I'm pretty certain that Stipe is a steroid free athlete...If he took the same drugs as Francis would the outcome be different?...Maybe...A 260 lb Stipe with more punching power might change the game.
I'm pretty certain that Stipe is a steroid free athlete...If he took the same drugs as Francis would the outcome be different?...Maybe...A 260 lb Stipe with more punching power might change the game.
BGG or legit kigs?
Shut the fuck up already.
Tainted jollof rice
Stipe looked underweight in there. He should have kept his distance until at least the 3rd, as ngannou is too big to keep a decent a pace without gassing.
Hang on there, Abraham. You know I respect you. I know who you are here on the boards, and your background and knowledge, and you know I'd never get out of line with you. But unless I'm missing a beef between you and oldgolds, I sort of see his point there.
Ngannou is, IMO, a once-in-a-generation elite level freak athlete. I initially saw him as a one-trick pony with a hard punch, then as a one-trick pony with a hard punch fighting former top heavyweights and beating them because they had too many miles on them [wear and tear from years of fighting, nagging injuries, etc].
After last night, I can no longer pretend Ngannou is anything but the real deal.
But a bigger Stipe Miocic might be a harder fight. That said, a roided up Stipe is going to trade off some cardio to oxidize that muscle. That's just what muscle mass does.
But might there be some truth in the thought that Stipe is clean and Ngannou is juiced? The UFC needs a big star, and Ronda Rousey is long gone, and Conor McGregor seems to be done.
Is it possible that with the assistance of Dana White, Francis is getting around USADA testing somehow?
Stipe is 6'4" and 234-lb. Hardly an impossible physique to achieve for a 38-year-old longtime athlete. Ngannou is 263-lb and leaner, at the same height.
Is it really unreasonable to think Ngannou may be juiced, and
that he foughtt a clean Miocic last night?
Hang on there, Abraham. You know I respect you. I know who you are here on the boards, and your background and knowledge, and you know I'd never get out of line with you. But unless I'm missing a beef between you and oldgolds, I sort of see his point there.
Ngannou is, IMO, a once-in-a-generation elite level freak athlete. I initially saw him as a one-trick pony with a hard punch, then as a one-trick pony with a hard punch fighting former top heavyweights and beating them because they had too many miles on them [wear and tear from years of fighting, nagging injuries, etc].
After last night, I can no longer pretend Ngannou is anything but the real deal.
But a bigger Stipe Miocic might be a harder fight. That said, a roided up Stipe is going to trade off some cardio to oxidize that muscle. That's just what muscle mass does.
But might there be some truth in the thought that Stipe is clean and Ngannou is juiced? The UFC needs a big star, and Ronda Rousey is long gone, and Conor McGregor seems to be done.
Is it possible that with the assistance of Dana White, Francis is getting around USADA testing somehow?
Stipe is 6'4" and 234-lb. Hardly an impossible physique to achieve for a 38-year-old longtime athlete. Ngannou is 263-lb and leaner, at the same height.
Is it really unreasonable to think Ngannou may be juiced, and
that he foughtt a clean Miocic last night?
Once in a generation?
Juiced Overreem would absolutely shitkick juiced Ngannou like a redheaded step child.
To beat Francis you need to take him down or tire him out. Currently there isn't anyone that can do this, but wait a couple of years. Everyone has their kryptonite.
Overeem isn't the juice bag he used to be but his chin has always been suspect. Francis beat him so easily.
Look fool....If you can't tell by now if a guy is juiced you are incredibly dumb or naive. I can spot a juicer immediately, especially a guy like Francis N.
In Stipe's case I'm 95% sure he's natural. If you don't think roids are an advantage in MMA then you are as I said, a fool, or dishonest.
Hang on there, Abraham. You know I respect you. I know who you are here on the boards, and your background and knowledge, and you know I'd never get out of line with you. But unless I'm missing a beef between you and oldgolds, I sort of see his point there.
