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Title: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Darren Avey on March 17, 2020, 02:10:04 AM
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEP6QU1p_RBrkAB6woOkWm9YqGQgEKhAIACoHCAow94GACzCdxIsDMKD29gU?hl=en-GB&gl=GB&ceid=GB%3Aen
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: IroNat on March 17, 2020, 04:30:57 AM
The sim is not how the fight would go.  They show a standup fight where Tyson has the advantage,

Lesnar is a great wrestler and would take Tyson down immediately, then pound him, or submit him.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Darren Avey on March 17, 2020, 04:53:58 AM
The sim is not how the fight would go.  They show a standup fight where Tyson has the advantage,

Lesnar is a great wrestler and would take Tyson down immediately, then pound him, or submit him.

And get caught with a hook coming in, the big doofus
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: IroNat on March 17, 2020, 05:16:58 AM
And get caught with a hook coming in, the big doofus

Lesnar was an NCAA Div 1 champion.  He'd take Tyson down in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: robcguns on March 17, 2020, 05:23:35 AM
Tyson would eat lesnar and shit him out very quickly.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Darren Avey on March 17, 2020, 05:31:53 AM
Lesnar was an NCAA Div 1 champion.  He'd take Tyson down in a heartbeat.

Hed get caught
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: USMC 1371 on March 17, 2020, 07:56:07 AM
That’s like saying the best 3 point shooter is the best basketball player. Brock would eat him alive. It’d be over is less than a minute.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: SuperTed on March 17, 2020, 08:19:17 AM
I once beat Muhammad Ali and Lennox Lewis with Butterbean on Fight Night.

Who gives a fuck what happens in a video game simulation? ::)
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Kwon on March 17, 2020, 09:11:25 AM
Neither of them can compete with Darren Avey




IN DAT DERE STREETS!
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: pamith on March 17, 2020, 09:19:12 AM
Anything can happen
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Methyl m1ke on March 17, 2020, 09:53:44 AM
Prime Tyson was a beast. He destroyed the contenders one after another. Lesnar was never capable of standing toe to toe with the best heavyweight boxers in the world and Tyson was in a cpletely different stratosphere. His talent may never be seen again.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: robcguns on March 17, 2020, 11:20:59 AM
That’s like saying the best 3 point shooter is the best basketball player. Brock would eat him alive. It’d be over is less than a minute.

Truly the most absurd thing I’ve heard.Leanar would be so nervous against a prime Tyson his take down would not go how he plans.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: IroNat on March 17, 2020, 11:23:21 AM
Prime Tyson was a beast. He destroyed the contenders one after another. Lesnar was never capable of standing toe to toe with the best heavyweight boxers in the world and Tyson was in a cpletely different stratosphere. His talent may never be seen again.

Why would Lesnar stand toe-to-toe with Tyson?

Lesnar would take him down right away.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Darren Avey on March 17, 2020, 11:29:54 AM
Why would Lesnar stand toe-to-toe with Tyson?

Lesnar would take him down right away.

Hed be terrified about getting hit.
WELCOME TO DA TOP OF DA FOOD CHAIN
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: oldschoolfan on March 17, 2020, 12:06:01 PM
Lena was an NCAA Div 1 champion.  He'd take Tyson down in a heartbeat.

huge Tyson fan here, but Lesnar  would maul him, allot  of idiots on here who  do not understand fighting. the only chance tyson would have would be to catch him at the very beginning of the fight, after that he would be on his back getting his head pounded in, the fight would be over in less than a round
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: robcguns on March 17, 2020, 12:07:01 PM
huge Tyson fan here, but Lena would maul him, allot  of idiots on here who  do not understand fighting

Your crazy like the rest in here.Lesnar fares really good in ufc with his wrestling.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: oldschoolfan on March 17, 2020, 12:12:56 PM
Your crazy like the rest in here.Lesnar fares really good in ufc with his wrestling.

your an idiot with little to no knowledge of fighting.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: robcguns on March 17, 2020, 12:28:06 PM
your an idiot with little to no knowledge of fighting.

I’ll bet I’ve been in more fights than you and that’s by the time I was 25,you know fuck all about what I know.

But you are correct as I have no formal fighting knowledge I am a bar brawler and spent many years doing this a few nights a week and you learn some stuff and that stuff is what an animal is capable of.Lesnar ain’t no animal but Tyson is.

I’ve no isisues with you old school just opinions is all.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Darren Avey on March 17, 2020, 12:42:33 PM
I’ll bet I’ve been in more fights than you and that’s by the time I was 25,you know fuck all about what I know.

