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https://www.chaosandpain.com/tips/just-how-badly-do-you-want-to-win-not-as-badly-as-pete-grymkowski-did/
“WAYNE DEMELIA WAS GOING NUTS LOOKING FOR ME. HE FOUND ME IN MY HOTEL ROOM, AS I WAS “GETTING READY FOR THE SHOW.” YOU KNOW HOW I WAS GETTING READY? WITH FOUR OR SIX IV’S OF STEROIDS RUNNING INTO MY VEINS, SIMULTANEOUSLY. THAT WAS MY TRAINING! I HAD A SUITCASE FULL OF DRUGS. GUYS ASKED IF I WAS SELLING. “SELLING?” HELL NO, THIS WAS ALL FOR ME. IN A FEW DAYS, IT’D ALL BE GONE!”
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um yeah sure
intravenous drugs administration. yeah sure ::)
guess he got all excited about the drugs and forgot to train legs
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um yeah sure
intravenous drugs administration. yeah sure ::)
guess he got all excited about the drugs and forgot to train legs
Did you read the article? That was tame, haha. And Grymkowski sure had legs. I saw him pose in Rochester years ago. He was a monster.
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Pete used huge amounts of drugs. In (Getbigger) Anabolic Outlaw's book he talks about going to a seminar where Grymkowski bragged that he hadn't done ab work in 6 months even though he was totally ripped with deep abs.
On a side note since you posted something from Jamie Lewis's site: he has been melting down over conservatives, red state meth heads, Christians, etc, etc, in recent articles on his site. I'm sure he saw what was posted on getbig about his gay porn past. He seems to be coming unglued.
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Pete used huge amounts of drugs. In (Getbigger) Anabolic Outlaw's book he talks about going to a seminar where Grymkowski bragged that he hadn't done ab work in 6 months even though he was totally ripped with deep abs.
On a side note since you posted something from Jamie Lewis's site: he has been melting down over conservatives, red state meth heads, Christians, etc, etc, in recent articles on his site. I'm sure he saw what was posted on getbig about his gay porn past. He seems to be coming unglued.
Did he take it in the ass? Or was he pitching?
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Grymko don't lie.
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https://www.chaosandpain.com/tips/just-how-badly-do-you-want-to-win-not-as-badly-as-pete-grymkowski-did/
“WAYNE DEMELIA WAS HOLDING HIS NUTS TIGHTLY AND LOOKING FOR ME. HE FOUND ME IN MY HOTEL ROOM BATHED IN MY OWN URINE AS I WAS “GETTING READY FOR THE SHOW.” YOU KNOW HOW I WAS GETTING READY? WITH FOUR OR SIX ASIAN GUYS COMING INTO MY ANUS SIMULTANEOUSLY. THAT WAS MY TRAINING! I HAD A SUITCASE FULL OF DILDOS, BEADS, LIVE GERBILS, AND CLEAN UNDERWEAR, JUST IN CASE. GUYS ASKED IF I WAS SELLING MY ASS AND MOUTH FOR PROFIT. “SELLING?” HELL NO, THIS WAS ALL FOR ME. IN A FEW DAYS, ALL OF MY ANAL LINING BE GONE!”
The original version.....
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The original version.....
Owwww!
I notice some accounts of Pete's drugs, eating and training are in conflict. In one story, he says his girlfriend, a McDonald's worker, saved all of the leftovers for Pete to scarf down every morning. No mention of dumpster diving. In another, he slept under a boardwalk all day, not on the gym roof.
Maybe he did all of the above. I dunno? What gives me pause is his reputed drug intake and his training poundages. 540 inclines? 500 pound behind neck presses? 100 sets per muscle? 10 grams of gear daily?
He was a huge, strong guy, but this stuff is science fiction.
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Grymko don't lie but he exaggerates.
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The original version.....
Project much? lol You and Abraham need to get a room.
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(https://i.redd.it/rofa50qb3zk51.jpg)
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Bodybuilding is all drugs period. Guys look like garbage once completely clean. The whole sport is a lie.
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Pete sounds like a straight shooter. So listen to what he says in this video. Lots of good stories here, especially about the history of Golds Gym.
https://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/topic/305566-insane-steroid-interview-with-old-school-bodybuilder-pete-grymkowski/
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Dave Palumbo interviewed him and he was candid- 10,000mgs a week. He’d take entire bottles (100 tabs ) of winstrol a day.
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(https://i.redd.it/rofa50qb3zk51.jpg)
This bottom replaced his (Mom's) lawn with green carpet after growing jealous of its' chemical dependence.
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Dave Palumbo interviewed him and he was candid- 10,000mgs a week. He’d take entire bottles (100 tabs ) of winstrol a day.
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I didn't look at the article but Pete has claimed he did 14,000mg of steroids a DAY for a few weeks. That's a HUNDRED GRAMS A WEEK. It's BS. I think he said he ordered whole pallets of steroid bottles for a cycle, thousands of bottles. It's just not possible.
I'm pretty sure there has never been an anabolic steroid IV ever produced, never heard of it anyway, never seen it mentioned in any study either. I know there are corticosteroid IVs but we are talking microgram or a few milligram a day amounts.
I know tommywishbone here, who has been around and knows his shit, says no one ever did 10 Anadrol a day. I know for a fact that it's possible and has been done but here we are talking about a guy who did 20 - 30 times that. Think about it, dude can't count or is just a liar.
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He's talking smack, exaggerating the dosages, clearly he must have been a heavy user if he makes out this way but there's only so much gear you can inject....
Also anabolic steroid via IV is clearly nonsense.
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yes grymko used ALOT. he actually was part of a study on anabolic use. They used him (and he used them for free roids) They tried all different types and doses and monitored him sometimes in a concrete room with radiation of some type to check his body composition and other things. he was using them under doctors or medical personal advice. But later he used them on his own and used alot. Pete was huge back in the day probably the first guy to actually compete at over 240 lbs ( even arnold was only 235 or so in competition shape) promotors and mags didnt like to cover grymko cuz they all knew about the huge amount of drugs he was taking. he was basically a walking supervised chemical experiment. Now days hes just a pot head. ( a rich pot head but a pot head none the less)
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He looks amazing, a true legend of the sport
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Pete sounds like a straight shooter. So listen to what he says in this video. Lots of good stories here, especially about the history of Golds Gym.
https://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/topic/305566-insane-steroid-interview-with-old-school-bodybuilder-pete-grymkowski/
Grymko must have had cosmetic surgery.
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Anyone ever heard what the standard dbol usage was in the golden era?
It seems like the common compounds were dbol and primo or deca.
The guys says they used 10-15 mg dbol a day and 1 shot of primo (100 mg) a week.
Using the common conversion rate for bodybuilder claimed dosage vs true dosage, I work this out to:
100-150 mg a day dbol and 1000 mg a week primo/deca
I reckon they were more heavy into tablets in those days vs injects.
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Anyone ever heard what the standard dbol usage was in the golden era?
It seems like the common compounds were dbol and primo or deca.
The guys says they used 10-15 mg dbol a day and 1 shot of primo (100 mg) a week.
Using the common conversion rate for bodybuilder claimed dosage vs true dosage, I work this out to:
100-150 mg a day dbol and 1000 mg a week primo/deca
I reckon they were more heavy into tablets in those days vs injects.
It's been said Oliva ate handfuls of dbol. Larry Scott also took a lot and his hair began to fall out and he had massive headaches which led him to retire. The guys I knew were stacking either dbol or anadrol-50 or anavar with deca durabolin and equipoise. Some used test but only a few. I don't know how much they took though. The smart guys got pretty good advices from the experienced bodybuilders. Dosages were all over the map for others. Some guys would have bad acne all over. Gross. In those days most guys only used leading up to a show for 6-8 weeks. Then off for maybe a year or forever. Not like the idiots of today who stay on all the time which is really dumb.
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It's been said Oliva ate handfuls of dbol. Larry Scott also took a lot and his hair began to fall out and he had massive headaches which led him to retire. The guys I knew were stacking either dbol or anadrol-50 or anavar with deca durabolin and equipoise. Some used test but only a few. I don't know how much they took though. The smart guys got pretty good advices from the experienced bodybuilders. Dosages were all over the map for others. Some guys would have bad acne all over. Gross. In those days most guys only used leading up to a show for 6-8 weeks. Then off for maybe a year or forever. Not like the idiots of today who stay on all the time which is really dumb.
