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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Ron on August 07, 2020, 08:14:00 AM
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So with Phil Heath officially entering the 2020 Olympia, the question will be -
Will Phil Heath take the Sandow back from Brandon Curry?
Does Brandon Curry even have a chance to keep the title?
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Phil's only issue was his expanding midsection. Other than that, he wasn't regressing from the perspective of injury.
Similar to Ronnie when he was the same age in 2004-2005. It was injuries that later got Ronnie, but as far as I know, Phil has no such injuries, so I think he can do well if he makes it a point to hold his midsection in on stage.
Basically, he has to incorporate midsection control in with his posing routine. Not to the extent that it dominates his thinking - but just as he would remember to keep his triceps flexed during posing, Phil needs to remember how his stomach looks from the judges' seats.
Lou Ferrigno had a similar problem when he came back to compete in 1993. In the 1970's, the "Standing Relaxed" pose MEANT TO STAND RELAXED. By the time Ferrigno returned, that had changed to become to pose standing relaxed, but with your muscles tensed.
In 2004, Ronnie was hopping around with his stomach hanging out, leading me to believe he never realized how it looked. On the footage from the Olympia, it looked particularly bad to see Ronnie come out, walking across the stage, lifting his hands up and down in the air, with his stomach completely hanging out. Even though I recall Chad Nicholls stating that he had Ronnie wear a weight belt between sets to get used to holding his stomach in. Maybe that belt had the opposite effect in practice.
Phil is a nice guy. I'm a big fan, and he gave me a lot of his time at expos in the past. I mean no disrespect to him, but as long as he can accept the fact that, well, we all age, and that his stomach has been the only issue [i.e., no injuries], and IF he comes in bang on from a conditioning standpoint [seldom a problem for Phil], he can indeed win again this year.
No issues there.
If he does win...then the question becomes: does he retire in a 3-way tie with Lee Haney and Ronnie Coleman for most Mr. Olympia wins, or does he go for #9?
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It'd be funny if got 4th place. He's kill himself on stage, lol
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So with Phil Heath officially entering the 2020 Olympia, the question will be -
Will Phil Heath take the Sandow back from Brandon Curry?
Does Brandon Curry even have a chance to keep the title?
Don't forget Flex Lewis
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Ron, any news on Shawn Rhoden? Is he still banned from competing?
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Ron, any news on Shawn Rhoden? Is he still banned from competing?
I would guess yes - once again, for not paying his IFBB Pro Card fee. ;D
But really - that's why he was banned. It was a good legal maneuver by the IFBB to use the Pro Card excuse after the fact. After all, we are at a time where there is pretty significant push-back against the #MeToo movement, and Shawn has extra protection, since he is Black. Although the N card is losing its clout as an excuse, especially since rioters decided to try to burn the USA to the ground based on a still image of a Minnesota police officer using a legal knee-hold to arrest a man who most likely was already dead from a Fentanyl overdose, where the force being used against this lowlife by the White police officer wasn't even known.
If I had to advise the IFBB on the matter, I would say that there would be a good chance that Rhoden would win a lawsuit against the IFBB if he was acquitted of the rape ex post facto [most likely] but was denied the revenue opportunity due to being banned without just cause.
And that would be costly - Rhoden could argue he is owed the Mr. Olympia winning purse on top of those funds being matched by a sponsor, as several Mr. Olympia winners had that same very deal with sponsors [Phil Heath, Jay Cutler, and Dexter Jackson with MuscleTech, for example].
So what do the super smart lawyers of the IFBB do? They ban Rhoden on the grounds of not paying his Pro Card fee that year. ;D LOL!
The IFBB's lawyers remind me of the high IQ Jewish lawyer "Big Gun Joe Adler" played by Richard Simmons in the 2009 movie "Extract":
LOL.
It's pretty easy to ban a bodybuilder from competing at the Mr. Olympia if he hasn't paid his Pro Card dues, and you don't tell him, and imply he is banned because he was being charged with rape. Rhoden probably thought it would be thousands in legal fees, and still with the possibility of not winning the case.
That was some really good lawyer work from the IFBB. :)
Also consider that when Rhoden won the Mr. Olympia in 2017, he beat Chris Dickerson's record for oldest age of a Mr. Olympia competitor. Both were 43 [Dickerson won in 1982], but Rhoden was a slightly older 43.
That makes Rhoden 46 this year. :o
Phil Heath is 40 right now [he will be 41 in December], so I think he has a chance, as long as he is not injured.
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I would guess yes - once again, for not paying his IFBB Pro Card fee. ;D
But really - that's why he was banned. It was a good legal maneuver by the IFBB to use the Pro Card excuse after the fact. After all, we are at a time where there is pretty significant push-back against the #MeToo movement, and Shawn has extra protection, since he is Black. Although the N card is losing its clout as an excuse, especially since rioters decided to try to burn the USA to the ground based on a still image of a Minnesota police officer using a legal knee-hold to arrest a man who most likely was already dead from a Fentanyl overdose, where the force being used against this lowlife by the White police officer wasn't even known.
