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https://sports.yahoo.com/zion-williamson-reportedly-gained-8-pounds-of-muscle-after-just-one-week-of-workouts-in-offseason-175324467.html
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Just one week of workouts and that much muscle!
Just great!
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https://sports.yahoo.com/zion-williamson-reportedly-gained-8-pounds-of-muscle-after-just-one-week-of-workouts-in-offseason-175324467.html
I’ve been waiting for him to play. Went to the season opener pumped to see him play and nothing. I have one more Pelicans game I bought so hopefully I get to see him then.
I don’t want to say it yet, but could he be a bust? We know he won’t have longevity, there’s no way he could play 10 80+Game seasons. Not a chance
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I’ve been waiting for him to play. Went to the season opener pumped to see him play and nothing. I have one more Pelicans game I bought so hopefully I get to see him then.
I don’t want to say it yet, but could he be a bust? We know he won’t have longevity, there’s no way he could play 10 80+Game seasons. Not a chance
"is he sexual..."?
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I’ve been waiting for him to play. Went to the season opener pumped to see him play and nothing. I have one more Pelicans game I bought so hopefully I get to see him then.
I don’t want to say it yet, but could he be a bust? We know he won’t have longevity, there’s no way he could play 10 80+Game seasons. Not a chance
Xfactor - you live down here in da bayou?
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"is he sexual..."?
I guess I couldn’t tell you. Not sure what he prefers either
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Xfactor - you live down here in da bayou?
I live downtown Toronto close to Scotiabank arena and the Raps played Pelicans opening night. The Pelicans/Saints are a client so I’m there several times a year. I’ll be there for the Lakers game beginning of March. Love it down there and they are awesome clients.
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I’ve been waiting for him to play. Went to the season opener pumped to see him play and nothing. I have one more Pelicans game I bought so hopefully I get to see him then.
I don’t want to say it yet, but could he be a bust? We know he won’t have longevity, there’s no way he could play 10 80+Game seasons. Not a chance
Back on the 22nd against the spurs.Only thing stopping him from being top 10 all time is is health imo.Ive never seen someone so good in so many areas apart from Jordan.
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Back on the 22nd against the spurs.Only thing stopping him from being top 10 all time is is health imo.Ive never seen someone so good in so many areas apart from Jordan.
Dude I know you’re a Jordan fan as am I. Please don’t compare Zion to MJ ever again. I’m cheering for the big guy believe me but I’d say he’s more of a Larry Johnson. Even that is a long shot. We need to see him play a true NBA season. Skills and size is one thing but doing that for 80+ games consistently in a season is another. College seasons are a fraction of an NBA season
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Dude I know you’re a Jordan fan as am I. Please don’t compare Zion to MJ ever again. I’m cheering for the big guy believe me but I’d say he’s more of a Larry Johnson. Even that is a long shot. We need to see him play a true NBA season. Skills and size is one thing but doing that for 80+ games consistently in a season is another. College seasons are a fraction of an NBA season
He moves more like wade than he does larry johnson, people are too caught up in his size to see his mindblowing agility and quickness in the half court, he moves like an elite guard with the power and strength of a power forward/center.
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I mean check out his foul line dunk, doing that at 6'6 280 is insane...then look closer, zion is left handed and jumps off his right foot, for his foul line dunk he jumped off his LEFT FOOT and dunked with his right hand.
And not only is he an insane leaper off 1 foot, he's an insane leaper off 2 as well
Ive never seen someone all time elite off 1 and 2 feet since Jordan.Most of not all past players sans jordan were only elite off one.It shows how special he is.Throw in his amazing lateral quickness, high iq, amazing temperament, speed in half and full court, coordination.....only negatives I see are his health and his jumpshot.
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Will We will see this 8 pounds next Wed when he plays?
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Larry Johnson in his prime at unlv, while he moved well for a power forward,zion is lightyears ahead of him as an athlete.Theres nothing guardlike about johnsons movement, athleticism or coordination.
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I mean check out his foul line dunk, doing that at 6'6 280 is insane...then look closer, zion is left handed and jumps off his right foot, for his foul line dunk he jumped off his LEFT FOOT and dunked with his right hand.
And not only is he an insane leaper off 1 foot, he's an insane leaper off 2 as well
Ive never seen someone all time elite off 1 and 2 feet since Jordan.Most of not all past players sans jordan were only elite off one.It shows how special he is.Throw in his amazing lateral quickness, high iq, amazing temperament, speed in half and full court, coordination.....only negatives I see are his health and his jumpshot.
Ok, he can dunk. NBA is full of dunkers who can't shot and 3 pt specialists who can't dunk and shoot free throws. I won't even get into the traveling salesman in Houston. What am i missing? This dude will have the will to win like Jordan, the court skill of Bird or vision of Magic. What am i missing? I just see another dunker? I'm not sure he is better than prime Lebron.
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I’ve been waiting for him to play. Went to the season opener pumped to see him play and nothing. I have one more Pelicans game I bought so hopefully I get to see him then.
I don’t want to say it yet, but could he be a bust? We know he won’t have longevity, there’s no way he could play 10 80+Game seasons. Not a chance
You should come to Dallas and watch Luka play instead. 20 yrs old and putting up insane numbers
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Luka > Zion
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You should come to Dallas and watch Luka play instead. 20 yrs old and putting up insane numbers
Funny I’m also in Dallas a lot as the Cowboys are also a major client. God I love that stadium. Anyway, now we are talking with Doncic, he is the man. He’s truly a specimen. What he’s doing right now is unheard of. Albeit I was a little saddened by his performance last Friday vs LA especially after that last time they played each other. I sat in the club level last year at AAC and that was absolutely awesome. They had all you can eat food!! And it was not just standard ball game food. I had prime rib and salmon etc... love AAC
As of right now I’m going to agree with Bevo I’ll take Doncic if I’m starting a team.
