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Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
« on: September 08, 2020, 07:30:05 AM »
 

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Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2020, 08:42:58 AM »
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Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2020, 08:44:29 AM »
This was the first thing that came to mind. Looks just like the thumbnail.



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Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2020, 09:04:05 AM »
I'm sure it was genetic, whatever it was.

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Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2020, 09:13:29 AM »
He'll be dead in a week then, right? Whenever these guys give health reports it means they aren't doing well.

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Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2020, 09:17:20 AM »
He'll be dead in a week then, right? Whenever these guys give health reports it means they aren't doing well.
Reminds me of when Rich Piana went to the doctor and had him tell the camera how healthy Rich was.  The next video was Rich telling about the new rice diet he was on and soon after he was dead.

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Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2020, 09:23:52 AM »
Reminds me of when Rich Piana went to the doctor and had him tell the camera how healthy Rich was.  The next video was Rich telling about the new rice diet he was on and soon after he was dead.

Exactly. The last vid of Ric Draisin had him saying how his kidneys were getting better too.

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Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2020, 09:53:32 AM »
Bodybuilding is basically about having body dysmorphic disorder and being in denial about side effects, so nothing surprises me at this point.  :-\

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Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2020, 10:02:14 AM »
John used a LOT of gear in his day. Does damage to heart. A 35% ejection fraction is not good. My recent tests have me at 65% which is outstanding for my age group.
I never used gear, but have been doing Dr. supervised TRT for a couple of years now, my bloods have never changed (only test marker went up, other numbers stayed put).

sometimes its too late when one finds out. John will just need to stay on the 100 Mg TRT and become a cardio nut. (Not overdone extreme cardio, just a good 1 hour walk a day to strengthen heart). I do a walk outside (hilly area) for 45 mins each day, great for cardiac muscle.

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Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2020, 10:03:11 AM »
Notes -

Testosterone is 852 ng/dl on 100mg/week. Claims he was on 200mg/wk pre-heart attack. Went cold turkey post HA, levels dropped to 53 ng/dl. Cholesterol levels fine, all numbers looked healthy mid-range. C reactive protein levels very low, credits leanness.

Pause it at 11:38 to see long blood panel. Looks good to normalish.

Pause at 14:37 to see the rest.

Pause 19:07 - C . Artery Blood Flow test good / normal.

Pause 24:00, this is the nasty part, thought he was going to die - Ejection fraction bad - 30-35%, blood clot found apex of left ventricle.

Rest of the video is discussing that part, and treatment.


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Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2020, 10:09:50 AM »
John used a LOT of gear in his day. Does damage to heart. A 35% ejection fraction is not good. My recent tests have me at 65% which is outstanding for my age group.
I never used gear, but have been doing Dr. supervised TRT for a couple of years now, my bloods have never changed (only test marker went up, other numbers stayed put).

sometimes its too late when one finds out. John will just need to stay on the 100 Mg TRT and become a cardio nut. (Not overdone extreme cardio, just a good 1 hour walk a day to strengthen heart). I do a walk outside (hilly area) for 45 mins each day, great for cardiac muscle.
Not only are walks good for the body but the mind as well.

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Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2020, 10:26:18 AM »
Notes -

Testosterone is 852 ng/dl on 100mg/week. Claims he was on 200mg/wk pre-heart attack. Went cold turkey post HA, levels dropped to 53 ng/dl. Cholesterol levels fine, all numbers looked healthy mid-range. C reactive protein levels very low, credits leanness.

Pause it at 11:38 to see long blood panel. Looks good to normalish.

Pause at 14:37 to see the rest.

Pause 19:07 - C . Artery Blood Flow test good / normal.

Pause 24:00, this is the nasty part, thought he was going to die - Ejection fraction bad - 30-35%, blood clot found apex of left ventricle.

Rest of the video is discussing that part, and treatment.


We need to organise some sort of award for you dude  8)


ps - The Doc explains things really really well all the way through
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Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2020, 10:31:11 AM »
Notes -

Testosterone is 852 ng/dl on 100mg/week. Claims he was on 200mg/wk pre-heart attack. Went cold turkey post HA, levels dropped to 53 ng/dl. Cholesterol levels fine, all numbers looked healthy mid-range. C reactive protein levels very low, credits leanness.

Pause it at 11:38 to see long blood panel. Looks good to normalish.

Pause at 14:37 to see the rest.

Pause 19:07 - C . Artery Blood Flow test good / normal.

