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Hopefully, the gyms will reopen!
https://nypost.com/2020/04/16/trump-unveils-opening-up-america-plan-aims-for-may-1/
Under Phase One protocols, large venues like restaurants, movie theaters, sporting venues and places of worship will be allowed to reopen if they "operate under strict physical distancing protocols," according to the guidelines.
Gyms will be also be permitted to reopen "if they adhere to strict physical distancing and sanitation protocols," the plan says. Bars, however, "should remain closed."
In addition, elective surgeries will be allowed to resume "as clinically appropriate, on an outpatient basis" at certain facilities. Schools and youth activities like daycare and camp that are currently should remain closed, and visits to senior living facilities and hospitals should remain prohibited. "Those who do interact with residents and patients must adhere to strict protocols regarding hygiene," the plan says.
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Awesome gyms in the first list! Sadly where I live(NYC) will be one of the later cities to open. :'(
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So if the governors of each state block this, what happens, Civil War 2.0? I mean, gyms are already home to the iron warrior, do they really want to piss us off? ???
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So if the governors of each state block this, what happens, Civil War 2.0? I mean, gyms are already home to the iron warrior, do they really want to piss us off? ???
Good question. If all the "iron warriors" formed a coalition, do you think there are enough folks to be a threat?
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The ghost of Joe Weider must have gotten to Trump.
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HAHAHAHAHA May 1st? It ain't happening.
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Lol, not even past the peak and opening up. Going to be a train wreck.
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HAHAHAHAHA May 1st? It ain't happening.
Agreed
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This will be devastating. Too soon to open.
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This is the type of retardism we are dealing with. Experts say no, but by July or August is the bare minimum, but they expect it not until 2021.
Yet retards rush out and celebrate a May 1st opening, which does nothing but spread an active virus even further because most did not even quarantine themselves properly.
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This is the type of retardism we are dealing with. Experts say no, but by July or August is the bare minimum, but they expect it not until 2021.
Yet retards rush out and celebrate a May 1st opening, which does nothing but spread an active virus even further because most did not even quarantine themselves properly.
In Jersey it will be devestating July or aug on summer shore rentals,boardwalk,beach totally devastating.i get shore house with family every year.
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This is the type of retardism we are dealing with. Experts say no, but by July or August is the bare minimum, but they expect it not until 2021.
Yet retards rush out and celebrate a May 1st opening, which does nothing but spread an active virus even further because most did not even quarantine themselves properly.
I’m good with that as long as the banks say they’ll suspend all payments and don’t take my house. Otherwise, people need to get back to work and make money.
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In Jersey it will be devestating July or aug on summer shore rentals,boardwalk,beach totally devastating.i get shore house with family every year.
Better that you have to wait til 2021 to rent a shore house than to have to bury loved ones in 2020.
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Hopefully, the gyms will reopen!
https://nypost.com/2020/04/16/trump-unveils-opening-up-america-plan-aims-for-may-1/
Under Phase One protocols, large venues like restaurants, movie theaters, sporting venues and places of worship will be allowed to reopen if they "operate under strict physical distancing protocols," according to the guidelines.
Gyms will be also be permitted to reopen "if they adhere to strict physical distancing and sanitation protocols," the plan says. Bars, however, "should remain closed."
In addition, elective surgeries will be allowed to resume "as clinically appropriate, on an outpatient basis" at certain facilities. Schools and youth activities like daycare and camp that are currently should remain closed, and visits to senior living facilities and hospitals should remain prohibited. "Those who do interact with residents and patients must adhere to strict protocols regarding hygiene," the plan says.
Would like to think Newsom would open by May 1 but then he moved to May 15 and now he's not sure, so...
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Waiting for Leftist heads to explode over Opening Up America Again.
Who will be the first to snark
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Would like to think Newsom would open by May 1 but then he moved to May 15 and now he's not sure, so...
Sadly I don't see it for Socal for a while. Might need to look into a monthly gym membership in Yuma Az
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HAHAHAHAHA May 1st? It ain't happening.
Some states have already met the criteria so technically they can start rolling out as soon as tomorrow. Those would be the states that were least infected and little deaths (ex: Montana, the Dakota's, etc) I think it was one of the Dakota's that never closed their economies and pretty much business as usual.
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Bottomline, if you didn't see the briefing then don't comment on it.
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This is horseshit. The data is in. Deaths are nowhere near the catastrophic levels we were promised. According to early March, there should be several million dead by now. Open up and let it run. We'll lose a couple hundred thou who were at death's door in the first place. It ain't that serious.
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This is horseshit. The data is in. Deaths are nowhere near the catastrophic levels we were promised. According to early March, there should be several million dead by now. Open up and let it run. We'll lose a couple hundred thou who were at death's door in the first place. It ain't that serious.
I can see what most people are thinking. However, what if you and people you know are in the vulnerable category re the virus? Who wants to risk dying because restrictions were eased too soon?
Like most things, it is totally different if you are involved or suffer or are in danger.
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Sadly I don't see it for Socal for a while. Might need to look into a monthly gym membership in Yuma Az
I agree. I'm kind of expecting Arizona to open up before California, that said I may spend a few weeks there to train.
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https://www.whitehouse.gov/openingamerica/
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I can see what most people are thinking. However, what if you and people you know are in the vulnerable category re the virus? Who wants to risk dying because restrictions were eased too soon?
Like most things, it is totally different if you are involved or suffer or are in danger.
STAY HOME THEN.
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STAY HOME THEN.
This. Nobody's forcing you to go out.
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Most countries are locking down for at least a few more weeks. No senator will be on board with this. Or yet.
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Most countries are locking down for at least a few more weeks. No senator will be on board with this. Or yet.
What country are you in?
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STAY HOME THEN.
Exactly what I am doing. Go out to buy food. That is it. No photography which is a bummer.
The restrictions in Australia are ridiculous. Politicians involve the police which is pathetic. It is like being in house arrest.
They closed many of the beaches and even coastal walks. I mean, wtf is that? Way too much control. I get why they
are doing this but it is far too extreme. People have Easter or school holidays and can't go anywhere. This is crazy.
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What country are you in?
Not the US. Why, I cannot have an opinion?
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Exactly what I am doing. Go out to buy food. That is it. No photography which is a bummer.
The restrictions in Australia are ridiculous. Politicians involve the police which is pathetic. It is like being in house arrest.
They closed many of the beaches and even coastal walks. I mean, wtf is that? Way too much control. I get why they
are doing this but it is far too extreme. People have Easter or school holidays and can't go anywhere. This is crazy.
Jump on bike (or E-Bike) & no worries 8)
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I like how all the slackers living at home or living on a government check want the country to remain closed. The people with real jobs have to get back to work. So many people who work for a living are running out of savings for food and paying their bills. If the country is closed too long their job might not be there when they get their state opens. Democrats are motivated to keep the country closed to destroy the economy so they can regain power.
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I can see what most people are thinking. However, what if you and people you know are in the vulnerable category re the virus? Who wants to risk dying because restrictions were eased too soon?
Like most things, it is totally different if you are involved or suffer or are in danger.
Precautions should be in proportion to the threat. The threat is not as severe as predicted.
As you just stated, precautions in Aus are completely overblown. I went to a police station yesterday to clarify what exactly I require to get through the police checkpoint each day and was told there are no clear rules and am basically at the whim of whoever I'm dealing with.
The GDP shrink will ripple fot years. Unemployment in the US is 1/7. Kids who haven't even started working yet could be paying for these Emergency Stimulus measures for the rest of their lives. Wrecking everyone's life to protect a handful of endangered people is foolish and does more harm than good overall. This for something which, at its peak, is doing in basically the same number as heart disease or cancer. It's nonsense.
Yes, we didn't know that before so I'm fine with how we played it safe. I played it safe too. But the information we have now doesn't justify destroying the economy and canceling individual rights.
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Precautions should be in proportion to the threat. The threat is not as severe as predicted.
As you just stated, precautions in Aus are completely overblown. I went to a police station yesterday to clarify what exactly I require to get through the police checkpoint each day and was told there are no clear rules and am basically at the whim of whoever I'm dealing with.
