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How long does it take to start seeing a difference in a first time user with a decent diet and weight routine on 250 mg per week?
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You'll feel it within a day.
My 2 cents is why bother?
Unless you keep on it the results disappear and if you keep on it your natural test production will cease.
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You'll feel it within a day.
But why bother?
Unless you keep on it the results disappear and if you keep on it you'll mess yourself up.
so it is enough to get leaner and ad a little mass?
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so it is enough to get leaner and ad a little mass?
These drugs are powerful. Do they work? Yes.
But why not just train intelligently, eat well, and do some cardio if you want to lean up?
Unless you have some physical issue you'll have success naturally.
Check out my training log. I don't use drugs. Been training 40 years.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=646168.775
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so it is enough to get leaner and ad a little mass?
Yes but over time it’s not going to give the initial quick gains a cycle would but stay on it for a good while and will definitely see gains just nothing dramatic
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That's closer to a high TRT dose than it is to a cycle. How old are you, did you ever get bloods done to see what your normal test is?
You'll see some fat loss and tightening up, but dont expect super-muscles on such a dose.
If you have Low T you'll notice some good things (libido, well being, energy, etc).
Always good to know your starting numbers before jumping into test/gear. Also monitor your bloods for the normal markers (lipids, liver, hematocrit, etc).
Even that dose can affect your normal bloods.
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Well I'm taking cyp.for the first time, was always an ent man, and I've never been so strong. 500lb squats, 160lb db inclines, 135 db shoulder press. Weirdly my deadlift hasnt budged though. Still stuck on 560lbs which I've been able to do for years
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4 days ... To actually feel it, more time for gains .... You'll gain some water and get full earlier than you make any real gains.
250 is pretty low
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Well I'm taking cyp.for the first time, was always an ent man, and I've never been so strong. 500lb squats, 160lb db inclines, 135 db shoulder press. Weirdly my deadlift hasnt budged though. Still stuck on 560lbs which I've been able to do for years
You've probably just got a better dosed product (less underdosed)
There is no noticeable difference in gains between esters E and C they are very similar.
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so it is enough to get leaner and ad a little mass?
Don't expect miracles at that dose, also you will retain water so will probably look less lean if anything.
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Well I'm taking cyp.for the first time, was always an ent man, and I've never been so strong. 500lb squats, 160lb db inclines, 135 db shoulder press. Weirdly my deadlift hasnt budged though. Still stuck on 560lbs which I've been able to do for years
Same lab? One might be higher does as Cyp and Enanth are really no different (different ester but close to identical).
Testosterone Cypionate has a half-life of 12 days whereas its like 10-11 days for Testosterone Enanthate.
Most of the time interchangeable, but some folks may react differently to the ester/break down.
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How long does it take to start seeing a difference in a first time user with a decent diet and weight routine on 250 mg per week?
Going by the mirror :
If you weigh 160lbs then in a week you will see a difference. If you weigh 220 at 20+ body fat, then after 2 months, you won't see any difference at all except the occasional pimple perhaps.
Going by the amount of weights you lift :
In about 2 weeks.
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Within a week your dick is going to get more active, but you aren't really going to see anything for a few weeks on that dose. Like others have said, you are going to gain a little water and look a bit "fuller", but not by very much. That is a very low dose if you are interested in actually gaining mass. You will get a little stronger and have better workouts, but don't expect anything crazy.
As Lurker said, the leaner you are the faster you will notice something. If you are a little chubby, you probably won't notice much at all. This is why you see so many guys doubting their gear is real, if you're not lean you aren't going to notice anything for a few weeks. If you're like 8-10% BF, you will see a difference pretty quickly.
If you have low T and really need this for medical reasons, you will feel a good boost in energy after a 1-2 weeks.
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Within a week your dick is going to get more active, but you aren't really going to see anything for a few weeks on that dose. Like others have said, you are going to gain a little water and look a bit "fuller", but not by very much. That is a very low dose if you are interested in actually gaining mass. You will get a little stronger and have better workouts, but don't expect anything crazy.
As Lurker said, the leaner you are the faster you will notice something. If you are a little chubby, you probably won't notice much at all. This is why you see so many guys doubting their gear is real, if you're not lean you aren't going to notice anything for a few weeks. If you're like 8-10% BF, you will see a difference pretty quickly.