Dianabol and Anadrol-50 stacked? My liver hurts reading that.
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yep olivia would dump them into his hand until "it looked about right" lol. its been rumored arnold did it that way also. Never heard of anyone running dball and a50 together though. some may have . Test was only used by powerlifters for the most part. And yes most only used to grow "into" a show. (but this was after they used them to get big originally.) they learned how their body responded to each one. Arnold would look thin until 3 months or so before a contest then he would "blow up" But nowdays look. guys dying all the time. most are bald. guts so huge. and none of them even come close to looking as good as big and as healthy as the guys from the 70s and 80s.
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Anyone ever heard what the standard dbol usage was in the golden era?
It seems like the common compounds were dbol and primo or deca.
The guys says they used 10-15 mg dbol a day and 1 shot of primo (100 mg) a week.
Using the common conversion rate for bodybuilder claimed dosage vs true dosage, I work this out to:
100-150 mg a day dbol and 1000 mg a week primo/deca
I reckon they were more heavy into tablets in those days vs injects.
Doctor Robert Kerr, who was an early steroid researcher offered the following anecdotes in his 1982 book. Numbers were all over the map -
" Sometimes on the road to winning the athlete will be tempted to use anything and everything in order to reach his or her goals. Sixteen years ago, with no real medical guidance, the power lifters and particularly body builders, took literally "anything and everything" that they felt might give them some gains. At a popular southland weight training center some 15 or 16 years ago, the "usual" dose of anabolic steroids recommended to the novice, not by the gym management, but by other body builders was 100 Dianabol tablets, 100 Anavar tablets and perhaps 40 or 50 Anadrol tablets per day!
Can you imagine that? I'll bet that somewhere today someone is still taking similar amounts of medication with no more gains, I'll wager, than those on sensible doses. I spoke once to a world class competitor who admitted to me that he once felt it necessary to take 1500 Dianabol tablets each day! Even with Dianabol at $5.00 a hundred in those days, that's ridiculous just from the price alone, forgetting the expected side-effects from this dose.
One current patient of mine confided in me that he had once found an old medical text of his grandfather's a few years ago in the garage. In that old physician's journal it mentioned the good effects of strychnine on muscle tissue. The grandson did not read that the text said smooth muscle, not skeletal muscle. He probably would not have recognized the difference in any regard, but a great difference there is. Up until twelve or so years ago, strychnine was sold for various medicinal remedies, impotency was one. My patient thought he had fallen into a long forgotten secret from the past and somehow purchased some strychnine tablets and started taking one a day. One of his work-out partners somehow was let in on the supposed secret, and as he wanted to be even bigger than his partner, he took two tablets a day. Another acquaintance discovered the plot and as he wished to be bigger than the other two, he took ten tablets a day! He apparently soon became quite ill and the causative agent was brought to light. The boy lived but all concerned learned a lesson through the Emergency Room physician about strychnine poisoning.
I admire the courage of the one lad in confiding to me his nearly serious error, but, as you can see, some people will do almost anything to reach their goals! "
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" This last year I received the routine laboratory reports back from one of my old patients. He had stated that he was feeling fine and was preparing for a contest, but the liver tests were grossly abnormal. The lab, after seeing the results, ran a test for viral hepatitis and this was read as normal. So, I asked the patient to come in and see me. I read from his chart that he was taking four Anavar tablets per day and 100 mg. of Deca-Durabolin each week. I told him that I couldn't really imagine how that dose could cause the liver picture present on the lab test.
I told him that I thought that he was taking much more than that dosage. He confessed that while training for the contest, he had been unable to train as often as he would have liked due to his job. He was taking fourteen Dianabol and fourteen Maxibolin tablets with Deca-Durabolin and testosterone cypionate in rather large doses intramuscularly each day. No wonder his liver reacted!
After halting all the medication for one week, the liver tests returned to normal. They remained normal after he later returned to the Anavar and Deca-Durabolin dosage. He learned a lesson don't fool with mother nature by using too many steroidal drugs. "
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Also, as an aside, Kerr was Duchaine early source for various things. If Kerr understood Duchaine's logic, he'd get the stuff for him. If not, then he wouldn't.
This relates to Grymkowski, because once he and Duchaine tried to get Nolvadex from Kerr, but Kerr didn't understand the thinking. Instead, Grymko had to go to a gay doctor named Jekot, who was very playful ;). I don't think anything too bad happened, but Duchaine accidentally told the story in MM2K, and it struck me funny.
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^Robert Kerr is an idiot. No one took 1500 tabs per day. How stupid can you get. And this is supposed to be a doctor.
I know someone who took 300 Dianabols in a day but that experiment lasted only one day because he got so sick - 1500 is just ridiculous.
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Also, as an aside, Kerr was Duchaine early source for various things. If Kerr understood Duchaine's logic, he'd get the stuff for him. If not, then he wouldn't.
This relates to Grymkowski, because once he and Duchaine tried to get Nolvadex from Kerr, but Kerr didn't understand the thinking. Instead, Grymko had to go to a gay doctor named Jekot, who was very playful ;). I don't think anything too bad happened, but Duchaine accidentally told the story in MM2K, and it struck me funny.
Duchaine had a lot of funny stories in MM2K. That was a ground breaking mag when it came out.
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^Robert Kerr is an idiot. No one took 1500 tabs per day. How stupid can you get. And this is supposed to be a doctor.
I know someone who took 300 Dianabols in a day but that experiment lasted only one day because he got so sick - 1500 is just ridiculous.
Sure, but I posted just to reference the numbers that were showing up in writing even back then. I have a couple of other early "Big" steroid books from that era, I'll look and see if any other numbers were thrown out.
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Dianabol and Anadrol-50 stacked? My liver hurts reading that.
No, that's not what I meant. I meant one or the other.
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Sure, but I posted just to reference the numbers that were showing up in writing even back then. I have a couple of other early "Big" steroid books from that era, I'll look and see if any other numbers were thrown out.
Yeah I said it for the inexperienced guys here who might believe these stories. I mean tommywishbone thought 10 Anadrols a day is impossible though I know it has been done. But here is a doctor who thinks 50 Anadrols on top of 100 Anavar and 100 Dianabol sounds believable, not just for one day but for a stretch of time. Anyone can test this out by taking 10 Anadrols a day for a week and then give their opinion on whether the cycle above sounds real.
Billy Mimnaugh did some crazy shit but I doubt even he would believe that cycle.
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No, one or the other.
I did some experimenting early on and for me adding Anadrol to Dbol didn't add much. A little extra strength maybe. The liver could handle the combo fine if dosages and length of cycle was reasonable though, say 150mg total.
Dianabol for me pretty much topped out at 60mg, and I tried as much as 200mg. Maybe I didn't do enough to really see what it could do, like the fella who did 7,500mg per day according Kerr :D
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It's all foolish. Train natural or find another hobby.
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Bodybuilding is all drugs period. Guys look like garbage once completely clean. The whole sport is a lie.
So true.....Train hard drug free, eat good and be happy with whatever level you reach.
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It's all foolish. Train natural or find another hobby.
Exactly.The notion that bodybuilding is supposed to be a healthy activity is lost on many.
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I did some experimenting early on and for me adding Anadrol to Dbol didn't add much. A little extra strength maybe. The liver could handle the combo fine if dosages and length of cycle was reasonable though, say 150mg total.
Dianabol for me pretty much topped out at 60mg, and I tried as much as 200mg. Maybe I didn't do enough to really see what it could do, like the fella who did 7,500mg per day according Kerr :D
Maybe you need to experiment for us lol.
I've got a tub of 500 x 10 mg blue Thai dbols from the old stash. I'm thinking just to use it up with a high dose cycle or 2 and forget about roids after that.
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I can't imagine taking so many orals, once you get up to 100mg of Dbol per day you can feel it in your stomach.
There is no way this guy took thousands of MG of injections per day, you don't have enough space in your muscles for that much oil; hell just shooting 3-4k per week you have to utilize a lot of different spots if you're taking short esters.
I've met some crazy people in the powerlifting world, most i heard someone admit to taking was 6g's of combined AAS per week. Mainly Test, Deca, EQ and Drol. The guy was a gorilla and looked like he might stroke out at anytime, but he was strong as hell. This one big guy who used to compete in strongman said he took 4-5g's of Test only per week, he said everything else was worthless.