The GDP shrink will ripple fot years. Unemployment in the US is 1/7. Kids who haven't even started working yet could be paying for these Emergency Stimulus measures for the rest of their lives. Wrecking everyone's life to protect a handful of endangered people is foolish and does more harm than good overall. This for something which, at its peak, is doing in basically the same number as heart disease or cancer. It's nonsense.
Yes, we didn't know that before so I'm fine with how we played it safe. I played it safe too. But the information we have now doesn't justify destroying the economy and canceling individual rights.
Interesting that we hear very little about flue deaths worldwide.
Until recently, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimated the annual mortality burden of influenza to be 250 000 to 500 000 all-cause deaths globally; however, a 2017 study indicated a substantially higher mortality burden, at 290 000-650 000 influenza-associated deaths from respiratory causes alone, and a 2019 study estimated 99 000-200 000 deaths from lower respiratory tract infections directly caused by influenza. Here we revisit global and regional estimates of influenza mortality burden and explore mortality trends over time and geography.
Some light reading.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6815659/
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When May 15 comes and it isn't open... what's the excuse going to be?
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Not the US. Why, I cannot have an opinion?
I didn’t mean anything by that, I was just asking.
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When May 15 comes and it isn't open... what's the excuse going to be?
Ask your Governor. With Ours I don’t expect it to be open until about 2025.
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Exactly what I am doing. Go out to buy food. That is it. No photography which is a bummer.
The restrictions in Australia are ridiculous. Politicians involve the police which is pathetic. It is like being in house arrest.
They closed many of the beaches and even coastal walks. I mean, wtf is that? Way too much control. I get why they
are doing this but it is far too extreme. People have Easter or school holidays and can't go anywhere. This is crazy.
Vince you cant have it both ways.
In one post you're talking about its wise to keep everything shut down for theose who are vulnerable and here you're saying its to much.
What are you saying?
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This is horseshit. The data is in. Deaths are nowhere near the catastrophic levels we were promised. According to early March, there should be several million dead by now. Open up and let it run. We'll lose a couple hundred thou who were at death's door in the first place. It ain't that serious.
Tapeworm for President !
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I like how all the slackers living at home or living on a government check want the country to remain closed. The people with real jobs have to get back to work. So many people who work for a living are running out of savings for food and paying their bills. If the country is closed too long their job might not be there when they get their state opens. Democrats are motivated to keep the country closed to destroy the economy so they can regain power.
i'd prefer may 10-15th limited re-openings with masks and gloves, except for hard hit states like NY, LA, FL, etc, and WASH YOUR ASS WHEN YOU GET HOME AND PUT EVERYTHING IN A PLASTIC BAG BEFORE YOU TOUCH ANYTHING. Gyms are fine. Healthy bodies are resistant bodies, just have a limited number of members per sq footage and get the front desk people of their asses and cleaning between group arrivals every hr. BTW, i work at ground ZERO.
The next wave will be asymptomatic infections so controlling the epidemic will also rely on isolating patients, tracing and quarantining contacts as early as possible, educating the public on both food and personal hygiene (CLEAN YOUR ASS).
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Get Covid, go to the Hospital, die of staph..
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2019/p0305-deadly-staph-infections.html
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I didn’t mean anything by that, I was just asking.
Western Canada
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I like how all the slackers living at home or living on a government check want the country to remain closed. The people with real jobs have to get back to work. So many people who work for a living are running out of savings for food and paying their bills. If the country is closed too long their job might not be there when they get their state opens. Democrats are motivated to keep the country closed to destroy the economy so they can regain power.
I bet the politicians would be singing a different tune if their paychecks stopped coming in. Paychecks financed by people who are no longer being paid as they are forced by the very people they have to support to be unemployed.
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I bet the politicians would be singing a different tune if their paychecks stopped coming in. Paychecks financed by people who are no longer being paid as they are forced by the very people they have to support to be unemployed.
The media in the same boat. They have to be thrilled to have a captive audience.
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So if the governors of each state block this, what happens, Civil War 2.0? I mean, gyms are already home to the iron warrior, do they really want to piss us off? ???
Here's what I understand from watching the briefings. These are guidelines. The Governors are not obligated to follow them. There isn't any "blocking" to do. However many of the Governors have indicated they will adhere to much of it or have similar phases planned.
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Would like to think Newsom would open by May 1 but then he moved to May 15 and now he's not sure, so...
No fuck that I am not waiting another MONTH for NOTHING.
We need to act, now. Are there any rallies or anything how does one find out about that sort of thing?
Fuck me newsome is a fucking moron if he waits one single day longer to get the state back to normal. What the hell is he thinking?
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I bet the politicians would be singing a different tune if their paychecks stopped coming in. Paychecks financed by people who are no longer being paid as they are forced by the very people they have to support to be unemployed.
Exactly they are the ones who shut down the economy so they should be cut off! Over 22m unemployed in the US and that's going to continue to rise.
Tip of the iceberg to the damage done.
No fuck that I am not waiting another MONTH for NOTHING.
We need to act, now. Are there any rallies or anything how does one find out about that sort of thing?
Fuck me newsome is a fucking moron if he waits one single day longer to get the state back to normal. What the hell is he thinking?
I have a feeling this is going to boil over at some point because most people I know have had enough of their liberties being stripped by these overpaid hypocrites.
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Exactly what I am doing. Go out to buy food. That is it. No photography which is a bummer.
The restrictions in Australia are ridiculous. Politicians involve the police which is pathetic. It is like being in house arrest.
They closed many of the beaches and even coastal walks. I mean, wtf is that? Way too much control. I get why they
are doing this but it is far too extreme. People have Easter or school holidays and can't go anywhere. This is crazy.
Vince I bought some fish and chips today and since I couldn’t eat them at the cafe I sat in my car looking at the ocean. I looked in my car window and a police car was watching me.
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Exactly they are the ones who shut down the economy so they should be cut off! Over 22m unemployed in the US and that's going to continue to rise.
Tip of the iceberg to the damage done.
I have a feeling this is going to boil over at some point because most people I know have had enough of their liberties being stripped by these overpaid hypocrites.
Without except, everyone that calls for extending the shutdown, one pundit on TV said it should be about 18 months, are being provided for in one form or another and not affect by lost of income. But wait until there are shortages of food and other necessities since business simply cannot remain operating when no one can purchase their products. Twelve to eighteen months! Can you believe that? This is coming from "research scientist", presumable highly educated and far above average intelligence.
Of course, research scientists have outside funding. I wonder what their predictions will be once government and university support starts to dry up. Even a high school kid knows that if you shut down the economy for that long everything goes to hell. And I don't mean just depression poverty soup line bullshit. I'm talking anarchy, looting, stealing, killing -- survival of the fittest.
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Even when business reopen, I fear they will still struggle, as most people will continue to be scared to go in large public gathering. This is going to impact small businesses for a while.
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Even when business reopen, I fear they will still struggle, as most people will continue to be scared to go in large public gathering. This is going to impact small businesses for a while.
Small businesses are already impacted as they didn't get any of the 350B funding set aside for them.
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Small businesses are already impacted as they didn't get any of the 350B funding set aside for them.
Why not?
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Tapeworm for President !
Hold that vote, citizen. This candidate was the one in the mask at the grocery store a few weeks ago. In my defence, they told me that millions were doomed. Hospitals unable to cope, they said. Worse than Spanish Flu, they said.
By now there's no reason to compound that fuckup by continuing to bankrupt people now that the error is clear. Driving the working class into destitution ain't so bright. Losing everything you've worked is liable to sour your mood. What happens when you can't afford food for your family because of someone's newly invented rules? They're playing with fire.
I thought we'd see a black riot as civil unrest rose. Wrong again. It's gonna be a white riot.
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Why not?
Because it was swallowed up by big businesses. They said it was for companies with employees up to 500. However, if you got 500 employees, you are not a small business imo.
Even the few that did get something, it isn't enough to make a dent. The amount you receive is automatically determined to be 2.5 the monthly amount of your employee salaries. For the food service industry, that amount is going to be low, because the salaries are low. About $5 due to the tip based nature. However, they do NOT factor in tip amounts. It is strictly by what you show them on your PayChex or other third party pay roll system that you are paying.