If you have low T and really need this for medical reasons, you will feel a good boost in energy after a 1-2 weeks.
If you have decent genetics a first time dose is more than enough to gain on, if you dont gain then try 500, if you still dont gain then give up, you are not cut out for it as you are a shit responder.
All you are going to end up doing is keep doubling your dose and find out its still not working, you either have receptors or you dont.
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Tbh, I made some of my best gains on that exact dosage, nothing else. Granted, I had been training for 12 years at that point but I ran nothing other than 250mg test cyp for nearly two years. As long as training and nutrition is on point, which it rarely is for most, then you will make improvements. I never believed it but I experienced it first hand. Will you get to Ronnie Coleman type mass? Probably not but you’ll be surprised how much you can grow off that amount.
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Its been debunked more test doesn't mean more gains. You will want to compound it with good androgenic compounds if you actually want mass. Test is only good for a base, anything more and you're experiencing more side.effects then you are results.
250 is enough if you stay on long term. If you want a short xycle then throw in some orals or other liquid conpounds thay will actually make you grow.
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IronNat, for years and years I've been reading your antisteroid posts.
You haven't used roids as you say,so how why the hell did you say he will feel 250mg test within a day..... which is ridiculous in every way.
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No, with 250mg you will not feel anything within "4 days" or a week, not even libido unless you are severely hypogonadal beforehand. Those who say they otherwise are experiencing placebo.
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These drugs are powerful. Do they work? Yes.
But why not just train intelligently, eat well, and do some cardio if you want to lean up?
Unless you have some physical issue you'll have success naturally.
Check out my training log. I don't use drugs. Been training 40 years.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=646168.775
Is that you in the youtube video posted along your training log?
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Anyone know anything about Deca Cypionate?
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Same lab? One might be higher does as Cyp and Enanth are really no different (different ester but close to identical).
Testosterone Cypionate has a half-life of 12 days whereas its like 10-11 days for Testosterone Enanthate.
Most of the time interchangeable, but some folks may react differently to the ester/break down.
The other thing to remember is those half life's are quoted from scientific studies, they are really best guesses, study participants means.... The real half lives in an individual can be quite different, varying by days, so this makes the very small difference between the two esters even less noticeable.
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The other thing to remember is those half life's are quoted from scientific studies, they are really best guesses, study participants means.... The real half lives in an individual can be quite different, varying by days, so this makes the very small difference between the two esters even less noticeable.
I've written about this before, but even studies say the half-life of enanthate, a similar ester, is like 2-5 days. The 10 or 12 day half-life is pulled out of someone's ass. I've never found any reference supporting this. For stable levels every 5 days is good, more often even better, though once a week will work fine, at higher dose even less frequent will work too. That's because the peak will be higher with higher dose the less frequently and levels never bottom out anyway, even if you go every 10 days - say at 500mg+.
Just test will be somewhat of a disappointment for most. For fast immediate response adding just a tiny touch of orals will be really gratifying. Say even 15mg of dbol.
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You'll feel it within a day.
My 2 cents is why bother?
Unless you keep on it the results disappear and if you keep on it your natural test production will cease.
I never understand this argument. If you stop training and/or proper nutrition your results will also disappear. Everything in life that you do for benefits and results will stop producing those benefits and results once you stop. In fact, it doesn't really matter what you do, everything in life is temporary. Even life itself.
When it comes to the decision of whether or not you want to take testosterone look at it this way. Eventually your levels are going to be below reference range due to aging. So your quality of life will eventually decline as well. If you want to delay this then it would be to your advantage to supplement and replace what you are losing due to age. And, yes, you will be doing this for as long as you want this enhanced quality of life and health for that matter. This applies to various nutritional supplements that do help with energy levels and the various aches and pains. This also applies to medications such as the Synvisc injections I take for my knees (a gel-like mixture made from a substance called hyaluronan that lubricates and cushions the joints).
So if someone plans to do resistance training for the rest of his life I think it is a very good idea to make sure you have the sufficient anabolic support to make all that effort both productive and worthwhile.