Do you not take kindly to disrespect?
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: JAGO on March 17, 2020, 12:43:29 PM
Tyson would eat lesnar and shit him out very quickly.

This.

Has anyone ever seen the video of a press conference where Tyson has a Samual L Jackson hat on ( backwards ) and he’s screaming at a reporter? At that moment in time, I doubt there is any human who has ever walked the face of the earth who could have stood toe to toe with him that night.

It’s ( to say the least ) frightening and would be horrifying to ANYONE it was directed towards.

J
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: robcguns on March 17, 2020, 12:45:38 PM
Do you not take kindly to disrespect?

Hahaha
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Darren Avey on March 17, 2020, 12:55:22 PM
This.

Has anyone ever seen the video of a press conference where Tyson has a Samual L Jackson hat on ( backwards ) and he’s screaming at a reporter? At that moment in time, I doubt there is any human who has ever walked the face of the earth who could have stood toe to toe with him that night.

It’s ( to say the least ) frightening and would be horrifying to ANYONE it was directed towards.

J

I remember watching that live on sky news
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: IroNat on March 17, 2020, 02:30:07 PM
This.

Has anyone ever seen the video of a press conference where Tyson has a Samual L Jackson hat on ( backwards ) and he’s screaming at a reporter? At that moment in time, I doubt there is any human who has ever walked the face of the earth who could have stood toe to toe with him that night.

It’s ( to say the least ) frightening and would be horrifying to ANYONE it was directed towards.

J

"Reporters don't hit back." -- Bruce Lee

(https://media.giphy.com/media/Ht2ktUDWebe36/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Earl1972 on March 17, 2020, 06:48:43 PM
The sim is not how the fight would go.  They show a standup fight where Tyson has the advantage,

Lesnar is a great wrestler and would take Tyson down immediately, then pound him, or submit him.

haha if cain velsquez can make brock cower with his punches, just imagine tyson

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Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: SOMEPARTS on March 17, 2020, 06:54:51 PM
I think this is a great matchup....


















...for TYSON.  ;)
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Hulkotron on March 17, 2020, 07:13:51 PM
Iron Mike by strikes, first round.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: irishdave on March 17, 2020, 09:15:19 PM
I destroy them both
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: thebrink on March 18, 2020, 10:00:10 AM
Truly the most absurd thing I’ve heard.Leanar would be so nervous against a prime Tyson his take down would not go how he plans.

Lesnar would choke up and try a shitty takedown then get clipped by an uppercut.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 18, 2020, 10:05:06 AM
Tyson would have one punch.  If it landed he wins.  If it doesn't and Brock takes him down Brock wins.  I don't know what the odds would be of that one punch landing.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: IroNat on March 18, 2020, 11:58:21 AM
Lesnar's head is as hard as a coconut.

Tyson better have a horseshoe in his glove.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Ssxa on March 18, 2020, 12:05:32 PM
Tyson's prime was before the UFC and he never trained any MMA. Lesnar came later and did MMA training to go along with his wrestling. Big advantage for Lesnar. That said, the comparison should be apples to apples, give Tyson a year of training, specifically some takedown defense, sprawling etc and I think things become really ugly for Lesnar. Tyson doesn't have to hit you clean to wreck your world, especially with tiny 4oz gloves.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: thebrink on March 18, 2020, 12:24:42 PM
Tyson would have one punch.  If it landed he wins.  If it doesn't and Brock takes him down Brock wins.  I don't know what the odds would be of that one punch landing.

Mike would bite Brock's face off in a street fight if he were on the bottom. Lesnar backs out and runs away after that...
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 18, 2020, 01:40:04 PM
Mike would bite Brock's face off in a street fight if he were on the bottom. Lesnar backs out and runs away after that...
Or gets pissed off and chokes Mike to death.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Earl1972 on March 18, 2020, 05:30:38 PM
Lesnar's head is as hard as a coconut.

Tyson better have a horseshoe in his glove.

you kidding me?  he was hurt badly by randy coutour's punches, and randy wasn't known for his striking

brock is the bully that dishes it out and can't take it, he absolutely hates to be hit and lost to almost every striker he fought and looked weak and scared each time

and you think tyson with his power and speed couldn't knock him out?  even joe rogan said prime tyson would've ruled mma easily

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Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Earl1972 on March 18, 2020, 05:33:08 PM
some guy named shane carwin gave brock all he could handle with his punches, and you think tyson couldn't beat him ::)

Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: robcguns on March 18, 2020, 05:35:42 PM
you kidding me?  he was hurt badly by randy coutour's punches, and randy wasn't known for his striking

brock is the bully that dishes it out and can't take it, he absolutely hates to be hit and lost to almost every striker he fought and looked weak and scared each time

and you think tyson with his power and speed couldn't knock him out?  even joe rogan said prime tyson would've ruled mma easily

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Exactly

some guy named shane carwin gave brock all he could handle with his punches, and you think tyson couldn't beat him ::)



Exactly
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Methyl m1ke on March 18, 2020, 06:07:59 PM
Why would Lesnar stand toe-to-toe with Tyson?