A small company like a gelato shop or neighborhood pizza place is going to get raped. Example : because their payroll is basically about $1000 a month for the few employees they have. The 2.5 formula is going to determine the amount to be $10,000 that they qualify for (they only account for 10 weeks). So that business will get 10K, and you are required to spend 75% of that directly paying employees. That only leaves $2500 for them to pay for their rent, utilities, insurance, inventory that had to be replaced, etc.. during the shut down. The tiny little store shops in this area goes for about $8000 per month for something about the size of a closet.
The kicker is that you only qualify if it is YOU paying your employees. They can't be on unemployment. If they are, they have to come off. Now tell me this.... what kind of food service employee sitting at home with (FL amount) $275 per week PLUS an additional $600 per week for a total of $875 per week is going to get off that, just to receive the $150 a week that their employer paycheck is worth? Remember, tips don't count. Just what is averaged from on your check stub from the last three months.
$875 > $150. Which one do you think people will pick?
The PPP program is beneficial if you have employees making $1000 a week or more. That way you can pay them what their current rate of salary is, without them having to go on unemployment and end up suffering with the lower $275 a week.
The only way small businesses are going to be able to survive in most cases is if they get a SBA approved loan and then pray that loan forgiveness becomes available on down the road. But as it stands now, they are not going to survive on the way the PPP is set up now.
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Because it was swallowed up by big businesses. They said it was for companies with employees up to 500. However, if you got 500 employees, you are not a small business imo.
Even the few that did get something, it isn't enough to make a dent. The amount you receive is automatically determined to be 2.5 the monthly amount of your employee salaries. For the food service industry, that amount is going to be low, because the salaries are low. About $5 due to the tip based nature. However, they do NOT factor in tip amounts. It is strictly by what you show them on your PayChex or other third party pay roll system that you are paying.
A small company like a gelato shop or neighborhood pizza place is going to get raped. Example : because their payroll is basically about $1000 a month for the few employees they have. The 2.5 formula is going to determine the amount to be $10,000 that they qualify for (they only account for 10 weeks). So that business will get 10K, and you are required to spend 75% of that directly paying employees. That only leaves $2500 for them to pay for their rent, utilities, insurance, inventory that had to be replaced, etc.. during the shut down. The tiny little store shops in this area goes for about $8000 per month for something about the size of a closet.
The kicker is that you only qualify if it is YOU paying your employees. They can't be on unemployment. If they are, they have to come off. Now tell me this.... what kind of food service employee sitting at home with (FL amount) $275 per week PLUS an additional $600 per week for a total of $875 per week is going to get off that, just to receive the $150 a week that their employer paycheck is worth? Remember, tips don't count. Just what is averaged from on your check stub from the last three months.
$875 > $150. Which one do you think people will pick?
The PPP program is beneficial if you have employees making $1000 a week or more. That way you can pay them what their current rate of salary is, without them having to go on unemployment and end up suffering with the lower $275 a week.
The only way small businesses are going to be able to survive in most cases is if they get a SBA approved loan and then pray that loan forgiveness becomes available on down the road. But as it stands now, they are not going to survive on the way the PPP is set up now.
I believe the 500 employee ceiling was a bit much. It should’ve been 50-100 or something but I guess they had their way of doing the metrics and it worked out better in the long run to help save up to 500 employees.
The food service industry is being propped up somewhat by the curbside and to go orders. The wait staff not so much but some of our local restaraunts are contributing 20% of sales to their wait staff to help them through.
When I talked to my bank (I was approved for my PPP loan) he told me that he was mostly worried about the hospitality clients. I’m in a “resort area” with hotels. Anyway, they’re all taking these loans, they have no employees because they’re all closed, but they’re going to take the money because they have no choice. In the long run they’ll be saddled with a loan they may not be able to repay. I’m not sure they have a choice, or that any of us do for that matter. We have to take it because we have no choice.
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Because it was swallowed up by big businesses. They said it was for companies with employees up to 500. However, if you got 500 employees, you are not a small business imo.
Even the few that did get something, it isn't enough to make a dent. The amount you receive is automatically determined to be 2.5 the monthly amount of your employee salaries. For the food service industry, that amount is going to be low, because the salaries are low. About $5 due to the tip based nature. However, they do NOT factor in tip amounts. It is strictly by what you show them on your PayChex or other third party pay roll system that you are paying.
A small company like a gelato shop or neighborhood pizza place is going to get raped. Example : because their payroll is basically about $1000 a month for the few employees they have. The 2.5 formula is going to determine the amount to be $10,000 that they qualify for (they only account for 10 weeks). So that business will get 10K, and you are required to spend 75% of that directly paying employees. That only leaves $2500 for them to pay for their rent, utilities, insurance, inventory that had to be replaced, etc.. during the shut down. The tiny little store shops in this area goes for about $8000 per month for something about the size of a closet.
The kicker is that you only qualify if it is YOU paying your employees. They can't be on unemployment. If they are, they have to come off. Now tell me this.... what kind of food service employee sitting at home with (FL amount) $275 per week PLUS an additional $600 per week for a total of $875 per week is going to get off that, just to receive the $150 a week that their employer paycheck is worth? Remember, tips don't count. Just what is averaged from on your check stub from the last three months.
$875 > $150. Which one do you think people will pick?
The PPP program is beneficial if you have employees making $1000 a week or more. That way you can pay them what their current rate of salary is, without them having to go on unemployment and end up suffering with the lower $275 a week.
The only way small businesses are going to be able to survive in most cases is if they get a SBA approved loan and then pray that loan forgiveness becomes available on down the road. But as it stands now, they are not going to survive on the way the PPP is set up now.
Yeah, that $600/week across the board for everybody is crazy. We don't have the money. Just printed more paper isn't going to make you any more richer.
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On the other hand, it is going to improve some businesses like my gf's when the competitors go under and can't recover. Not to mention a potential housing market crash next year for investors like me.
Gotta find the silver lining somehow I suppose.
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This will be devastating. Too soon to open.
then you stay under your bed until you feel safe to come out!!! The rest of us have work to do!!!!!
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then you stay under your bed until you feel safe to come out!!! The rest of us have work to do!!!!!
I am in Australia. We are down to almost no new cases.
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pa went from 764 to 1112 deaths in a day. that's just one state.
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On the other hand, it is going to improve some businesses like my gf's when the competitors go under and can't recover. Not to mention a potential housing market crash next year for investors like me.
Gotta find the silver lining somehow I suppose.
I can only imagine what your gf's business is. Does it have something to do with fishnet stockings and leaning into car windows at 1 AM?
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I can only imagine what your gf's business is. Does it have something to do with fishnet stockings and leaning into car windows at 1 AM?
Anti Aging clinics.
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I am in Australia. We are down to almost no new cases.
I just read this in the newspaper today. That's great news. I also read where the beaches there are opening back up. Gotta love the beach. A dip in the ocean will cure all that ails you.
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I’m in mass and we are one of the hardest hit states.im guessing we won’t reopen till prob June.I think we will follow NH with schools being closed rest of the year.
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I’m in mass and we are one of the hardest hit states.im guessing we won’t reopen till prob June.I think we will follow NH with schools being closed rest of the year.
NH presently has 78 people in the hospital with covid with a 5k bed capacity. The total number of deaths "attributed" not confirmed is 42.
Panic in the streets! ::)
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I am in Australia. We are down to almost no new cases.
Therefore police checkpoints and tracking apps have never been more necessary. Losing another 60 seniors to this plague is unconscionable.
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Anti Aging clinics.
They’re still open here, just not the facials and shit like that.
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They’re still open here, just not the facials and shit like that.
Not here. There are some trying to skirt the issue by saying they are only handling "pre-existing" appointments only. Unless they are one that are offering services of invasive nature.
Thing is, a good number of them are NOT going to reopen. Luckily my gf owns the property where both of her businesses are located, so she doesn't have that overhead. But others are not that lucky. They may get the back rent deferred, but then they still got to pay the lease on their equipment and shit. And those companies are not deferring that, I can tell you that right now.
