What My thoughts on minimum wage is not relevant. If you think it is an over simplification, take it up with the source.

Actually, Rambone is correct to have questioned you, despite you not conducting the research.

You were in the wrong not to post the full article, as this put a different light on the researchers who conducted the study. If you were going to cite results of a study, I believe it is also your responsibility to post the whole article, in order to put the results in context. Just posting the results makes the researchers appear inept regarding a complex topics, which was addressed in the actual article. This is a huge problem with people only posting the results of a study on a website.

Primemuscle · « **Reply #30 on:** January 12, 2020, 10:41:00 AM »

Quote from: SF1900 on January 12, 2020, 10:21:02 AM

Gotta love the whole arm chair researchers, "correlation is not causality." They probably learned that in Statistics 101. You often hear that from people who have a rudimentary understanding of research.

Anyway, posting a research study without including the actual article is disingenuous, to say the least (no offense, PM). I am sure in the conclusion section, the researchers address the limitations of their study and I can almost guarantee that the researchers never stated they found a causal link between suicide and wage. All peer-reviewed articles are required to include the limitations in their study, which this one most likely did. But, of course, that will not be gleaned if one ONLY posts the results and not the WHOLE article. That is often the problem when sites post research articles--they ONLY cite the results and not the WHOLE damn study. If you read the whole study, it will put the results in context.

Thank you for pointing out that I neglected to post a link to the article (I thought I had). Somewhere in the dozen or so media publications there probably is a link to the actually study which hopefully provides a more complete picture.

SF1900 · « **Reply #31 on:** January 12, 2020, 10:43:47 AM »

Quote from: Primemuscle on January 12, 2020, 10:41:00 AM

Thank you for pointing out that I neglected to post a link to the article (I thought I had). Somewhere in the dozen or so media publications there probably is a link to the actually study which hopefully provides a more complete picture.

It does address a more complete picture, although it obviously can't answer every single question.

robcguns · « **Reply #32 on:** January 12, 2020, 10:45:33 AM »

People kill themselves and always will,I don’t think we need a study to determine why?Everyone goes thru shit and some can’t handle the shit they go thru.Hell I’ve thought of offing myself many times and no study is needed for me to know why.

bigkid · « **Reply #33 on:** January 12, 2020, 01:00:20 PM »

Oh brother. Correlating the min wage to suicide rates. You know the rise in organic food consumption is correlated to the rise in autism also. Who even makes minimum wage in this country anyways? My unskilled farmworkers make $10-$12 an hour. How big of a moron do you have to be, to be making minimum wage.

Primemuscle · « **Reply #34 on:** January 12, 2020, 01:05:28 PM »

Quote from: bigkid on January 12, 2020, 01:00:20 PM

Oh brother. Correlating the min wage to suicide rates. You know the rise in organic food consumption is correlated to the rise in autism also. Who even makes minimum wage in this country anyways? My unskilled farmworkers make $10-$12 an hour. How big of a moron do you have to be, to be making minimum wage.

$10 is actually below minimum wage in 18 states now. Hopefully, none of them are the state you're in or you are in trouble.

Humble Narcissist · « **Reply #35 on:** January 12, 2020, 01:11:56 PM »

Quote from: Primemuscle on January 12, 2020, 01:05:28 PM

$10 is actually below minimum wage in 18 states now. Hopefully, none of them are the state you're in or you are in trouble.

The government has no business forcing businesses to pay a minimum wage. If a company doesn't want to pay you what you think you deserve then don't work there.

SOMEPARTS · « **Reply #36 on:** January 12, 2020, 01:25:26 PM »

Quote from: SF1900 on January 12, 2020, 10:21:02 AM

Gotta love the whole arm chair researchers, "correlation is not causality." They probably learned that in Statistics 101. You often hear that from people who have a rudimentary understanding of research.

Anyway, posting a research study without including the actual article is disingenuous, to say the least (no offense, PM). I am sure in the conclusion section, the researchers address the limitations of their study and I can almost guarantee that the researchers never stated they found a causal link between suicide and wage. All peer-reviewed articles are required to include the limitations in their study, which this one most likely did. But, of course, that will not be gleaned if one ONLY posts the results and not the WHOLE article. That is often the problem when sites post research articles--they ONLY cite the results and not the WHOLE damn study. If you read the whole study, it will put the results in context.

Tell us where you work at again for context.

Humble Narcissist · « **Reply #37 on:** January 12, 2020, 01:29:22 PM »

Quote from: SOMEPARTS on January 12, 2020, 01:25:26 PM

Tell us where you work at again for context.

Ha, ha, I was waiting for someone to ask that question.

bigkid · « **Reply #38 on:** January 12, 2020, 01:29:36 PM »

Quote from: Primemuscle on January 12, 2020, 01:05:28 PM

$10 is actually below minimum wage in 18 states now. Hopefully, none of them are the state you're in or you are in trouble.