I think it was Ryan Kennelly the "bench monster" who admitted to taking like 8 grams a week? Said it took decades off his life; i guess you feel that way after you lose everything and go to prison. I remember in some of his videos you could see the swelling in his deltoids from large injections.
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Peeps is crazy.
It takes certain genetics to survive a steroid assault like Grymko and Michalak.
Those guys took no prisoners.
Some people just go balls to the wall with no concern for tomorrow. Not recommended. Nuts. Not cool. Foolish.
It's crazy like playing Russian Roulette with your life, and for what? Nobody gives two sh*ts who won Mr. World or their class in the Mr. A.
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Hmm intravenous steroids eh? His friends thought he was selling when steroids were still legal eh?
Sounds legit.
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Peeps is crazy.
It takes certain genetics to survive a steroid assault like Grymko and Michalak.
Those guys took no prisoners.
Some people just go balls to the wall with no concern for tomorrow. Not recommended. Nuts. Not cool. Foolish.
It's crazy like playing Russian Roulette with your life, and for what? Nobody gives two sh*ts who won Mr. World or their class in the Mr. A.
Michalak must have had dinosaur genes to survive his training program as well.
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Also for what its worth ive heard quite a few times top pros stack dbol and anadrol together. Ive never taken anadrol and used dbol maybe 3-4 times and sporadically taken various pro hormones superdrol methylstenbolone couple designers and my experiences were all kind of the same. First week very little second and third weeks are unreal and im loving it 4th week um time to up the dosage? Fifth and sometimes sixth weeks im trying to catch whoever keeps breaking into my stash and swapping my good drugs for bunk ones. At that point out of sheer desperation ive added one oral or another rto the first to get things cooking again (too afraid ill shrink to drop the first) and ive always been let down. So im assuming thats how pros end up stacking the orals.
A story ive told before i vacationed with my family had to be 97 in lake tahoe and my step dad brought a buddy from work to help split the cost of the cabin. So this dude was still kind of jacked and the second i doubted his old gym stories from the 70s he produced from his wallet a picture of him (with hair) and Arnold. They looked like buddies. So anyway he was on a mission to convince me (i was 17 at the time) to never abuse steroids and he had heart problems now because of them gym buddies dropping like flies organ transplants all that bs. So he goes to tell me maybe if inused just a little id be ok but dont do it like he did and he says back then it was customary if yoj were a bber it was expected that when you had company there would be a large bowl a *full* large bowl of dianabol on a coffee table or similar like as you walk into hia house you casually grab a handful and chase em down with probably whisky. So he also says back then nobody knew how much to take it was all cutting edge lab rat stuff and he says everybody who worked out no matter how serious they were or werent no if it was your first workout in your life you took dianabol and when i asked how much he said a handful 3-4 times a day. He guessed he took 100 pills a day easy. Said arnold took twice as much (probably.)
I always wanted to know if he was telling the truth but he died a couple years later. Im still not 100% but i do believe he was an honest dude and he knew time was short and to be honest he was gung ho about my bodybuilding. He wanted me to be smart about it. Bless his heart.
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Maybe you need to experiment for us lol.
I've got a tub of 500 x 10 mg blue Thai dbols from the old stash. I'm thinking just to use it up with a high dose cycle or 2 and forget about roids after that.
I love those Thai dbols! they used to be my go to with tren... Used to be strong as fuck on em.
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The liver can take some serious abuse but some of these dianabol numbers are unsustainable,
also the negative effect on apetite would have made most of these guys hold back above 100mgs a day imo.
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I love those Thai dbols! they used to be my go to with tren... Used to be strong as fuck on em.
They were, are, great. I think he means the Danabol DS. Anabols were fantastic too, and there was Methandon out of Thailand as well that were top notch.
I have used thousands of each of these as well as half a dozen other Dianabols over 25 years and I'm still alive and liver values are in range. But I never tried 1500 tabs a day, not even a measly 100 tabs :D
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They were, are, great. I think he means the Danabol DS. Anabols were fantastic too, and there was Methandon out of Thailand as well that were top notch.
I have used thousands of each of these as well as half a dozen other Dianabols over 25 years and I'm still alive and liver values are in range. But I never tried 1500 tabs a day, not even a measly 100 tabs :D
Some of the best times of my life were the early anabol cycles, gaining 25 lbs of bloof in 4 weeks ;D
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I didn't look at the article but Pete has claimed he did 14,000mg of steroids a DAY for a few weeks. That's a HUNDRED GRAMS A WEEK. It's BS. I think he said he ordered whole pallets of steroid bottles for a cycle, thousands of bottles. It's just not possible.
I'm pretty sure there has never been an anabolic steroid IV ever produced, never heard of it anyway, never seen it mentioned in any study either. I know there are corticosteroid IVs but we are talking microgram or a few milligram a day amounts.
I know tommywishbone here, who has been around and knows his shit, says no one ever did 10 Anadrol a day. I know for a fact that it's possible and has been done but here we are talking about a guy who did 20 - 30 times that. Think about it, dude can't count or is just a liar.
well, you "can" shoot a lot of shit IV, provided it's water based (or even either PG/PPG? like valium is i believe? too lazy to check, but anyways)... in theory you could run test suspension or winstrol IV if it's filtered/diluted enough... technically, at least it's possible. even i don't think i'd risk the chance of an embolism. hell, back when i was kicking Nubain in 01, i was breaking open Benedryl capsules "cooking" 2 into about a cc of water, drawing up and injecting IV (without even filtering... i didn't even know about using a little balled up cotton swab to filter at that point), youd be surprised at when you can put in a vein and not just die straight away, kidneys gotta filter that shit though.
gotta consider a lot of what people believe about anabolics is just myth, still. so when guys like Bostin came out and talked about using 13g/wk people called him a liar and said he should be dead. same has gone for anadrol dosages. for years guys believed that if you took more than 100mg anadrol for any longer than 6 wks your liver would fail. Had ANY of them actually done any research, they'd find that 80lb anemic children can be prescribed 300-450mg/day for a MIN of 6-9months (yet underground bbing myth will have a healthy 220lb male bbers liver failing at 100mg for any longer than 6 wks.)
i dont doubt pete used a lot more than a lot of others, but i also dont think guys were as "scientific" with dosages back then. you'd always hear about Arnold saying "we'd debate taking 2 dbol tabs or 3"... dunno if i believe that shit, cuz guys like me or bostin or a thousand others where are curious and not really afraid of side effects (or just reckless) have been around forever and i'm sure Pete isn't the only guy who took anabolics by the "bottle" and not by the "milligram".... however i doubt he took "grams" of something like anadrol (was drol even around in the 70s??) 500mg/day sure, i can believe that... even a gram if he could stand it (some guys fuck up their appetites/stomachs/blood pressure)
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^Robert Kerr is an idiot. No one took 1500 tabs per day. How stupid can you get. And this is supposed to be a doctor.
I know someone who took 300 Dianabols in a day but that experiment lasted only one day because he got so sick - 1500 is just ridiculous.
id assume it'd be easier to throw those 300 dbol in a blender or food processor, mix'em with a shake and drink it rather than having a belly full of 300 hard tablets.
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Dianabol should be legal and over the counter.
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however i doubt he took "grams" of something like anadrol (was drol even around in the 70s??) 500mg/day sure, i can believe that... even a gram if he could stand it (some guys fuck up their appetites/stomachs/blood pressure)
Been around / in development since the late 50's at least, the earliest version was Parke Davis's Adroyd Tablets containing 2.5, 5, or 10 milligrams, circa 1960. Here's entry from the PDR of 1979 for Syntex's more common Anadrol 50 -
Anadrol 50 -
Dosage and Administration: The recommended daily dose in children and adults, 1-5 mg./kg. body weight per day. The usual effective dose is 1-2 mg./kg./day but higher doses may be required and the dose should be individualized. Response is not often immediate and a minimum trial of three to six months should be given. Following remission, some patients may be maintained without the drug; others may be maintained on an established lower daily dosage. A continued maintenance dose is usually necessary in patients with congenital aplastic anemia.
Availability: Anadrol-50 (oxymetholone) is available in bottles of 100 white scored tablets imprinted with the code "2902" and "Syntex".