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Therefore police checkpoints and tracking apps have never been more necessary. Losing another 60 seniors to this plague is unconscionable.
;D
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Where I live It's a shit show.everybody knows someone who has it or had it. I had a uncle who's father passed from it.
I had it myself. I had one day of a killer headache,one weeks of aches and pain,just a feeling of "meh"
Weird thing was losing all sense of taste and smell for two weeks.
I was cleared to go back to work last week.
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Where I live It's a shit show.everybody knows someone who has it or had it. I had a uncle who's father passed from it.
I had it myself. I had one day of a killer headache,one weeks of aches and pain,just a feeling of "meh"
Weird thing was losing all sense of taste and smell for two weeks.
I was cleared to go back to work last week.
TASTE AND SMELL thing was also reported by a news anchor forgot name she said same thing.
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I am sure that a good part of the population has already had this. Daughter returned from running the LA Marathon in March (pre shutdown) and complained of deep fatigue and headaches for two weeks. She had already run NY and Chicago marathons in the prior year and always felt fine within 3 days after. Then I felt like crap for two weeks- sharp cough, extreme fatigue and a monstrous headache every day.
I figured I had something flu-like so stayed away from people just like I would with the flu. It passed and was back to normal after those two weeks.
Anecdotally a lot of my friends in South Carolina, who I hadn't come in contact with, claimed similar symptoms. Was this Covid or just the flu? No idea since no tests were available.
Viruses can travel fast - far faster than we think. But this shutdown was insane.
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TASTE AND SMELL thing was also reported by a news anchor forgot name she said same thing.
That's why I got tested.went to the doc at first and they didn't think it was anything.I went home and had dinner and no taste.
I called the doc back and told him.Then they had me tested.
...Luckily for me I had all those pictures of the Y boarders while alone in quarantine!!
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Therefore police checkpoints and tracking apps have never been more necessary. Losing another 60 seniors to this plague is unconscionable.
I see what you did there ;D
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will history repeat.
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will history repeat.
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No.
You might as well include examples from the Middle ages while you are at it, lol. The Spanish Flu was initially thought to be a bacterium. Why? Because no one had electron microscopes to see a virus then, haha. There were also no antibiotics then - so pneumonia killed you.
Fast forward to today. We have landed on the moon, discovered what DNA is, are now able to molecular engineer organisms, you name it.
Stop living in the past. I know it's comfortable and all for some.
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Therefore police checkpoints and tracking apps have never been more necessary. Losing another 60 seniors to this plague is unconscionable.
A 42 year old man passed away from coronavirus here. I don’t think an app will be necessary because most are social distancing and the curve has flattened. Restrictions will be eased within a month but I don’t expect gyms etc to be opened this year.
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A 42 year old man passed away from coronavirus here. I don’t think an app will be necessary because most are social distancing and the curve has flattened. Restrictions will be eased within a month but I don’t expect gyms etc to be opened this year.
Wow! That's 8 months of no gyms to workout at. -Hope it isn't as long as that.
The way the gym I go to was setup before the shutdown, it was probably one of the most virus free places you could be. Everyone was wiping everything down constantly, folks were already wearing masks and for those who can tell distance, they shut down every other treadmill or cardio station to insure a 6' distance. The only thing I would worry about is the how their air handling worked since the duct work is all overhead. The ceilings are high even that they probably between 8 and 12 feet away.
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Wow! That's 8 months of no gyms to workout at. -Hope it isn't as long as that.
The way the gym I go to was setup before the shutdown, it was probably one of the most virus free places you could be. Everyone was wiping everything down constantly, folks were already wearing masks and for those who can tell distance, they shut down every other treadmill or cardio station to insure a 6' distance. The only thing I would worry about is the how their air handling worked since the duct work is all overhead. The ceilings are high even that they probably between 8 and 12 feet away.
That's why I like no walls gyms in Thailand, & nobody pinch anything overnight . Facebook/Google Kamala Gym Phuket (as example) to see !.
I am pissed :(, should stay in Thai land :-*.
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That's why I like no walls gyms in Thailand, & nobody pinch anything overnight . Facebook/Google Kamala Gym Phuket (as example) to see !.
I am pissed :(, should stay in Thai land :-*.
No walls gyms in Oregon might be a bit chilly during about 3/4 of the year.
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No walls gyms in Oregon might be a bit chilly during about 3/4 of the year.
:'( :'( :'(
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A 42 year old man passed away from coronavirus here. I don’t think an app will be necessary because most are social distancing and the curve has flattened. Restrictions will be eased within a month but I don’t expect gyms etc to be opened this year.
Gardening mishaps have killed more people here. Closures and restrictions should be rescinded completely. If you owned a restaurant or a gym you'd really be asking if your life being ruined is justified. 74 people nudged over the threshold of death's door at which they were encamped. Plain 'ol influenza is far deadlier. Imagine having everything you worked for stripped away over this, by new rules created by people who aren't losing anything. Think you might feel a little a little pissed off? Its obscene.
Bullshit. No one is distancing. People go to the supermarket. The shopping centers. No one has masks on. The police and soldiers at my roadblock have never worn masks and are right in people's faces. I have tons of footage showing that. A stark contrast from the costumes I've seen in news photos. Even those tasked with inhibiting the spread dont feel the need to wear PPE or stay at a distance. The virus simply isn't as virulent or as deadly as was predicted. It could have been, so caution was warranted. I have no problem with that. But it isn't so let's ease up on the police state unjustifiably bankrupting people.
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Gardening mishaps have killed more people here. Closures and restrictions should be rescinded completely. If you owned a restaurant or a gym you'd really be asking if your life being ruined is justified. 74 people nudged over the threshold of death's door at which they were encamped. Plain 'ol influenza is far deadlier. Imagine having everything you worked for stripped away over this, by new rules created by people who aren't losing anything. Think you might feel a little a little pissed off? Its obscene.
Bullshit. No one is distancing. People go to the supermarket. The shopping centers. No one has masks on. The police and soldiers at my roadblock have never worn masks and are right in people's faces. I have tons of footage showing that. A stark contrast from the costumes I've seen in news photos. Even those tasked with inhibiting the spread dont feel the need to wear PPE or stay at a distance. The virus simply isn't as virulent or as deadly as was predicted. It could have been, so caution was warranted. I have no problem with that. But it isn't so let's ease up on the police state unjustifiably bankrupting people.
Yeah, I go to a larger grocery store once a week and same people are working there with no masks. Now granted I'm not in NYC but imagine the amount of exposure those people have in comparison to the normal person.
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Yeah, I go to a larger grocery store once a week and same people are working there with no masks. Now granted I'm not in NYC but imagine the amount of exposure those people have in comparison to the normal person.
Be sure to thank them for their service.
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Be sure to thank them for their service.
In return they thank me for my money. It's a freaking job. I worked my way through college in food service, grocery and convenience stores. I did it for the money, like anyone. Nothing heroic about going to work. We all have to do it. Except for the internet billionaires on getbig I mean.
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In return they thank me for my money. It's a freaking job. I worked my way through college in food service, grocery and convenience stores. I did it for the money, like anyone. Nothing heroic about going to work. We all have to do it. Except for the internet billionaires on getbig I mean.
How dare you. That bagboy is the civilian equivalent of Delta Force. He's literally risking his life. Only something outrageously deadly like the yearly flu would be more perilous.
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Gardening mishaps have killed more people here. Closures and restrictions should be rescinded completely. If you owned a restaurant or a gym you'd really be asking if your life being ruined is justified. 74 people nudged over the threshold of death's door at which they were encamped. Plain 'ol influenza is far deadlier. Imagine having everything you worked for stripped away over this, by new rules created by people who aren't losing anything. Think you might feel a little a little pissed off? Its obscene.