Ngannou is, IMO, a once-in-a-generation elite level freak athlete. I initially saw him as a one-trick pony with a hard punch, then as a one-trick pony with a hard punch fighting former top heavyweights and beating them because they had too many miles on them [wear and tear from years of fighting, nagging injuries, etc].
After last night, I can no longer pretend Ngannou is anything but the real deal.
But a bigger Stipe Miocic might be a harder fight. That said, a roided up Stipe is going to trade off some cardio to oxidize that muscle. That's just what muscle mass does.
But might there be some truth in the thought that Stipe is clean and Ngannou is juiced? The UFC needs a big star, and Ronda Rousey is long gone, and Conor McGregor seems to be done.
Is it possible that with the assistance of Dana White, Francis is getting around USADA testing somehow?
Stipe is 6'4" and 234-lb. Hardly an impossible physique to achieve for a 38-year-old longtime athlete. Ngannou is 263-lb and leaner, at the same height.
Is it really unreasonable to think Ngannou may be juiced, and
that he foughtt a clean Miocic last night?
Only HW that could beat Ngannou right now is Black Beast. It would probably be 50/50, but either guy can end it with one punch. Despite the physiques, BB actually has better cardio.
Darren VS SF1900Silva should have been DQ poor yuki
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/c98407c2b3823834ae7577abb438563e/tumblr_mj4egvVay41ry1rm7o1_250.gifv)
Don't they need a tie breaker rematch?miocic should ride off to cte city
Once in a generation?overeem has always been chinny he benefited from the peekaboo style with k1 gloves
Juiced Overreem would absolutely shitkick juiced Ngannou like a redheaded step child.
To beat Francis you need to take him down or tire him out. Currently there isn't anyone that can do this, but wait a couple of years. Everyone has their kryptonite.if Jon Jones gets in shape he will grind the African out
Only HW that could beat Ngannou right now is Black Beast. It would probably be 50/50, but either guy can end it with one punch. Despite the physiques, BB actually has better cardio.
This was my thoughts as well. No one else has a chance at the moment.Frank Mir could take him.
Francis' weakness is his cardio and lack of grappling skills. Stipe fought scared. Didn't try to do anything. No offense at all. He fought the perfect fight for Francis. At some point a well rounded heavyweight will take Francis to the ground and Francis will be exhausted. Of course I enjoy watching Francis KO people. Fans like a power puncher.
I agree.
Stipe didn't look very good. Someone is going to have to get Francis on the ground and wear him out. No homo.
I wasn't entirely serious with the stfu comment. But honestly, who's on drugs and who isn't is tired. Stipe used to fight in the 240's. He's consciously chosen to come in lighter in his past couple fights. Francis showed he's been putting in the work. Stuffed takedowns, leg kicks, etc. Also, there's no credible reports of Francis skirting the system.
Every other athlete is a once in a generation athlete these days. That term gets thrown around only second to the stupid overhyped phrase “GOAT”
Once in a generation?
Juiced Overreem would absolutely shitkick juiced Ngannou like a redheaded step child.
In their prime vs prime.
(Prime = Peak of their career, not the disgusting old phaggot)
Likewise to you, Les - we're all familiar with your biography here. No one is doubting your credentials or your resume. And you know I would never get out of line with you or try to 1-UP you in an area where you have considerably more expertise than I do. Doing that only makes the less knowledgeable person look foolish.Bisping was really impressive.
And you can confirm one of those points right out of the gate - Overeem was almost certainly off steroids in his fight against Ngannou. Not simply due to strict and consistent/regular steroid testing by USADA...but you could see it in his physique decline - especially evident in some fighters.
I think Francis Ngannou is a once-in-a-generation knockout artist. For combination strikes, and repeat heavy blows, and having more tools in his arsenal, etc, you are correct that juiced Overeem beats juiced Ngannou [IMO - and a pretty easy opinion to defend, I would say].
Beating an older, weathered, smaller Overeem with possible nagging injuries, and definitely many miles, no one can say that Ngannou beat Overeem at his best.
