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Title: WTF, does these guys even train????
Post by: joswift on November 28, 2020, 11:13:44 AM
https://www.facebook.com/btsport/videos/857735835037960
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Post by: US MUSL on November 28, 2020, 11:24:34 AM
from the short promo videos I thought Tyson would be in much better shape.
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Post by: robcguns on November 28, 2020, 12:19:27 PM
Tyson is rocking 13” guns
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Post by: Kwon on November 28, 2020, 12:20:17 PM
They look the same!

Thought Tyson would be bigger
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Post by: Hypertrophy on November 28, 2020, 12:26:18 PM
https://www.facebook.com/btsport/videos/857735835037960

Geesh- that is embarrassing. It looks like two old guys about to fight over who gets the recliner.
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Post by: joswift on November 28, 2020, 12:26:27 PM
how do you train to get in a boxing ring and look like that?

They are not even that old....

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Post by: BB on November 28, 2020, 12:30:19 PM
from the short promo videos I thought Tyson would be in much better shape.

Tyson did look better, then the postponement happened. I'm guessing the 3+ months of extra sitting around took some of the wind out of his sails.
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Post by: TheShape. on November 28, 2020, 12:36:12 PM
Yes because only fighters with ballooned bodybuilder muscles can actually fight.
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Post by: joswift on November 28, 2020, 12:38:24 PM
Yes because only fighters with ballooned bodybuilder muscles can actually fight.

its not about balloon muscles its any semblance of body tone, Im 55 and wouldnt take my shirt off in the shower if I looked like that..
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Post by: Mothballs on November 28, 2020, 12:41:01 PM
Tyson did look better, then the postponement happened. I'm guessing the 3+ months of extra sitting around took some of the wind out of his sails.
He looked better when he was photoshopped.
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Post by: hench on November 28, 2020, 12:49:47 PM
Jones looks the worst but both pretty sloppy. Their biceps nearly disappear when posed, a bit like in old cartoons when they'd tense a skinny arm and a tiny lump would pop up under the triceps  ;D
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Post by: Darren Avey on November 28, 2020, 03:19:04 PM
Yes because only fighters with ballooned bodybuilder muscles can actually fight.

Exactly.  At least one person knows what they're talking about.
Martyn Ford would destroy these two
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Post by: harmankardon1 on November 28, 2020, 03:25:53 PM
Tyson looks alright...

Jones is fat.
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Post by: pellius on November 28, 2020, 03:30:46 PM
We go through this time and time again, and others have gone through this for decades. People just don't understand that real athletes are less concerned with how they look than how they perform. Those that look good have a genetic predisposition to look good. Combat training is not conducive to building muscles. And having muscles in fighting sports is no indication of how good of a fighter you are.

This is Daniel Cormier at peak shape as he just came off a training camp to step into the Octagon when this pic was taken. Cormier competed in the 2008 Olympics in wrestling and is a two division world champion in the UFC losing only to Jon Jones, the best fighter to ever come out of MMA, and then to Stipe Miocic whom he previously knocked out in the first round to become the Heavy Weight champion. Cormier was forty years old when he lost the rematch to Miocic in which he retired.

Wrestling is one of the most physically grueling sports and the athletes are in top shape and at a level few can attain. Daniel Cormier represents the elite of the elite of athletes in combat sports.

(https://image-cdn.essentiallysports.com/wp-content/uploads/20200809130337/deesee-768x512.jpg)
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Post by: che on November 28, 2020, 03:31:29 PM
its not about balloon muscles its any semblance of body tone, Im 55 and wouldnt take my shirt off in the shower if I looked like that..
Get off the juice and see what happens
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Post by: pellius on November 28, 2020, 03:37:22 PM
Get off the juice and see what happens

QFT
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Post by: che on November 28, 2020, 03:51:14 PM
We go through this time and time again, and others have gone through this for decades. People just don't understand that real athletes are less concerned with how they look than how they perform. Those that look good have a genetic predisposition to look good. Combat training is not conducive to building muscles. And having muscles in fighting sports is no indication of how good of a fighter you are.

This is Daniel Cormier at peak shape as he just came off a training camp to step into the Octagon when this pic was taken. Cormier competed in the 2008 Olympics in wrestling and is a two division world champion in the UFC losing only to Jon Jones, the best fighter to ever come out of MMA, and then to Stipe Miocic whom he previously knocked out in the first round to become the Heavy Weight champion. Cormier was forty years old when he lost the rematch to Miocic in which he retired.