Bullshit. No one is distancing. People go to the supermarket. The shopping centers. No one has masks on. The police and soldiers at my roadblock have never worn masks and are right in people's faces. I have tons of footage showing that. A stark contrast from the costumes I've seen in news photos. Even those tasked with inhibiting the spread dont feel the need to wear PPE or stay at a distance. The virus simply isn't as virulent or as deadly as was predicted. It could have been, so caution was warranted. I have no problem with that. But it isn't so let's ease up on the police state unjustifiably bankrupting people.
Totally agree^
It's a ridiculous situation, obscene is a good description for the moronic behaviour we have seen across the board. The gov and police are out of control and both as stupid as each other.
The gov makes these stupid news broadcasts like they're in control and know what they're doing, they have no fucking clue..
The Dumb fucks just destroyed the economy cause they were scared shitless of a virus with a 0.1% mortality all ages and still are, fucking pussies everywhere it seems.
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Totally agree^
It's a ridiculous situation, obscene is a good description for the moronic behaviour we have seen across the board. The gov and police are out of control and both as stupid as each other.
The gov makes these stupid news broadcasts like they're in control and know what they're doing, they have no fucking clue..
The Dumb fucks just destroyed the economy cause they were scared shitless of a virus with a 0.1% mortality all ages and still are, fucking pussies everywhere it seems.
The guys at the roadblock are generally ok but there's an occasional hardass. Note from client not enough. Emails from client not good enough. ??? Me and the client. That's everyone involved. Do I need a permission slip from the PM? What do you want to see?
Ok. So I went to the Mundaring precinct to ask. What are the requirements? Is there now, after a few weeks of this thing being in place, a defined list of things which show I'm going to work? I'll do everything I can to make sure I have them.
It was as if it had never crossed their minds. "Oh! Um. Like a list of stuff? Not...really.... The officer just, like, you know, decides."
Awesome. Even the cops don't know what they want to see in order to "like....decide."
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will history repeat.
Yes
Tomorrow, you will still be stupid.
And the next day and the next...
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Yes
Tomorrow, you will still be stupid.
And the next day and the next...
:) :) :) :) pa is staying home and another 364 died in one day. so in other words we shouldn't learn from past experiences.
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GA is supposed to reopen this Friday. Gyms (!!!), retail stores, restaurants (sit down dining), beauty salons, movie theaters, a few other types of businesses.
We will see in a few weeks whether this was a good idea or not. My parents live in GA. So I guess I could find an excuse to drive up, have a few workouts, get a haircut and tattoo, eat at the Varsity and see what playing at Regal. LOL
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GA is supposed to reopen this Friday. Gyms (!!!), retail stores, restaurants (sit down dining), beauty salons, movie theaters, a few other types of businesses.
We will see in a few weeks whether this was a good idea or not. My parents live in GA. So I guess I could find an excuse to drive up, have a few workouts, get a haircut and tattoo, eat at the Varsity and see what playing at Regal. LOL
let's hope it goes well for them.
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A 42 year old man passed away from coronavirus here. I don’t think an app will be necessary because most are social distancing and the curve has flattened. Restrictions will be eased within a month but I don’t expect gyms etc to be opened this year.
Complete overkill when it comes to gyms. If you can limit the number of people in a grocer or walmart, then the same thing can be done with gyms. Healthy bodies equal healthy immune systems. Masks, gloves, turn off the damn fans and lazy front desk people wipe down between member rotations. The world would be surprised how many workers move around hospitals without gloves and masks. It's all about knowledge. Cut the political BS and give people information.
To prevent the spread of COVID-19:
Wear a mask and gloves
Clean your hands often. Use soap and water, or an alcohol-based hand rub.
Maintain a safe distance from anyone who is coughing or sneezing.
Don’t touch your eyes, nose or mouth.
Cover your nose and mouth with your bent elbow or a tissue when you cough or sneeze.
Stay home if you feel unwell.
If you have a fever, a cough, and difficulty breathing, seek medical attention. Call in advance.
Follow the directions of your local health authority.
These guidelines should be broadcast to the general on all mediums every 10-15 until they become 2nd nature.
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Yeah, I go to a larger grocery store once a week and same people are working there with no masks. Now granted I'm not in NYC but imagine the amount of exposure those people have in comparison to the normal person.
Like you, I've seen a lot of people who ignore the advice to wear masks and to follow personal distancing. They put everyone else at risk. If it weren't for this fact, I wouldn't be so pissed about it. People are downright inconsiderate. Maybe it will bite them when all is said and done, but I doubt it. Life doesn't work like that.
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Like you, I've seen a lot of people who ignore the advice to wear masks and to follow personal distancing. They put everyone else at risk. If it weren't for this fact, I wouldn't be so pissed about it. People are downright inconsiderate. Maybe it will bite them when all is said and done, but I doubt it. Life doesn't work like that.
I can’t find any N95 masks where I live. And some people don’t want to take that step as they are in denial. But I agree that a lot of people only care about themselves, and it’s never been more evident now. The other day In the supermarket I saw a wife hold up some leafy herbs to her husband to smell. He’s put his nose right in it and smelled and said no, and she put them back on the shelf. WTH?
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Complete overkill when it comes to gyms. If you can limit the number of people in a grocer or walmart, then the same thing can be done with gyms. Healthy bodies equal healthy immune systems. Masks, gloves, turn off the damn fans and lazy front desk people wipe down between member rotations. The world would be surprised how many workers move around hospitals without gloves and masks. It's all about knowledge. Cut the political BS and give people information.
These guidelines should be broadcast to the general on all mediums every 10-15 until they become 2nd nature.
Are you delusional in thinking a Gym can mange this ?
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GA is supposed to reopen this Friday. Gyms (!!!), retail stores, restaurants (sit down dining), beauty salons, movie theaters, a few other types of businesses.
We will see in a few weeks whether this was a good idea or not. My parents live in GA. So I guess I could find an excuse to drive up, have a few workouts, get a haircut and tattoo, eat at the Varsity and see what playing at Regal. LOL
Classic move by Trump. For weeks he's been pushing Governors to open up prematurely. Liberate this, Liberate that... Praising the Georgia sycophant Governor for opening back up
Kemp tweeted Monday. "Due to favorable data & more testing, gyms, fitness centers, bowling alleys, body art studios, barbers, cosmetologists, hair designers, nail care artists, estheticians, their respective schools & massage therapists can reopen Friday, April 24 with Minimum Basic Operations."
Asked about the same plan Tuesday, Trump praised Kemp as "a capable man who knows what he's doing."
Then today in classic Trump fashion, he reverses himself saying it's too soon leaving Kemp holding the bag. Love him or hate him, you have to give him credit for playing both sides to his advantage. If things go bad, "I said it was too soon" if things go well "I supported his decision to put americans back to work"..
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There’s no masks here.
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Are you delusional in thinking a Gym can mange this ?
Like I said I work near ground zero. It can be managed. You can manage flights. First, the middle seat can not be sold. Each flight carries 2/3 it's normal capacity. Gloves and masks for all passengers. If you think you haven't walked within six feet of an asymmetric covid carrier in grocery stores, etc, then god help you. It still comes down to what you do when you step in the door of your home. Everything comes off and you go straight to the shower. Go back and re-clean your path. This is where a lot of infections are occurring including cell phones and morons licking toilets, lol.
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There’s no masks here.
Then why aren't we harder hit?
I can't speak for QLD but around Perth ain't hardly anybody been keeping distance. I did the mask and distance thing and was regarded as a paranoid. Turns out they were right about me.
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Then why aren't we harder hit?
I can't speak for QLD but around Perth ain't hardly anybody been keeping distance. I did the mask and distance thing and was regarded as a paranoid. Turns out they were right about me.
Population density.
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Classic move by Trump. For weeks he's been pushing Governors to open up prematurely. Liberate this, Liberate that... Praising the Georgia sycophant Governor for opening back up
Kemp tweeted Monday. "Due to favorable data & more testing, gyms, fitness centers, bowling alleys, body art studios, barbers, cosmetologists, hair designers, nail care artists, estheticians, their respective schools & massage therapists can reopen Friday, April 24 with Minimum Basic Operations."
Asked about the same plan Tuesday, Trump praised Kemp as "a capable man who knows what he's doing."