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Doctor Robert Kerr, who was an early steroid researcher offered the following anecdotes in his 1982 book. Numbers were all over the map -
" Sometimes on the road to winning the athlete will be tempted to use anything and everything in order to reach his or her goals. Sixteen years ago, with no real medical guidance, the power lifters and particularly body builders, took literally "anything and everything" that they felt might give them some gains. At a popular southland weight training center some 15 or 16 years ago, the "usual" dose of anabolic steroids recommended to the novice, not by the gym management, but by other body builders was 100 Dianabol tablets, 100 Anavar tablets and perhaps 40 or 50 Anadrol tablets per day!
Can you imagine that? I'll bet that somewhere today someone is still taking similar amounts of medication with no more gains, I'll wager, than those on sensible doses. I spoke once to a world class competitor who admitted to me that he once felt it necessary to take 1500 Dianabol tablets each day! Even with Dianabol at $5.00 a hundred in those days, that's ridiculous just from the price alone, forgetting the expected side-effects from this dose.
One current patient of mine confided in me that he had once found an old medical text of his grandfather's a few years ago in the garage. In that old physician's journal it mentioned the good effects of strychnine on muscle tissue. The grandson did not read that the text said smooth muscle, not skeletal muscle. He probably would not have recognized the difference in any regard, but a great difference there is. Up until twelve or so years ago, strychnine was sold for various medicinal remedies, impotency was one. My patient thought he had fallen into a long forgotten secret from the past and somehow purchased some strychnine tablets and started taking one a day. One of his work-out partners somehow was let in on the supposed secret, and as he wanted to be even bigger than his partner, he took two tablets a day. Another acquaintance discovered the plot and as he wished to be bigger than the other two, he took ten tablets a day! He apparently soon became quite ill and the causative agent was brought to light. The boy lived but all concerned learned a lesson through the Emergency Room physician about strychnine poisoning.
I admire the courage of the one lad in confiding to me his nearly serious error, but, as you can see, some people will do almost anything to reach their goals! "
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" This last year I received the routine laboratory reports back from one of my old patients. He had stated that he was feeling fine and was preparing for a contest, but the liver tests were grossly abnormal. The lab, after seeing the results, ran a test for viral hepatitis and this was read as normal. So, I asked the patient to come in and see me. I read from his chart that he was taking four Anavar tablets per day and 100 mg. of Deca-Durabolin each week. I told him that I couldn't really imagine how that dose could cause the liver picture present on the lab test.
I told him that I thought that he was taking much more than that dosage. He confessed that while training for the contest, he had been unable to train as often as he would have liked due to his job. He was taking fourteen Dianabol and fourteen Maxibolin tablets with Deca-Durabolin and testosterone cypionate in rather large doses intramuscularly each day. No wonder his liver reacted!
After halting all the medication for one week, the liver tests returned to normal. They remained normal after he later returned to the Anavar and Deca-Durabolin dosage. He learned a lesson don't fool with mother nature by using too many steroidal drugs. "
I was a patient of Dr. Kerr through the early 80's. His protocols were not crazy and he work with Chris Dickerson to win the 82 Mr. Olympia.
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Grymo, has always been known to exaggerate, thees no doubt he and others from that era, took a lot and a lot more orals than todays guys other than pre contest. But i always found his stories to be ridiculous.
I agree with van on Kerr his statements are similar to Petes fabricated.
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well, you "can" shoot a lot of shit IV, provided it's water based (or even either PG/PPG? like valium is i believe? too lazy to check, but anyways)... in theory you could run test suspension or winstrol IV if it's filtered/diluted enough... technically, at least it's possible. even i don't think i'd risk the chance of an embolism. hell, back when i was kicking Nubain in 01, i was breaking open Benedryl capsules "cooking" 2 into about a cc of water, drawing up and injecting IV (without even filtering... i didn't even know about using a little balled up cotton swab to filter at that point), youd be surprised at when you can put in a vein and not just die straight away, kidneys gotta filter that shit though.
gotta consider a lot of what people believe about anabolics is just myth, still. so when guys like Bostin came out and talked about using 13g/wk people called him a liar and said he should be dead. same has gone for anadrol dosages. for years guys believed that if you took more than 100mg anadrol for any longer than 6 wks your liver would fail. Had ANY of them actually done any research, they'd find that 80lb anemic children can be prescribed 300-450mg/day for a MIN of 6-9months (yet underground bbing myth will have a healthy 220lb male bbers liver failing at 100mg for any longer than 6 wks.)
i dont doubt pete used a lot more than a lot of others, but i also dont think guys were as "scientific" with dosages back then. you'd always hear about Arnold saying "we'd debate taking 2 dbol tabs or 3"... dunno if i believe that shit, cuz guys like me or bostin or a thousand others where are curious and not really afraid of side effects (or just reckless) have been around forever and i'm sure Pete isn't the only guy who took anabolics by the "bottle" and not by the "milligram".... however i doubt he took "grams" of something like anadrol (was drol even around in the 70s??) 500mg/day sure, i can believe that... even a gram if he could stand it (some guys fuck up their appetites/stomachs/blood pressure)
I know what the PDR says about the dosages of Anadrol but
I kind of doubt your hypothetical girl would be getting anywhere near that in practise. If you look at BB's post her dosage could be as low as about 35mg a day.
The liver rarely fails outright from anabolics and even cholestasis and jaundice are rare. There is the possibility of peliosis hepatitis, blood filled cysts in the liver, which may cause no symptoms unless they rupture. I've seen a number of guys on forums who had them. Munzer had them. Some of us might have them without knowing.
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Why can't people simply be natty like me, gosh
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I know what the PDR says about the dosages of Anadrol but
I kind of doubt your hypothetical girl would be getting anywhere near that in practise. If you look at BB's post her dosage could be as low as about 35mg a day.
The liver rarely fails outright from anabolics and even cholestasis and jaundice are rare. There is the possibility of peliosis hepatitis, blood filled cysts in the liver, which may cause no symptoms unless they rupture. I've seen a number of guys on forums who had them. Munzer had them. Some of us might have them without knowing.
I recall reading that someone was on Dianabol for a LONG time - either months or, perhaps I'm thinking Acetaminophen, and only some minor reversible liver damage took place. That's fascinating, how resilient the liver is.
I think Pete is 73 this year.
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I recall reading that someone was on Dianabol for a LONG time - either months or, perhaps I'm thinking Acetaminophen, and only some minor reversible liver damage took place. That's fascinating, how resilient the liver is.
I think Pete is 73 this year.
Some drugs are thought to be very safe, such as acetaminophen. The toxicity is dosage related, it's when someone takes about 4 grams or more in a single dosage that the liver can suddenly fail leading to a horrible death (unless treatment is quickly given).
Friend of mine got hepatitis and jaundice after a trip to Greece and docs said apap was fine to take.
At about 21 yrs old I took Dbol for a year straight, a month or two off and then almost a year on again. Very stupid of me but I had no signs of liver stress.
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Biggest issue i see with high dose orals from that era or even with orals today is that they destroy your HDL profile, allowing your arteries to harden prematurely, in saying that cardiologists believe this hardening differs from traditional lifestyle plaque type hardening as there seems to be a lack of supporting heart disease factors with high calcium score tests related to ex users. University of california did some great work on the subject many years ago and a lot of the old timers living a lot longer than other more modern bodybuilders would support that. 70 isn't old for everyone but it is for guys like Arnold, Lou, who many predicted to die prematurely from steroids, argument could be made they would have made it ten years longer without maybe.
Liver disease and death was as exaggerated as climate change, sure theres a toxic reaction but it won't destroy your liver in nearly all cases, but pre hardening of the arteries in the heart is certainly a side effect of use, like all thinks worse in those with bad heart genes.
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Some drugs are thought to be very safe, such as acetaminophen. The toxicity is dosage related, it's when someone takes about 4 grams or more in a single dosage that the liver can suddenly fail leading to a horrible death (unless treatment is quickly given).
Friend of mine got hepatitis and jaundice after a trip to Greece and docs said apap was fine to take.
At about 21 yrs old I took Dbol for a year straight, a month or two off and then almost a year on again. Very stupid of me but I had no signs of liver stress.
How much Dbol did you take per day?
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How much Dbol did you take per day?