If I had to advise the IFBB on the matter, I would say that there would be a good chance that Rhoden would win a lawsuit against the IFBB if he was acquitted of the rape ex post facto [most likely] but was denied the revenue opportunity due to being banned without just cause.
And that would be costly - Rhoden could argue he is owed the Mr. Olympia winning purse on top of those funds being matched by a sponsor, as several Mr. Olympia winners had that same very deal with sponsors [Phil Heath, Jay Cutler, and Dexter Jackson with MuscleTech, for example].
So what do the super smart lawyers of the IFBB do? They ban Rhoden on the grounds of not paying his Pro Card fee that year. ;D LOL!
The IFBB's lawyers remind me of the high IQ Jewish lawyer "Big Gun Joe Adler" played by Richard Simmons in the 2009 movie "Extract":
LOL.
It's pretty easy to ban a bodybuilder from competing at the Mr. Olympia if he hasn't paid his Pro Card dues, and you don't tell him, and imply he is banned because he was being charged with rape. Rhoden probably thought it would be thousands in legal fees, and still with the possibility of not winning the case.
That was some really good lawyer work from the IFBB. :)
Also consider that when Rhoden won the Mr. Olympia in 2017, he beat Chris Dickerson's record for oldest age of a Mr. Olympia competitor. Both were 43 [Dickerson won in 1982], but Rhoden was a slightly older 43.
That makes Rhoden 46 this year. :o
Phil Heath is 40 right now [he will be 41 in December], so I think he has a chance, as long as he is not injured.
So if he paid the pro card fee this year, he would be allowed to compete?
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he would've won in 2018 if the show was judged the same as any other show since the early 90's, he beat rhoden in most poses and would've done the same to curry if he brought the same look
for whatever reason they decided then that a gut should be penalized
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I hope he doesn't win. The "sport" is better off without him.
Then again, the last 3 Mr. O's have been complete lacklusters. At least Jay, Ronnie and Dorian were engaging and tried to be ambassadors.
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Phil's only issue was his expanding midsection. Other than that, he wasn't regressing from the perspective of injury.
Similar to Ronnie when he was the same age in 2004-2005. It was injuries that later got Ronnie, but as far as I know, Phil has no such injuries, so I think he can do well if he makes it a point to hold his midsection in on stage.
Basically, he has to incorporate midsection control in with his posing routine. Not to the extent that it dominates his thinking - but just as he would remember to keep his triceps flexed during posing, Phil needs to remember how his stomach looks from the judges' seats.
Lou Ferrigno had a similar problem when he came back to compete in 1993. In the 1970's, the "Standing Relaxed" pose MEANT TO STAND RELAXED. By the time Ferrigno returned, that had changed to become to pose standing relaxed, but with your muscles tensed.
In 2004, Ronnie was hopping around with his stomach hanging out, leading me to believe he never realized how it looked. On the footage from the Olympia, it looked particularly bad to see Ronnie come out, walking across the stage, lifting his hands up and down in the air, with his stomach completely hanging out. Even though I recall Chad Nicholls stating that he had Ronnie wear a weight belt between sets to get used to holding his stomach in. Maybe that belt had the opposite effect in practice.
Phil is a nice guy. I'm a big fan, and he gave me a lot of his time at expos in the past. I mean no disrespect to him, but as long as he can accept the fact that, well, we all age, and that his stomach has been the only issue [i.e., no injuries], and IF he comes in bang on from a conditioning standpoint [seldom a problem for Phil], he can indeed win again this year.
No issues there.
If he does win...then the question becomes: does he retire in a 3-way tie with Lee Haney and Ronnie Coleman for most Mr. Olympia wins, or does he go for #9?
Yup
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I hope he doesn't win. The "sport" is better off without him.
Then again, the last 3 Mr. O's have been complete lacklusters. At least Jay, Ronnie and Dorian were engaging and tried to be ambassadors.
I agree with this, he is bad for the sports image. I watch American Ninja Warrior Jr., the kids are AMAZING. At the end of each run, win or lose the kids enthusiastically hug and shake hands . . . Each are genuinely happy to win or to have been pushed to do better.
And we have Phil Heath.
J
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if phil's conditioning is on, and his alien gut under control he will easily defeat curry, one of the worst olympias of all time, right up there with cutler, and 81 columbo. and shawn "rapist" rhoden
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if phil's conditioning is on, and his alien gut under control he will easily defeat curry, one of the worst olympias of all time, right up there with cutler, and 81 columbo. and shawn "rapist" rhoden
And Dickerson.