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What is your business again?
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Funny I’m also in Dallas a lot as the Cowboys are also a major client. God I love that stadium. Anyway, now we are talking with Doncic, he is the man. He’s truly a specimen. What he’s doing right now is unheard of. Albeit I was a little saddened by his performance last Friday vs LA especially after that last time they played each other. I sat in the club level last year at AAC and that was absolutely awesome. They had all you can eat food!! And it was not just standard ball game food. I had prime rib and salmon etc... love AAC
As of right now I’m going to agree with Bevo I’ll take Doncic if I’m starting a team.
Yes, that stadium is no joke. Have you got a chance to go check out “the star” in frisco? Lots of businesses expanding and they are building so much. Many young entrepreneurs are all over legacy west and the star
Nice. My good buddy works with Mark Cuban and I go to a handful of games a year, got to hang out with dirk over yrs and his German is still pretty good ;D one of the most down to earth dudes in sports, no ego, always a funny and polite guy. Paid for all our drinks and food lol
You should check out the new ball park opening for the 2020 season also. Right next to cowboys stadium
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What is your business again?
Own a software development company (senior partner). We do a lot within the business of sport and surrounding ecosystem ( teams, associations/unions that manage players, agents, leagues, stadiums ...). Marketing platforms, CRM, ERP, CMS is our area of focus.
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Larry Bird
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Yes, that stadium is no joke. Have you got a chance to go check out “the star” in frisco? Lots of businesses expanding and they are building so much. Many young entrepreneurs are all over legacy west and the star
Nice. My good buddy works with Mark Cuban and I go to a handful of games a year, got to hang out with dirk over yrs and his German is still pretty good ;D one of the most down to earth dudes in sports, no ego, always a funny and polite guy. Paid for all our drinks and food lol
You should check out the new ball park opening for the 2020 season also. Right next to cowboys stadium
You know what I want to say we had our meetings at The Star in November. When I meet with the executive team there we typically don’t meet at AT&T it’s the practice facility. I will say as good of a client as they are they are so cheap with the tickets/boxes. They actually wanted us to reduce licensing and services costs to come to a game. This was after I took them to Commons Club. Can’t whine too much going on 8 years now with them.
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He needs to be cutting weight, not gaining weight.
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He needs to be cutting weight, not gaining weight.
100%. 285 at that height can’t be durable for an NBA career. Maybe a 16 game NFL season but not a grinding NBA season.
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8lbs of muscle in a week?what a dumb thing to say.
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He needs to be cutting weight, not gaining weight.
whatever hes doing its working, but he will get injury, meat eating isnt sustainable. Reality is he aint gaining weight hes tall and ripped and peaking hes genetic elite plus best supps nba can provide
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Dude can do two things--eat and dunk.
No way will he ever live up to the hype. No way.
Will eat himself out of the league.
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Dude can do two things--eat and dunk.
No way will he ever live up to the hype. No way.
Will eat himself out of the league.
Complete misconception by people who have never watched him play apart from sports center highlights.dribbles,passes and moves like a guard, his iq for making the right play is off the charts, defends point guards and centers with the same ease on both, his lateral quickness on defence is elite,blocks shots like nobody ive ever seen at 6'6.Has a soft feathery touch around the rim you just dont see on big men.Ironically prefers to use skill and agility finishing around the basket, this is where he reminds me most of an 06-09 wade, the way he skilfully navigates round defenders at the basket rather than bowling through them like say shaq.Passing in half court sets reminds me alot of luka, just sees the open man before anyone else does.His % around the basket so far in his duke and preseason nba games has been higher than even barkley and shaq, around 70%.Shoots a high 3 point % meaning you cant leave him alone.I wont even talk about his athleticism, only rivals there in nba history are Jordan,Lebron, Shaq and Wilt.His mind maybe his strongest attribute, is always positive, never gets bothered, always gives 100%,plays to win rather than fill the stat sheet, teammates love him.Only downside to his game i see is his jump shot, as he tends to just shoot a set shot, with a medium to slow release.Ive been watching the nba seriously since 1990, and Ive never seen anything like him.If he stays healthy he has the potential to rival Jordan, and I dont say this lightly as a massive Jordan fan.
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Complete misconception by people who have never watched him play apart from sports center highlights.dribbles,passes and moves like a guard, his iq for making the right play is off the charts, defends point guards and centers with the same ease on both, his lateral quickness on defence is elite,blocks shots like nobody ive ever seen at 6'6.Has a soft feathery touch around the rim you just dont see on big men.Ironically prefers to use skill and agility finishing around the basket, this is where he reminds me most of an 06-09 wade, the way he skilfully navigates round defenders at the basket rather than bowling through them like say shaq.Passing in half court sets reminds me alot of luka, just sees the open man before anyone else does.His % around the basket so far in his duke and preseason nba games has been higher than even barkley and shaq, around 70%.Shoots a high 3 point % meaning you cant leave him alone.I wont even talk about his athleticism, only rivals there in nba history are Jordan,Lebron, Shaq and Wilt.His mind maybe his strongest attribute, is always positive, never gets bothered, always gives 100%,plays to win rather than fill the stat sheet, teammates love him.Only downside to his game i see is his jump shot, as he tends to just shoot a set shot, with a medium to slow release.Ive been watching the nba seriously since 1990, and Ive never seen anything like him.If he stays healthy he has the potential to rival Jordan, and I dont say this lightly as a massive Jordan fan.