I went up and down, from 10mg to 100mg. Most of the time 50mg. I threw in some Winstrol and Proviron at times and there were a few weeks with a 100mg Anadrol add-on as well. I didn't check but I'm sure liver enzymes would have been elevated. However, after being off a few weeks enzymes were within range.
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I went up and down, from 10mg to 100mg. Most of the time 50mg. I threw in some Winstrol and Proviron at times and there were a few weeks with a 100mg Anadrol add-on as well. I didn't check but I'm sure liver enzymes would have been elevated. However, after being off a few weeks enzymes were within range.
If you only took 10-50 mg's a day you probably never would have any liver problems at all.
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They were, are, great. I think he means the Danabol DS. Anabols were fantastic too, and there was Methandon out of Thailand as well that were top notch.
I have used thousands of each of these as well as half a dozen other Dianabols over 25 years and I'm still alive and liver values are in range. But I never tried 1500 tabs a day, not even a measly 100 tabs :D
YUM!!! :D
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Some drugs are thought to be very safe, such as acetaminophen. The toxicity is dosage related, it's when someone takes about 4 grams or more in a single dosage that the liver can suddenly fail leading to a horrible death (unless treatment is quickly given).
Friend of mine got hepatitis and jaundice after a trip to Greece and docs said apap was fine to take.
At about 21 yrs old I took Dbol for a year straight, a month or two off and then almost a year on again. Very stupid of me but I had no signs of liver stress.
The main concerning effect from the long term use of an oral like imo is on the cardiovascular system long term Hdl at near or zero. Not the liver imo especially a young guy.
The good thing is it was dbol the aromatisation makes it a bit easier on the lipids than winny and Halo etc.
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Biggest issue i see with high dose orals from that era or even with orals today is that they destroy your HDL profile, allowing your arteries to harden prematurely, in saying that cardiologists believe this hardening differs from traditional lifestyle plaque type hardening as there seems to be a lack of supporting heart disease factors with high calcium score tests related to ex users. University of california did some great work on the subject many years ago and a lot of the old timers living a lot longer than other more modern bodybuilders would support that. 70 isn't old for everyone but it is for guys like Arnold, Lou, who many predicted to die prematurely from steroids, argument could be made they would have made it ten years longer without maybe.
Liver disease and death was as exaggerated as climate change, sure theres a toxic reaction but it won't destroy your liver in nearly all cases, but pre hardening of the arteries in the heart is certainly a side effect of use, like all thinks worse in those with bad heart genes.
I just saw your post after I posted same thing.... Agree 100%
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The main concerning effect from the long term use of an oral like imo is on the cardiovascular system long term Hdl at near or zero. Not the liver imo especially a young guy.
The good thing is it was dbol the aromatisation makes it a bit easier on the lipids than winny and Halo etc.
Yes I know. Though we don't know the magnitude of potential damage from periods of low HDL due to steroid use.
For example, see this from a paper on TRT and CVD risk:
HDL particles perform myriad functions, including immunomodulatory roles, the regulation of endothelial cell function and removal of cholesterol from the artery wall through reverse cholesterol transport [52]. HDL particles facilitate reverse cholesterol transport by accepting cholesterol from lipid-laden macrophages in peripheral tissues and transporting it to the liver for excretion in bile. This prevents the deposition of cholesterol in the arterial wall and thereby protects against atherogenesis. Interestingly, in-vitro findings suggest that T could accelerate reverse cholesterol transport [53], and it has been suggested that reductions in HDL-c caused by TRT actually could reflect this accelerated process [54]. This raises the possibility that these reductions in HDL-c do not confer increased CVD risk at all and conceivably could reflect a protective effect
So the HDL reductions from androgens might not be as damaging as we might think. The picture isn't completely clear.
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Biggest issue i see with high dose orals from that era or even with orals today is that they destroy your HDL profile, allowing your arteries to harden prematurely, in saying that cardiologists believe this hardening differs from traditional lifestyle plaque type hardening as there seems to be a lack of supporting heart disease factors with high calcium score tests related to ex users. University of california did some great work on the subject many years ago and a lot of the old timers living a lot longer than other more modern bodybuilders would support that. 70 isn't old for everyone but it is for guys like Arnold, Lou, who many predicted to die prematurely from steroids, argument could be made they would have made it ten years longer without maybe.
Liver disease and death was as exaggerated as climate change, sure theres a toxic reaction but it won't destroy your liver in nearly all cases, but pre hardening of the arteries in the heart is certainly a side effect of use, like all thinks worse in those with bad heart genes.
drugs may knock ten years off your life but they are the worst ten....
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Some drugs are thought to be very safe, such as acetaminophen. The toxicity is dosage related, it's when someone takes about 4 grams or more in a single dosage that the liver can suddenly fail leading to a horrible death (unless treatment is quickly given).
Friend of mine got hepatitis and jaundice after a trip to Greece and docs said apap was fine to take.
At about 21 yrs old I took Dbol for a year straight, a month or two off and then almost a year on again. Very stupid of me but I had no signs of liver stress.
And you had bloodwork done then at age 21? That's unusual.
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drugs may knock ten years off your life but they are the worst ten....
Which ten? From 50 to 90?
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I just saw your post after I posted same thing.... Agree 100%
Haven't most had serious heart complications including Grymko? How many of these guys are on lifetime hormone replacement because of hypogonadism so that it they couldn't get their prescription they'd be screwed?
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Haven't most had serious heart complications including Grymko? How many of these guys are on lifetime hormone replacement because of hypogonadism so that it they couldn't get their prescription they'd be screwed?
All of them.
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Which ten? From 50 to 90?
the last ten...they are always the worst
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The drugs of the past obtained from a pharmacy made in an American pharmaceutical lab were powerful. The stuff they say is Dianabol or Anadrol 50 sold from the trunk of a car in the gym parking lot is counterfeit. Probably from China. They are great a counterfeiting the packaging right down to the paper work insert inside the box. The only problem is that they are not authentic. More likely just testosterone. Using just one Anadrol 50 with no other drug had guys blowing up in 4 weeks. Guys that took two had even more drastic results. Guys that took three had the whites of their eyes turn yellow. Today I hear guys popping 4 and 5 pills seeing modest results. Nope, counterfeit.
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The drugs of the past obtained from a pharmacy made in an American pharmaceutical lab were powerful. The stuff they say is Dianabol or Anadrol 50 sold from the trunk of a car in the gym parking lot is counterfeit. Probably from China. They are great a counterfeiting the packaging right down to the paper work insert inside the box. The only problem is that they are not authentic. More likely just testosterone. Using just one Anadrol 50 with no other drug had guys blowing up in 4 weeks. Guys that took two had even more drastic results. Guys that took three had the whites of their eyes turn yellow. Today I hear guys popping 4 and 5 pills seeing modest results. Nope, counterfeit.
This
I hear guys now taking a gram of Tren, the old Parabolin from the 90s was 76,mgms in 1.5ml of oil, two a week and you were an emotional wreak with low back pumps that stopped you training
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The drugs of the past obtained from a pharmacy made in an American pharmaceutical lab were powerful. The stuff they say is Dianabol or Anadrol 50 sold from the trunk of a car in the gym parking lot is counterfeit. Probably from China. They are great a counterfeiting the packaging right down to the paper work insert inside the box. The only problem is that they are not authentic. More likely just testosterone. Using just one Anadrol 50 with no other drug had guys blowing up in 4 weeks. Guys that took two had even more drastic results. Guys that took three had the whites of their eyes turn yellow. Today I hear guys popping 4 and 5 pills seeing modest results. Nope, counterfeit.
Anadrol 50 created the majority of problems we here bodybuilders had like hair loss, flacid pee pee, and heart problems.
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The drugs of the past obtained from a pharmacy made in an American pharmaceutical lab were powerful. The stuff they say is Dianabol or Anadrol 50 sold from the trunk of a car in the gym parking lot is counterfeit. Probably from China. They are great a counterfeiting the packaging right down to the paper work insert inside the box. The only problem is that they are not authentic. More likely just testosterone. Using just one Anadrol 50 with no other drug had guys blowing up in 4 weeks. Guys that took two had even more drastic results. Guys that took three had the whites of their eyes turn yellow. Today I hear guys popping 4 and 5 pills seeing modest results. Nope, counterfeit.
No that's BS.
