Pre-emptive PIP of peace.
Pretty sure it's kidneys.
Maybe he's wearing those high socks for a reason.
Pretty sure it's kidneys.
Maybe he's wearing those high socks for a reason.
This. But I don’t see any signs of swelling anywhere. I never did have any swelling either or any symptoms, it was all caught through blood work eGFR, Creatnine, BUN, albumin. I’m sure the Docs he’s working with are very familiar with bodybuilders and if they’re telling him to pull out then his numbers must be waaaay off.
Gotcha - those are pressure stockings preventing fluid buildup causing the 'cankles of peace'... makes sense
He had crazy high blood pressure a while back, so it could be a return of that.
Yeah he looks dry, not bloated. I have no idea what his docs are familiar with but I'd guess it's hard to say how dangerous the situation is just by looking at numbers. Hard to know if it's something you could bounce back from or possibly go into acute kidney failure in the worst case scenario. I mean he ran it by Meadows, Ben Chow etc. Incidentally Chow said he had some kidney damage from previous prep and he ran into some trouble again a few weeks back but he decided to do his show anyway - competed today.
They don't look like compression socks though, thought he might be hiding some swelling or whatever.
If untreated that’s the biggest contributor to kidney damage along with pain meds, constant high protein diets, high caffeine intake, PEDs (at least I’m my case) was the least of the problems
His legs look down here, not sure if he was flat from cardio or it's the angle though...
He should retire, if the kidneys and bp are flaring up its time to hang up the thong.
You said the doc sent you this exact study in another thread I posted it in. Saying steroids were the lowest contributing factor makes little sense. If your BMI went up along with blood pressure while on peds - they had a direct effect. Did you have a biopsy?
https://jasn.asnjournals.org/content/21/1/163
"studies suggest that androgens may exert a direct toxic effect on glomerular cells, leading to mesangial matrix accumulation and podocyte depletion independent of structural-functional adaptations."
problem:
he has a youtube channel he needs to promote and make content for
The channel is based around interviewing others mostly now is it not..
Also you don't need to compete to have a channel, The opposite really, he'd be better of spending his time working on the channel than prepping for a show he's not going to win.
The channel is based around interviewing others mostly now is it not..
Also you don't need to compete to have a channel, The opposite really, he'd be better of spending his time working on the channel than prepping for a show he's not going to win.
The ultrasound showed no atrophy in the Kidneys, bladder was normal, prostate was enlarged but normal for a man my age. Yes, he did send me that study but did also say that the peds were not the real cause. As I had said, it was more of everything else while not keeping my BP under control(high protein, 800mg ibuprofen or 2 Aleve everyday, pre-workout Supps, energy drinks) plus I took no orals. Maybe I misspoke but he did say that the peds were NOT the direct cause but didn’t help
He is the face of the brand of supps and probably figures it's needed to stay (more) relevant, or he justifies it that way. Which I can totally understand, it's not just based on logic. I would be surprised if he is done done, probably would want to go out on "his terms" instead of this, even if logic says cut your losses now. You can't just cut your whole identity just like that without problems. Once a bb, always a bb. I told The Coach this since I came onto this forum a couple of decades ago as he was always talking about having been done with competing :D Not a criticism, just how it is :)
Looks like he's out of this thing for good...
https://www.instagram.com/p/CF4kf9vh0D0/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CF4kf9vh0D0/)
Guys I sincerely want to thank you all for urging me to compete. This was one of the reasons I waited so long to announce. I thought everything was fine but when I started to push my body in the final stages of prep it just wasn’t a good idea any more.
🔸
I hope you guys can understand my health has to come first. I will still be working hard to give back in the form of the podcast, whiteboard videos, cooking videos, training videos, etc but I think the days of pushing my body past the limit are behind me.
#walkyourownpath
Depending on the doc he could easily have said the PEDs were definitely the main culprit. If he was a skinny dweeb who hated juiced jocks growing up he might be predjudiced.
If he himself was dabbling in HRT of test and GH while getting the ladies he might point at the NSAIDs or whatever. :D Look at Meadow's cardiologist. He had gotten into personal training and amateur bb so he thought TRT for John was likely good and protective, even if part of his heart was "dead". I know for a fact other cardiologists would have told him to get off completely out of an abundance of caution.
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I see a tremendous resemblance in these two gentlemen. Facially they are nearly dopplegangers. Mentally, I'd give the edge to the man with Downs Syndrome.
This is not his treating cardiologist.
Not all Dr's are created equal.
Thanks, I misremembered. I do think, know, that there are cardiologists who are not familiar with hormones much who would advice not touching hormones at all in that situation. I'm not saying John is going about it the wrong way.
Did I understand it correctly, the LVH developed after his heart attack? Initially I think he said his heart was normal sized. The dead portion came after as well.