I agreed with all of this right up until you compare someone with zero NBA experience to having Jordan-like potential. Man the sports world needs to embrace the fact that there will never ever ever be anyone like MJ. The sooner you realize this the more you will appreciate what we all got to experience watching him AND you won’t be frustrated when they don’t pan out. There will never be another MJ albeit i will give you Barkley or Larry Johnson.
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I agreed with all of this right up until you compare someone with zero NBA experience to having Jordan-like potential. Man the sports world needs to embrace the fact that there will never ever ever be anyone like MJ. The sooner you realize this the more you will appreciate what we all got to experience watching him AND you won’t be frustrated when they don’t pan out. There will never be another MJ albeit i will give you Barkley or Larry Johnson.
Ive literally never said this about a player once in the last 30 years til last year.Best at their peak ive seen since then are Shaq, Wade and Lebron, and at no point did I ever consider them to ever rival Jordan, they just didnt have "it".Zion has it, ironically so does Luka, they both have potential to be top 5 and to get somewhere near or level with Jordan.I will say Jordan was so great that its only his 2 early retirements that allow this or Id consider it impossible.From a mental,pure skill, talent and god given athlete standpoint, no I dont think either will rival Jordan.But that plus stats and accomplishments its possible, though i give it less than a 10% chance. You say its impossible to look at someone pre nba and say they cant be a G.O.A.T rival, yet everytime i watched Jordan in the pre olympic 84 warmup games vs the all nba team, Im astounded how even then I can see its clearly the best player ive ever seen play. Even hubie Brown commentating says he thinks Jordan will be an all time great, and he hadnt even stepped on an NBA court yet.Bobby knight in the summer of 84, the coach of the olympic team, was saying at that time jordan was the best he'd ever seen, including NBA players in that.Even more amazing is that scouts saw him play and still picked Hakeem and Sam Bowie over him in the draft!!So its possible to see greatness before even one NBA game, but its a once in a 10-20 year occurrence or more.Also I wont be frustrated at all if zion desnt pan out, I simply see what i see, Im no huge fan of his.
3:00 is the hubie brown quote, and you could apply the same quote to zion
jordan was 21 here, zion is 19, Luka is 20.Food for thought.
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I will go as far as saying if I was to draft from the 2019 class I’d take Ja Morant over him and RJ.
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Zion is already injured, we already witnessed christian laetner , just had bad chemistry with low lifes in nba but lead the dream team to gold
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I will go as far as saying if I was to draft from the 2019 class I’d take Ja Morant over him and RJ.
Only way you do that is if you think Zion will go the way of greg oden, even then you take the gamble.
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Only way you do that is if you think Zion will go the way of greg oden, even then you take the gamble.
Good analogy and a bitter pill for me given my alma mater (OSU). I m not putting him in that category by any means. We will definitely come back to this thread in mid February after we get a better sample to go from. Him and Brandon Ingram might actually be a good duo. You see him drop 49 last night?? He’s looking awesome.
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I will go as far as saying if I was to draft from the 2019 class I’d take Ja Morant over him and RJ.
I agree.
I called that before Zion got injured (with Morant) before they were drafted. He is the best of this class.
Zion will be good, but not great. He has athleticism going for him mostly. Not a great shooter, passer, or dribbler.
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Tonight is the night boys! Everybody watching?
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Good analogy and a bitter pill for me given my alma mater (OSU). I m not putting him in that category by any means. We will definitely come back to this thread in mid February after we get a better sample to go from. Him and Brandon Ingram might actually be a good duo. You see him drop 49 last night?? He’s looking awesome.
OSU? Did you grow up near there? I have family there. Just curious.
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OSU? Did you grow up near there? I have family there. Just curious.
Ohio State yes. Did my undergrad International Business. My parents live in Yellow Springs. They actually live next door to Dave Chapelle he’s a family friend 😀.
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Ohio State yes. Did my undergrad International Business. My parents live in Yellow Springs. They actually live next door to Dave Chapelle he’s a family friend 😀.
My sister teaches in New Albany Ohio and lives in Hilliard. Got her masters from OSU. Columbus area/suburbs are all pretty nice.
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Already showed the vision in first 3 minutes which everyone here said he didnt have ;D
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Already showed the vision in first 3 minutes which everyone here said he didnt have ;D
Ohhhh that 1 big assist he’s got lol
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Never heard of this zion fagget till today. Sick build from koolaid n chicken but these dummys have short lifespan and likely a cripple by 30
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Ohhhh that 1 big assist he’s got lol
he's about as out of shape as you can get.Another 10 games before we see any consistency imho.
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Funny how these retard athletes guzzling gatorade like it will give them super powers
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Funny how these retard athletes guzzling gatorade like it will give them super powers
I think the green gatorade has a grass clipping base. Does that sway you?
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I think the green gatorade has a grass clipping base. Does that sway you?
likely then its radioactive waste and the neeguls just slopping it up maybe u like this beverage
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likely then its radioactive waste and the neeguls just slopping it up maybe u like this beverage
I fancy the zero sugar formula.
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told you all.
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told you all.
Lol i was getting ready to troll you and then he scored 17 points in 120 seconds....
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Lol i was getting ready to troll you and then he scored 17 points in 120 seconds....
I'm willing to bet he's got a kielbasa that would make Venom Vince green w/envy.
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told you all.
Damn!!!! Sick first game. Covering up the stat board like a blanket. 4-4 from 3???
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I'm willing to bet he's got a kielbasa that would make Venom Vince green w/envy.
In my dreams he does Ham...
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Has anyone aske why Alvin Gentry continues to get head coaching opportunities?
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Has anyone aske why Alvin Gentry continues to get head coaching opportunities?
