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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: SAMSON123 on February 12, 2020, 08:35:31 AM
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Seeing a lot of people engaging in this FREEZE method of recovery? Recouping? etc
Anyone on here done it? If so what was it like?
Did it work?
https://www.instagram.com/stories/big_ramy/
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Science has already proven this crap to be USELESS!!!!!!!!! Bodybuilders are such idiots!!!!
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BOOM!
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Waste of money. Pure BS.
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Just do the alternating hot-cold shower. 1 min hot, 30 seconds cold, repeat.
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So much fucken money it means nothing to him - paying to be cold. Fuck, Canada would be a wealthy nation if cold had any measured impact on health. Do like the Danish, sauna and jump in the snow.
J
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He blew Weinstein. I have no doubts now.
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pseudo....
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the old go in the sauna or hot tub, run out and roll around in the snow ruse.
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Science has already proven this crap to be USELESS!!!!!!!!! Bodybuilders are such idiots!!!!
But amazing warriors none the less
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do you think the freeze therapy will help that big retard ramy dial in his conditioning that never comes in ?
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do you think the freeze therapy will help that big retard ramy dial in his conditioning that never comes in ?
I hope hes not thinking thats going to be his miracle answer for finally getting in shape, there are studies that suggest cold turns white fat to brown fat and is burned easier
If he thinks thats going to do it for him then good luck..
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I hope hes not thinking thats going to be his miracle answer for finally getting in shape, there are studies that suggest cold turns white fat to brown fat and is burned easier
If he thinks thats going to do it for him then good luck..
do you think the freeze therapy will help that big retard ramy dial in his conditioning that never comes in ?
I noticed in all of his videos he works out alone... meaning their is no COACH
Looking at him now he seems to be more conditioned WITHOUT ANYONE than he has been with a coach
I really believe it is his year and he will win the Arnold as the look in his face (drawn cheeks) is greater now than ever
Time will tell nonetheless... I actually hope he wins to be honest
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He has a real punchable face here, not to the extreme of Christian Bale, who has the MOST punchable face in punchable face history
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cold water plunges are next level mind fuck. water that is around 40 degrees for 6-8 minutes
being cold and wet is mental workout. you start breathing super hard.
watch some of the top MMA fighters freak out haha
i think its john jones at :33 second
cryo freeze is a cop out compared to an ice bath. dunk your whole head for 20-30 seconds ;D
cold water is good for inflammation and soreness
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He blew Weinstein. I have no doubts now.
Fuck off
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He has a real punchable face here, not to the extreme of Christian Bale, who has the MOST punchable face in punchable face history
Dude, Mark Mark would fucking wreck you.
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Dude, Mark Mark would fucking wreck you.
I would punch his midget face right through and then proceed to do the same thing to you
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I noticed in all of his videos he works out alone... meaning their is no COACH
Looking at him now he seems to be more conditioned WITHOUT ANYONE than he has been with a coach
I really believe it is his year and he will win the Arnold as the look in his face (drawn cheeks) is greater now than ever
Time will tell nonetheless... I actually hope he wins to be honest
but the thing is he always looks like that, and when he gets onstage doesnt look anywhere near what his photo shopped photos look like,hes a goat fucker to
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but the thing is he always looks like that, and when he gets onstage doesnt look anywhere near what his photo shopped photos look like,hes a goat fucker to
Be nice
Every other time there was a disappointment he had a coach.... Lets see what he brings this time WITHOUT A COACH
Possibly he knows his body better than any coach and decided to do it solo this time... Can't hurt
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Has anyone actually tried it ???
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I get in my pool when the water is really cold. It helps my joint pain that is for sure.
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Science has already proven this crap to be USELESS!!!!!!!!! Bodybuilders are such idiots!!!!
Yes, ice water baths have been shown to actually prevent an adaptive response to training. You don't want to interfere with inflammation too much. Kind of like how anti-oxidants prevent the important free radical production that is important for the adaptation response.
But lots of athletes in many sports continue using these modalities. Who knows, perhaps in certain situations they can help, but the research doesn't really support them.
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Yes, ice water baths have been shown to actually prevent an adaptive response to training. You don't want to interfere with inflammation too much. Kind of like how anti-oxidants prevent the important free radical production that is important for the adaptation response.
