Fouad "Hoss"Abiad is pulling out of Chicago Pro for health reasons.

[WalterWhite]

The channel is based around interviewing others mostly now is it not..

Also you don't need to compete to have a channel, The opposite really, he'd be better of spending his time working on the channel than prepping for a show he's not going to win.

I agree and based on his past issues I was surprised he was making a comeback.  I'm not crazy about Chow but now they can compare bloodwork.

[Van_Bilderass]

The channel is based around interviewing others mostly now is it not..

Also you don't need to compete to have a channel, The opposite really, he'd be better of spending his time working on the channel than prepping for a show he's not going to win.

He is the face of the brand of supps and probably figures it's needed to stay (more) relevant, or he justifies it that way. Which I can totally understand, it's not just based on logic. I would be surprised if he is done done, probably would want to go out on "his terms" instead of this, even if logic says cut your losses now. You can't just cut your whole identity just like that without problems. Once a bb, always a bb. I told The Coach this since I came onto this forum a couple of decades ago as he was always talking about having been done with competing  Not a criticism, just how it is 

[Van_Bilderass]

The ultrasound showed no atrophy in the Kidneys, bladder was normal, prostate was enlarged but normal for a man my age. Yes, he did send me that study but did also say that the peds were not the real cause. As I had said, it was more of everything else while not keeping my BP under control(high protein, 800mg ibuprofen or 2 Aleve everyday, pre-workout Supps, energy drinks) plus I took no orals. Maybe I misspoke but he did say that the peds were NOT the direct cause but didn’t help

Depending on the doc he could easily have said the PEDs were definitely the main culprit. If he was a skinny dweeb who hated juiced jocks growing up he might be predjudiced.
If he himself was dabbling in HRT of test and GH while getting the ladies he might point at the NSAIDs or whatever. Look at Meadow's cardiologist. He had gotten into personal training and amateur bb so he thought TRT for John was likely good and protective, even if part of his heart was "dead". I know for a fact other cardiologists would have told him to get off completely out of an abundance of caution.

[Bevo]

He is the face of the brand of supps and probably figures it's needed to stay (more) relevant, or he justifies it that way. Which I can totally understand, it's not just based on logic. I would be surprised if he is done done, probably would want to go out on "his terms" instead of this, even if logic says cut your losses now. You can't just cut your whole identity just like that without problems. Once a bb, always a bb. I told The Coach this since I came onto this forum a couple of decades ago as he was always talking about having been done with competing  Not a criticism, just how it is 

Live by the thong, die by the thong

[tres_taco_combo]

scary stuff

being 300 lbs over 40 years old aint the way to do it.

[Taffin]

Looks like he's out of this thing for good...



https://www.instagram.com/p/CF4kf9vh0D0/

Guys I sincerely want to thank you all for urging me to compete. This was one of the reasons I waited so long to announce. I thought everything was fine but when I started to push my body in the final stages of prep it just wasn’t a good idea any more.
🔸
I hope you guys can understand my health has to come first. I will still be working hard to give back in the form of the podcast, whiteboard videos, cooking videos, training videos, etc but I think the days of pushing my body past the limit are behind me.

#walkyourownpath

[The Scott]

Looks like he's out of this thing for good...



https://www.instagram.com/p/CF4kf9vh0D0/

Guys I sincerely want to thank you all for urging me to compete. This was one of the reasons I waited so long to announce. I thought everything was fine but when I started to push my body in the final stages of prep it just wasn’t a good idea any more.
🔸
I hope you guys can understand my health has to come first. I will still be working hard to give back in the form of the podcast, whiteboard videos, cooking videos, training videos, etc but I think the days of pushing my body past the limit are behind me.

#walkyourownpath

And yet another Thongolian goes quietly, nobly  into that good night.  'n' sheit. 

I wish him nothing but the wurst. 

