Milos Sarcev: Chad Nicholls Is Not Responsible For Bodybuilders' Health Problems

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Milos Sarcev: Chad Nicholls Is Not Responsible For Bodybuilders' Health Problems

 

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[JuicedKangaroo]

Of course Milos would say that, as he too worked with clients of Chad's!

[harmankardon1]

Remember Milos was the guy who was overseeing Luke wood when he accidentally took that outrageous dose of cytomel prepping for the 05 AC ....

Woods kidneys gave out soon after, and we all know how that ended. So yeah not surprised milos is backing Chad here... Milos has some of the dumbest protocols getting around, the guys a spastic imo.

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All of a sudden individual responsibility gets thrown out the window.

He's not responsible for what they put in their bodies. Their choice.

[Matt]

Is a liquor store owner to blame if someone came into their store as sober as can be, bought a large quantity of alcohol, went home, drank it, then drove back to the liquor store for more, but hit a pedestrian while driving under the influence in a drunk driving accident, severely injuring or even killing the pedestrian in the process?

I wouldn't blame the liquor store owner in that case.  Unless he did something using horrible discretion in the process.

As far as bodybuilders are concerned, they were/are grown adults.  They know that diuretics come with risks.  I would even go so far as to say that most - especially at this point - are aware that they could potentially die due to cutting agents, specifically diuretics.

And that is why I simply cannot blame Chaicholls for the deaths of some of the heavy PED-using clients that he.  Someone pointed out that some of his clients were massive and jacked before they met Chad- so it would be difficult to say how much blame Chad should be given in the decision.

[Matt]

All of a sudden individual responsibility gets thrown out the window.

He's not responsible for what they put in their bodies. Their choice.

Hang on, how did you make this point in under 10,000 words?  Do you have a secret that you'd be able to share with me?

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4:33 Getbig mentioned.

[friedchickendinner]

So the individual is responsible, which would require the individual to have the very exact knowledge he pays a guru for.

With that logic, a doctor can never be held responsible for anything, it is the whole responsbility of the individual.

[Rambone]

Birds of a feather...

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

[joswift]

All of a sudden individual responsibility gets thrown out the window.

He's not responsible for what they put in their bodies. Their choice.

if they pay him for advice and that advice hurts them then they are responsible?

Remember this guy?

[Rambone]

if they pay him for advice and that advice hurts them then they are responsible?

Remember this guy?

Loved him in Lethal Weapon...

[Van_Bilderass]

Remember Milos was the guy who was overseeing Luke wood when he accidentally took that outrageous dose of cytomel prepping for the 05 AC ....

Woods kidneys gave out soon after, and we all know how that ended. So yeah not surprised milos is backing Chad here... Milos has some of the dumbest protocols getting around, the guys a spastic imo.

Both of them said he purchased an overdosed product in Thailand, where Luke also used it. Milos thought it was like 1000x overdosed.

Milos also had a thyroid scare due to topical Percutafeine. He said his mistake was assuming it wouldn't get absorbed very efficiently through the skin so he used it liberally. Probably thought it would be localized too.

[Kwon]

Milos Sarcev: Chad Nicholls Is Not Responsible For Bodybuilders' Health Problems

 

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4:28 He TALKS ABOUT GETBIG!

[Competitor]

Both of them said he purchased an overdosed product in Thailand, where Luke also used it. Milos thought it was like 1000x overdosed.

Milos also had a thyroid scare due to topical Percutafeine. He said his mistake was assuming it wouldn't get absorbed very efficiently through the skin so he used it liberally. Probably thought it would be localized too.

The t3 wasn’t purchased in Thailand,Luke said himself that it was made by a friend of his in Australia that had a small underground lab operation in Australia.The guy was known to have a sound knowledge of chemistry and many top level ifbb amateurs down under used his products.Just goes to show no matter no matter how good a reputation a underground lab has it’s still hit and miss .Luke should have known better and used pharm grade only for fat burners:ancillaries etc

[Competitor]

Both of them said he purchased an overdosed product in Thailand, where Luke also used it. Milos thought it was like 1000x overdosed.

Milos also had a thyroid scare due to topical Percutafeine. He said his mistake was assuming it wouldn't get absorbed very efficiently through the skin so he used it liberally. Probably thought it would be localized too.