It's actually 15 states and the min wage in my state is $8.56.

SF1900 · « **Reply #39 on:** January 12, 2020, 01:41:15 PM »

Quote from: SOMEPARTS on January 12, 2020, 01:25:26 PM

Tell us where you work at again for context.

Auto Zone.

Rambone · « **Reply #40 on:** January 12, 2020, 01:56:15 PM »

Quote from: Humble Narcissist on January 12, 2020, 01:11:56 PM

The government has no business forcing businesses to pay a minimum wage. If a company doesn't want to pay you what you think you deserve then don't work there.

Minimum wage worked tremendously for younger blacks....oh wait.

pamith · « **Reply #41 on:** January 12, 2020, 01:57:41 PM »

It's all thanks to Trump, the economy is better

illuminati · « **Reply #42 on:** January 12, 2020, 02:02:33 PM »

Quote from: Primemuscle on January 11, 2020, 12:27:54 PM

A recent study showed a decline in suicides in places where the minimum wage increased and unemployment is low. Duh.

* Fewer suicides occur when minimum wages are higher during periods of elevated unemployment, according to a new study.
* Every $1 increase in the minimum wage is associated with a 6% reduction in suicide for high school grads.
* Boosting the minimum wage by $1 could have saved 27,550 lives from 1990 to 2015, the study says.

There are literally more than a dozen links to this article. Here are a few:

Reported in the Oregonian 1/11/2020

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minimum-wage-suicide-study-higher-minimum-wage-linked-to-lower-suicide-rate/

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/01/08/794568118/raising-the-minimum-wage-by-1-may-prevent-thousands-of-suicides-study-shows

https://www.cnn.com › 2020/01/09 › health › minimum-wage-suicide-trnd

https://theweek.com/articles/888495/research-suggests-theres-easy-way-reduce-suicide-rates-increase-minimum-wage

Fact - People are going to die by one thing or another no matter who rich / Poor / young / old
All these daft studies showing so many extra people potentially wouldn’t of died - FFS it is part
Of the Cycle of Life - We aren’t going to live forever & the world is far to over populated as it is
Let alone stoping anyone from ever Dying.

Humble Narcissist · « **Reply #43 on:** January 12, 2020, 02:22:04 PM »

Quote from: Rambone on January 12, 2020, 01:56:15 PM

Minimum wage worked tremendously for younger blacks....oh wait.

I used to read his articles all the time. Smart man.

pellius · « **Reply #44 on:** January 12, 2020, 04:03:14 PM »

Quote from: Rambone on January 12, 2020, 01:56:15 PM

Minimum wage worked tremendously for younger blacks....oh wait.

Thomas Sowell is such a great man and my hero and role model. He, along with Walter Williams (Sowell's student), influenced my thinking on not just economics but culture and society more than any other person.

He looks so young in that video.

robcguns · « **Reply #45 on:** January 12, 2020, 04:05:25 PM »

Quote from: Humble Narcissist on January 12, 2020, 01:11:56 PM

The government has no business forcing businesses to pay a minimum wage. If a company doesn't want to pay you what you think you deserve then don't work there.

Exactly.If you don’t make enough money then learn a skill and get a better job.

pellius · « **Reply #46 on:** January 12, 2020, 04:15:21 PM »

Quote from: robcguns on January 12, 2020, 04:05:25 PM

Exactly.If you don’t make enough money then learn a skill and get a better job.

You can go very far at Auto Zone if you want to. Opportunities abound for those with some drive and ambition. I see a very bright and happy future for both SF and Rory.

SF1900 · « **Reply #47 on:** January 12, 2020, 04:18:24 PM »

Quote from: pellius on January 12, 2020, 04:15:21 PM

You can go very far at Auto Zone if you want to. Opportunities abound for those with some drive and ambition. I see a very bright and happy future for both SF and Rory.

Rory works at CVS.

Primemuscle · « **Reply #48 on:** January 12, 2020, 07:48:24 PM »

Quote from: pellius on January 12, 2020, 04:15:21 PM

You can go very far at Auto Zone if you want to. Opportunities abound for those with some drive and ambition. I see a very bright and happy future for both SF and Rory.

I know someone who started working at a company when they were in high school. They stuck with the job and got promoted again and again. The company helped pay for her college education. Decades later she's earning 6 figures and still working for them. This is a rarity, but it does happen.

pellius · « **Reply #49 on:** January 12, 2020, 08:23:07 PM »

Quote from: Primemuscle on January 12, 2020, 07:48:24 PM

I know someone who started working at a company when they were in high school. They stuck with the job and got promoted again and again. The company helped pay for her college education. Decades later she's earning 6 figures and still working for them. This is a rarity, but it does happen.

It is not a rarity.

And you once again are clueless as to the tone and context of my comment. Just like when pictures of SF are posted it is of that fat Asian guy. Just like the reference to Rory.

Always have to comment on every damn thing. Please shut up.