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Whoever wins, it will be an awesome battle
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And Dickerson.
great point i forgot about him, 80 arnold as well, that show was rigged
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I hope he doesn't win. The "sport" is better off without him.
Then again, the last 3 Mr. O's have been complete lacklusters. At least Jay, Ronnie and Dorian were engaging and tried to be ambassadors.
no it isn't better off without him, nobody looks at curry or rhoden as legit champs just guys that had timing on their side
dorian engaging? i'm guessing you forget arnold bad mouthed him for winning and then disappearing in england until the next years contest
ronnie was always criticized for sounding like a moron, jay criticized for being a robot with no personality
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I would guess yes - once again, for not paying his IFBB Pro Card fee. ;D
But really - that's why he was banned. It was a good legal maneuver by the IFBB to use the Pro Card excuse after the fact. After all, we are at a time where there is pretty significant push-back against the #MeToo movement, and Shawn has extra protection, since he is Black. Although the N card is losing its clout as an excuse, especially since rioters decided to try to burn the USA to the ground based on a still image of a Minnesota police officer using a legal knee-hold to arrest a man who most likely was already dead from a Fentanyl overdose, where the force being used against this lowlife by the White police officer wasn't even known.
If I had to advise the IFBB on the matter, I would say that there would be a good chance that Rhoden would win a lawsuit against the IFBB if he was acquitted of the rape ex post facto [most likely] but was denied the revenue opportunity due to being banned without just cause.
And that would be costly - Rhoden could argue he is owed the Mr. Olympia winning purse on top of those funds being matched by a sponsor, as several Mr. Olympia winners had that same very deal with sponsors [Phil Heath, Jay Cutler, and Dexter Jackson with MuscleTech, for example].
So what do the super smart lawyers of the IFBB do? They ban Rhoden on the grounds of not paying his Pro Card fee that year. ;D LOL!
The IFBB's lawyers remind me of the high IQ Jewish lawyer "Big Gun Joe Adler" played by Richard Simmons in the 2009 movie "Extract":
LOL.
It's pretty easy to ban a bodybuilder from competing at the Mr. Olympia if he hasn't paid his Pro Card dues, and you don't tell him, and imply he is banned because he was being charged with rape. Rhoden probably thought it would be thousands in legal fees, and still with the possibility of not winning the case.
That was some really good lawyer work from the IFBB. :)
Also consider that when Rhoden won the Mr. Olympia in 2017, he beat Chris Dickerson's record for oldest age of a Mr. Olympia competitor. Both were 43 [Dickerson won in 1982], but Rhoden was a slightly older 43.
That makes Rhoden 46 this year. :o
Phil Heath is 40 right now [he will be 41 in December], so I think he has a chance, as long as he is not injured.
Fuck. Every post is an essay from you
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Phil takes it easily
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Finally a interesting Mr. Olympia coming up....
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The present or the past
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Heath will beat Curry.
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Heath will beat Curry.
no way Heath is finished !
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Curry 2 weeks before the 2019 Mr Olympia
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Fuck. Every post is an essay from you
Was just about to post that. I hate it when people quote his posts too, it makes it that much worse to scroll through. Him and Primes posts I don’t even read anymore. Could be the secret to life or the cure for cancer in there, I’d never know.
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That pic always makes me think of the Ghoulies films.
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no it isn't better off without him, nobody looks at curry or rhoden as legit champs just guys that had timing on their side
dorian engaging? i'm guessing you forget arnold bad mouthed him for winning and then disappearing in england until the next years contest
ronnie was always criticized for sounding like a moron, jay criticized for being a robot with no personality
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Yes it is better off without him. Who needs a whining purse carrying rep who spends all his time crying online over 'the haters'?
Arnold is free to bad mouth whoever, it doesn't mean he is right.
Ronnie may sound like a moron, but he has contributed more catch phrases and hardcore intensity training to the sport than anyone else. Jay may have the personality of a dead leaf, but at least he made a try at getting mainstream attention.
Phil has done none of that. Isn't he the first reigning Mr O that didn't have a contract or sponsor to his name when he competed? Even the rest of the industry aren't interested in him.
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The little guy Flex lewis looks better than either of them. But I think Curry is a nicer person than that idiot phil. I hope lewis wins.
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no way Heath is finished !
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He hasn’t been on a stage in 3 or more years. That shit takes its toll. He should go to the Rock’s contest and make a appearance there.
J
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Funny that we are here now. Back when Curry won the USA, I had stated on the MD board that structurally he was superior to Heath. If Brandon can come at his zenith, conditioning wise, I believe he’ll best Heath. Certain things will become overly apparent once they are side by side.
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That pic always makes me think of the Ghoulies films.
I see what you're saying, but I gotta admit that this pic reminds me of this...
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Was just about to post that. I hate it when people quote his posts too, it makes it that much worse to scroll through. Him and Primes posts I don’t even read anymore. Could be the secret to life or the cure for cancer in there, I’d never know.