Pause 24:00, this is the nasty part, thought he was going to die - Ejection fraction bad - 30-35%, blood clot found apex of left ventricle.

Rest of the video is discussing that part, and treatment.

I admire your tenacity..

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Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2020, 10:47:47 AM »
Was it worth it  ???

He should have realised that he wasn't made for the thong when he still looked like shit after his first heavy cycle.

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Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2020, 10:55:46 AM »
You can see the anxiety in him when discussing the bad part. It's tough hearing the lower part of your heart is not moving, basically dead. Said he was feeling great so very shocked at the news. This other doc said there is a chance it might come back alive, to a degree. So now the question is for John to decide if he wants the pacemaker implant. I think I read somewhere that Palumbo has this device in his chest?

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Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2020, 01:14:05 PM »
You can see the anxiety in him when discussing the bad part. It's tough hearing the lower part of your heart is not moving, basically dead. Said he was feeling great so very shocked at the news. This other doc said there is a chance it might come back alive, to a degree. So now the question is for John to decide if he wants the pacemaker implant. I think I read somewhere that Palumbo has this device in his chest?
These bodybuilders with health problems should go on a crusade to educate others about how unhealthy the lifestyle is instead of living in denial, like Morton Downey, Jr and others did with smoking.  They could save a lot of young people from future harm.

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Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2020, 01:57:07 PM »
These bodybuilders with health problems should go on a crusade to educate others about how unhealthy the lifestyle is instead of living in denial, like Morton Downey, Jr and others did with smoking.  They could save a lot of young people from future harm.

I'm sure he has mixed feelings about that. John knows, as does everyone, that it doesn't matter if some drop dead, it won't stop use in most cases. You can maybe teach risk management, like catching problems earlier, monitoring BP and perhaps more extensive checkups every now and then, what practises are the most dangerous, what to avoid and so on. The lifestyle is very addictive which I know from experience, and potentially dying early won't stop many. There are lots of guys who continue on despite severe issues. For example, an aquaintance of mine developed some acute kidney issues a few years back, ended up in the ER with sky high BP, multiple organ failure etc. He came out alive but docs said he now had 50% kidney function. He was off for maybe a year but then started again, by the looks of him doing less steroids. But a year later he was back in the ER, only now it was worse, he was put in a coma for weeks. Now he is on dialysis and hoping for a transplant.

Now we kid about bodybuilders blaming issues on genes but John's both parents died early from heart attacks, so he probably had a predisposition. When John had his heart attack the docs said his heart was normal size, but he now developed LVH and the dead tissue. From what I've seen he has preached moderation for years, about doing health checkups and using supps and meds proactively to avoid issues. Not that long ago he warned about doing tren constantly and predicting a lot of kidney issues in the near future.

Sure he could say doing any steroids is not worth like Matarazzo did but would it have any effect?
John did say he had doubts about talking about this at all, since people would be talking shit.

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Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2020, 02:03:27 PM »
You can see the anxiety in him when discussing the bad part. It's tough hearing the lower part of your heart is not moving, basically dead. Said he was feeling great so very shocked at the news. This other doc said there is a chance it might come back alive, to a degree. So now the question is for John to decide if he wants the pacemaker implant. I think I read somewhere that Palumbo has this device in his chest?

He said he's getting a MUGA in 2 months time.  If his EF is 35 or over the Doc in the video says he won't need the procedure

What's the betting we see the first vegetarian Mountain Dog between now and then?  (too soon?  ;D)
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Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2020, 02:21:35 PM »
He said he's getting a MUGA in 2 months time.  If his EF is 35 or over the Doc in the video says he won't need the procedure

What's the betting we see the first vegetarian Mountain Dog between now and then?  (too soon?  ;D)

I doubt he is going to do anything drastic wrt to diet, though it's understandable when people go a bit insane from fear of death. Some become very religious nothing wrong with spirituality but people can't think straight when afraid.
One nutrition and training expert here in Sweden developed some kind of cancer with tumors in his legs. I had thought he was a very sharp dude but then I saw where he started extreme fasting, going weeks without eating, even having days with "dry fasting", where you can't drink or even brush your teeth, all to stimulate autophagy, hoping the cancerous cells will be eaten up. And when he does eat it's just organ meats, vegetables are outright dangerous full if toxic substances. He claimed it was working.