There is an absolute shitton of prime hormones coming from China. What's creating these opinions is old guys having poor memories. What you thought of as "blow up" and "jacked" wasn't as great as you remember. At that time you thought such and such guy was so amazing but if you looked at your photo album from the good old days you'd realise it wasn't that marvelous.
Go watch Pumpin Iron, apart from the crazy aesthetics of the top guys the muscularity is pathetic compared to today. If anyone was using fake drugs it would be the guys in the 70s. No they were using real stuff of course, they just didn't use enough and didn't have as many drugs as today - which come from China!
Secondly, some feel the drugs aren't working as well for them as they once did so the drugs must be fake. What they forget is that they are 20 or 30 years older! They are simply past their prime.
You have made this claim about it all being just being crappy test. This is so retarded on many levels, if you think this is the case you don't know shit. Are you aware that Law Enforcement often test black market steroids when building cases against dealers? You think governments and LE fakes the tests? Are they always dropping cases against dealers because the drugs were fake? If a homebrewer's powders from China are caught at customs are they let off because the powders didn't contain any steroids? Think!
Thirdly, there are still pharma drugs available so guys can compare. I've used Anadrol from pharmacies in Greece and Turkey. I've also used Chinese Anadrol. Guess what, both worked great. I've used many pharma testosterones and many UG labs. Same thing.
Fourth, look at the Mr O lineup. Do they look like they are not on real steroids? Guess what, they use mostly Chinese black market steroids, the same exact shit any kid can buy off the net.
Do you really think the Chinese can't make real hormones? Do you think there's a huge incentive in selling inert stuff?
Yes, some labs cut corners and occasionally sell crap but the fact of the matter is that real hormones is a huge market and real hormones are made.
Do you happen to have any pics of a guy who "blew up" from one Anadrol for a month? Must have been real monsters putting today's pros to shame. Let's see it. :D
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Anadrol 50 created the majority of problems we here bodybuilders had like hair loss, flacid pee pee, and heart problems.
Nah that makes it sound like Anadrol is widely abused. No, lots of bodybuilders don't care for that stuff at all, few do it for long periods of time. And I think Anadrol is rather mild in several aspects compared to some other anabolics.
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One pic is guys using real hormones and one is guys on fake shit, just watered down testosterone. Guess which is which.
Man, Arnold's and Zane's legs really blew up. Must have been that real pharma Anadrol. They look like they are about to pop!
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The drugs of the past obtained from a pharmacy made in an American pharmaceutical lab were powerful. The stuff they say is Dianabol or Anadrol 50 sold from the trunk of a car in the gym parking lot is counterfeit. Probably from China. They are great a counterfeiting the packaging right down to the paper work insert inside the box. The only problem is that they are not authentic. More likely just testosterone. Using just one Anadrol 50 with no other drug had guys blowing up in 4 weeks. Guys that took two had even more drastic results. Guys that took three had the whites of their eyes turn yellow. Today I hear guys popping 4 and 5 pills seeing modest results. Nope, counterfeit.
I agree with this, how many bodybuilders from the 70s and 80s had huge side effects from the drugs they were taking? Nowadays every gym rat or pro has the same look, massive water retention, acne over the entire body, and no deep cuts, at least when compared to the previous generations.
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I agree with this, how many bodybuilders from the 70s and 80s had huge side effects from the drugs they were taking? Nowadays every gym rat or pro has the same look, massive water retention, acne over the entire body, and no deep cuts, at least when compared to the previous generations.
So you agree with him that the drugs are fake today? But why are guys having side effects from taking sugar pills? What are you saying?
OTOH oldtimer says guys were getting jaundice frequently. Nowadays they don't. So drugs were worse for your liver but gentle as far as acne and water retention goes. Is this what you think?
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Nah that makes it sound like Anadrol is widely abused. No, lots of bodybuilders don't care for that stuff at all, few do it for long periods of time. And I think Anadrol is rather mild in several aspects compared to some other anabolics.
Dan Duchaine would argue with you but he's dead.
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Dan Duchaine would argue with you but he's dead.
Hey I remember Dan
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Drugs of today are not as strong as the pharma of yesterday or even today, but they are cheap and widely available so dosages are far higher. I personally think 1 amp of Testoviron is better than the same mg in chinese test, but one costs $15 ml the other $3 so the modern bodybuilder takes it 3 times to 1 times higher. The end result guys today are on higher amounts of IUS and MGS as they look like they are. They are bigger but not necessarily better as the combination makes all things bigger including waists guts etc. IMO
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So you agree with him that the drugs are fake today?
I don't get this argument - there are places online you can get stuff tested
Hell, there are even home-testing kits!
https://www.amazon.com/ROIDTEST-Complete-Steroid-Testing-System/dp/B01BLQYGN8 (https://www.amazon.com/ROIDTEST-Complete-Steroid-Testing-System/dp/B01BLQYGN8)
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The base ingredient from China may be ok (or maybe not, recall other crap made in China) but how do you even know what's in that syringe or bottle you buy from your local drug pusher? You don't know. Maybe that Chinese supplier mixed it up in the same beaker he last used for insect killer. Do you think he cares about your health? Does your local pusher care deeply for quality, say more than when he cuts dope?
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I don't get this argument - there are places online you can get stuff tested
Hell, there are even home-testing kits!
https://www.amazon.com/ROIDTEST-Complete-Steroid-Testing-System/dp/B01BLQYGN8 (https://www.amazon.com/ROIDTEST-Complete-Steroid-Testing-System/dp/B01BLQYGN8)
How many test it?
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Dan Duchaine would argue with you but he's dead.
Duchaine said it was fine for women at a low dose, in fact people thought he was nuts to even put woman and Anadrol in the same sentence. :D It's not as highly androgenic like tren or whatever.Drugs of today are not as strong as the pharma of yesterday or even today, but they are cheap and widely available so dosages are far higher. I personally think 1 amp of Testoviron is better than the same mg in chinese test, but one costs $15 ml the other $3 so the modern bodybuilder takes it 3 times to 1 times higher. The end result guys today are on higher amounts of IUS and MGS as they look like they are. They are bigger but not necessarily better as the combination makes all things bigger including waists guts etc. IMO
I have used a lot of pharma test but I couldn't really tell a difference. One dude gave me 50 amps of a few pharma brands for free, he was going to buy UG. Now I think he was nuts, I mean pharma is always preferred for the quality guarantee. This same dude said Ciba Dianabol didn't impress him much, that's how long he has juiced. Strange.
Another dude sells me his scripted Nebido for about 90 bucks. Why does he sell it? Well, he can buy that 1g of test for 5 bucks from UG labs and make a few bucks. I don't mind paying premium prices for assured quality, and I just like to try different products.
The base ingredient from China may be ok (or maybe not, recall other crap made in China) but how do you even know what's in that syringe or bottle you buy from your local drug pusher? You don't know. Maybe that Chinese supplier mixed it up in the same beaker he last used for insect killer. Do you think he cares about your health? Does your local pusher care deeply for quality, say more than when he cuts dope?
There are many problems with the China underground scene, the stuff could be 98% pure vs 99% for pharma. The brewers may also cut the products and sometimes they may have a bad batch or even the wrong compound altogether, they may not know themselves. However, real hormones are being made in China, it's not all just watered down test.
Someone made the point a few years ago is that UGs often ocerdosed their products to make them appear extra strong, nothing was gained by cutting the product, since the hormones themselves were so cheap.
But yes, pharma would always be preferred, but strangely pharma stuff is sometimes off too, legally many drugs can be 10% off.
At the start of this year China promised to crack down on illegal hormone market and put the sellers to death. I don't know what came of that, but who was pressuring China? It was WADA, all hormones used by athletes come from China pretty much. Many years ago Stallone was also using Chinese Jintropin and US government pressured China to crack down on this specific growth hormone.
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^Robert Kerr is an idiot. No one took 1500 tabs per day. How stupid can you get. And this is supposed to be a doctor.
I know someone who took 300 Dianabols in a day but that experiment lasted only one day because he got so sick - 1500 is just ridiculous.
I was a client of Dr. Kerr in my late teens (17) until he passed. He might have meant 1500mg. My usual was Deca, Anavar (White, Football shaped, 2.5mg) and DBol (pharmacological CIBA 5mg tab). For any injectables I had to go to the office. The pharmacy was within his office building.