[WalterWhite]

Depending on the doc he could easily have said the PEDs were definitely the main culprit. If he was a skinny dweeb who hated juiced jocks growing up he might be predjudiced.
If he himself was dabbling in HRT of test and GH while getting the ladies he might point at the NSAIDs or whatever. Look at Meadow's cardiologist. He had gotten into personal training and amateur bb so he thought TRT for John was likely good and protective, even if part of his heart was "dead". I know for a fact other cardiologists would have told him to get off completely out of an abundance of caution.

This is not his treating cardiologist. That "other" treating cardiologist was concerned when he told him he was on 200mg "TRT".  When he went off after the heart attack of course his test level dropped like a rock. The treating cardiologist suggested he go back on but John decided to cut the dose in half to 100mg. At 100mg his test level was 852 (but not sure how he timed his bloodwork). His hemoglobin is still on the higher end of the range for someone that had a heart attack.

He has mild LVH with an EF of 30 to 35% which shows he would benefit from a biventricular pacemaker. Normal EF is 50 to 70%. He is at a higher risk for fast, irregular and sometimes life-threatening heart rhythms especially with his hard workouts. He will have a muga scan to re check the pumping function of the ventricles.

Not all Dr's are created equal.

[pamith]

This is why I stay natty, srs

[Flexacon]

Why blame doctors?

Both of Johns parents suffered early heart attacks or something along those lines, yet he quit a well paid job to pursue a career in the muscle pageant industry.

[The Scott]

I see a tremendous resemblance in these two gentlemen.  Facially they are nearly dopplegangers.   Mentally, I'd give the edge to the man with Downs Syndrome.

[SOMEPARTS]

I see a tremendous resemblance in these two gentlemen.  Facially they are nearly dopplegangers.   Mentally, I'd give the edge to the man with Downs Syndrome.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=668248.msg9463200#msg9463200

I guess great minds think alike. 

[Van_Bilderass]

This is not his treating cardiologist.
Not all Dr's are created equal.

Thanks, I misremembered. I do think, know, that there are cardiologists who are not familiar with hormones much who would advice not touching hormones at all in that situation. I'm not saying John is going about it the wrong way.

Did I understand it correctly, the LVH developed after his heart attack? Initially I think he said his heart was normal sized. The dead portion came after as well.

BTW, what do you think killed off Matt Porter? One fella seemed to imply that it might have been a site injection related incident, though I may have misunderstood what he was implying. There was something showing in his lung xray IIRC, possibly an embolism of some sort.

[sway]

Thanks, I misremembered. I do think, know, that there are cardiologists who are not familiar with hormones much who would advice not touching hormones at all in that situation. I'm not saying John is going about it the wrong way.

Did I understand it correctly, the LVH developed after his heart attack? Initially I think he said his heart was normal sized. The dead portion came after as well.

BTW, what do you think killed off Matt Porter? One fella seemed to imply that it might have been a site injection related incident, though I may have misunderstood what he was implying. There was something showing in his lung xray IIRC, possibly an embolism of some sort.

Don’t know what killed Porter, but didn’t his dad die of a heart attack at an early age? I believe that’s what made Porter quit cold turkey and he lost all that weight.
I used to see him weekly at a the gym, and the last year or so he was alive he looked so unhealthy. Constantly sweating and skin was purple. He was super big, and he wasn’t a tall guy. He had lost all his hair too. I only knew him a little, just made small talk in the gym. Didn’t know him well enough to say anything. But any of us had a good friend who looked like he did, we would be alarmed.....

[WalterWhite]

Thanks, I misremembered. I do think, know, that there are cardiologists who are not familiar with hormones much who would advice not touching hormones at all in that situation. I'm not saying John is going about it the wrong way.

Did I understand it correctly, the LVH developed after his heart attack? Initially I think he said his heart was normal sized. The dead portion came after as well.