Great question. Back in the 90's when he helped coach the Pistons into obscurity, I thought he was relegated to bench coach duty (at the division 2 collegiate level). Amazing.
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Great question. Back in the 90's when he helped coach the Pistons into obscurity, I thought he was relegated to bench coach duty (at the division 2 collegiate level). Amazing.
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Bro he was A W F U L as the HC for the Pistons. GHill in his prime, an effective Joe D, athletic Stackhouse and JYD Jerome Williamson and he could not fit those pieces together.
I thought he was going to go on the U of D/Eastern/Central/Western tour but he still was getting NBA gigs. He must be a likeable guy.
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Bro he was A W F U L as the HC for the Pistons. GHill in his prime, an effective Joe D, athletic Stackhouse and JYD Jerome Williamson and he could not fit those pieces together.
I thought he was going to go on the U of D/Eastern/Central/Western tour but he still was getting NBA gigs. He must be a likeable guy.
You just referenced many a university in my home state. Are you a Michigan product as well?
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Scored more points in his debut than jordan and shaq with his coaching staff against him and his team basically ignoring him in the first half.
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Scored more points in his debut than jordan and shaq with his coaching staff against him and his team basically ignoring him in the first half.
There you have it. He's already in the history books.
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You just referenced many a university in my home state. Are you a Michigan product as well?
Yes sir.
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Yes sir.
Still? Or have you migrated elsewhere?
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I envisioned him as kind of a Blake Griffin 2.0, which wouldn't be very useful in the modern NBA because they've gone away from post play.
It looks like he can actually shoot the ball from deep which will make him more valuable than a guy like Blake. His release is slow though. The Spurs were basically letting him shoot.
If he doesn't cut some weight his feet and knees are going to be a problem. Plantar fasciitis, microfractures, ACL, MCL, Meniscus. We'll see if he ends up being injury prone like Griffin. I'm predicting yes.
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He must have been using the Cell tech/ nitro tech stack
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Has anyone aske why Alvin Gentry continues to get head coaching opportunities?
THey should have fired him at the end of last season.
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Damn!!!! Sick first game. Covering up the stat board like a blanket. 4-4 from 3???
I bet he has taken a lot of 3's over the past 12 weeks while resting his knees.
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Yes sir.
If you’re a Yooper, I will personally drive to Ontonagon just to kick you in the nutsack.
😁
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he's about as out of shape as you can get.Another 10 games before we see any consistency imho.
Game 9, career high 31 points, averaging 22/8
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Game 9, career high 31 points, averaging 22/8
I put my differences aside for sports. He’s coming along very nicely, albeit Portland isn’t known for the greatest D. Sick game from Z!
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I put my differences aside for sports. He’s coming along very nicely, albeit Portland isn’t known for the greatest D. Sick game from Z!
between him and doncic for league mvp once giannis falls off.
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between him and doncic for league mvp once giannis falls off.
Doncic is probably my favourite player right now. What these guys are doing at that age is ridiculous. These guys are running the league at 20
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he's about as out of shape as you can get.Another 10 games before we see any consistency imho.
Game 10, career high
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Will be the face of the league in a few years assuming he stays healthy.
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Will be the face of the league in a few years assuming he stays healthy.
He might be more deadly than shaq was within 10 feet.true one of a kind.
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He might be more deadly than shaq was within 10 feet.true one of a kind.
I've been saying it since watching his highlights from his Junior year of high school. When all the comments on youtube were saying that his competition was garbage and that he wouldn't make it in college.
I've been watching basketball for over 25 years and have never seen a player like him.
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He might be more deadly than shaq was within 10 feet.true one of a kind.
Sure he is. ::) More deadly than Shaq within 10 feet of the basket. More deadly than Shaq who was a 7'1" 330 pound behemoth with coordination and practically immovable in the paint....Jesus Christ...I've read it all now.
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Sure he is. ::) More deadly than Shaq within 10 feet of the basket. More deadly than Shaq who was a 7'1" 330 pound behemoth with coordination and practically immovable in the paint....Jesus Christ...I've read it all now.
Have you been watching any of his games? When Zion gets the ball near the basket, it's almost a guaranteed bucket. His looks like a father playing against his middle school age son on an 8.5' goal.
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Sure he is. ::) More deadly than Shaq within 10 feet of the basket. More deadly than Shaq who was a 7'1" 330 pound behemoth with coordination and practically immovable in the paint....Jesus Christ...I've read it all now.
Higher field goal % than rookie Shaq, scoring easier and more than rookie Shaq, younger than rookie Shaq and has more moves down low than rookie Shaq.....softer touch than rookie Shaq around the rim...better free throw shooter than rookie Shaq so teams more confused about what to do with him down low...jumps higher than rookie Shaq...has the greatest 2nd jump of all time..
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Higher field goal % than rookie Shaq, scoring easier and more than rookie Shaq, younger than rookie Shaq and has more moves down low than rookie Shaq.....softer touch than rookie Shaq around the rim...better free throw shooter than rookie Shaq so teams more confused about what to do with him down low...jumps higher than rookie Shaq...has the greatest 2nd jump of all time..
What a stupid fucking argument with these pointless stats you're throwing out. His rookie season isn't even completed yet, you donkey...and you're comparing him to a top 5 all time hall of fame center... ::)
He isn't driving to the basket against players like Shaq. It's stupid to even compare the two. They play two entirely different positions. Shaq was 6 inched TALLER than Zion. Zion would have his ass handed handed to him more often than not driving to the hole against a prime Shaq. Give me a break, dude.
2nd greatest jump of all time?? Who gives a fuck. Here's a name......Harold Miner. Ever heard of him? They called him Baby Jordan, he could jump higher then Michael Jordan. How did his career end up turning out?