As for Francis Ngannou, I'm glad you also suspect/think [or even pretty much know with a great deal of confidence] that Ngannou is juiced. It's always nice to have a view that some deem to be controversial, only to have a resident expert in the topic, like yourself, feel the same way.
Some people just steadfastly stick to the idea that GSP never juiced, even though the photo attached above is completely clear evidence to me that he did. I'd bet money that he was on steroids - maybe he is just a pure genentic. I would guess he is both a generic freak AND on steroids. But I guess I can't be 100% certain...but that's what I suspect.
Ngannou is either an incredible genetic freak, or - Occam's Razor, the most parsimonious explanation - Ngannou is both an incredible genetic freak, and on steroids.
The steroids don't give him all that power in his hands - they highlight and amplify what is already tremendous power in his hands, which he would have without steroids, and being it up another level. The other guys could juice just as much, and still wouldn't possess that level of knockout power.
I agree that a juiced, horsemeat-eating Alistair Overoids could beat Francis NGH-annou. Alistair was much bigger and stronger in his horsemeat-eating, PED-using days, where he would hide in his gym's bathroom or catch the first flight out of the city to avoid USADA catching him to test him. 🤣 I think one or both of those things happened. 😂🤣
Overeem had a more rounded fight game and arsenal of tools. He was the same weight as Ngannou [263-lb], and an inch taller, and was more muscular, leaner, and stronger, while packing a heavy punch - not the one-punch knockout power of Ngannou, but he could repeatedly rain down VERY HEAVY shots, in rapid fire, without getting too tired.
Being that strong, with a more well-rounded fight game, I'd give that one to Overeem. But I guess Overeem is clean now - given how much he has shrunk.
I think Overeem just turned 41. I hope he retires soon.
I think it's a gas looking back at Tyson's old fights, and seeing how he was clearly on juice, as were so many others [Trevor Berbick and Evander Holyfield for example].
USADA did so a pretty thorough job of catching guys using steroids, but Joe Rogan had someone on his podcast talking about it, and Joe said that he didn't know how many fighters use steroids, but he repeated speculation that he heard that 40-60% of fighters use steroids. The rest just aren't hooked up with the proper chemists [steroid gurus, basically].
So the poor [honest] fighters who don't use PEDs, are ultimately put in an unfair situation having to fight those who are using, and beat the tests. And it's all because they aren't connected with people who can take care of this for them. And I imagine that some of them DO train drug-free, just out of pride and self-accomplisment knowing they are clean fighters who are fighting - in some cases beating - enhanced athletes. Michael Bisping seemed to take pride in this.
A couple years? Isn’t he in his late 30s? He’s fighting the hands of time at this stage.His point is valid
I watched an interview with Mark Coleman and he made a comment about today’s heavyweights don’t want to go to the ground, that there’s not enough wrestling and so on. I thought he was off base but looking at current state of HW maybe his point was valid.
Bronx Tale?
I wear a mask when I go out, when I'm not even sick, to "help people", despite no scientific evidence existing that asymptomatic spread is a significant percentage of COVID transmissions. But rather than educate myself on actual facts, I prefer watching TV and having an opinion given to me.
I'm also fat.
He just needs the weight/strength to do it.
Frank Mir could take him.
Seriously though, Heavyweights need to get better at wrestling and submissions. Stipe proved that with his decision win against Ngannou in the first fight.
Few (if any) can match his punching power. It will take a guy with above average power, and high level collegiate wrestling, to beat Francis (minus a lucky punch that can happen to anyone)
A heavyweight with great submission skills (does one exist ???) Would be hard to beat.
If Jon Jones can gain enough weight (part of Stipe's problem) he has the skills to take Ngannou down multiple times, and the submissions to take him out.
He just needs the weight/strength to do it.
The problem with Ngannou, is he has superhero power. Nobody can take a flush shot from that man, most get hurt by getting clipped. That's what makes him so dangerous and exciting to watch.
You're also fat.
FYI, we're cool now.
But you're also fat.
LMFAO!!!!
How the F*CK did you figure that out? Hahahaha!!!