The t3 wasn’t purchased in Thailand,Luke said himself that it was made by a friend of his in Australia that had a small underground lab operation in Australia.The guy was known to have a sound knowledge of chemistry and many top level ifbb amateurs down under used his products.Just goes to show no matter no matter how good a reputation a underground lab has it’s still hit and miss .Luke should have known better and used pharm grade only for fat burners:ancillaries etc

[Bevo]

Both of them said he purchased an overdosed product in Thailand, where Luke also used it. Milos thought it was like 1000x overdosed.

Milos also had a thyroid scare due to topical Percutafeine. He said his mistake was assuming it wouldn't get absorbed very efficiently through the skin so he used it liberally. Probably thought it would be localized too.

Supposedly milos doesn’t use “as much” on himself through his experiments, but uses a lot more on test subjects, I mean clients

[harmankardon1]

In the end it's on the bodybuilders themselves for what they ultimately put in their bodies....

But Chad and milos, both of whom there is evidence they have given very bad advices that may have lead to serious problems, have some level of responsibility also. They cannot wash themselves completely of it, it's on them too.

[Bevo]

The irony of Luke’s post

Sad what happened to him, seemed like a decent guy

Guys i can back Milos 100% with this post!!! the astronomical amounts of steroids, gh, insulin etc that the general public think alot of the pro's take is just ridiculous!!!!! I can honestly say having helped alot of amateurs myself prepare for shows is the first thing i do is cut there cycles in half and than maybe half again!!! they have this inscane belief that taking this ridiculous amounts will make this a professional bodbuilder more faster and than get on the Olympia stage!!! achieving a pro card is one thing but competing in the Olympia is the highest level a pro can obtain! but having said does this mean the very top guys in the sport are abusing??? NO WAY!!!! look at the very elite, Jay, Ronnie, Melvin, Dexter, Dennis, Victor, Gustavo etc......these guys have been around in the elite level for almost 10 years!!! WHY??? not because they abuse but like Milos said because they are smart!!!! the guys who come in like a flash and exit just as fast as the guys more likely taking the most risk!

Lee Priest once said "There would be guys in a Mr Olympia audience who have never ever competed taking more gear than the the actual Mr Olympia competitors on stage"!!! nothing could be further from the truth!

[Vince B]

A lot was posted about the demise of Luke Wood on this forum. Apparently Luke misunderstood a dosage and took way too much and it caused renal problems, etc.


http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=553440.0


https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/bodybuilder-luke-wood-died-after-missed-opportunities-in-his-treatment-at-westmead-hospital-coroner-finds-20141119-11ptyi.html

[JuicedKangaroo]

At least Milos concedes that thong donning is an extreme 'sport' and doesn't pretend that it's healthy...

[Van_Bilderass]

The irony of Luke’s post

Sad what happened to him, seemed like a decent guy

I remember that post. It's positively absurd. Some guys you just see use "a lot" and Luke had obviously used enormous amounts of drugs.

The t3 wasn’t purchased in Thailand,Luke said himself that it was made by a friend of his in Australia that had a small underground lab operation in Australia.The guy was known to have a sound knowledge of chemistry and many top level ifbb amateurs down under used his products.Just goes to show no matter no matter how good a reputation a underground lab has it’s still hit and miss .Luke should have known better and used pharm grade only for fat burners:ancillaries etc

Alright, maybe I misremembered.

[Bevo]

I remember that post. It's positively absurd. Some guys you just see use "a lot" and Luke had obviously used enormous amounts of drugs.

Alright, maybe I misremembered.

In your opinion and just a guess, who really used “a little” in this thong war? Lee said he does Dillett, dexter?

I don’t think anyone used “a little” which is all relative

[Vince B]

In your opinion and just a guess, who really used “a little” in this thong war? Lee said he does Dillett, dexter?

I don’t think anyone used “a little” which is all relative

I used 2 Dianabol a day for 50 days a few times. That was it. No supplements except Vitamin C and B.

[anabolicguru]

I used 2 Dianabol a day for 50 days a few times. That was it. No supplements except Vitamin C and B.

Dallas McCarther said he only uses very little gear, but his autopsy said other wise, total test of 50000ng!  Ronnie coleman claimed natty,  Lee priest claims he only takes winny and dbol.  Yes, ifbb pros lie, and lie alot