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Higher field goal % than rookie Shaq, scoring easier and more than rookie Shaq, younger than rookie Shaq and has more moves down low than rookie Shaq.....softer touch than rookie Shaq around the rim...better free throw shooter than rookie Shaq so teams more confused about what to do with him down low...jumps higher than rookie Shaq...has the greatest 2nd jump of all time..
in a softer league without any credible big men, the best center is jokic and he's a bit fat softee.
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What a stupid fucking argument with these pointless stats you're throwing out. His rookie season isn't even completed yet, you donkey...and you're comparing him to a top 5 all time hall of fame center... ::)
He isn't driving to the basket against players like Shaq. It's stupid to even compare the two. They play two entirely different positions. Shaq was 6 inched TALLER than Zion. Zion would have his ass handed handed to him more often than not driving to the hole against a prime Shaq. Give me a break, dude.
2nd greatest jump of all time?? Who gives a fuck. Here's a name......Harold Miner. Ever heard of him? They called him Baby Jordan, he could jump higher then Michael Jordan. How did his career end up turning out?
Stats don't lie and Zion is playing centre for large parts of the current games.Thats the beauty of him, he's as quick as a gaurd with the power and strength of a center, while having a vertical higher than any center ever.He isn't driving to the basket against players like Shaq?Are you even watching the games or highlights? Obviously not.Shaq might be 6inches taller than zion, but if Zions average jump is 5-10 inches higher and Zion is stronger too then that freak ability looks to be nullifying any problems with his 6'6 height.Have you ever played basketball?Tons of players can jump out the gym, very few can 2nd jump out the gym.Zion can and if you were actually watching the games you'd know what a weapon it is following his own missed shots or jumping for a 2nd rebound attempt.he is like some freak mixture of Barkley,Shaq,Wade, Rose and Westbrook.
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Stats don't lie and Zion is playing centre for large parts of the current games.Thats the beauty of him, he's as quick as a gaurd with the power and strength of a center, while having a vertical higher than any center ever.He isn't driving to the basket against players like Shaq?Are you even watching the games or highlights? Obviously not.Shaq might be 6inches taller than zion, but if Zions average jump is 5-10 inches higher and Zion is stronger too then that freak ability looks to be nullifying any problems with his 6'6 height.Have you ever played basketball?Tons of players can jump out the gym, very few can 2nd jump out the gym.Zion can and if you were actually watching the games you'd know what a weapon it is following his own missed shots or jumping for a 2nd rebound attempt.he is like some freak mixture of Barkley,Shaq,Wade, Rose and Westbrook.
My head is in my hands and just sighing at reading this horse shit. It's like arguing with a beta millennial who thinks he's training hard at the gym even while repeatedly checking his snapchat likes between sets.
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Stats don't lie and Zion is playing centre for large parts of the current games.Thats the beauty of him, he's as quick as a gaurd with the power and strength of a center, while having a vertical higher than any center ever.He isn't driving to the basket against players like Shaq?Are you even watching the games or highlights? Obviously not.Shaq might be 6inches taller than zion, but if Zions average jump is 5-10 inches higher and Zion is stronger too then that freak ability looks to be nullifying any problems with his 6'6 height.Have you ever played basketball?Tons of players can jump out the gym, very few can 2nd jump out the gym.Zion can and if you were actually watching the games you'd know what a weapon it is following his own missed shots or jumping for a 2nd rebound attempt.he is like some freak mixture of Barkley,Shaq,Wade, Rose and Westbrook.
Bro you’re right stats don’t lie, that said you should be comparing Shaq’s first 10 games to Zions. Also the stats of the centers Zion is playing against versus the stats of the centers Shaq played against. Wasn’t Shaqs first game against the Heat and Rony Siekaly? Shaq faced prime David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Hakeem, Yao, Zo, etc... how would he do against today’s bigs? It’s safe to say he’s shoot very well in the paint.
Zion is a great and exciting player and I realize you get a lot of street cred for being the first to recognize his greatness on a bodybuilding board but you should factor in everything when making comparisons. Rookie Shaq had Nick Anderson as his best teammate, Zion has 25 ppg and all star Brandon Ingram as well as former all star Jarue Holiday.
I hope dude is an all timer, he’s exciting and humble. But his season started 30 games after everyone else, let’s enjoy what he is instead of anointing him before he’s played half a season.
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My head is in my hands and just sighing at reading this horse shit. It's like arguing with a beta millennial who thinks he's training hard at the gym even while repeatedly checking his snapchat likes between sets.
You are welcome to dispute with facts or stats, or some observations you have comparing the 2.I saw Shaq live 6 times in his rookie season, one of the games at courtside.Im very aware of what Shaq could do and very aware of what Zion can do.You realise Dennis Rodman at 6'6 barefoot used to give Shaq fits when he defended him?You realise Barkley at 6'5 barefoot frequently outrebounded Shaq?Zion is a better athlete than both.
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Bro you’re right stats don’t lie, that said you should be comparing Shaq’s first 10 games to Zions. Also the stats of the centers Zion is playing against versus the stats of the centers Shaq played against. Wasn’t Shaqs first game against the Heat and Rony Siekaly? Shaq faced prime David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Hakeem, Yao, Zo, etc... how would he do against today’s bigs? It’s safe to say he’s shoot very well in the paint.
Zion is a great and exciting player and I realize you get a lot of street cred for being the first to recognize his greatness on a bodybuilding board but you should factor in everything when making comparisons. Rookie Shaq had Nick Anderson as his best teammate, Zion has 25 ppg and all star Brandon Ingram as well as former all star Jarue Holiday.
I hope dude is an all timer, he’s exciting and humble. But his season started 30 games after everyone else, let’s enjoy what he is instead of anointing him before he’s played half a season.