BTW, what do you think killed off Matt Porter? One fella seemed to imply that it might have been a site injection related incident, though I may have misunderstood what he was implying. There was something showing in his lung xray IIRC, possibly an embolism of some sort.
Thanks, I misremembered. I do think, know, that there are cardiologists who are not familiar with hormones much who would advice not touching hormones at all in that situation. I'm not saying John is going about it the wrong way.
Did I understand it correctly, the LVH developed after his heart attack? Initially I think he said his heart was normal sized. The dead portion came after as well.
BTW, what do you think killed off Matt Porter? One fella seemed to imply that it might have been a site injection related incident, though I may have misunderstood what he was implying. There was something showing in his lung xray IIRC, possibly an embolism of some sort.
Don’t know what killed Porter, but didn’t his dad die of a heart attack at an early age? I believe that’s what made Porter quit cold turkey and he lost all that weight.
I used to see him weekly at a the gym, and the last year or so he was alive he looked so unhealthy. Constantly sweating and skin was purple. He was super big, and he wasn’t a tall guy. He had lost all his hair too. I only knew him a little, just made small talk in the gym. Didn’t know him well enough to say anything. But any of us had a good friend who looked like he did, we would be alarmed.....
John had his echocardiogram after his heart attack. That revealed his lower than optimal EF, mild LVH and "dead" apex. Left ventricular hypertrophic regression can concur especially with weight loss and normalizing hypertensive patients.
Matt died of congestive heart failure according to his wife. A MA General study showed "Using two-dimensional ultrasound imaging, researchers found that the left ventricle, the heart's main pumping chamber, was "significantly weaker" during contraction in those taking anabolic steroids compared to the non-steroid users."
I bring up LVH because it increases the risk for atrial fibrillation, diastolic heart failure, systolic heart failure, and sudden death in patients with hypertension.
His dad died of prostate cancer and shortly after that Matt then found out his BP had been too high for too long and he was in heart failure. This is all according to his wife. So going back to bb was certainly not the best idea.
Anyway, someone mentioned "something" in his lung and I got the impression that some thought he might have done something that caused the death acutely. Like an oil embolism (my speculation).
Porter’s wife announced the passing of her husband in a lengthy Facebook post on May 30. Rachel wrote that since competing at the Emerald Cup at the beginning of May, Porter had not been feeling well. Rachel said that her husband had visited doctors on multiple occasions as he feared he had contracted pneumonia. Doctors told Porter that he just had a bad cold.
After one visit, a doctor requested a CT scan as he noticed a growth on Porter’s lung. At the time of the bodybuilder’s death, Rachel says the results of that CT are not in.
After John had his heart attack he said his heart was normal size and it was just a blood clot and he expected these new tests would show everything was fine. He kind of emphasized that the heart looked fine. But now at this test he suddenly had LVH and the rest - so it sounds to me that the LVH developed after the heart attack? I don't know if it's something that can occur quickly like that which is why I asked. What do you think, did they not measure ventricle thickness initially or what?
I know Matt had heart failure years ago but even though I sort of followed him I didn't see him mention it except that he had some type of "issue" that made him get off. I got the impression that as his dad passed he started to think about his health.
Anyway, someone mentioned "something" in his lung and I got the impression that some thought he might have done something that caused the death acutely. Like an oil embolism (my speculation).
I don't know if Matt was honest about his level of use after his health problems. Said he was doing 200mg test and 2iu GH but he was real big but getting constant blood work, very low BP which he posted on IG etc. His wife said he did the HRT plus a few weeks of a single compound in microdose a few times.
And yet another Thongolian goes quietly, nobly into that good night. 'n' sheit.
I wish him nothing but the wurst.
Fouad and Meadows are actually good people. A bit rare in this odd industry.
Many would ignore the Doc, Fouad seems to care about his health more as he ages.
A good thing I think.
Looks like he's out of this thing for good...
https://www.instagram.com/p/CF4kf9vh0D0/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CF4kf9vh0D0/)
Guys I sincerely want to thank you all for urging me to compete. This was one of the reasons I waited so long to announce. I thought everything was fine but when I started to push my body in the final stages of prep it just wasn’t a good idea any more.
🔸
I hope you guys can understand my health has to come first. I will still be working hard to give back in the form of the podcast, whiteboard videos, cooking videos, training videos, etc but I think the days of pushing my body past the limit are behind me.
#walkyourownpath
WalterWhite - I did a heart ultrasound / MRI in August of 2019, and the results were "perfect" according to my nurse practitioner who reviewed the results. I only recently asked if I could have the results sent to my doctor, I guess because I figured things were ok.
Do you have any suggestions as far as health tests, to determine if we have anything wrong with our hearts? I would like to get them all...unfortunately here in Canada we have "free" healthcare which means we probably have access to 50% of the services an American would get using private health insurance.