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Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2020, 02:36:17 PM »
I'm sure he has mixed feelings about that. John knows, as does everyone, that it doesn't matter if some drop dead, it won't stop use in most cases. You can maybe teach risk management, like catching problems earlier, monitoring BP and perhaps more extensive checkups every now and then, what practises are the most dangerous, what to avoid and so on. The lifestyle is very addictive which I know from experience, and potentially dying early won't stop many. There are lots of guys who continue on despite severe issues. For example, an aquaintance of mine developed some acute kidney issues a few years back, ended up in the ER with sky high BP, multiple organ failure etc. He came out alive but docs said he now had 50% kidney function. He was off for maybe a year but then started again, by the looks of him doing less steroids. But a year later he was back in the ER, only now it was worse, he was put in a coma for weeks. Now he is on dialysis and hoping for a transplant.

Now we kid about bodybuilders blaming issues on genes but John's both parents died early from heart attacks, so he probably had a predisposition. When John had his heart attack the docs said his heart was normal size, but he now developed LVH and the dead tissue. From what I've seen he has preached moderation for years, about doing health checkups and using supps and meds proactively to avoid issues. Not that long ago he warned about doing tren constantly and predicting a lot of kidney issues in the near future.

Sure he could say doing any steroids is not worth like Matarazzo did but would it have any effect?
John did say he had doubts about talking about this at all, since people would be talking shit.
They probably should see a therapist first for body dysmorphia.

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Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2020, 03:25:52 PM »
They probably should see a therapist first for body dysmorphia.

I wonder if that's even a thing?  I mean, the anorexia angle is well established, but has anyone ever hear of the reverse being treated in mainstream medicine - the 'Bigorexia' side of things - intredasting... off for a Google  ;D
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Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2020, 03:45:20 PM »
I don't think it's just the physique part that's addicting about steroids. Many juicers don't mind downsizing a bit but the idea of never again feeling that strength, wellbeing, positive aggression, high sex drive etc from high androgen levels doesn't sound very attractive for many of us. Going off completely would make longtime juicers feel like a ghost, a shell of a person. So they would rather die than go off.

John said he got off for a while and felt terrible and docs didn't seem to have a problem with test replacement, it's not good for the heart to have low test but it's even worse for the mind.

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Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2020, 04:50:20 PM »
Do gear for most of your adult life and you're most likely going to pay for it at some point later on.   I did a few short cycles in my earlier days, but I haven't touched the stuff in 20 years.  I'm going to put off TRT for as long as possible.

I've always liked John and his vids.  I hope his heart condition improves.

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Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2020, 04:59:49 PM »
I wonder if that's even a thing?  I mean, the anorexia angle is well established, but has anyone ever hear of the reverse being treated in mainstream medicine - the 'Bigorexia' side of things - intredasting... off for a Google  ;D

Wow - so it is a thing - who knew?  Probably all of you LOL...

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Muscle dysmorphia is a subtype of the obsessive mental disorder body dysmorphic disorder, but is often also grouped with eating disorders.[1][2] In muscle dysmorphia, which is sometimes called "bigorexia", "megarexia", or "reverse anorexia", the delusional or exaggerated belief is that one's own body is too small, too skinny, insufficiently muscular, or insufficiently lean, although in most cases, the individual's build is normal or even exceptionally large and muscular already.[1][3]

Muscle dysmorphia affects mostly males, particularly those involved in sports where body size or weight are competitive factors, becoming rationales to gain muscle or become leaner.[3] The quest to seemingly fix one's body consumes inordinate time, attention, and resources, as on exercise routines, dietary regimens, and nutritional supplementation, while use of anabolic steroids is also common.[1][3] Other body-dysmorphic preoccupations that are not muscle-dysmorphic are usually present as well.[1]

Although likened to anorexia nervosa,[2][4] muscle dysmorphia is especially difficult to recognize, since awareness of it is scarce and persons experiencing muscle dysmorphia typically remain healthy looking.[3] The distress and distraction of muscle dysmorphia provoke absences from school, work, and social settings.[1][5] Compared to other body dysmorphic disorders, rates of suicide attempts are especially high with muscle dysmorphia.[1] Researchers believe that muscle dysmorphia's incidence is rising, partly due to the recent cultural emphasis on muscular male bodies.[3][6]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_dysmorphia


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Re: Health report - John Meadows - Good news/Bad news
« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2020, 05:14:41 PM »
So did the stroke cause the lower Ejection Fraction?

Or did he have an impaired one before the stroke?