Then today in classic Trump fashion, he reverses himself saying it's too soon leaving Kemp holding the bag. Love him or hate him, you have to give him credit for playing both sides to his advantage. If things go bad, "I said it was too soon" if things go well "I supported his decision to put americans back to work"..
ga will be the guinea pig and all other states can plan accordingly as to ga results. thanks for volunteering ga.
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ga will be the guinea pig and all other states can plan accordingly as to ga results. thanks for volunteering ga.
they are taking one for the team
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Classic move by Trump. For weeks he's been pushing Governors to open up prematurely. Liberate this, Liberate that... Praising the Georgia sycophant Governor for opening back up
Kemp tweeted Monday. "Due to favorable data & more testing, gyms, fitness centers, bowling alleys, body art studios, barbers, cosmetologists, hair designers, nail care artists, estheticians, their respective schools & massage therapists can reopen Friday, April 24 with Minimum Basic Operations."
Asked about the same plan Tuesday, Trump praised Kemp as "a capable man who knows what he's doing."
Then today in classic Trump fashion, he reverses himself saying it's too soon leaving Kemp holding the bag. Love him or hate him, you have to give him credit for playing both sides to his advantage. If things go bad, "I said it was too soon" if things go well "I supported his decision to put americans back to work"..
You're kind of confusing and mixing things here. Liberate this or that had to do with the violations in civil liberties and government overreach of power we are seeing in some states, not pushing Govs to open up for business "prematurely". Also, Trump's Whitehouse guidelines say May 1st is the earliest we should see the easing of restrictions. Kemp is a week earlier then that. That's why there's an issue.
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they are taking one for the team
exactly, thank you Georgia for your service.
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Like I said I work near ground zero. It can be managed. You can manage flights. First, the middle seat can not be sold. Each flight carries 2/3 it's normal capacity. Gloves and masks for all passengers. If you think you haven't walked within six feet of an asymmetric covid carrier in grocery stores, etc, then god help you. It still comes down to what you do when you step in the door of your home. Everything comes off and you go straight to the shower. Go back and re-clean your path. This is where a lot of infections are occurring including cell phones and morons licking toilets, lol.
It occurs to me the airlines would have to charge a lot to make up for the empty seats. I've read that the profit margin is low which is why airlines consistently overbook flights. Either way, I'll pass on this. Being stuck in an airplane cabin with what would still be a lot of people for hours doesn't seem like the best idea right now.
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You're kind of confusing and mixing things here. Liberate this or that had to do with the violations in civil liberties and government overreach of power we are seeing in some states, not pushing Govs to open up for business "prematurely". Also, Trump's Whitehouse guidelines say May 1st is the earliest we should see the easing of restrictions. Kemp is a week earlier then that. That's why there's an issue.
Im confusing and mixing things. Ok, I'm not sure what to call what you are doing.
Liberate this and liberate that were directed at Democratic run states encouraging people to violate the stay at home orders that were in compliance with his own guidelines. No spinning it here. He was in fact encouraging governors to open up prematurely. How do we know? Because he said it "Some states could open up but are dragging their feet" when in fact NO state was meeting HIS OWN GUIDELINES to enter phaSe 1.
While you say his guidelines say May 1st, thats not in his guidelines. that was an optimistic hope. His guidelines set out criteria for entering phase one. However none of the states pushing their opening for this week have meet them. Here are the guidelines from the Gov website
https://www.whitehouse.gov/openingamerica/#criteria
So again please point out where I am mixing it up and you are accurate
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they are taking one for the team
My man! How you doing, still raw no pullout?
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they are taking one for the team
Cox WYHI?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=665161.0
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Classic move by Trump. For weeks he's been pushing Governors to open up prematurely. Liberate this, Liberate that... Praising the Georgia sycophant Governor for opening back up
Kemp tweeted Monday. "Due to favorable data & more testing, gyms, fitness centers, bowling alleys, body art studios, barbers, cosmetologists, hair designers, nail care artists, estheticians, their respective schools & massage therapists can reopen Friday, April 24 with Minimum Basic Operations."
Asked about the same plan Tuesday, Trump praised Kemp as "a capable man who knows what he's doing."
Then today in classic Trump fashion, he reverses himself saying it's too soon leaving Kemp holding the bag. Love him or hate him, you have to give him credit for playing both sides to his advantage. If things go bad, "I said it was too soon" if things go well "I supported his decision to put americans back to work"..
Hey Kemp.... how's the underside of that bus look?
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1252294829154938881 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1252294829154938881)
white people with guns are reopening america. i wonder if minorities could pull this off. ::)
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DONT DRINK OR INJECT LYSOL.
DONT LET TRUMP KILL YOU
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DONT DRINK OR INJECT LYSOL.
DONT LET TRUMP KILL YOU
Good thing you told us! We nearly did it
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Good thing you told us! We nearly did it
Wonder if a 3% solution of hydrogen peroxide used as a mouthwash would help stave off the virus. If so, it would serve a dual purpose because while it's killing germs it will also whiten your teeth. Just be sure to spit it out and not swallow it. Mouthwash with that contains a small amount of alcohol might work too. But don't drink the mouthwash. For that you can have a few shots of tequila. Has anyone tried Cold-Eeze spray or a zinc chewable? What say you, Marty Champions?
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Wonder if a 3% solution of hydrogen peroxide used as a mouthwash would help stave off the virus. If so, it would serve a dual purpose because while it's killing germs it will also whiten your teeth. Just be sure to spit it out and not swallow it. Mouthwash with that contains a small amount of alcohol might work too. But don't drink the mouthwash. For that you can have a few shots of tequila. Has anyone tried Cold-Eeze spray or a zinc chewable? What say you, Marty Champions?
Emergency drink for Aussie Abo's (NO joke), they drink moutwash !.
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Wonder if a 3% solution of hydrogen peroxide used as a mouthwash would help stave off the virus. If so, it would serve a dual purpose because while it's killing germs it will also whiten your teeth. Just be sure to spit it out and not swallow it. Mouthwash with that contains a small amount of alcohol might work too. But don't drink the mouthwash. For that you can have a few shots of tequila. Has anyone tried Cold-Eeze spray or a zinc chewable? What say you, Marty Champions?
Obviously you can NOT drink peroxide or mouth wash and hope to see anything come of it.
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Obviously you can NOT drink peroxide or mouth wash and hope to see anything come of it.
See how this works? Where did I say you should drink it? In fact, I said to spit it out. It's okay to drink the tequila though. ;) When your addressing millions of people watching the news, there is bound to be some who only hear what they want, much like you read what you wanted and not what I posted.
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1252294829154938881 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1252294829154938881)
white people with guns are reopening america. i wonder if minorities could pull this off. ::)
Is everything and every one of your posts about race? Can’t you just live?
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See how this works? Where did I say you should drink it? In fact, I said to spit it out. It's okay to drink the tequila though. ;) When your addressing millions of people watching the news, there is bound to be some who only hear what they want, much like you read what you wanted and not what I posted.
Of course I read what you wrote I figured you were having a senior moment because drinking peroxide would at least make a little sense. I also notice you are making a big deal about the potential health benefits of gargling a salty white viscous substance. Dont swallow! You are far, far more transparent and leas clever than you realize.
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Of course I read what you wrote I figured you were having a senior moment because drinking peroxide would at least make a little sense. I also notice you are making a big deal about the potential health benefits of gargling a salty white viscous substance. Dont swallow! You are far, far more transparent and leas clever than you realize.
And you have a sick and twisted way of thinking. Not for a moment did anything of a sexual nature occur to me when writing that post, but you sure went there without hesitation when you responded. -Says a lot about you. Perhaps you are the one who is more transparent than you know. It's for certain that you aren't the least bit clever. Though you win 1st. prize for being the biggest asshole.
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1252294829154938881 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1252294829154938881)
white people with guns are reopening america. i wonder if minorities could pull this off. ::)
Rapper Killer Mike is a long time member of the NRA. He advocates openly for blacks to join and take over the leadership. Wonder how that would go over with whitey?
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DONT DRINK OR INJECT LYSOL.
DONT LET TRUMP KILL YOU
god save the queen.