YES!
I wasn't joking though - I still meant it when I said that to you. It's just interesting you caught a reference to a 28-year-old movie like that - good stuff!
To anyone interested, start at the 3:15 mark, to see the part where I complimented AbrahamG by ripping off a Robert De Niro line from an Ironage movie he was in, in 1993:
;D
You're also fat.Was that funny to you?
FYI, we're cool now.
But you're also fat.
This first bit is not related to this thread - just me addressing some moronic comment that King said previously. The other massive long part at the bottom addresses this thread. I put words in King's mouth here, but he basically actually said this [close enough]:
King - remember when you said I was fucked?
I may be many things, but at least I never said "I wear a mask to help people", when not even sick. ;D
Ok, and how about all the decades prior to 2020 where you didn't do that? Did you not want to "help people", or do you just do whatever the TV tells you to do? LMAO @ you wearing a mask when not even sick, when asymptotic spread accounts for under 2% of all Covid-19 cases.
In Canada, 90% of deaths were among people aged 70+. 69% of deaths were in nursing homes alone!
And yet you - and rafts of morons like you - wore a mask [or still do] while not even sick, for a virus that is 2,807 TIMES as likely to kill someone over 80 as it is to kill someone under 40.
Yet I'm fucked?
Dude - YOU WEAR A FACE DIAPER WHILE NOT EVEN SICK BECAUSE THE TV TELLS YOU TO, AND YOU COMPLY LIKE A BITCH WITH NO HESITATION.
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
So from now on:
We're cool. I'm going to take your individual posts for what they are, and ignore your past record.
You're also fat.
But I've decided that any time you respond to one of my posts by saying "Haha, you're fucked", or something like that, I'm going to remind Getbig who between the two of us is the tool who spent 2020 [and 2021?] wearing a mask while not even sick "to help people" [LMAO], despite no evidence showing that asymptomatic spread exists outside under 2% of cases, and that you do it for the sole reason because the TV tells you to do it.
Haha, would you put Booth's thong underwear over your head if the TV told you to? ;D
By the way, post ONE scientific study showing that asymptomatic spread is a real thing worth worrying about.
Oh wait - you don't form your views based on empirical evidence, you turn on the TV to have views given to you.
Did you seriously wear a mask for over a year now while NOT SICK, just because the TV told you to? LOL!!!!!!!
And I'm fucked? Dude, I'm not the DUMBASS who's been wearing a mask for over a year while not even sick, haha.
Imagine if someone wearing a Hazmat suit to not spread a virus he DIDN'T EVEN HAVE called you fucked? Wouldn't you be like "Is this fucking idiot for real?"
Aren't you Fat Alex23?
...
This part of my reply here is related to this thread:
Anyway, regarding your point [quoted above] on Jon Jones gaining strength - Jones has deadlifted 605-lb, and bench pressed 350-lb. So he is very strong. He was likely on steroids when he hit those lifts, so I'm not sure how much he is lifting lately. But he was probably the strongest UFC fighter on his weight class at the time, and one of the strongest UFC fighters ever. Brock Lesnar was said to bench press 475-lb, and that is all the more impressive to me given that he has an 81" reach.
As for Jon Jones, his strength has probably declined now that he is presumably clean - which I believe he is, given that he has been passing steroid tests. I'm not sure if he is still using cocaine and partying - hopefully not. He is a year younger than Francis Ngannou, but has more miles on his body than Ngannou does.
To your point regarding Jones having to put on weight:
I think that Mike Tyson and Igor Vovchanchyn, among others, proved that you do not need to be over 220- to 230-lb to be the best/toughest fighter in the world.
Tyson's heaviest weight was around 218-lb. I'm not sure if he ever fought at 220+, but if he did - he would have been NARROWLY over that...maybe 222-lb max in a fight, but none that I recall. Igor Vovchanchyn fought between 220- to 230-lb at 5'8". Maybe 5'8" and 225-lb. And he beat Mark Kerr twice [the first controversially, but not the second], who was 6'3", and was a juiced 260-lb at the time of those fights.
