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Milos Sarcev: Chad Nicholls Is Not Responsible For Bodybuilders' Health Problems
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Of course Milos would say that, as he too worked with clients of Chad's!
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Remember Milos was the guy who was overseeing Luke wood when he accidentally took that outrageous dose of cytomel prepping for the 05 AC ....
Woods kidneys gave out soon after, and we all know how that ended. So yeah not surprised milos is backing Chad here... Milos has some of the dumbest protocols getting around, the guys a spastic imo.
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All of a sudden individual responsibility gets thrown out the window.
He's not responsible for what they put in their bodies. Their choice.
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Is a liquor store owner to blame if someone came into their store as sober as can be, bought a large quantity of alcohol, went home, drank it, then drove back to the liquor store for more, but hit a pedestrian while driving under the influence in a drunk driving accident, severely injuring or even killing the pedestrian in the process?
I wouldn't blame the liquor store owner in that case. Unless he did something using horrible discretion in the process.
As far as bodybuilders are concerned, they were/are grown adults. They know that diuretics come with risks. I would even go so far as to say that most - especially at this point - are aware that they could potentially die due to cutting agents, specifically diuretics.
And that is why I simply cannot blame Chaicholls for the deaths of some of the heavy PED-using clients that he. Someone pointed out that some of his clients were massive and jacked before they met Chad- so it would be difficult to say how much blame Chad should be given in the decision.
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All of a sudden individual responsibility gets thrown out the window.
He's not responsible for what they put in their bodies. Their choice.
Hang on, how did you make this point in under 10,000 words? Do you have a secret that you'd be able to share with me?
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4:33 Getbig mentioned.
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So the individual is responsible, which would require the individual to have the very exact knowledge he pays a guru for.
With that logic, a doctor can never be held responsible for anything, it is the whole responsbility of the individual.
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Birds of a feather...
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All of a sudden individual responsibility gets thrown out the window.
He's not responsible for what they put in their bodies. Their choice.
if they pay him for advice and that advice hurts them then they are responsible?
Remember this guy?
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if they pay him for advice and that advice hurts them then they are responsible?
Remember this guy?
(https://www.biography.com/.image/t_share/MTE5NDg0MDU0ODM2NTEyMjcx/dr-conrad-murray-481814-2-402.jpg)
Loved him in Lethal Weapon...
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Remember Milos was the guy who was overseeing Luke wood when he accidentally took that outrageous dose of cytomel prepping for the 05 AC ....
Woods kidneys gave out soon after, and we all know how that ended. So yeah not surprised milos is backing Chad here... Milos has some of the dumbest protocols getting around, the guys a spastic imo.
Both of them said he purchased an overdosed product in Thailand, where Luke also used it. Milos thought it was like 1000x overdosed.
Milos also had a thyroid scare due to topical Percutafeine. He said his mistake was assuming it wouldn't get absorbed very efficiently through the skin so he used it liberally. Probably thought it would be localized too.
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Milos Sarcev: Chad Nicholls Is Not Responsible For Bodybuilders' Health Problems
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4:28 He TALKS ABOUT GETBIG!
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Both of them said he purchased an overdosed product in Thailand, where Luke also used it. Milos thought it was like 1000x overdosed.
Milos also had a thyroid scare due to topical Percutafeine. He said his mistake was assuming it wouldn't get absorbed very efficiently through the skin so he used it liberally. Probably thought it would be localized too.
The t3 wasn’t purchased in Thailand,Luke said himself that it was made by a friend of his in Australia that had a small underground lab operation in Australia.The guy was known to have a sound knowledge of chemistry and many top level ifbb amateurs down under used his products.Just goes to show no matter no matter how good a reputation a underground lab has it’s still hit and miss .Luke should have known better and used pharm grade only for fat burners:ancillaries etc
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Both of them said he purchased an overdosed product in Thailand, where Luke also used it. Milos thought it was like 1000x overdosed.
Milos also had a thyroid scare due to topical Percutafeine. He said his mistake was assuming it wouldn't get absorbed very efficiently through the skin so he used it liberally. Probably thought it would be localized too.
The t3 wasn’t purchased in Thailand,Luke said himself that it was made by a friend of his in Australia that had a small underground lab operation in Australia.The guy was known to have a sound knowledge of chemistry and many top level ifbb amateurs down under used his products.Just goes to show no matter no matter how good a reputation a underground lab has it’s still hit and miss .Luke should have known better and used pharm grade only for fat burners:ancillaries etc
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Both of them said he purchased an overdosed product in Thailand, where Luke also used it. Milos thought it was like 1000x overdosed.