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I was a client of Dr. Kerr in my late teens (17) until he passed. He might have meant 1500mg. My usual was Deca, Anavar (White, Football shaped, 2.5mg) and DBol (pharmacological CIBA 5mg tab). For any injectables I had to go to the office. The pharmacy was within his office building.
Yeah but 1500mg would still be 300 tabs a day :D
What's the highest oral dose you have ever seen?
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Yeah but 1500mg would still be 300 tabs a day :D
What's the highest oral dose you have ever seen?
40 and I felt like shit. Remember, back then was the real deal. No knockoffs
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No that's BS.
There is an absolute shitton of prime hormones coming from China. What's creating these opinions is old guys having poor memories. What you thought of as "blow up" and "jacked" wasn't as great as you remember. At that time you thought such and such guy was so amazing but if you looked at your photo album from the good old days you'd realise it wasn't that marvelous.
Go watch Pumpin Iron, apart from the crazy aesthetics of the top guys the muscularity is pathetic compared to today. If anyone was using fake drugs it would be the guys in the 70s. No they were using real stuff of course, they just didn't use enough and didn't have as many drugs as today - which come from China!
Secondly, some feel the drugs aren't working as well for them as they once did so the drugs must be fake. What they forget is that they are 20 or 30 years older! They are simply past their prime.
You have made this claim about it all being just being crappy test. This is so retarded on many levels, if you think this is the case you don't know shit. Are you aware that Law Enforcement often test black market steroids when building cases against dealers? You think governments and LE fakes the tests? Are they always dropping cases against dealers because the drugs were fake? If a homebrewer's powders from China are caught at customs are they let off because the powders didn't contain any steroids? Think!
Thirdly, there are still pharma drugs available so guys can compare. I've used Anadrol from pharmacies in Greece and Turkey. I've also used Chinese Anadrol. Guess what, both worked great. I've used many pharma testosterones and many UG labs. Same thing.
Fourth, look at the Mr O lineup. Do they look like they are not on real steroids? Guess what, they use mostly Chinese black market steroids, the same exact shit any kid can buy off the net.
Do you really think the Chinese can't make real hormones? Do you think there's a huge incentive in selling inert stuff?
Yes, some labs cut corners and occasionally sell crap but the fact of the matter is that real hormones is a huge market and real hormones are made.
Do you happen to have any pics of a guy who "blew up" from one Anadrol for a month? Must have been real monsters putting today's pros to shame. Let's see it. :D
This is so accurate on every single level especially about the part about how responds in their 20s versus their 40s. Plus, it is easy to test now. And they do. And with Testosterone it's even easier from a blood test. At 200mg/wk of pharma Test cyp that I get prescribe from a doctor my total Test will be around 715 ng/ml. When I was using 250mg/wk Test cyp from a ug lab I clocked in at 1,225 ng/ml
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This is so accurate on every single level especially about the part about how responds in their 20s versus their 40s. Plus, it is easy to test now. And they do. And with Testosterone it's even easier from a blood test. At 200mg/wk of pharma Test cyp that I get prescribe from a doctor my total Test will be around 715 ng/ml. When I was using 250mg/wk Test cyp from a ug lab I clocked in at 1,225 ng/ml
And the conclusion is?
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I was a client of Dr. Kerr in my late teens (17) until he passed. He might have meant 1500mg. My usual was Deca, Anavar (White, Football shaped, 2.5mg) and DBol (pharmacological CIBA 5mg tab). For any injectables I had to go to the office. The pharmacy was within his office building.
Nice info coach. When do you think the rigid view that test has to be in every cycle started?
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"he says back then it was customary if yoj were a bber it was expected that when you had company there would be a large bowl a *full* large bowl of dianabol on a coffee table or similar like as you walk into hia house you casually grab a handful and chase em down with probably whisky."
RIDICULOUS ^^
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"he says back then it was customary if yoj were a bber it was expected that when you had company there would be a large bowl a *full* large bowl of dianabol on a coffee table or similar like as you walk into hia house you casually grab a handful and chase em down with probably whisky."
RIDICULOUS ^^
(https://peopledotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/mms.jpg)
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"he says back then it was customary if yoj were a bber it was expected that when you had company there would be a large bowl a *full* large bowl of dianabol on a coffee table or similar like as you walk into hia house you casually grab a handful and chase em down with probably whisky."
RIDICULOUS ^^
Yeah, that does sound pretty absurd.
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A couple of years ago, somewhwere in Europe. Gym reception desk, glucose tablets for insulin using bros :D
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A couple of years ago, somewhwere in Europe. Gym reception desk, glucose tablets for insulin using bros :D
Hahaha! - That's a pretty good idea
Sort of related: I think I must have been the last person in the world to work out why people back in the '90s were eating baby food in the form of pureed fruits.... Dur!! ;D
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How many test it?
Who knows - but if I were to dabble again I'd certainly want to know what I was doing...
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Who knows - but if I were to dabble again I'd certainly want to know what I was doing...
"Problem" is that those test kits only show if there is the labeled steroid in the product, not the amount. Could be a good idea if you were to use an expensive steroid which might be substituted with a cheaper one by an unscrupulous source, such as Primo or Anavar or Halo.
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Hahaha! - That's a pretty good idea
Sort of related: I think I must have been the last person in the world to work out why people back in the '90s were eating baby food in the form of pureed fruits.... Dur!! ;D
You think it was for the insulin? I first read about the baby food when I first picked up a bb mag, circa 1987 or 88. It was said that it was good because they are low sodium. :D Nowadays bodybuilders don't avoid sodium, they try to add more of it. That can be smart for some who eat "clean".
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This is so accurate on every single level especially about the part about how responds in their 20s versus their 40s. Plus, it is easy to test now. And they do. And with Testosterone it's even easier from a blood test. At 200mg/wk of pharma Test cyp that I get prescribe from a doctor my total Test will be around 715 ng/ml. When I was using 250mg/wk Test cyp from a ug lab I clocked in at 1,225 ng/ml
on 200mg every 2 wks Phizer cyp, im at 1200-1400ng 2 days after the injection, and by day 13 in 700-800ng.
and with my own 250mg cyp 3cc twice a week puts me at like 9,800ng.
and nat test levels are sub-100ng after being "on" since 17
the whole nonsense about todays gear being bunk is just that, nonsense... sure, there are UGL's who underdose their stuff, i've been the "victim" of underdosed UGL gear (which is the reason i got back in the business myself), but to say that the RAW coming out of China is bunk is complete bullshit. as a manufacturer, if it were bunk, where the fuck is the "filler" shit in my .45 and .22micron filters after filtering 100,200,400g??? surely there'd be something visable in the filters after, but there has NEVER been anything, and my products speak for themselves.
... and i've been using shit for a long time so i can remember what actual pharma stuff and veterinary stuff felt like compared to UG stuff, my UG stuff and others today, and if i'm making legit stuff, i can't be the only one, as im sure any "top pro" (or pro in general) is gonna have access to someone like me who can/will at least cook up products just for them. think about it, a "pro" is probably gonna realize when their gear isn't as "strong" as others he's used in the past, and soon at that happens, he's likely gonna just try another product and that cook or UGL is gonna lose that business, and most us ain't gonna take that risk. the profit on UGL gear is BIG, bigger than any narcotic, so making an extra few bucks per vial isn't worth it. i mean fuck, it costs about a buck to produce a bottle of test if you're doing a few hundred grams at a time, and you sell it for lets say "50", that's 48-49$ profit per bottle. it's more effective to make a stronger product that sells more, than it is to underdose and eventually sell less. the guys who claim the RAWs are garbage just don't know what they're talking about.
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on 200mg every 2 wks Phizer cyp, im at 1200-1400ng 2 days after the injection, and by day 13 in 700-800ng.
and with my own 250mg cyp 3cc twice a week puts me at like 9,800ng.
and nat test levels are sub-100ng after being "on" since 17
the whole nonsense about todays gear being bunk is just that, nonsense... sure, there are UGL's who underdose their stuff, i've been the "victim" of underdosed UGL gear (which is the reason i got back in the business myself), but to say that the RAW coming out of China is bunk is complete bullshit. as a manufacturer, if it were bunk, where the fuck is the "filler" shit in my .45 and .22micron filters after filtering 100,200,400g??? surely there'd be something visable in the filters after, but there has NEVER been anything, and my products speak for themselves.