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The models were proven to be total junk, over inflated, based on old theories, bad assumptions and thinking everywhere was Italy and NYC. One size fits all measures were stupid, ineffective and destructive.
Remember when we blew our national, economic and societal brains out to "Flatten The Curve!!!!!" because "ventilators!" and as not to overwhelm hospital capacity? Yeah, not even close...hospitals are way, in general, under capacity. The curve has flattened a while ago, the peak has come and gone. COVID-19 has been in the USA since at last December. Open it up.
Now the goal posts have moved to "No one can die from it, no new cases, cause a Great Depression, fuck you and your family." Virginia is fine, yet KKK Northam wants to keep Virginia, all of it, shut down for years even though the pittance of cases are centered almost completely in 2 metro areas.
This has gone on long enough, the "experts" who live in a wealthy bubble, have no care in the world, belong to multiple foundations and organizations and answer to different masters have been shown to be wrong. Now we are to wait for a vaccine that probably won't work? Pushed by a guy and sold by a guy that runs a foundation based on shilling vaccines and he wants to burn our natural rights to the ground?
Enough. The curve fattened, open up. The next Great Depression over this virus may be the end of it.
Open it up.
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If it reopens and there is a spike and we end up back in lockdown again by July.... what are all the excuses going to be then?
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I have mixed feelings about the gyms reopening.
I train early in the morning so in general its not very crowded when I go in. But then all those machines being touched, sweated on, sneezed in, etc.... Just seems like a petri dish for nastiness lol
I may just get some real equipment in the garage and take some time off from the commercial gyms.
But then I'm also of the opinion that the fatality rate is actually much less than what we know due to asymptomatic people.
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If it reopens and there is a spike and we end up back in lockdown again by July.... what are all the excuses going to be then?
There is going to be a spike no matter what we do. It's a virus and it's contagious. And what's the definition of a spike? 1,000 cases over a week? A month? A year? Is this lunacy going to be the Big Red Button that is pressed every time someone gets a cough or sniffles?
The initial goal was met awhile ago. Healthcare capacity wasn't even close to being overwhelmed, no ventilator shortage, no one dying on the streets, no one dying for lack of beds, Mercy ships empty, hospitals at half capacity or less. All goals met in that regard. PPE's are still an ongoing issue but that is to be expected.
There was never a "Zero COVID-19 cases for 10 years until we can come out of our homes." goal. I don't know where this came from, The goal posts keep moving and moving. Not going to have much of a nation left to come out to if we keep on with the current illogical hysteria..maybe that's the point?
What is the spike in suicides going to look like due to this? Violent crime? Shattered towns and families? Social and economic dislocation?
You want to stay in your home and hide under your bed? Fine. Do that. Not every single locality should be treated as New York City or Northern Italy.
Here, do this:
Masks in public
Adjust occupancy in restaurants and bars
Isolate and protect he most vulnerable
Check temps and test those going back to factories and offices and places of business.
Antibody tests
Isolate flare ups as they come up.
Keep expanded infrastructure in place in case spikes happen.
Begin elective procedures
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Im confusing and mixing things. Ok, I'm not sure what to call what you are doing.
Liberate this and liberate that were directed at Democratic run states encouraging people to violate the stay at home orders that were in compliance with his own guidelines. No spinning it here. He was in fact encouraging governors to open up prematurely. How do we know? Because he said it "Some states could open up but are dragging their feet" when in fact NO state was meeting HIS OWN GUIDELINES to enter phaSe 1.
While you say his guidelines say May 1st, thats not in his guidelines. that was an optimistic hope. His guidelines set out criteria for entering phase one. However none of the states pushing their opening for this week have meet them. Here are the guidelines from the Gov website
https://www.whitehouse.gov/openingamerica/#criteria
So again please point out where I am mixing it up and you are accurate
I already pointed out what you said that was misleading and inaccurate. You said Trump has been pushing states to open prematurely and your proof was his "liberate" tweets. One has nothing to do with the other. The "liberate" tweets were directed at states like Michigan, where the Governor is abusing civil liberties above and beyond what other states are doing. Not letting people travel to their 2nd home or let them buy vegetable seeds but abortion clinics are open. While in Virginia, they're passing gun control legislation in the middle of a pandemic. Has nothing to do with pushing the states to reopen "prematurely" That's your narrative.
The Guidelines don't list May 1st but that date has been talked about frequently. https://nypost.com/2020/04/16/trump-unveils-opening-up-america-plan-aims-for-may-1/
You kind of answered your own question. GA doesn't meet most of the phase 1 criteria. So why are surprised Trump didn't back Kemp after he's not following the guidelines laid out by The WH?
Criteria for phase 1 reopening:
Downward trajectory of flu-like illnesses reported within a 14-day period:
No. Georgia has not yet reported a two-week decline in flu-like illnesses.
Or ...
Downward trajectory of COVID-like syndromic cases reported within a 14-day period:
No. Georgia has not shown a 14-day downward trend of new cases reported.
On Cases:
Downward trajectory of documented cases within a 14-day period:
No. The state continues to see an increase in cases.
Or ...
Downward trajectory of positive tests as a percent of total tests within a 14-day period:
No. Georgia reported more than 100,000 tests with a 22% positive rate. Experts say 10% positive is a good benchmark to indicate enough testing is being done. And the state has seen a relatively steady number of new coronavirus cases reported over the past two weeks.
On Hospitals:
Treat all patients without crisis care:
No. There is no evidence that the state has been able to treat all hospital patients without crisis care. Atlanta's mayor has warned of the strain the city's hospitals are facing in attempting to treat the disease.
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There is going to be a spike no matter what we do. It's a virus and it's contagious. And what's the definition of a spike? 1,000 cases over a week? A month? A year? Is this lunacy going to be the Big Red Button that is pressed every time someone gets a cough or sniffles?
The initial goal was met awhile ago. Healthcare capacity wasn't even close to being overwhelmed, no ventilator shortage, no one dying on the streets, no one dying for lack of beds, Mercy ships empty, hospitals at half capacity or less. All goals met in that regard. PPE's are still an ongoing issue but that is to be expected.
There was never a "Zero COVID-19 cases for 10 years until we can come out of our homes." goal. I don't know where this came from, The goal posts keep moving and moving. Not going to have much of a nation left to come out to if we keep on with the current illogical hysteria..maybe that's the point?
What is the spike in suicides going to look like due to this? Violent crime? Shattered towns and families? Social and economic dislocation?
You want to stay in your home and hide under your bed? Fine. Do that. Not every single locality should be treated as New York City or Northern Italy.
Here, do this:
Masks in public
Adjust occupancy in restaurants and bars
Isolate and protect he most vulnerable
Check temps and test those going back to factories and offices and places of business.
Antibody tests
Isolate flare ups as they come up.
Keep expanded infrastructure in place in case spikes happen.
Begin elective procedures
Nothing to add here. Great post.
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I already pointed out what you said that was misleading and inaccurate. You said Trump has been pushing states to open prematurely and your proof was his "liberate" tweets. One has nothing to do with the other. The "liberate" tweets were directed at states like Michigan, where the Governor is abusing civil liberties above and beyond what other states are doing. Not letting people travel to their 2nd home or let them buy vegetable seeds but abortion clinics are open. While in Virginia, they're passing gun control legislation in the middle of a pandemic. Has nothing to do with pushing the states to reopen "prematurely" That's your narrative.
The Guidelines don't list May 1st but that date has been talked about frequently. https://nypost.com/2020/04/16/trump-unveils-opening-up-america-plan-aims-for-may-1/
You kind of answered your own question. GA doesn't meet most of the phase 1 criteria. So why are surprised Trump didn't back Kemp after he's not following the guidelines laid out by The WH?
Criteria for phase 1 reopening:
Downward trajectory of flu-like illnesses reported within a 14-day period:
No. Georgia has not yet reported a two-week decline in flu-like illnesses.
Or ...
Downward trajectory of COVID-like syndromic cases reported within a 14-day period:
No. Georgia has not shown a 14-day downward trend of new cases reported.
On Cases:
Downward trajectory of documented cases within a 14-day period:
No. The state continues to see an increase in cases.