Milos also had a thyroid scare due to topical Percutafeine. He said his mistake was assuming it wouldn't get absorbed very efficiently through the skin so he used it liberally. Probably thought it would be localized too.
Supposedly milos doesn’t use “as much” on himself through his experiments, but uses a lot more on test subjects, I mean clients
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In the end it's on the bodybuilders themselves for what they ultimately put in their bodies....
But Chad and milos, both of whom there is evidence they have given very bad advices that may have lead to serious problems, have some level of responsibility also. They cannot wash themselves completely of it, it's on them too.
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The irony of Luke’s post
Sad what happened to him, seemed like a decent guy
Guys i can back Milos 100% with this post!!! the astronomical amounts of steroids, gh, insulin etc that the general public think alot of the pro's take is just ridiculous!!!!! I can honestly say having helped alot of amateurs myself prepare for shows is the first thing i do is cut there cycles in half and than maybe half again!!! they have this inscane belief that taking this ridiculous amounts will make this a professional bodbuilder more faster and than get on the Olympia stage!!! achieving a pro card is one thing but competing in the Olympia is the highest level a pro can obtain! but having said does this mean the very top guys in the sport are abusing??? NO WAY!!!! look at the very elite, Jay, Ronnie, Melvin, Dexter, Dennis, Victor, Gustavo etc......these guys have been around in the elite level for almost 10 years!!! WHY??? not because they abuse but like Milos said because they are smart!!!! the guys who come in like a flash and exit just as fast as the guys more likely taking the most risk!
Lee Priest once said "There would be guys in a Mr Olympia audience who have never ever competed taking more gear than the the actual Mr Olympia competitors on stage"!!! nothing could be further from the truth!
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A lot was posted about the demise of Luke Wood on this forum. Apparently Luke misunderstood a dosage and took way too much and it caused renal problems, etc.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=553440.0
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/bodybuilder-luke-wood-died-after-missed-opportunities-in-his-treatment-at-westmead-hospital-coroner-finds-20141119-11ptyi.html
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At least Milos concedes that thong donning is an extreme 'sport' and doesn't pretend that it's healthy...
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The irony of Luke’s post
Sad what happened to him, seemed like a decent guy
I remember that post. It's positively absurd. Some guys you just see use "a lot" and Luke had obviously used enormous amounts of drugs.
The t3 wasn’t purchased in Thailand,Luke said himself that it was made by a friend of his in Australia that had a small underground lab operation in Australia.The guy was known to have a sound knowledge of chemistry and many top level ifbb amateurs down under used his products.Just goes to show no matter no matter how good a reputation a underground lab has it’s still hit and miss .Luke should have known better and used pharm grade only for fat burners:ancillaries etc
Alright, maybe I misremembered.
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I remember that post. It's positively absurd. Some guys you just see use "a lot" and Luke had obviously used enormous amounts of drugs.
Alright, maybe I misremembered.
In your opinion and just a guess, who really used “a little” in this thong war? Lee said he does ::) Dillett, dexter?
I don’t think anyone used “a little” which is all relative
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In your opinion and just a guess, who really used “a little” in this thong war? Lee said he does ::) Dillett, dexter?
I don’t think anyone used “a little” which is all relative
I used 2 Dianabol a day for 50 days a few times. That was it. No supplements except Vitamin C and B.
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I used 2 Dianabol a day for 50 days a few times. That was it. No supplements except Vitamin C and B.
Dallas McCarther said he only uses very little gear, but his autopsy said other wise, total test of 50000ng! Ronnie coleman claimed natty, Lee priest claims he only takes winny and dbol. Yes, ifbb pros lie, and lie alot
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Is a liquor store owner to blame if someone came into their store as sober as can be, bought a large quantity of alcohol, went home, drank it, then drove back to the liquor store for more, but hit a pedestrian while driving under the influence in a drunk driving accident, severely injuring or even killing the pedestrian in the process?
I wouldn't blame the liquor store owner in that case. Unless he did something using horrible discretion in the process.
As far as bodybuilders are concerned, they were/are grown adults. They know that diuretics come with risks. I would even go so far as to say that most - especially at this point - are aware that they could potentially die due to cutting agents, specifically diuretics.
And that is why I simply cannot blame Chaicholls for the deaths of some of the heavy PED-using clients that he. Someone pointed out that some of his clients were massive and jacked before they met Chad- so it would be difficult to say how much blame Chad should be given in the decision.
Not even close. A guy is buying liquor and getting drunk on his own. Nobody is telling him or advising him to do squat. A bber is paying someone whom he trusts to give him sound advice. It's just like when you go to a doctor and pay him for his expertise. The doctor prescribes the treatment and dosage. If he fucks up he is the one responsible.