Zion was a better high school player than Shaq, a better college player than Shaq, and now his first 10 NBA back off injury games are better than Shaq, all while 2 years younger as a rookie.
Shaq's college stats over 3 years
SUMMARY
Career
G
90
PTS
21.6
TRB
13.5
AST
1.7
FG%
61.0
FG3%
FT%
57.5
eFG%
61.0
Zions 1 year freshman stats
SUMMARY
Career
G
33
PTS
22.6
TRB
8.9
AST
2.1
FG%
68.0
FG3%
33.8
FT%
64.0
eFG%
70.8
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Zion was a better high school player than Shaq, a better college player than Shaq, and now his first 10 NBA back off injury games are better than Shaq, all while 2 years younger as a rookie.
Shaq's college stats over 3 years
SUMMARY
Career
G
90
PTS
21.6
TRB
13.5
AST
1.7
FG%
61.0
FG3%
FT%
57.5
eFG%
61.0
Zions 1 year freshman stats
SUMMARY
Career
G
33
PTS
22.6
TRB
8.9
AST
2.1
FG%
68.0
FG3%
33.8
FT%
64.0
eFG%
70.8
Good point. Shaq as a freshman and sophomore played with Stanley Roberts for 2 years at LSU. Who was the dominant senior Zions freshman year?
You know who else had better high school careers than Shaq, Ronnie Fields and Marcus Taylor.
You’re trolling but it’s funny. Well done.
Also eFg% wasn’t a stat that was tracked in the 90’s, just like the 3 point shot wasn’t as valued as it is today. So keep apples with apples.
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Good point. Shaq as a freshman and sophomore played with Stanley Roberts for 2 years at LSU. Who was the dominant senior Zions freshman year?
You know who else had better high school careers than Shaq, Ronnie Fields and Marcus Taylor.
You’re trolling but it’s funny. Well done.
Also eFg% wasn’t a stat that was tracked in the 90’s, just like the 3 point shot wasn’t as valued as it is today. So keep apples with apples.
I don't wait for the media or my friends to have a consensus opinion before I adopt it to fit in.I say what I see.Zion at 19 is far better than Shaq was at 19, and slightly better than Shaq was at 21.
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I don't wait for the media or my friends to have a consensus opinion before I adopt it to fit in.I say what I see.Zion at 19 is far better than Shaq was at 19, and slightly better than Shaq was at 21.
Cool.
You have a great perspective and obviously aren’t biased. You’re much smarter than any of your friends, I hope you’re validated in your NBA career as an executive with your keen eye for talent. You’ve recognized the 1st overall pick in an NBA draft as an elite talent.
You’re the modern era Jerry West!
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Cool.
You have a great perspective and obviously aren’t biased. You’re much smarter than any of your friends, I hope you’re validated in your NBA career as an executive with your keen eye for talent. You’ve recognized the 1st overall pick in an NBA draft as an elite talent.
You’re the modern era Jerry West!
You seem to be sitting on the fence, with no real opinion, other than don't be too hasty.Other than saying Shaq had worse teammates at LSU and 1st year orlando I'm not even quite sure what point you are trying to make.Also it's very clear Zion doesn't need plays drafted for him to be effective and when Ingram was out it was even easier for him to score as the focal point.I suspect the worse Zions NBA teammates are the higher his stats would be.
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You seem to be sitting on the fence, with no real opinion, other than don't be too hasty.Other than saying Shaq had worse teammates at LSU and 1st year orlando I'm not even quite sure what point you are trying to make.Also it's very clear Zion doesn't need plays drafted for him to be effective and when Ingram was out it was even easier for him to score as the focal point.I suspect the worse Zions NBA teammates are the higher his stats would be.
Penny Hardaway was a unique talent. He was a 2 time all 1st team NBA point guard 3 years into his career. Early on he was a better Magic, no one says that today.
10 games into his career Zion is going to be better than Shaq. You said he was better than (will be) better than Jordan. Great.
10 games into his career. Now you’re saying 19 year old Zion is better than Shaq at the same age.
That’s fair. Shaq at 19 had ZERO instagram followers. Zion is in the millions.
We are talking about two different eras, but you’re using simple stats to say it’s the same game.
Oh Dwight Howard was a better teen than Shaq as well.
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You seem to be sitting on the fence, with no real opinion, other than don't be too hasty.Other than saying Shaq had worse teammates at LSU and 1st year orlando I'm not even quite sure what point you are trying to make.Also it's very clear Zion doesn't need plays drafted for him to be effective and when Ingram was out it was even easier for him to score as the focal point.I suspect the worse Zions NBA teammates are the higher his stats would be.
Penny Hardaway was a unique talent. He was a 2 time all 1st team NBA point guard 3 years into his career. Early on he was a better Magic, no one says that today.
10 games into his career Zion is going to be better than Shaq. You said he was better than (will be) better than Jordan. Great.
10 games into his career. Now you’re saying 19 year old Zion is better than Shaq at the same age.
That’s fair. Shaq at 19 had ZERO instagram followers. Zion is in the millions.
We are talking about two different eras, but you’re using simple stats to say it’s the same game.
Disagree with you there.Penny was never as good as magic.Better at slashing and finishing at the rim?yes.worse at everything else.I never said he was going to be better than Jordan, I said he has all tools to rival him, and that if Jordan hadn't retired early twice it would've been an insurmountable task.But yes I believe Zion is better than Shaq was up to age 21, and will continue to be the better player, providing his health holds up.People forget that apart from a great 4 years at the Lakers and 1 year at Orlando, he was playoff fodder, I think he was swept 6 times in his first 8 years or so.Largely because all you had to do was hack him so he went to the line in the 4th quarter where he would fold at the line.