Or ...
Downward trajectory of positive tests as a percent of total tests within a 14-day period:
No. Georgia reported more than 100,000 tests with a 22% positive rate. Experts say 10% positive is a good benchmark to indicate enough testing is being done. And the state has seen a relatively steady number of new coronavirus cases reported over the past two weeks.
On Hospitals:
Treat all patients without crisis care:
No. There is no evidence that the state has been able to treat all hospital patients without crisis care. Atlanta's mayor has warned of the strain the city's hospitals are facing in attempting to treat the disease.
You forget Trumps many comments during his "briefings" when he said some governors were dragging their feet and also referring to the same states he tweeted "Liberate" about. To not see the connection is just willful ignorance.
You forget that Trump was asked about the very same plan Kemp was going to implement the day before he threw him under the bus and his response was ""He's a very capable man. He knows what he’s doing. He’s done a very good job as governor in Georgia,"
No concern there... Even though at the point Kemp had not met Trump/WH guidelines to open anything.
I'm used to Trumpsters spinning facts and rewriting history in order to protect him. Just the other day I read numerous posts from my Republican FB friends explaining how brilliant Trump was for suggesting the injection of disinfectant and somehow using UV light to destroy the virus. For 24 hours I read how they compared it to Chemo and how he was so forward thinking. Then when Trump came out the next day and claimed he was just being sarcastic, they all had egg on their face and tried to backtrack. So it's no surprise that you won't accept Trump is coverning his bases by both encouraging Kemp to open up early and then condemning it.
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I will
thrust trust the brilliant scientists at GetBig and return to gym on May 1st.
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Here, do this:
Masks in public
Adjust occupancy in restaurants and bars
Isolate and protect he most vulnerable
Check temps and test those going back to factories and offices and places of business.
Antibody tests
Isolate flare ups as they come up.
Keep expanded infrastructure in place in case spikes happen.
Begin elective procedures
This is Getbig. Masks in gyms? Wipedowns after every use of x?
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Am I the only person who does not see a big need for testing? Like what does that do for us anyway? Yey its being used as some kind of green or red light to go back to normal living? We test a bunch of people, maybe they test positive, MAYBE THEY TEST NEGATIVE---AND??? The cdc does not even guarantee immunity if youve had it, so tell me again WHY THE FUCK ARE WE IN LIMBO BECAUSE NOT ENOUGH TESTING IS BEING DONE?
Someone smart please help this make sense to me because right now I feel very confused and extremely frustrated.
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Unfortunately testing is not very accurate, my wife and I are both RNs in Ny we’ve tested people that had all the symptoms and we would get two negatives before receiving a positive, there really just learning as they go. Although they haven’t proven you can’t get coved a second time, that’s just typically how a virus works unless of course if it mutates. Testing on a wide scale has more to do with figuring out critical% of patients and death%. It’s definitely a nasty virus. Unfortunately in NY we were hit pretty hard.
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I have the feeling that as soon as the gyms re-open Getbiggers will calm down.
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You forget Trumps many comments during his "briefings" when he said some governors were dragging their feet and also referring to the same states he tweeted "Liberate" about. To not see the connection is just willful ignorance.
Direct proof? You're blending and massaging things again to fit your narrative. Nothing he said about 'dragging feet" had to do with forcing states to open "prematurely". Of course he wants states to reopen, but he's also set guidelines that he wants followed for a successful re-opening. He's echoed that many times. Trump is the only guy I know that gets hate on for being optimistic.
You forget that Trump was asked about the very same plan Kemp was going to implement the day before he threw him under the bus and his response was ""He's a very capable man. He knows what he’s doing. He’s done a very good job as governor in Georgia,"
No concern there... Even though at the point Kemp had not met Trump/WH guidelines to open anything.
Is this the first time you've ever heard Trump speak? He says stuff like this all the time about his republican allies. What are you expecting him to say? He can praise Kemp for the overall job he's done and still disagree with his move to open early. They are not mutually exclusive things.
I'm used to Trumpsters spinning facts and rewriting history in order to protect him. Just the other day I read numerous posts from my Republican FB friends explaining how brilliant Trump was for suggesting the injection of disinfectant and somehow using UV light to destroy the virus. For 24 hours I read how they compared it to Chemo and how he was so forward thinking. Then when Trump came out the next day and claimed he was just being sarcastic, they all had egg on their face and tried to backtrack. So it's no surprise that you won't accept Trump is coverning his bases by both encouraging Kemp to open up early and then condemning it.
You're not a super bright guy and i'm sure your friends fall in a similar iq range.
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This is Getbig. Masks in gyms? Wipedowns after every use of x?
that's not going to happen 1 in 4 people might wipe down equipment after usage. the only gym i ever been to that had an employee constantly doing this was steel fitness. a high end club.
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that's not going to happen 1 in 4 people might wipe down equipment after usage. the only gym i ever been to that had an employee constantly doing this was steel fitness. a high end club.
before total lockdown hit the gym i train at had 2 guys wiping everything after each person left an area or machine..if they keep it in place moving foward to a certain degree it will help until this totally dies down.still in nj we are weeks or more from anything anyway.
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This is Getbig. Masks in gyms? Wipedowns after every use of x?
What if it is do this or the gym gets closed down? I'd happily wear a mask and carry around a package of disinfectant wipes if it meant my gym could open back up.
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Am I the only person who does not see a big need for testing? Like what does that do for us anyway? Yey its being used as some kind of green or red light to go back to normal living? We test a bunch of people, maybe they test positive, MAYBE THEY TEST NEGATIVE---AND??? The cdc does not even guarantee immunity if youve had it, so tell me again WHY THE FUCK ARE WE IN LIMBO BECAUSE NOT ENOUGH TESTING IS BEING DONE?
Someone smart please help this make sense to me because right now I feel very confused and extremely frustrated.
One of the reasons the CDC cannot guarantee immunity if you've had COVID-19 is because enough people haven't tested to emphatically prove this to be true. Whether or not we reopen the economy by ending the lock-down without additional testing is another issue. People will revolt and violate the lock-down if it means the difference between earning a living, paying your bills and having enough money to buy food. Sure, opening the economy too soon increases the possibility that more people will get sick and some of those will die. Ultimately, it will come down to survival of the fittest. The COVID-19 pandemic is an excellent test of the power of human nature.
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I have the feeling that as soon as the gyms re-open Getbiggers will calm down.
I know, right? -Don't know about the rest of you all, but I am going stir crazy and the boredom is really getting me down. This morning, I slept in until almost noon. This means I slept for a half a day. But hey, there is not much else to do, so might just as well get lots of sleep.
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before total lockdown hit the gym i train at had 2 guys wiping everything after each person left an area or machine..if they keep it in place moving foward to a certain degree it will help until this totally dies down.still in nj we are weeks or more from anything anyway.
It may well be weeks before things start changing or it could happen tomorrow. Across the U.S. and indeed the world there is a lot of decisions made on a daily basis.
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I know, right? -Don't know about the rest of you all, but I am going stir crazy and the boredom is really getting me down. This morning, I slept in until almost noon. This means I slept for a half a day. But hey, there is not much else to do, so might just as well get lots of sleep.
If mindless Hollywood drek isn't passing the time, and you might dig educational stuff, The Teaching Company has lots of video and audio stuff. They're expensive but, in theory, could be ruthlessly pirated, if one were so inclined.
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Direct proof? You're blending and massaging things again to fit your narrative. Nothing he said about 'dragging feet" had to do with forcing states to open "prematurely". Of course he wants states to reopen, but he's also set guidelines that he wants followed for a successful re-opening. He's echoed that many times. Trump is the only guy I know that gets hate on for being optimistic.
Is this the first time you've ever heard Trump speak? He says stuff like this all the time about his republican allies. What are you expecting him to say? He can praise Kemp for the overall job he's done and still disagree with his move to open early. They are not mutually exclusive things.
You're not a super bright guy and i'm sure your friends fall in a similar iq range.
like I said, I've seen enough to know once a Trumpster makes up his mind even video of Trump saying it won't change it.