Lesnar would take him down right away.

Mike Tyson is like 6ft and we are talking prime Mike Tyson here. He would not just allow lesnar to do whatever he pleases.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: robcguns on March 18, 2020, 06:11:26 PM
Mike Tyson is like 6ft and we are talking prime Mike Tyson here. He would not just allow lesnar to do whatever he pleases.

Yup
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: IroNat on March 19, 2020, 03:37:22 AM
Tyson is 5'10".

And this guy would kick all der azzes:

(https://media.giphy.com/media/yZpLvTA5C3cYw/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: robcguns on March 19, 2020, 04:55:39 AM
Tyson is 5'10".

And this guy would kick all der azzes:

(https://media.giphy.com/media/yZpLvTA5C3cYw/giphy.gif)

Is that Elvis Presley and chuck norris?haha
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Matt on March 19, 2020, 05:15:41 AM
Tyson was amazing, and there have been times when one-trick ponies have done well in the UFC, but they tend to be grapplers/wrestlers.  The closest I can think of to a one-trick pony striker doing quite well in the UFC would be Francis Ngannou, and he was dealt with handily by Stipe Miocic, who you could argue is somewhat of a one-trick pony wrestler with decent striking.

In other words: grappling > striking in MMA.  Generally speaking.

Not to say that Ngannou is a particularly refined striker, but he's obviously a genetically elite striker in terms of gifted punching power.

How would a 5'10.5" Tyson beat UFC heavyweights weighing 240- to 260-lb with a wide arsenal of other tools at their disposal?

Brock Lesnar wasn't just a fake wrestler in the WWE; he had an NCAA collegiate wrestling record of 106-5, and was the NCAA Division I All-American in both 1999 and 2000, as well as being the NCAA Division I heavyweight champion in 2000.

Lesnar also ate something like 63 solid shots to the face and head by Shane Carwin before Carwin punched himself out [and gave himself lactic acidosis as a result].

Lesnar would obviously wait for an opportunity to take Tyson down and even if Tyson threw an uppercut to stuff that take-down, is it really such a sure thing that Lesnar would get KO'd by that uppercut?  Lesnar has a massive head and neck structure.  He can take a punch by just about any human being alive, I would say.  Maybe not EVERY shot by any human - but what are the odds that Tyson throws a knockout punch to stuff a take-down by Lesnar on the first try?

We're also talking about a considerable size discrepancy between these two elite champions.  I do realize that Tyson knocked out many giant Hebrews in his day, but Lesnar would have around a 65-lb weight advantage and a 10" reach advantage.  Tyson would need to considerably close the distance to be within striking range of Lesnar, giving Lesnar an opportunity to take him down in the process.

Before Lesnar entered the UFC, I had no doubt that Tyson would win an MMA or street fight match between the two.  A friend of mine said he felt Lesnar would emerge victorious, and it just didn't make sense to me, given Tyson's professional record.

That was before Lesnar proved himself in the UFC.  And I was also unaware of Lesnar's mind-boggling 106-5 collegiate wrestling background.

And Lesnar competed in the heaviest weight class.  We're not talking the manlet division here.

If striking was such a vital skill to have in MMA, how come we haven't seen many pure strikers reign victorious, compared to wrestlers or Brazilian jiu-jitsu practitioners?

Tyson was amazing - I've literally never seen another boxer with his refined striking, and - even more impressive to me - refined and straight up incredible head movement.  When I watch Deontay Wilder Box, it literally looks about as refined as Joey Fatone in this N'SYNC music video [and I'm not kidding]:



I honestly think Mark Wahlberg AT 19 YEARS OLD demonstrates more refined striking than both Deontay Wilder AND EVEN TYSON FURY in his Good Vibrations video:



The thing is - I'm not even kidding.

It's like what pellius said - Tyson Fury, as amazing as he is on paper, just doesn't look all that technical when he fights.  Deontay Wilder even less so.

All I'm seeing are two big guys throwing hands.