I don't mind a long post, and for that matter, I don't really mind Matt in general. However:
*Matt, you tend to repeat yourself many times in a single post. A good editor, like me, could trim your content by an easy 50% on a single pass; and given more than a few minutes, I could help you communicate the same message with probably less than a fifth of your original verbiage :)
*You invariably divert the course of the conversation back to yourself. Denarii talked about incline pressing 90 kilos after a layoff. You brushed by that and immediately started speculating about your own strength loss, all the while pointing out you did 345 at a respectable bodyweight.
That me, me, me shit is another reason you're dismissed as an otherwise smart autist. As I've said before, I want to like you, broseph, but you keep shooting yourself in the foot :/
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I am very curious to see if Phil fixed his gut after the surgeries. If his waist is in check then I would say he will get his eighth Sandow. If not I see Curry getting his 2nd.
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PHIL is way better than curry, if the gut is down a bit Phil will win.
If the judges give it to Phil they should say that's it you got 8 now retire, because we don't need him around any longer, he's a bad mr O.... Insufferable personality.
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Yes it is better off without him. Who needs a whining purse carrying rep who spends all his time crying online over 'the haters'?
Arnold is free to bad mouth whoever, it doesn't mean he is right.
Ronnie may sound like a moron, but he has contributed more catch phrases and hardcore intensity training to the sport than anyone else. Jay may have the personality of a dead leaf, but at least he made a try at getting mainstream attention.
Phil has done none of that. Isn't he the first reigning Mr O that didn't have a contract or sponsor to his name when he competed? Even the rest of the industry aren't interested in him.
who forces you to follow phil online?
what did arnold say that was wrong about dorian? how was dorian a good ambassador for the sport? avoiding the spotlight and only showing up for the olympia is not promoting the sport, i don't think the magazines even liked putting him on the cover
ronnie was the dumb meathead stereotype that made bodybuilders look bad, he "promoted" the sport by making a fool out of himself on jay leno
how did jay try to go mainstream? beats by jay ???
you and others hate him and that is why more will watch the show this year, he's your villain and the villain is always interesting
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Funny that we are here now. Back when Curry won the USA, I had stated on the MD board that structurally he was superior to Heath. If Brandon can come at his zenith, conditioning wise, I believe he’ll best Heath. Certain things will become overly apparent once they are side by side.
he has no chance unless phil has hit the wall
too soft and upper body way overpowers his quads
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Heath wins because light skin black beats dark skin black
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Ron, any news on Shawn Rhoden? Is he still banned from competing?
Competing last I heard. If would have competed last year he would have beat Curry, he could beat Curry on any given day. If Kai doesn’t show up, he’ll win
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Competing last I heard. If would have competed last year he would have beat Curry, he could beat Curry on any given day. If Kai doesn’t show up, he’ll win
Any word if Hadi will be able to get a visa to compete?
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if they all come in shape... Heath, Rhoden and Lewis all beat Curry.
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Any word if Hadi will be able to get a visa to compete?
Man, with today’s travel restrictions I don’t see it happening
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Yes it is better off without him. Who needs a whining purse carrying rep who spends all his time crying online over 'the haters'?
Arnold is free to bad mouth whoever, it doesn't mean he is right.
Ronnie may sound like a moron, but he has contributed more catch phrases and hardcore intensity training to the sport than anyone else. Jay may have the personality of a dead leaf, but at least he made a try at getting mainstream attention.
Phil has done none of that. Isn't he the first reigning Mr O that didn't have a contract or sponsor to his name when he competed? Even the rest of the industry aren't interested in him.
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Spot on. 👍🏻
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Heath will win
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Heath was on the decline ... and he’s not competed in a few years.
I’m guessing he’d be wise to retire.
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Horrible legs like JOJ. Team Brandy Leaver.
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I would guess yes - once again, for not paying his IFBB Pro Card fee. ;D
But really - that's why he was banned. It was a good legal maneuver by the IFBB to use the Pro Card excuse after the fact. After all, we are at a time where there is pretty significant push-back against the #MeToo movement, and Shawn has extra protection, since he is Black. Although the N card is losing its clout as an excuse, especially since rioters decided to try to burn the USA to the ground based on a still image of a Minnesota police officer using a legal knee-hold to arrest a man who most likely was already dead from a Fentanyl overdose, where the force being used against this lowlife by the White police officer wasn't even known.
If I had to advise the IFBB on the matter, I would say that there would be a good chance that Rhoden would win a lawsuit against the IFBB if he was acquitted of the rape ex post facto [most likely] but was denied the revenue opportunity due to being banned without just cause.
And that would be costly - Rhoden could argue he is owed the Mr. Olympia winning purse on top of those funds being matched by a sponsor, as several Mr. Olympia winners had that same very deal with sponsors [Phil Heath, Jay Cutler, and Dexter Jackson with MuscleTech, for example].