Again, it depends on your perspective on life. My years are limited and I want to make the most of those years for the longest period of time and will take advantage of anything and everything, as long as the trade-off between health and quality of life is rationally balanced. When I compare myself to most my own age, when I compare myself to my father when he was my age, I feel that even if I die tomorrow the trade off would have been worth it.
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About the only anti-steroid argument I've ever respected was the one about it being less enjoyable to train "off" once you've been "on". All the rest are mostly shrug-offable.
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Might as well push it to 1 gram or 1.5 and call it a day
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IronNat, for years and years I've been reading your antisteroid posts.
You haven't used roids as you say,so how why the hell did you say he will feel 250mg test within a day..... which is ridiculous in every way.
This is Getbig.
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Is that you in the youtube video posted along your training log?
Good one Pellius.
That's me in my avatar.
;)
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I never understand this argument. If you stop training and/or proper nutrition your results will also disappear. Everything in life that you do for benefits and results will stop producing those benefits and results once you stop. In fact, it doesn't really matter what you do, everything in life is temporary. Even life itself.
When it comes to the decision of whether or not you want to take testosterone look at it this way. Eventually your levels are going to be below reference range due to aging. So your quality of life will eventually decline as well. If you want to delay this then it would be to your advantage to supplement and replace what you are losing due to age. And, yes, you will be doing this for as long as you want this enhanced quality of life and health for that matter. This applies to various nutritional supplements that do help with energy levels and the various aches and pains. This also applies to medications such as the Synvisc injections I take for my knees (a gel-like mixture made from a substance called hyaluronan that lubricates and cushions the joints).
So if someone plans to do resistance training for the rest of his life I think it is a very good idea to make sure you have the sufficient anabolic support to make all that effort both productive and worthwhile.
Again, it depends on your perspective on life. My years are limited and I want to make the most of those years for the longest period of time and will take advantage of anything and everything, as long as the trade-off between health and quality of life is rationally balanced. When I compare myself to most my own age, when I compare myself to my father when he was my age, I feel that even if I die tomorrow the trade off would have been worth it.
Yes, but the OP is only 12.
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Might as well push it to 1 gram or 1.5 and call it a day
X2 it's all or nothing baby, stop being a pussy!
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No, with 250mg you will not feel anything within "4 days" or a week, not even libido unless you are severely hypogonadal beforehand. Those who say they otherwise are experiencing placebo.
Trust me, i can feel it in my dick within a week. But i'm talking about doing a real cycle with orals included. I can literally feel a difference in how my dick works, not so much libido, but it will get hard as a rock in like 3 seconds flat.
I still don't think 250mg is going to be worth the effort. Gains are all relative, i'm sure you can pack on some mass over a long period of time on that dose, but i guess it depends on your goals. For me, being on 250mg a week is just enough to keep my size, sure i make some little gains here and there, but it's nothing like being on 750mg of Test with some Deca thrown in.
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Has anyone ever tried Deca Cypionate? I got a bottle for the hell of it and was thinking about adding it to the mix. Just can’t find much info about how well it works compared to durabolin
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Has anyone ever tried Deca Cypionate? I got a bottle for the hell of it and was thinking about adding it to the mix. Just can’t find much info about how well it works compared to durabolin
It's just Nandrolone with a shorter ester. I've never used it, but i'd imagine it's not much different, just a shorter half life.
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so it is enough to get leaner and ad a little mass?
Not really. 250mgs is going to shut you down and your body will convert a bunch to estrogen and dht and possibly shbg will deactivate the rest.
For purposes of TRT its too much for the reasons i just gave you.
If you want to explore what testosterone can do for you start with 500 and take an AI (i prefer low dose letro but aromasin works good) or preferably something to lower SHBG. proviron or masteron work good.
Worth noting insulin dramatically lowers shbg for a period of time. Probably a big reason high cal diets work best for building muscle. Not the only reason but something to consider.
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MEGA-DOSE ALL THE TIME,NEVER COME OFF....YOU WILL BE HUGE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111
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No, with 250mg you will not feel anything within "4 days" or a week, not even libido unless you are severely hypogonadal beforehand. Those who say they otherwise are experiencing placebo.
I dont know if this is true or not. Within 24 hours of a shot you have testosterone releasing into your system. Some may feel it who knows?
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Not really. 250mgs is going to shut you down and your body will convert a bunch to estrogen and dht and possibly shbg will deactivate the rest.