It's like these guys are all height and size/reach.  Genetic freaks who are punching, basically.  I mean...if an 10 foot human who weighed 500-lb was knocking people out cold...that would be impressive...but...well. ..expected too.

Watching the Holyfield vs. Tyson 2 fight is literally like watching a live action work of art.  I'm astounded at the level of technical striking from both fighters in that fight [obviously ignoring Tyson's biting of Holyfield's ears, which was classless on his part, but I now realize that Holyfield's headbutt frustrated him].

^ tl;dr

I just don't quite understand how anyone would be so extremely confident to think a pure boxer with no martial arts training could possibly take on an elite wrestler who outweighs him by at least 65-lb, is considerably stronger [Lesnar benches something like 475-lb, and has a LONG reach of 81"], and is at least somewhat well-rounded in MMA with a blue belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu, among other martial arts training, and was undefeated in the UFC for over two years, and was just 23 days shy of being the UFC heavyweight champion for two years - a record which stood for over four years until Cain Velasquez beat it in 2014.

Lesnar was no joke, and for some reason [I think possibly because of his history with the WWE], some people still look at him as a fake wrestler.

Lesnar was and is the genuine article.

I will say - ok, fine - Lesnar was a one-trick pony.  But when your one trick is being an NCAA Division I heavyweight champion who bench presses 475-lb [who basically has the strength to do well in state powerlifting contests], and has decent Brazilian jiu-jitsu, I think it's safe to say that Lesnar is going to do well against pretty well any pure boxer.

Mike Tyson is amazing - I'm taking nothing away from him.  But even a boxer as amazing as him - and I'll go on record and say that Tyson may well be the best boxer in the history of the sport - I think would have a lot of trouble with Brock Lesnar.

I think Lesnar could take Tyson down, even if it meant eating a massive uppercut or punch to the chest on the way down.  From there, it would depend on whether or not Lesnar could hold Tyson down, but given that Lesnar has held down much larger and heavier men with much more experience escaping from the bottom position after a take-down, I just don't see how Tyson would have an easy time getting the fight standing again.

But hey - I've said it before: I'm an MMA/UFC fan, and not much of a boxing fan.  I only really watch the big fights, if any at all.  In fact, I didn't even watch the recent Tyson Fury/Deontay Wilder bout.

I must say - I am a bit surprised at how many Getbiggers think Tyson would make such quick work out of Lesnar; as if an world class boxer fighting an MMA fighter with world class wrestling would be some easy feat.  I'm just not seeing that.  And I'd be the first to say that Tyson is amazing, if not straight up the best ever.

Oh.  And I also find people act as if retired boxers are comparable to their previous selves - I highly doubt Tyson is even 70% of what he once was.  He may only be 50% of what he once was.

I can train for my lightweight strongman contests and get my bench and deadlift [in the gym] up to close to 350 and 500.  But if I go six months without deadlifting, I find myself struggling to pull 405.  Yeah, it comes back fast - but my point is: if I can lose 20% or more in my sport, why wouldn't the same apply to combat fighters?

My Lesnar vs. Tyson discussion above was with both at their respective primes of course, but  IMO, 2020 Georges St-Pierre chokes 2020 Mike Tyson out within three minutes.

It must be nice to be a retired fighter, completely out of shape, with people still thinking you could be a killer in the ring when there are literally college local level boxers who could beat you, lol.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Matt on March 19, 2020, 05:40:00 AM
^ Still tl;dr

Cole's Notes:

[1] [IMO] Prime Lesnar beats Prime Tyson.  I put him on the "A" side for a reason.

[2] No one asked, but 2020 Georges St. Pierre chokes out 2020 Mike Tyson within three minutes.  Easily.  Tyson seems to be out of shape, and a bit of a lazy girl enjoying his retirement these days, and not training all that much.  Also, I think years of drug use has caught up with him.  St-Pierre is still training hard, and has not abused his body with recreational drugs the way that Tyson has.  I'd bet any money GSP beats Tyson if they had a match in the cage tomorrow.  Oh - and GSP takes Floyd Mayweather in under 60 seconds in an MMA fight.

ITT:

A lot of people who seem to think boxing is an extremely useful skill in MMA.  ???