So I think as far as body weight offering an advantage, that advantage "maxes out" at some point. And I think the 220- to 230-lb range is when that happens, beyond which, body weight alone doesn't matter, even if a 225-lb fighter is fighting a 450-lb fighter. Basically, because fighters trade off speed and stamina for power as they get heavier.
Also, watching the fight between Israel Adesanya and Paulo Costa [where Israel had gyno], Paulo was lean and jacked, probably weighing around 215-lb on the night of the fight, at 6'1" tall.
Contrast that to [as Costa called him], the "skinny clown" Israel Adesanya, who at 6'4", probably competes closer to his weigh-in weight of 185-lb.
Even if Adesanya was 6'4" and 200-lb, that's a far cry from 6'1" and 215-lb...and Costa was likely the leaner one of the two [and, ironically, the cleaner one, as Adesanya had gyno].
It's possible that Jon Jones would have the same advantage, taking out Ngannou's legs with stinging leg kicks from bony legs.
But it's hard to say.
I don't think Jon Jones should be putting on weight just for the sake of doing it, at this stage in the game. I think he should come in at a normal big weight/size for him, but not to go overboard. Jones beat Cormier rather easily, and Cormier beat Miocic faster than Ngannou beat Miocic, and Miocic needed the experience with Miocic in their first fight in order to formulate a winning gameplan to beat him the second time out.
It would seem to me that "on paper", Jones could beat Ngannou, but that Jones would have to take it seriously, and devise a proper gameplan. That's how Ngannou beat Miocic the second time, and I don't think anyone should fight Ngannou thinking they will beat him without a gameplan.
If Jones has a good gameplan coming in, I think the Ngannou fight is quite winnable.
The only thing I'm not taking into consideration here is miles. Jones does have more miles, due to years of high-level fighting...whereas Ngannou's fights often end with victories without even going to the 2nd round.
That would be the reason I think Ngannou stands a legitimate chance of beating Jones - as Ngannou is more fresh, despite being a year older.
A prime Jones could beat Ngannou, IMO, but I'm not so sure how close the Jones of today is to his prime.
This first bit is not related to this thread - just me addressing some moronic comment that King said previously. The other massive long part at the bottom addresses this thread. I put words in King's mouth here, but he basically actually said this [close enough]:
King - remember when you said I was fucked?
I may be many things, but at least I never said "I wear a mask to help people", when not even sick. ;D
Ok, and how about all the decades prior to 2020 where you didn't do that? Did you not want to "help people", or do you just do whatever the TV tells you to do? LMAO @ you wearing a mask when not even sick, when asymptotic spread accounts for under 2% of all Covid-19 cases.
In Canada, 90% of deaths were among people aged 70+. 69% of deaths were in nursing homes alone!
And yet you - and rafts of morons like you - wore a mask [or still do] while not even sick, for a virus that is 2,807 TIMES as likely to kill someone over 80 as it is to kill someone under 40.
Yet I'm fucked?
Dude - YOU WEAR A FACE DIAPER WHILE NOT EVEN SICK BECAUSE THE TV TELLS YOU TO, AND YOU COMPLY LIKE A BITCH WITH NO HESITATION.
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
So from now on:
We're cool. I'm going to take your individual posts for what they are, and ignore your past record.
You're also fat.
But I've decided that any time you respond to one of my posts by saying "Haha, you're fucked", or something like that, I'm going to remind Getbig who between the two of us is the tool who spent 2020 [and 2021?] wearing a mask while not even sick "to help people" [LMAO], despite no evidence showing that asymptomatic spread exists outside under 2% of cases, and that you do it for the sole reason because the TV tells you to do it.
Haha, would you put Booth's thong underwear over your head if the TV told you to? ;D
By the way, post ONE scientific study showing that asymptomatic spread is a real thing worth worrying about.
Oh wait - you don't form your views based on empirical evidence, you turn on the TV to have views given to you.