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Luke was a really nice kid, Milos only ever had Lukes best intentions at heart, Luke took advice from Milos but always always took this advice and added to it. Luke was a far better bodybuilder off stage than on, due to not taking that advice, he just self destructed, ending in the worst possible outcome for a guy who was you would be hard pressed to find anyone disliked.
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Bashing gurus and accusing them of having blood on their hands is 99% operated by poisonous bitches who quite frankly, are not people who have their fellow human being's interests at heart. They are just another rendition of the social justice warrior, drama queens looking to start a pile on.
Bringing up Luke Wood is a great example. All these bitches know full well that Luke Wood had a reputation for going above the advice of his "guru" but that ruins the juicy narrative of an evil, careless guru giving terrible advice, so they ignore that and bring it up, anyway ::)
Don't get me wrong - you can get bad advice from a guru. Thing is, it's wise to remember that the subject of this discussion is administering often way over therapeutic (likely untested) levels of compounds to yourself. When it comes to that, there is only one person to blame. There isn't a shred of credible evidence that you definitely won't damage yourself from using these substances and when they are used in the medical world, they are only used when they absolutely have to. Yet, here we are, whining about how misuse of them in otherwise perfectly healthy people who have everything to lose has gone awry. What a shock!
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Well said, Rocket. One thing that I have observed about top athletes in any field is what they have to do to be the best in their field, sport, endeavour or even pageant.
The closer you are to the top the more motivation you will have to find something to give you more results. Many times the margins are extremely small so who knows
what these champions will do? In Luke's case he won all the titles in Australia. That left the Olympia and Universe titles. Well, how many of the Aussie champs have gone
overseas looking for glory? Just about all of them. Luke was right up there with the best in many ways. He lacked size in his arms and like Dennis James, was better a
few weeks out.
I remember coaching a 400 M runner who won the Australian titles years ago. I kept pushing him on the leg press and he astounded me by what he could endure and
achieve. He did over 100 reps with 300 pounds on the leg press! He usually did two maximum sets. Heart rate at the end was about 175. I got him to try
to beat the number of reps each session and eventually he could do about 120 reps. Quite amazing to witness.
He was rewarded by setting the best time ever run over 400 metres in Australia. Well, imagine my dismay when I discovered he had another coach who
was also pushing him. This guy trained him on sand dunes. Plus he had his regular coach for track work. If I had known about the extras he was doing I would have changed things.
As it was he didn't fare well at the Olympics that year which was a pity.
We can only imagine what bodybuilders will do. Goodness knows there are 'gurus' here in Australia as well as overseas. If some aspiring bodybuilders aren't that bright
then they probably won't know who to believe or what to do. The smart ones either figure things out or rely on a coach who already has done that.
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Luke was a really nice kid, Milos only ever had Lukes best intentions at heart, Luke took advice from Milos but always always took this advice and added to it. Luke was a far better bodybuilder off stage than on, due to not taking that advice, he just self destructed, ending in the worst possible outcome for a guy who was you would be hard pressed to find anyone disliked.
Kid? The guy was 35 years old. Old enough to take responsibility for his actions.
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You will have to forgive me I knew him since he was competing as a teenager. Might have grown up a lot but to me he was always still just a big kid.,
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You will have to forgive me I knew him since he was competing as a teenager. Might have grown up a lot but to me he was always still just a big kid.,
I understand. My nephew who I use to babysit and then help raise when his parents divorced is in his thirties now with three kids and I still think of him as a kid.
They grow up so fast.
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Is a liquor store owner to blame if someone came into their store as sober as can be, bought a large quantity of alcohol, went home, drank it, then drove back to the liquor store for more, but hit a pedestrian while driving under the influence in a drunk driving accident, severely injuring or even killing the pedestrian in the process?
I wouldn't blame the liquor store owner in that case. Unless he did something using horrible discretion in the process.
As far as bodybuilders are concerned, they were/are grown adults. They know that diuretics come with risks. I would even go so far as to say that most - especially at this point - are aware that they could potentially die due to cutting agents, specifically diuretics.
And that is why I simply cannot blame Chaicholls for the deaths of some of the heavy PED-using clients that he. Someone pointed out that some of his clients were massive and jacked before they met Chad- so it would be difficult to say how much blame Chad should be given in the decision.
You pay a Guru to help you do good in a contest and walk away with health intact, it might be a naive move but a Guru” is supposed to put you in an effective yet safe protocol.
It’s Bodybuilding after all.