Also, I did an online search for Mike Tyson, and this came up in the news...

https://www.insider.com/mike-tyson-says-he-does-not-fear-death-2020-3
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/mike-tyson-no-fear-dying-boxing
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/former-world-heavyweight-champion-mike-21717610

^ That's depressing.  :-\  Poor guy.  It doesn't matter how much success a person has had - if that's how they feel, that's just plain depressing.  I feel sorry for Mike.  Sad to see such a great champion be down in the dumps like that.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Darren Avey on March 19, 2020, 06:28:39 AM
What if Tyson trained UFC?
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: friedchickendinner on March 19, 2020, 08:48:12 AM
Nevermind Tyson vs Brock

Go watch the two fights Tyson had against Razor Ruddock, good stuff!  8)

I just re-watched it.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: oldtimer1 on March 19, 2020, 08:49:54 AM
Tyson is a boxer and being a world elite athlete I have no doubt he could have learned the ground game and kicks. Brock's striking ability is low.  If Tyson just became skilled at avoiding take downs like Conor and Chuck Liddell he would would take Lesnar out.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: friedchickendinner on March 19, 2020, 08:54:37 AM
He got knocked out by both Overrem and Cain in the first round and they are no where near the punching power and speed of a prime Tyson.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: IroNat on March 19, 2020, 09:32:47 AM
Look at Elvis.

Dude would have won UFC.

Legit 10th dan.

He's like a cobra striking!

(https://crossfitkells.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/xJGa55P.gif)
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 19, 2020, 10:01:15 AM
Elvis wasn't called The King for nothing.  It's a good thing he died before the UFC or history would be wayyy different.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: friedchickendinner on March 19, 2020, 10:02:55 AM
Power is generated by the hips, and nobody had hips like Elvis.

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FaintWarmIslandcanary-size_restricted.gif)
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: hench on March 19, 2020, 10:20:54 AM
Mr Myagi woulda destroyed them both
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: thebrink on March 19, 2020, 05:29:48 PM
Or gets pissed off and chokes Mike to death.

TRUE
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: che on March 19, 2020, 06:22:33 PM
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: che on March 19, 2020, 06:36:02 PM
Holding the mitts for Tyson , no thanks

Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: obsidian on March 19, 2020, 08:23:02 PM
He got knocked out by both Overrem and Cain in the first round and they are no where near the punching power and speed of a prime Tyson.
Overeem has amazing kicking power. That's where most of the damage came. Brock knew right away he was in trouble when he received a couple of those kicks to the side and was out of the fight from there on out.

Overeem is also a lot bigger than Mike in terms of height and mass when he was fighting at a heavier weight. I don't see how that is relevant in this scenario. Prime Mike vs Prime Brock - I think it could go either way. Mike gets a punch in and Brock is out. Brock gets him on the ground and submits him. If Mike started biting his ear I am sure Brock would choke him the fuck out as revenge.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Kwon on March 20, 2020, 04:57:54 AM
Would love to see Brock Tyson VS Mike Linsner!
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Earl1972 on March 20, 2020, 12:52:29 PM
Overeem has amazing kicking power. That's where most of the damage came. Brock knew right away he was in trouble when he received a couple of those kicks to the side and was out of the fight from there on out.

Overeem is also a lot bigger than Mike in terms of height and mass when he was fighting at a heavier weight. I don't see how that is relevant in this scenario. Prime Mike vs Prime Brock - I think it could go either way. Mike gets a punch in and Brock is out. Brock gets him on the ground and submits him. If Mike started biting his ear I am sure Brock would choke him the fuck out as revenge.

so what do you think of shane carwin and randy coutour with his weak punches doing major damage to brock?

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Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Fortress on March 20, 2020, 04:58:38 PM
Prime Mr. T would destroy both chumps.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: IroNat on March 20, 2020, 04:59:50 PM
Prime Mr. T would destroy both chumps.

Elvis would knock Mr.T out!

(https://crossfitkells.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/xJGa55P.gif)
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Desolate on March 20, 2020, 05:06:10 PM
Mr Myagi woulda destroyed them both

(https://i.postimg.cc/CLVQ5HfT/Mr-Miyagi.jpg)
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Fortress on March 20, 2020, 05:11:31 PM
Elvis would knock Mr.T out!

(https://crossfitkells.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/xJGa55P.gif)

Dalton OWNS the lethal throat-rip technique. He would put an end to Elvis’ singing career. Permanently. Look at what he did to Brad Wesley’s top-dog henchman Jimmy. Sent that prison tough down the river.

Literally.

:o
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Kwon on March 20, 2020, 06:24:31 PM
Brock Tyson is a great name btw


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Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: JustPlaneJane on March 20, 2020, 06:36:12 PM
so what do you think of shane carwin and randy coutour with his weak punches doing major damage to brock?

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Tyson trained to fight at full speed for 45 minutes.

Lesnar tended to gas after 3 minutes in round 1.