Did you seriously wear a mask for over a year now while NOT SICK, just because the TV told you to? LOL!!!!!!!
And I'm fucked? Dude, I'm not the DUMBASS who's been wearing a mask for over a year while not even sick, haha.
Imagine if someone wearing a Hazmat suit to not spread a virus he DIDN'T EVEN HAVE called you fucked? Wouldn't you be like "Is this fucking idiot for real?"
Aren't you Fat Alex23?
...
This part of my reply here is related to this thread:
Anyway, regarding your point [quoted above] on Jon Jones gaining strength - Jones has deadlifted 605-lb, and bench pressed 350-lb. So he is very strong. He was likely on steroids when he hit those lifts, so I'm not sure how much he is lifting lately. But he was probably the strongest UFC fighter on his weight class at the time, and one of the strongest UFC fighters ever. Brock Lesnar was said to bench press 475-lb, and that is all the more impressive to me given that he has an 81" reach.
As for Jon Jones, his strength has probably declined now that he is presumably clean - which I believe he is, given that he has been passing steroid tests. I'm not sure if he is still using cocaine and partying - hopefully not. He is a year younger than Francis Ngannou, but has more miles on his body than Ngannou does.
To your point regarding Jones having to put on weight:
I think that Mike Tyson and Igor Vovchanchyn, among others, proved that you do not need to be over 220- to 230-lb to be the best/toughest fighter in the world.
Tyson's heaviest weight was around 218-lb. I'm not sure if he ever fought at 220+, but if he did - he would have been NARROWLY over that...maybe 222-lb max in a fight, but none that I recall. Igor Vovchanchyn fought between 220- to 230-lb at 5'8". Maybe 5'8" and 225-lb. And he beat Mark Kerr twice [the first controversially, but not the second], who was 6'3", and was a juiced 260-lb at the time of those fights.
So I think as far as body weight offering an advantage, that advantage "maxes out" at some point. And I think the 220- to 230-lb range is when that happens, beyond which, body weight alone doesn't matter, even if a 225-lb fighter is fighting a 450-lb fighter. Basically, because fighters trade off speed and stamina for power as they get heavier.
Also, watching the fight between Israel Adesanya and Paulo Costa [where Israel had gyno], Paulo was lean and jacked, probably weighing around 215-lb on the night of the fight, at 6'1" tall.
Contrast that to [as Costa called him], the "skinny clown" Israel Adesanya, who at 6'4", probably competes closer to his weigh-in weight of 185-lb.
Even if Adesanya was 6'4" and 200-lb, that's a far cry from 6'1" and 215-lb...and Costa was likely the leaner one of the two [and, ironically, the cleaner one, as Adesanya had gyno].
It's possible that Jon Jones would have the same advantage, taking out Ngannou's legs with stinging leg kicks from bony legs.
But it's hard to say.
I don't think Jon Jones should be putting on weight just for the sake of doing it, at this stage in the game. I think he should come in at a normal big weight/size for him, but not to go overboard. Jones beat Cormier rather easily, and Cormier beat Miocic faster than Ngannou beat Miocic, and Miocic needed the experience with Miocic in their first fight in order to formulate a winning gameplan to beat him the second time out.
It would seem to me that "on paper", Jones could beat Ngannou, but that Jones would have to take it seriously, and devise a proper gameplan. That's how Ngannou beat Miocic the second time, and I don't think anyone should fight Ngannou thinking they will beat him without a gameplan.
If Jones has a good gameplan coming in, I think the Ngannou fight is quite winnable.
The only thing I'm not taking into consideration here is miles. Jones does have more miles, due to years of high-level fighting...whereas Ngannou's fights often end with victories without even going to the 2nd round.
That would be the reason I think Ngannou stands a legitimate chance of beating Jones - as Ngannou is more fresh, despite being a year older.
A prime Jones could beat Ngannou, IMO, but I'm not so sure how close the Jones of today is to his prime.
Was that funny to you?
It made me laugh.
Corky giving Fatzzo the public beatdown.