So what do the super smart lawyers of the IFBB do? They ban Rhoden on the grounds of not paying his Pro Card fee that year. ;D LOL!
The IFBB's lawyers remind me of the high IQ Jewish lawyer "Big Gun Joe Adler" played by Richard Simmons in the 2009 movie "Extract":
LOL.
It's pretty easy to ban a bodybuilder from competing at the Mr. Olympia if he hasn't paid his Pro Card dues, and you don't tell him, and imply he is banned because he was being charged with rape. Rhoden probably thought it would be thousands in legal fees, and still with the possibility of not winning the case.
That was some really good lawyer work from the IFBB. :)
Also consider that when Rhoden won the Mr. Olympia in 2017, he beat Chris Dickerson's record for oldest age of a Mr. Olympia competitor. Both were 43 [Dickerson won in 1982], but Rhoden was a slightly older 43.
That makes Rhoden 46 this year. :o
Phil Heath is 40 right now [he will be 41 in December], so I think he has a chance, as long as he is not injured.
Anyone else skip this post entirely? LOL :)
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With Phil, Kai and Shawn returning it will be an exciting show. Plus Ronnie, Levrone and Flex Wheeler all coming back to teach those middle aged men how it’s done. Then factor in up and coming youngsters like Dallas McCarver, Luke Sandoe and Nick Trigili and this will go down like Survivor All-Stars: GenX vs Gen Y vs Millenials!! Can’t wait!
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Anyone else skip this post entirely? LOL :)
I skip all his novels.
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who forces you to follow phil online?
what did arnold say that was wrong about dorian? how was dorian a good ambassador for the sport? avoiding the spotlight and only showing up for the olympia is not promoting the sport, i don't think the magazines even liked putting him on the cover
ronnie was the dumb meathead stereotype that made bodybuilders look bad, he "promoted" the sport by making a fool out of himself on jay leno
how did jay try to go mainstream? beats by jay ???
you and others hate him and that is why more will watch the show this year, he's your villain and the villain is always interesting
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Who said I followed him online? Just because you do as his little fanboy, it doesn't mean everyone else does.
Heath couldn't hold Jay, Ronnie or Dorian's jockstrap. They sure wouldn't let his thieving ass hold their jewelry either.
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how did jay try to go mainstream? beats by jay ???
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Beats by Jay haha! ;D
to Cutler's credit he has minted millions from his career and smart investments, several times over. probably the richest bodybuilder since Arnold (net worth of $30m)? well over Ronnie from my speculation.
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Phil should have no problem with him. He will destroy him in the legs.
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Who said I followed him online? Just because you do as his little fanboy, it doesn't mean everyone else does.
Heath couldn't hold Jay, Ronnie or Dorian's jockstrap. They sure wouldn't let his thieving ass hold their jewelry either.
why are you whining about his "drama" online if you don't follow him? i'm not a fanboy i'm just sick of the criticism he gets when he is no worse than 3rd all time, it's like the lebron hate from fans just shut up already sports are not personality contests
his best would definitely beat any version of jay
he would beat dorian in 92, 94, 96, and 97 for sure
he would beat ronnie in 2001 and 2002
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why are you whining about his "drama" online if you don't follow him? i'm not a fanboy i'm just sick of the criticism he gets when he is no worse than 3rd all time, it's like the lebron hate from fans just shut up already sports are not personality contests
his best would definitely beat any version of jay
he would beat dorian in 92, 94, 96, and 97 for sure
he would beat ronnie in 2001 and 2002
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Yes fanboy, if you say so.
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With Phil, Kai and Shawn returning it will be an exciting show. Plus Ronnie, Levrone and Flex Wheeler all coming back to teach those middle aged men how it’s done. Then factor in up and coming youngsters like Dallas McCarver, Luke Sandoe and Nick Trigili and this will go down like Survivor All-Stars: GenX vs Gen Y vs Millenials!! Can’t wait!
Bro...
;D
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Yes fanboy, if you say so.
yes hater, i am right
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I would guess yes - once again, for not paying his IFBB Pro Card fee. ;D
But really - that's why he was banned. It was a good legal maneuver by the IFBB to use the Pro Card excuse after the fact. After all, we are at a time where there is pretty significant push-back against the #MeToo movement, and Shawn has extra protection, since he is Black. Although the N card is losing its clout as an excuse, especially since rioters decided to try to burn the USA to the ground based on a still image of a Minnesota police officer using a legal knee-hold to arrest a man who most likely was already dead from a Fentanyl overdose, where the force being used against this lowlife by the White police officer wasn't even known.
If I had to advise the IFBB on the matter, I would say that there would be a good chance that Rhoden would win a lawsuit against the IFBB if he was acquitted of the rape ex post facto [most likely] but was denied the revenue opportunity due to being banned without just cause.