Wrestling is one of the most physically grueling sports and the athletes are in top shape and at a level few can attain. Daniel Cormier represents the elite of the elite of athletes in combat sports.

(https://image-cdn.essentiallysports.com/wp-content/uploads/20200809130337/deesee-768x512.jpg)
I agree with you,  but in the case of Tyson and Roy they look like shit because they are old and out of shape ,the fight is going to be a joke ,you'll see




BTW in their prime both looked great ,Cormier always looked like shit .


(https://i0.wp.com/www.sportsmanor.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/mike-tyson-roy-jones-jr-768x512-1.jpg?fit=768%2C512&ssl=1)


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Post by: jude2 on November 28, 2020, 04:11:44 PM
I am still looking forward to watching it tonight.  I think Mike is going to knock him out.
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Post by: pellius on November 28, 2020, 04:23:35 PM
I agree with you,  but in the case of Tyson and Roy they look like shit because they are old and out of shape ,the fight is going to be a joke ,you'll see




BTW in their prime both looked great ,Cormier always looked like shit .


(https://i0.wp.com/www.sportsmanor.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/mike-tyson-roy-jones-jr-768x512-1.jpg?fit=768%2C512&ssl=1)

They're old but going by their videos they are in much better shape than most people, including about 80% of the people that go to the gym regularly let alone people their age.
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Post by: pellius on November 28, 2020, 04:28:24 PM
I agree with you,  but in the case of Tyson and Roy they look like shit because they are old and out of shape ,the fight is going to be a joke ,you'll see




BTW in their prime both looked great ,Cormier always looked like shit .


(https://i0.wp.com/www.sportsmanor.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/mike-tyson-roy-jones-jr-768x512-1.jpg?fit=768%2C512&ssl=1)

I remember Kimbo and that other big Black dude that fought in Bellator. These guys trained every day prior to their fight. Lifting weights, running, sparring, wrestling, bag work... and still, they looked like they were about to have a heart attack -- actually, the other guy did have a heart attack while fighting Kimbo. When it comes to sports that require physical endurance by the time you are in your forties it pretty much over at the elite level.
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Post by: IroNat on November 28, 2020, 04:33:12 PM
Two old guys laying on each other for several rounds.
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Post by: che on November 28, 2020, 04:45:10 PM
I remember Kimbo and that other big Black dude that fought in Bellator. These guys trained every day prior to their fight. Lifting weights, running, sparring, wrestling, bag work... and still, they looked like they were about to have a heart attack -- actually, the other guy did have a heart attack while fighting Kimbo. When it comes to sports that require physical endurance by the time you are in your forties it pretty much over at the elite level.

I remember that fight ;D , worse Pro fight I have ever seen .
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Post by: BB on November 28, 2020, 04:53:31 PM
I remember that fight ;D , worse Pro fight I have ever seen .

Kimbo vs Dada 5000 -

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Post by: Jizmonkey on November 28, 2020, 07:02:26 PM
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Post by: Pray_4_War on November 28, 2020, 07:46:22 PM
These two old men still have fast hands......the question is can they still move their feet.  I have no idea what's going to happen in this fight but I hope neither of them get hurt.
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Post by: jude2 on November 28, 2020, 10:10:31 PM
Was impressed that Roy could take Mike's body punches.  The first was a little boring with Roy locking Mike up every time he landed a punch.
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Post by: pamith on November 28, 2020, 11:44:07 PM
What I don't understand is why are these 2 fighting, Mike Tyson is a heavy weight and Roy Jones is a lightweight, no? Tyson should be fighting someone his size, a heavyweight
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Post by: pellius on November 29, 2020, 12:20:31 AM
What I don't understand is why are these 2 fighting, Mike Tyson is a heavy weight and Roy Jones is a lightweight, no? Tyson should be fighting someone his size, a heavyweight

That's an easy one -- money. I'd fight Tyson or Jones for a fat paycheck regardless of their weight.
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Post by: Bevo on November 29, 2020, 12:34:17 AM
Two old guys laying on each other for several rounds.

As opposed to g4p, prancing around the stage with baby oil, entirely shaved body, in a thong, and putting your hand up to your ear for the crowd to cheer?