BTW, what do you think killed off Matt Porter? One fella seemed to imply that it might have been a site injection related incident, though I may have misunderstood what he was implying. There was something showing in his lung xray IIRC, possibly an embolism of some sort.

John had his echocardiogram after his heart attack. That revealed his lower than optimal EF, mild LVH and "dead" apex. Left ventricular hypertrophic regression can concur especially with weight loss and normalizing hypertensive patients.

Matt died of congestive heart failure according to his wife. A MA General study showed "Using two-dimensional ultrasound imaging, researchers found that the left ventricle, the heart's main pumping chamber, was "significantly weaker" during contraction in those taking anabolic steroids compared to the non-steroid users."

I bring up LVH because it increases the risk for atrial fibrillation, diastolic heart failure, systolic heart failure, and sudden death in patients with hypertension.

Don’t know what killed Porter, but didn’t his dad die of a heart attack at an early age? I believe that’s what made Porter quit cold turkey and he lost all that weight.
I used to see him weekly at a the gym, and the last year or so he was alive he looked so unhealthy. Constantly sweating and skin was purple. He was super big, and he wasn’t a tall guy. He had lost all his hair too. I only knew him a little, just made small talk in the gym. Didn’t know him well enough to say anything. But any of us had a good friend who looked like he did, we would be alarmed.....

His dad died of prostate cancer and shortly after that Matt then found out his BP had been too high for too long and he was in heart failure. This is all according to his wife. So going back to bb was certainly not the best idea.

[Matt]

WalterWhite - I did a heart ultrasound / MRI in August of 2019, and the results were "perfect" according to my nurse practitioner who reviewed the results.  I only recently asked if I could have the results sent to my doctor, I guess because I figured things were ok.

Do you have any suggestions as far as health tests, to determine if we have anything wrong with our hearts?  I would like to get them all...unfortunately here in Canada we have "free" healthcare which means we probably have access to 50% of the services an American would get using private health insurance.

[Van_Bilderass]

John had his echocardiogram after his heart attack. That revealed his lower than optimal EF, mild LVH and "dead" apex. Left ventricular hypertrophic regression can concur especially with weight loss and normalizing hypertensive patients.

Matt died of congestive heart failure according to his wife. A MA General study showed "Using two-dimensional ultrasound imaging, researchers found that the left ventricle, the heart's main pumping chamber, was "significantly weaker" during contraction in those taking anabolic steroids compared to the non-steroid users."

I bring up LVH because it increases the risk for atrial fibrillation, diastolic heart failure, systolic heart failure, and sudden death in patients with hypertension.

His dad died of prostate cancer and shortly after that Matt then found out his BP had been too high for too long and he was in heart failure. This is all according to his wife. So going back to bb was certainly not the best idea.

After John had his heart attack he said his heart was normal size and it was just a blood clot and he expected these new tests would show everything was fine. He kind of emphasized that the heart looked fine. But now at this test he suddenly had LVH and the rest  - so it sounds to me that the LVH developed after the heart attack? I don't know if it's something that can occur quickly like that which is why I asked. What do you think, did they not measure ventricle thickness initially or what?

I know Matt had heart failure years ago but even though I sort of followed him I didn't see him mention it except that he had some type of "issue" that made him get off. I got the impression that as his dad passed he started to think about his health.
Anyway, someone mentioned "something" in his lung and I got the impression that some thought he might have done something that caused the death acutely. Like an oil embolism (my speculation).
I don't know if Matt was honest about his level of use after his health problems. Said he was doing 200mg test and 2iu GH but he was real big but getting constant blood work, very low BP which he posted on IG etc. His wife said he did the HRT plus a few weeks of a single compound in microdose a few times.

[Van_Bilderass]

Anyway, someone mentioned "something" in his lung and I got the impression that some thought he might have done something that caused the death acutely. Like an oil embolism (my speculation).