And that would be costly - Rhoden could argue he is owed the Mr. Olympia winning purse on top of those funds being matched by a sponsor, as several Mr. Olympia winners had that same very deal with sponsors [Phil Heath, Jay Cutler, and Dexter Jackson with MuscleTech, for example].
So what do the super smart lawyers of the IFBB do? They ban Rhoden on the grounds of not paying his Pro Card fee that year. ;D LOL!
The IFBB's lawyers remind me of the high IQ Jewish lawyer "Big Gun Joe Adler" played by Richard Simmons in the 2009 movie "Extract":
LOL.
It's pretty easy to ban a bodybuilder from competing at the Mr. Olympia if he hasn't paid his Pro Card dues, and you don't tell him, and imply he is banned because he was being charged with rape. Rhoden probably thought it would be thousands in legal fees, and still with the possibility of not winning the case.
That was some really good lawyer work from the IFBB. :)
Also consider that when Rhoden won the Mr. Olympia in 2017, he beat Chris Dickerson's record for oldest age of a Mr. Olympia competitor. Both were 43 [Dickerson won in 1982], but Rhoden was a slightly older 43.
That makes Rhoden 46 this year. :o
Phil Heath is 40 right now [he will be 41 in December], so I think he has a chance, as long as he is not injured.
He looks more GENE Simmons than Richard Simmons.
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why are you whining about his "drama" online if you don't follow him? i'm not a fanboy i'm just sick of the criticism he gets when he is no worse than 3rd all time, it's like the lebron hate from fans just shut up already sports are not personality contests
his best would definitely beat any version of jay
he would beat dorian in 92, 94, 96, and 97 for sure
he would beat ronnie in 2001 and 2002
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Opinions Vary - Not a Chance Phil would’ve beaten 2009 Jay.
Also as Time moves on you would expect the newest Mr Olympia’s to be better than
Those of yesteryears Wouldn’t you - > Progress it’s called 🙄
No doubt Phil had a great physique at times mainly in his 1st few yrs as Mr Olympia.
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Opinions Vary - Not a Chance Phil would’ve beaten 2009 Jay.
Also as Time moves on you would expect the newest Mr Olympia’s to be better than
Those of yesteryears Wouldn’t you - > Progress it’s called 🙄
No doubt Phil had a great physique at times mainly in his 1st few yrs as Mr Olympia.
what was so special about 2009 jay? other than that NON MANDATORY quad stomp pose? he brought conditioning that phil brings every year only phil has a dense and detailed back while jay has wrinkles, what poses does jay win other than abs and thighs?
as for progress every sport has many people dwelling on the past, we have basketball fans today that think larry bird was better than lebron
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what was so special about 2009 jay? other than that NON MANDATORY quad stomp pose? he brought conditioning that phil brings every year only phil has a dense and detailed back while jay has wrinkles, what poses does jay win other than abs and thighs?
as for progress every sport has many people dwelling on the past, we have basketball fans today that think larry bird was better than lebron
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Like I Previously said Opinions Vary.
You like Heaths physique good for you.
He has some outstanding body parts for sure overall for Me his best doesn't stack up
Against Prime Dorian / Ronnie / Jay. & I could add a few more from the 90’s to early 2000’s
Who cares - Lets see how he looks at this years Mr O as that’s what matters as to where
He will place.
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what was so special about 2009 jay? other than that NON MANDATORY quad stomp pose? he brought conditioning that phil brings every year only phil has a dense and detailed back while jay has wrinkles, what poses does jay win other than abs and thighs?
as for progress every sport has many people dwelling on the past, we have basketball fans today that think larry bird was better than lebron
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I get where your coming from in regards too Any version of Cutler beating a prime heath I’m not sure it’s a structural issue or height issue in regards Heath when comparing him too others like Coleman, Yates etc, thinking out of square I think a Phil Heath @ 5ft 11 could be a totally different perspective when lining him up against the other bb greats whatever the case there’s no debate he is the best of his era hands down.
His 2011 version could push anyone in history right too the brink (structural/height) regardless...but a 5ft 11 Phil Heath with the same conditioning/shape/size could probably have beaten them all.
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I get where your coming from in regards too Any version of Cutler beating a prime heath I’m not sure it’s a structural issue or height issue in regards Heath when comparing him too others like Coleman, Yates etc, thinking out of square I think a Phil Heath @ 5ft 11 could be a totally different perspective when lining him up against the other bb greats whatever the case there’s no debate he is the best of his era hands down.
His 2011 version could push anyone in history right too the brink (structural/height) regardless...but a 5ft 11 Phil Heath with the same conditioning/shape/size could probably have beaten them all.
“IF” only Phil is nowhere near 5ft 11in he’s more likely 5ft 7 - 8 at best.
And IF your aunty had Balls she’d be your uncle.