With 4 ounce gloves, this is not a good matchup for Lesnar.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: irishdave on March 20, 2020, 06:41:44 PM
Tyson trained to fight at full speed for 45 minutes.

Lesnar tended to gas after 3 minutes in round 1.

With 4 ounce gloves, this is not a good matchup for Lesnar.

Lesnar has better cardio than that hah

And boxing cardio is not the same as MMA cardio - grappling for a few mins or if he ends up on his back then we’ll see how good mikes cardio is


He also has to worry about the takedown which messes a boxer up
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: oldtimer1 on March 20, 2020, 07:18:05 PM
Lesnar has better cardio than that hah

And boxing cardio is not the same as MMA cardio - grappling for a few mins or if he ends up on his back then we’ll see how good mikes cardio is


He also has to worry about the takedown which messes a boxer up

No one has greater cardio in the fight world than a boxer. Lesnar's cardio isn't that great.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 21, 2020, 03:02:57 AM
No one has greater cardio in the fight world than a boxer. Lesnar's cardio isn't that great.
Wrestlers have better cardio.  A boxer can relax at points throughout the round plus a boxer is supposed to be relaxed most of the time anyway.  A wrestler is always physically engaged with his opponent and can't relax for a second.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Fortress on March 21, 2020, 04:31:59 AM
Harry Callahan commits both to dirt naps with a few wallops from his .44 Magnum.

They’d make his day.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 21, 2020, 04:33:40 AM
Harry Callahan commits both to dirt naps with a few wallops from his .44 Magnum.
While asking both of them "Do you feel lucky?"
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Darren Avey on March 21, 2020, 05:21:34 AM
Personally I think Alexander Karelin crushes both and all. Apart from maybe Meng
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: che on March 21, 2020, 07:56:02 AM
Wrestlers have better cardio.  A boxer can relax at points throughout the round plus a boxer is supposed to be relaxed most of the time anyway.  A wrestler is always physically engaged with his opponent and can't relax for a second.
No one has greater cardio in the fight world than a boxer. Lesnar's cardio isn't that great.

C'mon guys totally different sports
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 21, 2020, 11:55:18 AM
C'mon guys totally different sports
But those sports would be colliding if they fought.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: thebrink on March 21, 2020, 12:00:23 PM
Personally I think Alexander Karelin crushes both and all. Apart from maybe Meng


Meng was a scary guy. Absolutely massive athletic and crazy.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Kwon on March 21, 2020, 12:31:44 PM
Mike Brock
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Tyson Linsenmeier
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Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Matt on March 21, 2020, 12:45:39 PM
What if Tyson trained UFC?

Give him 18-24 months to get to a good level of take-down defense, and given his strong legs, and overall genetic brute strength and speed, I think Tyson could do well.

Without adequate take-down defense, I'm just not seeing it though.

Hard to say though.  If he just opened up with a flurry of punches against Lesnar, and Lesnar couldn't secure a take-down quickly, things could turn against him, and in Tyson's favour.

Both are incredible in their chosen combat sports - I just tend to be of the mind that if boxers don't have good take-down defense, that they won't do well in MMA.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: che on March 21, 2020, 04:05:53 PM
End of the thread


Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: che on March 21, 2020, 04:14:42 PM
But those sports would be colliding if they fought.
Different kind of condition , many  wrestlers (transitioning to MMA) used to come to our gym to learn some boxing , most of them  were completely gassed by the end of the first round.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: kevcat on March 21, 2020, 05:02:52 PM
Why would Lesnar stand toe-to-toe with Tyson?

Lesnar would take him down right away.

You mean the same Lesnar who stood with Overeem, cos he couldn't take him down?

Overeems a more dangerous striker than Mike Tyson, considering he has more tools, and Brock done nothing .

Youre clueless.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: kevcat on March 21, 2020, 05:03:55 PM
Lesnar was an NCAA Div 1 champion.  He'd take Tyson down in a heartbeat.

He couldn't take Overeem down, who is deadly on the feet.

Just because you have wrestling credentials , doesn't mean its easy to take guys down who can KO you with one wrong move.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Kwon on March 21, 2020, 07:41:41 PM
Brock could easily take down Tyson


Tyson is smaller than Overeem and without Overeems training.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Matt on March 22, 2020, 01:12:45 AM
Brock could easily take down Tyson


Tyson is smaller than Overeem and without Overeems training.

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I'm not sure how that isn't obvious to more people on here.

With some serious time in a wrestling training camp, focusing primarily on take-down defense, Mike could possibly keep a fight standing for a few minutes with Brock.  I have no idea how he'd be able to do that without such training experience though.