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Back on the 22nd against the spurs.Only thing stopping him from being top 10 all time is is health imo.Ive never seen someone so good in so many areas apart from Jordan.
Fair you didnt say he was better than Jordan. You said if he’s healthy he’s top 10, all time, in the nba?
Disagree with you there.Penny was never as good as magic.Better at slashing and finishing at the rim?yes.worse at everything else.I never said he was going to be better than Jordan, I said he has all tools to rival him, and that if Jordan hadn't retired early twice it would've been an insurmountable task.But yes I believe Zion is better than Shaq was up to age 21, and will continue to be the better player, providing his health holds up.People forget that apart from a great 4 years at the Lakers and 1 year at Orlando, he was playoff fodder, I think he was swept 6 times in his first 8 years or so.Largely because all you had to do was hack him so he went to the line in the 4th quarter where he would fold at the line.
Wait are talking about playoffs now? Zion has zero playoff games on his resume so what stats are you using now?
Collect your thoughts.
In the mid 90s many said Penny was the NEXT Magic. A 6 ‘7”point guard with athleticism and a jump shot. Magic had zero jump shot and wasn’t the athlete penny was. Magic was the superior player.
You want to say Zion is a top 10 player all time IF he’s healthy. Fine. Stay healthy.
Ja Murant may be the best point guard of all time if keeps improving and stays healthy. You heard it here first.
Brandon Roy, Grant Hill, Penny, Ralph Sampson.. how great would they have been.
Health is a key trait of greatness.
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Fair you didnt say he was better than Jordan. You said if he’s healthy he’s top 10, all time, in the nba?
Wait are talking about playoffs now? Zion has zero playoff games on his resume so what stats are you using now?
Collect your thoughts.
In the mid 90s many said Penny was the NEXT Magic. A 6 ‘7”point guard with athleticism and a jump shot. Magic had zero jump shot and wasn’t the athlete penny was. Magic was the superior player.
You want to say Zion is a top 10 player all time IF he’s healthy. Fine. Stay healthy.
Ja Murant may be the best point guard of all time if keeps improving and stays healthy. You heard it here first.
Brandon Roy, Grant Hill, Penny, Ralph Sampson.. how great would they have been.
Health is a key trait of greatness.
Playoffs were just a reflection of his weaknesses, which he had from day 1 in the NBA.Was why I mentioned it.Magics shot was fine, he shot a set shot like many modern players do, you couldnt leave him open.roy would be lucky if top 50.penny and hill, fringe top 20-30 if stayed healthy.Sampson yes, could have been top 10 for sure.
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Disagree with you there.Penny was never as good as magic.Better at slashing and finishing at the rim?yes.worse at everything else.I never said he was going to be better than Jordan, I said he has all tools to rival him, and that if Jordan hadn't retired early twice it would've been an insurmountable task.But yes I believe Zion is better than Shaq was up to age 21, and will continue to be the better player, providing his health holds up.People forget that apart from a great 4 years at the Lakers and 1 year at Orlando, he was playoff fodder, I think he was swept 6 times in his first 8 years or so.Largely because all you had to do was hack him so he went to the line in the 4th quarter where he would fold at the line.
Also I’m not sure if you follow sports but you should know EVERYONE is considered a loser and a failure in the clutch until the win the championship. Jordan, P. Manning, J Elway, Arod, etc... Shaq in the playoffs was loser until he won. Maybe if Nick Anderson hit free throws the narrative is different. But Shaqs team couldn’t win.
Shaq could never shoot free throws but once he won a title he became a champion and it didn’t matter anymore.
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Also I’m not sure if you follow sports but you should know EVERYONE is considered a loser and a failure in the clutch until the win the championship. Jordan, P. Manning, J Elway, Arod, etc... Shaq in the playoffs was loser until he won. Maybe if Nick Anderson hit free throws the narrative is different. But Shaqs team couldn’t win.
Shaq could never shoot free throws but once he won a title he became a champion and it didn’t matter anymore.
No player should be getting swept with Kobe,nick van excel, Eddie jones,Robert horry and Rick fox as teammtes.Especially not 98 Shaq.
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Playoffs were just a reflection of his weaknesses, which he had from day 1 in the NBA.Was why I mentioned it.Magics shot was fine, he shot a set shot like many modern players do, you couldnt leave him open.roy would be lucky if top 50.penny and hill, fringe top 20-30 if stayed healthy.Sampson yes, could have been top 10 for sure.
Lol you win. Magic had a good shot? Was he a great defender as well? Lol
No player should be getting swept with Kobe,nick van excel, Eddie jones,Robert horry and Rick fox as teammtes.Especially not 98 Shaq.
Good point 98 Kobe was at the peak of his powers and Nick the quick and Eddie Jones ended being Hall of Fame players. Del Harris was a great coach. Shaq lost to bums in Utah. Karl Malone, John Stockton lost one the next round right?
Troll on expert
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Lol you win. Magic had a good shot? Was he a great defender as well? Lol
Good point 98 Kobe was at the peak of his powers and Nick the quick and Eddie Jones ended being Hall of Fame players. Del Harris was a great coach. Shaq lost to bums in Utah. Karl Malone, John Stockton lost one the next round right?
Troll on expert
Try actually watching the games.Magic was a 90% plus foul shooter twice in his career, as every shooter knows, the foul line doesn't lie and translates to every other area of the floor on set shots.He also was 52% from the field for his career, that's even higher than Jordan.How are you going to tell me he couldn't shoot?and nobody on the planet thought at the time, or thinks now that that Lakers team was not stacked with talent.