“If” I got all the Lottery No.s I’d be a multi millionaire - “IF”
👍🏻 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
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yes hater, i am right
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Only in your own mind Heath sniffer. Obviously the fact most people see Phil as the second rate mr. O that he is leaves you all butt hurt.
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Only in your own mind Heath sniffer. Obviously the fact most people see Phil as the second rate mr. O that he is leaves you all butt hurt.
you guys turn bodybuilding into a personality contest the same way women do for an election rather than going by the actual facts, so who here is really butt hurt?
this is only getting beat by ronnie, that's it the facts don't care about your feelings :-*
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Like I Previously said Opinions Vary.
You like Heaths physique good for you.
He has some outstanding body parts for sure overall for Me his best doesn't stack up
Against Prime Dorian / Ronnie / Jay. & I could add a few more from the 90’s to early 2000’s
Who cares - Lets see how he looks at this years Mr O as that’s what matters as to where
He will place.
there are plenty of youtube comparison videos where phil beats both jay and dorian
who else from the 90's and early 2000's beats him?
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“IF” only Phil is nowhere near 5ft 11in he’s more likely 5ft 7 - 8 at best.
And IF your aunty had Balls she’d be your uncle.
“If” I got all the Lottery No.s I’d be a multi millionaire - “IF”
👍🏻 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
settle down settle down your response is what I’d expect of a 16 year old not a mature man like you said opinions are varied it was a hypothetical response too a common enology in a age old debate of eras while on the subject of opinions in regards too facts instead of hypothetical Both Lee Haney and Coleman are better than Heath and the rest however there’s a million opinions that say otherwise
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there are plenty of youtube comparison videos where phil beats both jay and dorian
who else from the 90's and early 2000's beats him?
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If a prime Aaron Baker got his shit together, he could stand next to Heath and do well
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If a prime Aaron Baker got his shit together, he could stand next to Heath and do well
he didn't and he wouldn't
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settle down settle down your response is what I’d expect of a 16 year old not a mature man like you said opinions are varied it was a hypothetical response too a common enology in a age old debate of eras while on the subject of opinions in regards too facts instead of hypothetical Both Lee Haney and Coleman are better than Heath and the rest however there’s a million opinions that say otherwise
WTF are you Waffling on about. ??
Tough luck if you didn’t like my reply. Also I give Zero Fucks as to what you Expect of Me.
Do you Know Me ? No & Do I know you ? No - So don’t expect anything from Me as I don’t from you.
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Oh dear...not sure what type of meds your taking my friend but you have a good day just remember there’s always hope don’t give up there’s help out here :-*
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Oh dear...not sure what type of meds your taking my friend but you have a good day just remember there’s always hope don’t give up there’s help out here :-*
You worry about yourself & you’re own Meds.
There’s just as much help out there for you also you just have to go Find it.
I wish you Luck.
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2009;cutler,98,99,Coleman,91 Haney,92,93,95 Yates are pretty much better.
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Phil should have no problem with him. He will destroy him in the legs.
And Back and Arms
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Phil Heath is a failed, washed up has been. Not too many people would care to support, cheer on, or watch a failed has been compete in a show
Failed Mr. Olympian
Failed step father
Failed supplement company owner
Failed sponsored “athlete”
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you guys turn bodybuilding into a personality contest the same way women do for an election rather than going by the actual facts, so who here is really butt hurt?
this is only getting beat by ronnie, that's it the facts don't care about your feelings :-*
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=667689.0;attach=1263709;image)
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Looks near flawless there but Id add 1993 and 1995 Yates too the equation
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2009;cutler,98,99,Coleman,91 Haney,92,93,95 Yates are pretty much better.
haney? 92 yates? ::)
at least the rest are debatable
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Phil Heath is a failed, washed up has been. Not too many people would care to support, cheer on, or watch a failed has been compete in a show
Failed Mr. Olympian
Failed step father
Failed supplement company owner
Failed sponsored “athlete”
what is a failed mr. olympian? not tying the record by winning it 8 times?
failed step father? what does that mean? he didn't spend enough money he earned on another dudes kids? a good step father is a total beta lets be real here
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a good step father is a total beta lets be real here
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Truth.
You know what’s so damn weird. Getbig has been saying this truth stuff for freaking 20 years or more now and now you have the red pill and all this other stuff the last few years and it’s been here for way longer.
I think even the term “owned” originated from Getbig.