People in bbing were excited to see Levrone come back at 52 years old, even delusional jumbo palumbo thought he could beat phil
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Post by: joswift on November 29, 2020, 02:48:43 AM
Get off the juice and see what happens
Im not on any juice and haven't touched a weight for around 2 months and eaten what I like and still dont look like that, these are meant to be guys who are training cardio for hours a day , the shape Cormier is in in the photo pellius posted he must have ben drinking bottles of vegetable oil
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Post by: Kwon on November 29, 2020, 02:51:01 AM
Im not on any juice and haven't touched a weight for around 2 months and eaten what I like and still dont look like that, these are meant to be guys who are training cardio for hours a day , the shape Cormier is in in the photo pellius posted he must have ben drinking bottles of vegetable oil

I think they have another diet than you Jeffrey! :D


You know they love KFC and other junkfood
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Post by: joswift on November 29, 2020, 02:51:43 AM
I remember Kimbo and that other big Black dude that fought in Bellator. These guys trained every day prior to their fight. Lifting weights, running, sparring, wrestling, bag work... and still, they looked like they were about to have a heart attack -- actually, the other guy did have a heart attack while fighting Kimbo. When it comes to sports that require physical endurance by the time you are in your forties it pretty much over at the elite level.

Bernard Hopkins?
Randy Couture?
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Post by: Bevo on November 29, 2020, 03:28:23 AM
Bernard Hopkins?
Randy Couture?

The exception not the rule, couture is the only person over 40 that has won a UFC championship fight.

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Post by: joswift on November 29, 2020, 03:41:14 AM
The exception not the rule, couture is the only person over 40 that has won a UFC championship fight.
Thats because they look after themselves and not let it all go...
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Post by: Body-Buildah on November 29, 2020, 03:51:09 AM
Dont forget Alvey Culina, he beat Matt Hughes, both aging fighters.  ::)

In all seriousness, I enjoyed the Netflix show "Kingdom".

(https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/k_ep309-310_06165.jpg?w=605)

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Post by: jude2 on November 29, 2020, 06:41:26 PM
What I don't understand is why are these 2 fighting, Mike Tyson is a heavy weight and Roy Jones is a lightweight, no? Tyson should be fighting someone his size, a heavyweight
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Roy moved up every weight class all the way to win the HW title. They were close in weight at this fight.  They did it for the money.
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Post by: Methyl m1ke on November 29, 2020, 07:44:09 PM
Hmm

After the bout, Tyson indicated he smoked another joint, apparently before he met with the media to discuss his first fight in 15 years.

"Listen, I can’t stop smoking," he said. "I smoked during fights. I just have to smoke, I’m sorry. I’m a smoker. … I smoke everyday. I never stopped smoking."

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Post by: pellius on December 01, 2020, 01:16:55 AM
Bernard Hopkins?
Randy Couture?

Of course, there are exceptions, but even Couture use to complain that he didn't have the endurance he had when he was in his twenties despite having a better and more sophisticated training regime.
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Post by: pellius on December 01, 2020, 01:20:51 AM
I finally had a chance to watch the fight yesterday and I thought Tyson did great. Jones was obviously winded but not Tyson. Watching that bobbing and weaving brought back fond memories. The Tyson era was great. I don't really follow boxing anymore but during the 1980s it was great. So many great and interesting fighters during that era.
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Post by: pellius on December 01, 2020, 01:39:57 AM
Im not on any juice and haven't touched a weight for around 2 months and eaten what I like and still dont look like that, these are meant to be guys who are training cardio for hours a day , the shape Cormier is in in the photo pellius posted he must have ben drinking bottles of vegetable oil

Cormier is in one of the best shapes of his life. He just got off a gruelling training camp and is fighting for the UFC heavyweight championship. Daniel just never had
a ripped muscular physique. Even in his young days competing in the Bejing Olympics he was flabby. You don't get to the Olympics being lazy and out of shape. Big ripped muscles is no guarantee that you are in athletic condition. Does anybody really think Ramy, Roelly, Phil, or Curry could play a game of basketball or football, or go through even five rounds of boxing, or any sustained physical activity without passing out from exhaustion?
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Post by: POB on December 01, 2020, 01:40:28 AM
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If that photo that say a winner will not be declared was out before the fight all the sports books should give the bets back a lot of people bet one way or the other I didn’t hear anyone saying they were betting draw
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Post by: Darren Avey on December 01, 2020, 01:44:12 AM
Cormier is in one of the best shapes of his life. He just got off a gruelling training camp and is fighting for the UFC heavyweight championship. Daniel just never had
a ripped muscular physique. Even in his young days competing in the Bejing Olympics he was flabby. You don't get to the Olympics being lazy and out of shape. Big ripped muscles is no guarantee that you are in athletic condition. Does anybody really think Ramy, Roelly, Phil, or Curry could play a game of basketball or football, or go through even five rounds of boxing, or any sustained physical activity without passing out from exhaustion?