In my mind, the only question is: does Brock have the jaw/chin to take a few strikes from Tyson before inevitably taking Tyson down and controlling him / ground and pounding him before the referee stops the fight?

I would say yes.

Brock proved his ability to take a punch in the Shane Carwin fight where he ate something like 63 punches to the head/face from Carwin in the first round, causing Carwin to get lactic acidosis, and making Lesnar the first fighter to take Carwin into the second round.

I also think the Overeem fight proved that Lesnar had an incredible chin on him.  Overeem fed him some massive shots, and he did not knock Lesnar out.  In fact, no one in the UFC knocked Lesnar out, and he did fight the very best - these fights make me feel that Lesnar could absorb a few punches from Tyson, until he takes him down and controls him.

There is always the possibility that Tyson is fast enough to hit Lesnar with a flurry of strikes so fast that he can't tell up from down, and ends up knocking him out very quickly.

These are basically two elite super-athletes.

I would almost always go with an MMA fighter over a boxer, especially an elite heavyweight UFC fighter.  But Tyson is no regular boxer.

I imagine there are a few simulations of a Lesnar vs. Tyson fight from video games uploaded to YouTube, lol.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: irishdave on March 22, 2020, 10:23:10 AM
No one has greater cardio in the fight world than a boxer. Lesnar's cardio isn't that great.

No shit I meant he has more than 1 round in the tank you old bollix
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Methyl m1ke on March 24, 2020, 01:46:59 AM
For those who doubt Tysons skill watch this video and note his speed and agility to go along with his power. Lesnar would have no chance.

Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 24, 2020, 05:07:26 AM
For those who doubt Tysons skill watch this video and note his speed and agility to go along with his power. Lesnar would have no chance.


Those are boxing ring skills. Tyson couldn't even beat another boxer with a good reach and jab like Douglas.  He wouldn't last 10 seconds after being taken down by a wrestler like Lesnar.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: MoralMan on March 24, 2020, 11:41:18 AM
And as hes taking him down he gets his nose bitten off.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Kwon on March 24, 2020, 11:59:07 AM
And as hes taking him down he gets his nose bitten off.

+ both ears
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Methyl m1ke on March 24, 2020, 06:20:21 PM
Those are boxing ring skills. Tyson couldn't even beat another boxer with a good reach and jab like Douglas.  He wouldn't last 10 seconds after being taken down by a wrestler like Lesnar.

We were comparing prime tyson to lesnar. Tyson was old when he lost to douglas. You are late to the party dude.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: oldschoolfan on March 24, 2020, 06:58:52 PM
Those are boxing ring skills. Tyson couldn't even beat another boxer with a good reach and jab like Douglas.  He wouldn't last 10 seconds after being taken down by a wrestler like Lesnar.


Great post a lot of posters on here that do not understand fighting
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Earl1972 on March 24, 2020, 07:20:03 PM
Those are boxing ring skills. Tyson couldn't even beat another boxer with a good reach and jab like Douglas.  He wouldn't last 10 seconds after being taken down by a wrestler like Lesnar.

so how does brock handle tyson's punches if he was close to being beaten by shane carwin's punches

i'd rather take 10 carwin punches than 1 tyson punch

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Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: oldschoolfan on March 24, 2020, 07:51:43 PM
We were comparing prime tyson to lesnar. Tyson was old when he lost to douglas. You are late to the party dude.

Mike Tyson was a whopping 23 years old when he lost to Douglas 😀
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: AbrahamG on March 24, 2020, 07:56:56 PM
Mike Tyson was a whopping 23 years old when he lost to Douglas 😀

The UFC heavyweight champs prior to JDS and Cain were pretty limited athletically.  I'm not saying I'd pick Tyson but a 23 year old Tyson with a 3 month camp to learn some take down defense and refined grappling skills could have competed with some of the early UFC champs.  Mike, after all is a once in a generation athlete.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: oldschoolfan on March 24, 2020, 09:31:46 PM
The UFC heavyweight champs prior to JDS and Cain were pretty limited athletically.  I'm not saying I'd pick Tyson but a 23 year old Tyson with a 3 month camp to learn some take down defense and refined grappling skills could have competed with some of the early UFC champs.  Mike, after all is a once in a generation athlete.


Totally agree but a mike Tyson with no wrestling or submission training would get murdered against a well trained wrestler
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: AbrahamG on March 24, 2020, 09:46:31 PM


Totally agree but a mike Tyson with no wrestling or submission training would get murdered against a well trained wrestler

Certainly.  But he'd have the proverbial "punchers chance".

Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 25, 2020, 03:41:01 AM
We were comparing prime tyson to lesnar. Tyson was old when he lost to douglas. You are late to the party dude.
Old?  Tyson was 23 years old when he lost to Douglas.  He was great from 18-23. ::)  Flash in the pan.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 25, 2020, 03:43:03 AM
so how does brock handle tyson's punches if he was close to being beaten by shane carwin's punches

i'd rather take 10 carwin punches than 1 tyson punch

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Like I said before, Tyson would have a 1 punch chance.  If it landed Lesnar goes for a nap.  If it doesn't land he gets chocked out.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Matt on March 25, 2020, 04:37:58 AM
The UFC heavyweight champs prior to JDS and Cain were pretty limited athletically.  I'm not saying I'd pick Tyson but a 23 year old Tyson with a 3 month camp to learn some take down defense and refined grappling skills could have competed with some of the early UFC champs.  Mike, after all is a once in a generation athlete.

Yes!  With the hypothetical fight training camp thrown in there.  I'd probably say nine months to casually learn about MMA starting in the new year, then the three month camp you outlined above, then a fight after a full year of learning MMA with three months of that year being a very specific/intense camp.

That's a UFC fight I'd pay to see [with only a time machine and a bunch of other requirements in order to do so].
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: thebrink on March 25, 2020, 06:15:35 AM
The UFC heavyweight champs prior to JDS and Cain were pretty limited athletically.  I'm not saying I'd pick Tyson but a 23 year old Tyson with a 3 month camp to learn some take down defense and refined grappling skills could have competed with some of the early UFC champs.  Mike, after all is a once in a generation athlete.

which boxer did Tim Silvia get handled by?
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: AbrahamG on March 25, 2020, 03:48:31 PM
which boxer did Tim Silvia get handled by?

I couldn't bring myself to watch the UFC until about the time Jon Jones came around say about 2010-1011.  The early days was glorified white trash tough man contests.  So I couldn't answer your question about Tim Silva.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Darren Avey on March 25, 2020, 04:18:33 PM
which boxer did Tim Silvia get handled by?

Ray Mercer
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Kwon on March 25, 2020, 04:24:00 PM
Only a FOOL would stand toe to toe with a Prime_Tyson!








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Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Earl1972 on March 25, 2020, 04:41:59 PM
Like I said before, Tyson would have a 1 punch chance.  If it landed Lesnar goes for a nap.  If it doesn't land he gets chocked out.

why would you bet on it not landing if randy coutour and shane carwin landed numerous punches?

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Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Earl1972 on March 25, 2020, 04:42:45 PM
why do i get the feeling a lot of you guys thought ronda rousey would take floyd mayweather in a fight :-\

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Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: thebrink on March 25, 2020, 04:46:45 PM
why do i get the feeling a lot of you guys thought ronda rousey would take floyd mayweather in a fight :-\

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Alot of casuals were sold on that ridiculous notion believe it or not.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: USMC 1371 on March 25, 2020, 07:01:26 PM
No way Tyson survives an F5.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: USMC 1371 on March 25, 2020, 07:06:29 PM
Different kind of condition , many  wrestlers (transitioning to MMA) used to come to our gym to learn some boxing , most of them  were completely gassed by the end of the first round.
It means nothing. Take an Olympic swimmer and make him wrestle and he’d be gassed. Take a wrestler and make him swim a few laps as fast as he can and he’d be gassed.  Take a NBA basketball player and make him ride a bike for ten miles and he’d be gassed. Take lance Armstrong and make play basketball and he’d be gassed.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Kwon on March 25, 2020, 07:12:43 PM
Take a Wrestler, Lance Armstrong or an Olympic Swimmer, Boxer or NBA basketballplayer to Getbig and he might be able to post some replies to a few threads and then be owned and meltdown/gassed.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Kwon on March 25, 2020, 09:21:33 PM
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Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: JustPlaneJane on March 25, 2020, 09:24:44 PM
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/3b188c91307770e1373a62668582b670/tumblr_nj22yytbDu1rh844qo1_400.gifv)

Maybe shooting in for the single leg takedown isn’t such a good idea after all ?

Now imagine that punch with 4 ounce gloves.
Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Pray_4_War on March 25, 2020, 09:25:21 PM
Lesnar has a big veiny cock tattooed on his chest so he automatically loses.

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Title: Re: Mike Tyson v Brock Lesnar
Post by: Fortress on March 25, 2020, 09:30:27 PM
How about a prime John Rambo? With Vietnam flashbacks?