But lots of athletes in many sports continue using these modalities. Who knows, perhaps in certain situations they can help, but the research doesn't really support them.
Feel free to throw up the links to this research. I've had great relief from using cryo, joints/tendons are feeling much, much better.
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Feel free to throw up the links to this research. I've had great relief from using cryo, joints/tendons are feeling much, much better.
Joints feeling better is easy to believe, it suppresses inflammation after all, there's no contradiction with what I said. The research is on muscle adaptation. You want a certain degree of inflammation for the muscle to respond to training. Some have even theorized that increasing inflammation through arachidonic acid supps should increase muscle growth - William Llewellyn, who wrote the Anabolics books, patented this fatty acid for this purpose. NSAIDs also reduce muscle adaptation and hypetrophy. Yet research in the elderly showed that ibuprofen apparently increased hypertrophy. Why? It's likely the ibuprofen allowed these oldies to actually exercise, so the net effect ended up being a positive, even if it suppressed muscle growth to a degree.
Almost all athletes use NSAIDs perodically and the net effect is often positive, even if the per se effect of the drug hampers adaptation.
Check it out, a blog post on it, better format for the average reader than just the actual study.
https://suppversity.blogspot.com/2015/07/using-ice-cold-water-immersion-after.html?m=1
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Fuck off
Probably even let ole Harvey Wallbanger wail on his buns.
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Joints feeling better is easy to believe, it suppresses inflammation after all, there's no contradiction with what I said. The research is on muscle adaptation. You want a certain degree of inflammation for the muscle to respond to training. Some have even theorized that increasing inflammation through arachidonic acid supps should increase muscle growth - William Llewellyn, who wrote the Anabolics books, patented this fatty acid for this purpose. NSAIDs also reduce muscle adaptation and hypetrophy. Yet research in the elderly showed that ibuprofen apparently increased hypertrophy. Why? It's likely the ibuprofen allowed these oldies to actually exercise, so the net effect ended up being a positive, even if it suppressed muscle growth to a degree.
Almost all athletes use NSAIDs perodically and the net effect is often positive, even if the per se effect of the drug hampers adaptation.
Check it out, a blog post on it, better format for the average reader than just the actual study.
https://suppversity.blogspot.com/2015/07/using-ice-cold-water-immersion-after.html?m=1
Bollocks, I was under impression that old people hate cold !.
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Joints feeling better is easy to believe, it suppresses inflammation after all, there's no contradiction with what I said. The research is on muscle adaptation. You want a certain degree of inflammation for the muscle to respond to training. Some have even theorized that increasing inflammation through arachidonic acid supps should increase muscle growth - William Llewellyn, who wrote the Anabolics books, patented this fatty acid for this purpose. NSAIDs also reduce muscle adaptation and hypetrophy. Yet research in the elderly showed that ibuprofen apparently increased hypertrophy. Why? It's likely the ibuprofen allowed these oldies to actually exercise, so the net effect ended up being a positive, even if it suppressed muscle growth to a degree.
Almost all athletes use NSAIDs perodically and the net effect is often positive, even if the per se effect of the drug hampers adaptation.
Check it out, a blog post on it, better format for the average reader than just the actual study.
https://suppversity.blogspot.com/2015/07/using-ice-cold-water-immersion-after.html?m=1
if one is a fairly decent cycle..... how much effect can it have?
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if one is a fairly decent cycle..... how much effect can it have?
You mean how much of a negative effect cold therapies would have? Impossible to say but perhaps something to keep in mind. One could maybe theorize that in certain situations it might be outright beneficial to reduce runaway inflammation as a result of extreme training. I have played with contrast showers after hard workouts and it feels like it causes immediate recovery of some strength - even if it reduces long term adaptation.
Lots of strength athletes feel NSAIDs help too. Same with high dose antioxidants, though the scientifically minded say to restrict their use to competition situations where they may have acute performance enhancing effects. Long term use though should reduce or even abolish positive adaptation. Then again many good bodybuilders use multi-gram vitamin C for example, though most time is spent on a plateau or losing and regaining lost size. Very little time is spent gaining totally new size.