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Try actually watching the games.Magic was a 90% plus foul shooter twice in career, as every shooter knows, the foul line doesn't lie and translates to every other area of the floor on set shots.He also was 52% from the field for his career, that's even higher than Jordan.How are you going to tell me he couldn't shoot?and nobody on the planet thought at the time, or thinks now that that Lakers team was not stacked with talent.
Yes I can tell you’ve watched a lot of games. You have a very keen eye for what’s happening on the court based on your statistics references. Don’t forget Johnson retired early. Jordan played longer and came back in his late 30’s early 40’s and those years affected his stats because he wasn’t the same player.
I like what you’re doing.
Trae Young > Stephen Curry.
Frank Gore 3rd best running back off all time, Philip Rivers > Dan Marino
STATS they don’t lie
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Yes I can tell you’ve watched a lot of games. You have a very keen eye for what’s happening on the court based on your statistics references. Don’t forget Johnson retired early. Jordan played longer and came back in his late 30’s early 40’s and those years affected his stats because he wasn’t the same player.
I like what you’re doing.
Trae Young > Stephen Curry.
Frank Gore 3rd best running back off all time, Philip Rivers > Dan Marino
STATS they don’t lie
You just keep spewing nonsense.The fact you think a guard who shoots 90% from the foul line and over 50% from the field "can't shoot" just confirms you have no idea what you are talking about and have never played a serious organised game of basketball in your life, nor watched much NBA apart from sports center highlights.
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You just keep spewing nonsense.The fact you think a guard who shoots 90% from the foul line and over 50% from the field "can't shoot" just confirms you have no idea what you are talking about and have never played a serious organised game of basketball in your life, nor watched much NBA apart from sports center highlights.
Agreed. Magic shot 85% from the line for his career though. He did make 90% twice though. So I’m not sure how you’re using the stats unless you’re picking the ones you like such as career fg% and career high ft%.
And the NBA spells the position C E N T E R , which I’m sure you know.
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Agreed. Magic shot 85% from the line for his career though. He did make 90% twice though. So I’m not sure how you’re using the stats unless you’re picking the ones you like such as career fg% and career high ft%.
And the NBA spells the position C E N T E R , which I’m sure you know.
I'm from the UK and it's centre there, I mix them up when talking football (soccer)and NBA.Magic came in the league an average to good shooter, and by the mid 80s he was an elite shooter, you couldn't leave him open.The other bs that everyone says is Jordan wasn't a great jump shooter until 90-91, which is also bullshit, he was a great jump shooter from day 1 NBA, he just posted up and fadeawayed more from around 89 onwards.Also people say Bird was slow, which is nonsense he wasn't fast end to end but he was extremely quick in his movements.Apart from not being able to jump high he was a great athlete.So many players get undeserved labels and it gets repeated enough where it's believed.
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List of rookies to average at least 20ppg and 60 TS%:
Adrian Dantley (1977): 20 ppg and 60 TS%
Bill Cartwright (1980): 21 ppg and 60 TS%
Zion Williamson: 22 ppg and 61 TS%
Top 2 rookies all time for points per 36 (20 ppg qualification):
1. Zion: 29.3 points per 36 (61 TS%)
2. Wilt: 29.2 points per 36 (49 TS%)
Zion's last 4 games:
29 ppg on 63 TS% in just 30 minutes per game. Zion in the last 4 games is essentially scoring 1 point per minute on 60+ TS%
of the 34 players averaging at least 20 PPG, Zion currently leads the NBA in FG%. The last player to have a better FG% while scoring 20 PPG was Dwight Howard in 2011
Been better that anyone else he has shared a floor with so far not named Giannis,including Dame, CP3, Harden, Westbrook, Tatum, and Jokic.
ppg as rookies
PPG:
1. Zion (22.8)
2. Luka (21.2)
3. Melo (21)
4. LeBron (20.9)
5. KD (20.3)
Points per 36:
1. Zion (29.3)
2. Luka (23.7)
3. Kyrie (21.8)
4. KD (21.1)
5. Melo (20.7)
eFG%:
1. Zion (59.9%)
2. Kyrie (51.7%)
3. Luka (49.7%)
4. Marbury (46.6%)
5. Wiggins (45.4%)
TS%:
1. Zion (61%)
2. Kyrie (56%)
3. Luka (54%)
4. KD (52%)
5. Marbury (52%)
Zion is currently generating about twice as many shots at the rim per 100 possessions as Shaq was in 2001
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I told you all
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Higher field goal % than rookie Shaq, scoring easier and more than rookie Shaq, younger than rookie Shaq and has more moves down low than rookie Shaq.....softer touch than rookie Shaq around the rim...
Down low?
Softer touch around the rim?
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He can be great if he avoids injury. So far, he's had injury problems.
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Down low?
Softer touch around the rim?
There's that abstract humour again
;D
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Army why is Zion a mediocre rebounder (when considering his athleticism)?
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Army why is Zion a mediocre rebounder (when considering his athleticism)?
same reason he's a trash defender, he lazy
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The Zionist Conspiracy
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Army why is Zion a mediocre rebounder (when considering his athleticism)?
id say like below he is lazy in some respects.But he is definitely getting back in shape, he is bowling people over like prime shaq while zipping between defenders like prime wade and gliding through the air and finishing like Jordan.freak of nature.If he gets or is allowed to take mid range jumpers, its over for the league.
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id say like below he is lazy in some respects.But he is definitely getting back in shape, he is bowling people over like prime shaq while zipping between defenders like prime wade and gliding through the air and finishing like Jordan.freak of nature.If he gets or is allowed to take mid range jumpers, its over for the league.
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ever seen anyone move like below apart from Jordan and to a lesser extent Wade?
I told you all