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Phil Heath is a failed, washed up has been. Not too many people would care to support, cheer on, or watch a failed has been compete in a show
Failed Mr. Olympian
Failed step father
Failed supplement company owner
Failed sponsored “athlete”
Can't forget this classic post:
Phil is a real winner
Used his wife's cancer to further his career then dumped her
Abandoned his step son
Harassed and threatened and lied about a gym receptionist
Insulted police officers then deleted his insults
Photo shops his pics
Steps over the line on stage
Talks on his phone and texts takes selfies in workouts
Has his mom defend him online
Is proud about thinking he's the only bodybuilder with trading cards when it's been done before him
Looks diabetic
Talks to hammer strength incline press machines
Mangy bald spots on head
Narrow shoulders
Bird chest
Overdeveloped arms
Failed supplement company owner
Effeminate voice
Has done nothing to further bodybuilding
Lives in a shit hole
Hated by fans worldwide
No one goes to his after party
Not respected by other bodybuilder
A piece of fucking shit
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Looks near flawless there but Id add 1993 and 1995 Yates too the equation
Too and to.
Look into it.
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what is a failed mr. olympian? not tying the record by winning it 8 times?
failed step father? what does that mean? he didn't spend enough money he earned on another dudes kids? a good step father is a total beta lets be real here
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Who did Phil beat those 8 times? A wrecked Cutler? Aging Dexter? Over hyped Wolf, Cedric and Ramy? The only quality competitor he "beat" was Kia. And he had to cheat with stepping 3 feet over the line to do that. The champ is only as good as the competition.
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Who did Phil beat those 8 times? A wrecked Cutler? Aging Dexter? Over hyped Wolf, Cedric and Ramy? The only quality competitor he "beat" was Kia. And he had to cheat with stepping 3 feet over the line to do that. The champ is only as good as the competition.
Phil Heath is the Lance Armstrong of bodybuilding. Won a lot but is/was an asshole and nobody likes him, haha.
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Who did Phil beat those 8 times? A wrecked Cutler? Aging Dexter? Over hyped Wolf, Cedric and Ramy? The only quality competitor he "beat" was Kia. And he had to cheat with stepping 3 feet over the line to do that. The champ is only as good as the competition.
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Though it wasn’t his Fault the Competition wasn’t very good.
As much as I dislike him.
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Who did Phil beat those 8 times? A wrecked Cutler? Aging Dexter? Over hyped Wolf, Cedric and Ramy? The only quality competitor he "beat" was Kia. And he had to cheat with stepping 3 feet over the line to do that. The champ is only as good as the competition.
But who did Lee Haney beat? Lee Labrada who was 50 pounds lighter. Rich Gaspari who was genetically inferior. Gary Strydom who had no back development. Mike Christian who had weak legs. A young Shawn Ray who was short and narrow.
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But who did Lee Haney beat? Lee Labrada who was 50 pounds lighter. Rich Gaspari who was genetically inferior. Gary Strydom who had no back development. Mike Christian who had weak legs. A young Shawn Ray who was short and narrow.
Not sure the point of this as it is irrelevant. Haney can't be criticized for his height and mass just because other competitors were shorter and smaller. Heath is not taller, heavier or bigger than his counterparts - actually with a few exceptions, they all seem to be the standard 5'5"-5'10", 2XX lbs mold. The fact that Heath stands out from the group shows how shallow the pool is. The pros now days are nothing of note compared to how the competition was in the previous generation. I can go back and tell you the top 5 placings are the Mr O that Haney, Dorian and most of the ones Ronnie won.
I can't tell you who came in 2nd place in the past 10 Mr. O's. Simply because they are lackluster.
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But who did Lee Haney beat? Lee Labrada who was 50 pounds lighter. Rich Gaspari who was genetically inferior. Gary Strydom who had no back development. Mike Christian who had weak legs. A young Shawn Ray who was short and narrow.
To haneys credit the guys that finished 2nd thru were usually on top of there game ,same with Yates and Coleman’s era.
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Who did Phil beat those 8 times? A wrecked Cutler? Aging Dexter? Over hyped Wolf, Cedric and Ramy? The only quality competitor he "beat" was Kia. And he had to cheat with stepping 3 feet over the line to do that. The champ is only as good as the competition.
what difference does it make who he beat? you saw the pics, nobody other than ronnie is beating that, maybe dorian in 93 but definitely not the other years
you can argue ronnie's competition wasn't the best other than jay for most of his reign with guys like gustavo badell, gunther, and pre prime dexter, that's a silly reason to criticize the wins when anybody with two eyes can see not many guys in history can beat that in a show
kai would probably beat most 90's guys and i hate his body, as ugly as his body is it's very complete in the mandatories
dexter in the early part of last decade was just as good as he ever was, which was better than shawn ray as he and most have pointed out
shawn rhoden would've been an elite guy in the 90's
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To haneys credit the guys that finished 2nd thru were usually on top of there game ,same with Yates and Coleman’s era.
they had better looking bodies in the 90's, that doesn't make them better bodybuilders than phil's era, and by the time ronnie's era started all of the 90's guys were past their prime aside from maybe flex in 98 and 99 but then you can say he had too much oil
and yes haney's competition sucked, he finally got some competition in 91 and then quit
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