... and i've been using shit for a long time so i can remember what actual pharma stuff and veterinary stuff felt like compared to UG stuff, my UG stuff and others today, and if i'm making legit stuff, i can't be the only one, as im sure any "top pro" (or pro in general) is gonna have access to someone like me who can/will at least cook up products just for them. think about it, a "pro" is probably gonna realize when their gear isn't as "strong" as others he's used in the past, and soon at that happens, he's likely gonna just try another product and that cook or UGL is gonna lose that business, and most us ain't gonna take that risk. the profit on UGL gear is BIG, bigger than any narcotic, so making an extra few bucks per vial isn't worth it. i mean fuck, it costs about a buck to produce a bottle of test if you're doing a few hundred grams at a time, and you sell it for lets say "50", that's 48-49$ profit per bottle. it's more effective to make a stronger product that sells more, than it is to underdose and eventually sell less. the guys who claim the RAWs are garbage just don't know what they're talking about.
exactly, but isnt it amazing how many labs start off well and then their gear eventually gets worse until they fold?
Greed I suppose, short term gain..
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You think it was for the insulin? I first read about the baby food when I first picked up a bb mag, circa 1987 or 88. It was said that it was good because they are low sodium. :D Nowadays bodybuilders don't avoid sodium, they try to add more of it. That can be smart for some who eat "clean".
I just remember someone once telling me they'd used insulin (not every day like they do now) but for a carb-load for the stage (do people even still do that? LOL) and he had a bag full of baby food - maybe it was unrelated
Re: salt, I remember an article by Laura Binetti and her partner where they swore by the inclusion of high-sodium pickles in their diets, so maybe they were early adopters
And I was certainly surprised by the fact that Milos put so much on his 'every day for 40 years' breakfast in that video posted a few days ago about his Mother's basement
That and the fact that I think he referred to it as 'Himalayan Sea Salt' ;D
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I just remember someone once telling me they'd used insulin (not every day like they do now) but for a carb-load for the stage (do people even still do that? LOL) and he had a bag full of baby food - maybe it was unrelated
Re: salt, I remember an article by Laura Binetti and her partner where they swore by the inclusion of high-sodium pickles in their diets, so maybe they were early adopters
And I was certainly surprised by the fact that Milos put so much on his 'every day for 40 years' breakfast in that video posted a few days ago about his Mother's basement
That and the fact that I think he referred to it as 'Himalayan Sea Salt' ;D
Yeah the baby food for use with insulin probably came later since insulin use was way rare before Milos. Maybe some figured it would be easily digestible or whatever. There are some silly trends like Chad's pie filling, as if it would be anything special. Carbs are carbs and sugar is sugar pretty much.
I remember Scott Abel and the pickles. I think Milos and Efferding are right about the sodium, it's not something you need to restrict too much.
Himalayan sea salt Lol. That's another silly trend, people think there's something extra special about it, but from what I remember it only contains tiny traces of different trace minerals.
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I just remember someone once telling me they'd used insulin (not every day like they do now) but for a carb-load for the stage (do people even still do that? LOL) and he had a bag full of baby food - maybe it was unrelated
Re: salt, I remember an article by Laura Binetti and her partner where they swore by the inclusion of high-sodium pickles in their diets, so maybe they were early adopters
And I was certainly surprised by the fact that Milos put so much on his 'every day for 40 years' breakfast in that video posted a few days ago about his Mother's basement
That and the fact that I think he referred to it as 'Himalayan Sea Salt' ;D
Pure fruit baby food and rice cakes was the staple pre stage meal
I know of one British guy who was competing in a world champs I think it was Poland and he had used insulin but the food he had wasnt cutting it, he ended up eating a jar of jam someone gave him as it was the only sweet thing in the building
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And the conclusion is?
I thought it would be obvious but I'll spell it out. There is a lot of good legit ug gear out there.
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exactly, but isnt it amazing how many labs start off well and then their gear eventually gets worse until they fold?
Greed I suppose, short term gain..
Always preceded by a big 30% off sale. Nothing like a big pot of chimg just before you wrap things up and disappear only to come back under a new name a few months or years later when it's time for more easy cash.
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I thought it would be obvious but I'll spell it out. There is a lot of good legit ug gear out there.
Seems like in the example you mentioned the dosage of your UG test was not accurate. Did I interpret that correctly?
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Seems like in the example you mentioned the dosage of your UG test was not accurate. Did I interpret that correctly?
I didn't measure nor comment on the accuracy of either the pharm grade of ug grade of Testosterone concentration. I went by what is listed on the label. But it is less irelevant what the label says than what the actual results are when making a comparison.
There was a 20% increase in labeled concentration between the pharm brand and the UG brand. Yet there was a corresponding 58% increase in Total Test using the UG brand. As Joe Biden would say, "Come on, man!" But seriously, though, use a little bit of extrapolation yourself. Especially when it's that obvious.
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There are some good ug labs out there. Hard to find but most people just go by price and wonder why they get crap. remember the ug lab is only as good as the raws they get. So if they are getting shit raws then you will get shit products. Anytime drugs of any kind are made and sold they find a way to increase their profit. So instead of using real deca they put test cyp in and label it deca. Most dont know the difference and if they get results they think its real deca. Even the ugs dont usually test everything they get to see what it is. They usually rely on their supplier to be truthful. There was a time when even pharmacies here in the states were selling fake/counterfiet steroids to customers. ( dont know if they knew it or not but they got stuff made from what looked like the legit manufacturer and it wasnt) So choose wisely. Listen to others on the boards. Do your homework. Dont go for just price and never ever jump on a "new" seller until others have done so and have real reviews. Does anyone remember when they were putting armor all in bottels and selling it as winny v? Many years ago but it was true.
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I didn't measure nor comment on the accuracy of either the pharm grade of ug grade of Testosterone concentration. I went by what is listed on the label. But it is less irelevant what the label says than what the actual results are when making a comparison.
There was a 20% increase in labeled concentration between the pharm brand and the UG brand. Yet there was a corresponding 58% increase in Total Test using the UG brand. As Joe Biden would say, "Come on, man!" But seriously, though, use a little bit of extrapolation yourself. Especially when it's that obvious.
What I meant was you want to be confident you are getting a correct dosage in whatever drug you take. If you take 200 mg ibuprofen you want it to really be 200 mg and not 50 or 500 mg. So it goes beyond just being the true actual ingredient.
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What I meant was you want to be confident you are getting a correct dosage in whatever drug you take. If you take 200 mg ibuprofen you want it to really be 200 mg and not 50 or 500 mg. So it goes beyond just being the true actual ingredient.
Well, I thought we were talking about whether or not there was good UG gear. As far as dosage I have to go by label claims. That's why stuff is now randomly tested. In my example, I was able to verify that not only was the UG brand the correct hormone but it was actually a bit overdosed compared to the pharm brand.
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I didn't measure nor comment on the accuracy of either the pharm grade of ug grade of Testosterone concentration. I went by what is listed on the label. But it is less irelevant what the label says than what the actual results are when making a comparison.
There was a 20% increase in labeled concentration between the pharm brand and the UG brand. Yet there was a corresponding 58% increase in Total Test using the UG brand. As Joe Biden would say, "Come on, man!" But seriously, though, use a little bit of extrapolation yourself. Especially when it's that obvious.
Seems like in the example you mentioned the dosage of your UG test was not accurate. Did I interpret that correctly?
depends on when he got his bloodwork after the injection, but 200mg/wk should put you at least in the 1400+ range, esp after a few weeks of injs. those levels are more consistant with 100mg/wk, so it's possible the UG stuff would be 50% dosed... but who knows, at lteast there's test in it
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depends on when he got his bloodwork after the injection, but 200mg/wk should put you at least in the 1400+ range, esp after a few weeks of injs. those levels are more consistant with 100mg/wk, so it's possible the UG stuff would be 50% dosed... but who knows, at lteast there's test in it
I always take my blood test 4 days after my weekly injection of 200mg/Test Cyp. I've been on TRT continuously for almost 20 years. Though my Total Test is considered low for the amount that I take. The more important Free Test is well above reference range. So I make the most of what I have. Usually the SHBG goes down when you age but not with me. I posted both date and results as verification.