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Joints feeling better is easy to believe, it suppresses inflammation after all, there's no contradiction with what I said. The research is on muscle adaptation. You want a certain degree of inflammation for the muscle to respond to training. Some have even theorized that increasing inflammation through arachidonic acid supps should increase muscle growth - William Llewellyn, who wrote the Anabolics books, patented this fatty acid for this purpose. NSAIDs also reduce muscle adaptation and hypetrophy. Yet research in the elderly showed that ibuprofen apparently increased hypertrophy. Why? It's likely the ibuprofen allowed these oldies to actually exercise, so the net effect ended up being a positive, even if it suppressed muscle growth to a degree.
Almost all athletes use NSAIDs perodically and the net effect is often positive, even if the per se effect of the drug hampers adaptation.
Check it out, a blog post on it, better format for the average reader than just the actual study.
https://suppversity.blogspot.com/2015/07/using-ice-cold-water-immersion-after.html?m=1
This is it right here. And also explains that NSAIDS actually helps with hypertrophy when you're old whereas when you're young it hinders it because it mutes the inflammation process necessary as a result of training. It helps old people just exactly as Van B said. Not because it mutes the inflammation process per se but because it just allows them to train.
It's heat that is best after training. It keeps the blood vessels dilated improving blood circulation and also relaxes the muscle. It also promotes some positive hormonal action which I can't remember the specifics.
Cold will definitely help with joint pain because it reduces inflammation just like when you ice an injury. But inflammation is needed for healing. Your body swells for a reason. Back in the late 90s I use to do prolotherapy which required multiple injections, about six all at once, where they inject a fluid in the tendons all across the joint. This was done to promote inflammation. Tendons don't get the blood supply like muscles do so the idea was to irritate it and cause inflammation to force the body to get circulation into that area. It worked. Can get it done here in Hawaii. It's also done by a real medical doctor.
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It's heat that is best after training. It keeps the blood vessels dilated improving blood circulation and also relaxes the muscle. It also promotes some positive hormonal action which I can't remember the specifics.
I have thought about this before. So after say a brutal leg workout you pop som Viagra or Cialis and some nitric oxide boosters and wear extra small compression tights through the night? :D
https://suppversity.blogspot.com/2017/10/compression-garments-recovery-enhancer.html?m=1
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He blew Weinstein. I have no doubts now.
For his Planet of Apes-movies?
Or for the Dirk Diggler-movie?
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Maybe they can just keep Ramy in the cryo tank until the next olympia. Then they can take him out of the tank and put him on stage. He will have a very cool and dry look.
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Joints feeling better is easy to believe, it suppresses inflammation after all, there's no contradiction with what I said. The research is on muscle adaptation. You want a certain degree of inflammation for the muscle to respond to training. Some have even theorized that increasing inflammation through arachidonic acid supps should increase muscle growth - William Llewellyn, who wrote the Anabolics books, patented this fatty acid for this purpose. NSAIDs also reduce muscle adaptation and hypetrophy. Yet research in the elderly showed that ibuprofen apparently increased hypertrophy. Why? It's likely the ibuprofen allowed these oldies to actually exercise, so the net effect ended up being a positive, even if it suppressed muscle growth to a degree.
Almost all athletes use NSAIDs perodically and the net effect is often positive, even if the per se effect of the drug hampers adaptation.
Check it out, a blog post on it, better format for the average reader than just the actual study.
https://suppversity.blogspot.com/2015/07/using-ice-cold-water-immersion-after.html?m=1
This is interesting but cryo is different than the ice baths used in the testing. I wonder if the results would be the same? I've seen studies that show it's benefits and also it's detriments. Speaking only on my experience with cryo twice a week, I can say that my joints feel better and I recover faster for sure.
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This is interesting but cryo is different than the ice baths used in the testing. I wonder if the results would be the same? I've seen studies that show it's benefits and also it's detriments. Speaking only on my experience with cryo twice a week, I can say that my joints feel better and I recover faster for sure.
I never tried cryo. Do they charge a lot for the cryo sessions?
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I never tried cryo. Do they charge a lot for the cryo sessions?
$25-30 per session for the walk in treatment, not the typical cylinder ones. Walk in rooms are far more efficient in getting the entire exposed body cold. Skin temp is around 9°c when you come out. Whole process in 3 ½ minutes vs the ice treatments at 10-30 minutes.