A quick google said this:

Porter’s wife announced the passing of her husband in a lengthy Facebook post on May 30. Rachel wrote that since competing at the Emerald Cup at the beginning of May, Porter had not been feeling well. Rachel said that her husband had visited doctors on multiple occasions as he feared he had contracted pneumonia. Doctors told Porter that he just had a bad cold.

After one visit, a doctor requested a CT scan as he noticed a growth on Porter’s lung. At the time of the bodybuilder’s death, Rachel says the results of that CT are not in.

I don't know if it was ever clarified what that thing in his lung was.

[WalterWhite]

After John had his heart attack he said his heart was normal size and it was just a blood clot and he expected these new tests would show everything was fine. He kind of emphasized that the heart looked fine. But now at this test he suddenly had LVH and the rest  - so it sounds to me that the LVH developed after the heart attack? I don't know if it's something that can occur quickly like that which is why I asked. What do you think, did they not measure ventricle thickness initially or what?

I know Matt had heart failure years ago but even though I sort of followed him I didn't see him mention it except that he had some type of "issue" that made him get off. I got the impression that as his dad passed he started to think about his health.
Anyway, someone mentioned "something" in his lung and I got the impression that some thought he might have done something that caused the death acutely. Like an oil embolism (my speculation).
I don't know if Matt was honest about his level of use after his health problems. Said he was doing 200mg test and 2iu GH but he was real big but getting constant blood work, very low BP which he posted on IG etc. His wife said he did the HRT plus a few weeks of a single compound in microdose a few times.

I'm not sure what other tests John had but usually and echo is used for lvh/ef. Also with all the tests etc things can become confusing/stressful for patients so who knows. As I mentioned before it can regress with treatment (valve replacement) or what I mentioned before.  He went over the echo in the video so I just assumed it was the first.

Matt was likely on a lot of heart meds after the heart failure diagnosis but that can cause fluid build up in the lungs that mirrors bronchitis. You def don't want to bulk up with HF. I mentioned what LVH can do and an arrhythmia can just stop your heart. He posted his steroid experiments so no secret there. Again with a wife and child I wish he just let bb go. 

[Body-Buildah]

And yet another Thongolian goes quietly, nobly  into that good night.  'n' sheit. 

I wish him nothing but the wurst.

Fouad and Meadows are actually good people. A bit rare in this odd industry.
Many would ignore the Doc, Fouad seems to care about his health more as he ages.
A good thing I think.

[MAXX]

45+ and high dose roids = idiotic. Even 40+..

Palumbo is another one that learned the hard way. Got some serious heart issues(and probably had other issues aswell), and got so scared he went cold turkey off steroids and still is off.

[mphgrove]

Fouad and Meadows are actually good people. A bit rare in this odd industry.
Many would ignore the Doc, Fouad seems to care about his health more as he ages.
A good thing I think.

Yes seem like good people, and Fouad message to fans straightforward and heart felt.

[Rusty Trombone]

Looks like he's out of this thing for good...



https://www.instagram.com/p/CF4kf9vh0D0/

Guys I sincerely want to thank you all for urging me to compete. This was one of the reasons I waited so long to announce. I thought everything was fine but when I started to push my body in the final stages of prep it just wasn’t a good idea any more.
🔸
I hope you guys can understand my health has to come first. I will still be working hard to give back in the form of the podcast, whiteboard videos, cooking videos, training videos, etc but I think the days of pushing my body past the limit are behind me.

#walkyourownpath

Quitter!   

[WalterWhite]

WalterWhite - I did a heart ultrasound / MRI in August of 2019, and the results were "perfect" according to my nurse practitioner who reviewed the results.  I only recently asked if I could have the results sent to my doctor, I guess because I figured things were ok.

Do you have any suggestions as far as health tests, to determine if we have anything wrong with our hearts?  I would like to get them all...unfortunately here in Canada we have "free" healthcare which means we probably have access to 50% of the services an American would get using private health insurance.

Just keep up with regular bloodwork and physicals.