Ramy Roelly Phil and Brandon would dominate combat sport s
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Post by: joswift on December 01, 2020, 08:08:23 AM
Cormier is in one of the best shapes of his life. He just got off a gruelling training camp and is fighting for the UFC heavyweight championship. Daniel just never had
a ripped muscular physique. Even in his young days competing in the Bejing Olympics he was flabby. You don't get to the Olympics being lazy and out of shape. Big ripped muscles is no guarantee that you are in athletic condition. Does anybody really think Ramy, Roelly, Phil, or Curry could play a game of basketball or football, or go through even five rounds of boxing, or any sustained physical activity without passing out from exhaustion?

I just dont understand how they stay so fat and get that fit, thats my point, Im not dissing the guys , its just that if someone is training for hours a day they shouldnt be fat, Sumo guys amaze me as they do train hard..
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Post by: funk51 on December 01, 2020, 09:40:18 AM
Geesh- that is embarrassing. It looks like two old guys about to fight over who gets the recliner.
   good one
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Post by: pellius on December 02, 2020, 03:31:37 AM
I just dont understand how they stay so fat and get that fit, thats my point, Im not dissing the guys , its just that if someone is training for hours a day they shouldnt be fat, Sumo guys amaze me as they do train hard..

Point taken. I don't get it either. Your body kind of "forms" to the type of life/activity you engage in. Marathon runners will look like concentration camp victims, couch potatoes look like potatoes, and you would think a wrestler, though not necessarily being ripped, will have more muscle to fat ratio. A prime B.J. would go through a whole class, maybe about a dozen guys of all sizes and skill levels, tapping them one by one and leaving them exhausted. And the guy looked like a fat buddha head with no discernible muscle. There was nothing about him that would make you think he was an athlete of any sort. Very puzzling.

(https://www.onzuka.com/Photos/BJ%20Penn%20hand%20raised.jpg)
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Post by: Kwon on December 02, 2020, 03:33:19 AM
Metabolism of some people is quite the conundrum!
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Post by: oldtimer1 on December 02, 2020, 05:47:56 AM
Was impressed that Roy could take Mike's body punches.  The first was a little boring with Roy locking Mike up every time he landed a punch.

They were both pulling their punches. If Mike hit him with a body shot with bad intent Roy would have been done.
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Post by: Hypertrophy on December 02, 2020, 07:57:08 AM
Of course, there are exceptions, but even Couture use to complain that he didn't have the endurance he had when he was in his twenties despite having a better and more sophisticated training regime.

Endurance doesn't drop with age. Power does, but not endurance. I've raced against 65 year old guys who outlast 99% of the people in the pack in a 60 mile ride. That is against guys 20+.

What does happen is your brain starts questioning why the hell you should train or work out so hard, lol If you are motivated you can do some amazing things as you get older: https://www.bicycling.com/news/a20015881/105-year-old-frenchman-sets-cycling-hour-record-for-age-group/

Even more impressive is this: https://imga.ch/2020/09/22/61-year-old-sets-blazing-fast-age-group-world-record-in-the-mile/
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Post by: joswift on December 02, 2020, 09:03:08 AM
Point taken. I don't get it either. Your body kind of "forms" to the type of life/activity you engage in. Marathon runners will look like concentration camp victims, couch potatoes look like potatoes, and you would think a wrestler, though not necessarily being ripped, will have more muscle to fat ratio. A prime B.J. would go through a whole class, maybe about a dozen guys of all sizes and skill levels, tapping them one by one and leaving them exhausted. And the guy looked like a fat buddha head with no discernible muscle. There was nothing about him that would make you think he was an athlete of any sort. Very puzzling.

(https://www.onzuka.com/Photos/BJ%20Penn%20hand%20raised.jpg)

it puts up a valid argument that cardio alone is useless for fat loss.
Its all about calorific deficit