For purposes of TRT its too much for the reasons i just gave you.
If you want to explore what testosterone can do for you start with 500 and take an AI (i prefer low dose letro but aromasin works good) or preferably something to lower SHBG. proviron or masteron work good.
Worth noting insulin dramatically lowers shbg for a period of time. Probably a big reason high cal diets work best for building muscle. Not the only reason but something to consider.
250mg is definitely enough to grow. Some more, some less.
SHBG is not all bad. Besides, testosterone itself lowers SHBG in a dose dependent manner. SHBG is not something worth worrying about, it doesn't matter when juicing.
Estrogen is important, no reason to use AIs at these dosages. AIs will make you grow less, lower IGF-1, lower libido, cause joint pain and etc.
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I dont know if this is true or not. Within 24 hours of a shot you have testosterone releasing into your system. Some may feel it who knows?
Yes, when you inject testosterone it immediately gets into your system and starts to work. How that transfers into how you feel and any progress that you make varies among the individual. If you do a few sets of ball busting curls the muscle stimulation process goes to work immediate. How that translates into any progress in size and strength varies. You are certaining not going to get an immediate increase in actual muscle size after just one workout just like you aren't going to get instantly stronger after your Test injection.
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250mg is definitely enough to grow. Some more, some less.
SHBG is not all bad. Besides, testosterone itself lowers SHBG in a dose dependent manner. SHBG is not something worth worrying about, it doesn't matter when juicing.
Estrogen is important, no reason to use AIs at these dosages. AIs will make you grow less, lower IGF-1, lower libido, cause joint pain and etc.
Doesn't SHGB determine how much actual free Test you have which is what really counts as oppose to Total Test?
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Doesn't SHGB determine how much actual free Test you have which is what really counts as oppose to Total Test?
It's more complicated than that. Was a while back I read about it but there's been some rethinking of the role of SHBG. It protects testosterone from metabolization among other things. What I know is that it's of no concern for a juicer as all steroids lower SHBG and even if they didn't it still wouldn't matter considering how much is in unbound state.
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I dont know if this is true or not. Within 24 hours of a shot you have testosterone releasing into your system. Some may feel it who knows?
Only the moron Division made claims like that on here. Don't be a Division.
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Pic below is me on 250mg test for nearly two hours. Certainly works well just need to make sure the other variables are in check and you will grow.
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Pic below is me on 250mg test for nearly two hours. Certainly works well just need to make sure the other variables are in check and you will grow.
Two years not hours.
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Two years not hours.
Just a typo.
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Pic below is me on 250mg test for nearly two hours. Certainly works well just need to make sure the other variables are in check and you will grow.
From the pics you look pretty solid but why so far away from the camera?
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From the pics you look pretty solid but why so far away from the camera?
The closer I got, the “bigger” I looked lol. This was during my “offseason” and I was sending updates pics to a friend of mine for a critique. For some reason I can’t adjust sizing on my images now to upload a recent image. I can’t only resize old contest pics which I’m happy to post. Food was really high and training was going extremely well during these pics. Strength was through the roof (385x6 incline press, 405x15 bb squat, 8pps hack squat), good times. Point is, you can make a shit ton of improvements on very low doses if everything else is in check. If you’re training like a pussy and eating like a bird, you won’t see much of anything
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Food was really high and training was going extremely well during these pics. Strength was through the roof (385x6 incline press, 405x15 bb squat, 8pps hack squat), good times. Point is, you can make a shit ton of improvements on very low doses if everything else is in check. If you’re training like a pussy and eating like a bird, you won’t see much of anything
Was this an all time high of strength and size? Never bigger and stronger?
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Was this an all time high of strength and size? Never bigger and stronger?
Heaviest scale weight and best combo of size with visible lines at any point, yes. Strength wise, I cant say if my max lifts got better. I’m assuming so but I haven’t tried a Max lift on anything in almost a decade at this point. Rep wise, it was easily my strongest. I was handling a good amount of weight considerably high reps. I May get back on the train one more time but I am pretty content where I’m at now.
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Don't expect miracles at that dose, also you will retain water so will probably look less lean if anything.
Everyone is different but you're barely gonna hold any water on 250mgs. I could go up to 500 and not see much fluid retention