This first bit is not related to this thread - just me addressing some moronic comment that King said previously. The other massive long part at the bottom addresses this thread. I put words in King's mouth here, but he basically actually said this [close enough]:I'm sorry for your loss.
King - remember when you said I was fucked?
I may be many things, but at least I never said "I wear a mask to help people", when not even sick. ;D
Ok, and how about all the decades prior to 2020 where you didn't do that? Did you not want to "help people", or do you just do whatever the TV tells you to do? LMAO @ you wearing a mask when not even sick, when asymptotic spread accounts for under 2% of all Covid-19 cases.
In Canada, 90% of deaths were among people aged 70+. 69% of deaths were in nursing homes alone!
And yet you - and rafts of morons like you - wore a mask [or still do] while not even sick, for a virus that is 2,807 TIMES as likely to kill someone over 80 as it is to kill someone under 40.
Yet I'm fucked?
Dude - YOU WEAR A FACE DIAPER WHILE NOT EVEN SICK BECAUSE THE TV TELLS YOU TO, AND YOU COMPLY LIKE A BITCH WITH NO HESITATION.
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
So from now on:
We're cool. I'm going to take your individual posts for what they are, and ignore your past record.
You're also fat.
But I've decided that any time you respond to one of my posts by saying "Haha, you're fucked", or something like that, I'm going to remind Getbig who between the two of us is the tool who spent 2020 [and 2021?] wearing a mask while not even sick "to help people" [LMAO], despite no evidence showing that asymptomatic spread exists outside under 2% of cases, and that you do it for the sole reason because the TV tells you to do it.
Haha, would you put Booth's thong underwear over your head if the TV told you to? ;D
By the way, post ONE scientific study showing that asymptomatic spread is a real thing worth worrying about.
Oh wait - you don't form your views based on empirical evidence, you turn on the TV to have views given to you.
Did you seriously wear a mask for over a year now while NOT SICK, just because the TV told you to? LOL!!!!!!!
And I'm fucked? Dude, I'm not the DUMBASS who's been wearing a mask for over a year while not even sick, haha.
Imagine if someone wearing a Hazmat suit to not spread a virus he DIDN'T EVEN HAVE called you fucked? Wouldn't you be like "Is this fucking idiot for real?"
Aren't you Fat Alex23?
...
This part of my reply here is related to this thread:
Anyway, regarding your point [quoted above] on Jon Jones gaining strength - Jones has deadlifted 605-lb, and bench pressed 350-lb. So he is very strong. He was likely on steroids when he hit those lifts, so I'm not sure how much he is lifting lately. But he was probably the strongest UFC fighter on his weight class at the time, and one of the strongest UFC fighters ever. Brock Lesnar was said to bench press 475-lb, and that is all the more impressive to me given that he has an 81" reach.
As for Jon Jones, his strength has probably declined now that he is presumably clean - which I believe he is, given that he has been passing steroid tests. I'm not sure if he is still using cocaine and partying - hopefully not. He is a year younger than Francis Ngannou, but has more miles on his body than Ngannou does.
To your point regarding Jones having to put on weight:
I think that Mike Tyson and Igor Vovchanchyn, among others, proved that you do not need to be over 220- to 230-lb to be the best/toughest fighter in the world.
Tyson's heaviest weight was around 218-lb. I'm not sure if he ever fought at 220+, but if he did - he would have been NARROWLY over that...maybe 222-lb max in a fight, but none that I recall. Igor Vovchanchyn fought between 220- to 230-lb at 5'8". Maybe 5'8" and 225-lb. And he beat Mark Kerr twice [the first controversially, but not the second], who was 6'3", and was a juiced 260-lb at the time of those fights.
So I think as far as body weight offering an advantage, that advantage "maxes out" at some point. And I think the 220- to 230-lb range is when that happens, beyond which, body weight alone doesn't matter, even if a 225-lb fighter is fighting a 450-lb fighter. Basically, because fighters trade off speed and stamina for power as they get heavier.
Also, watching the fight between Israel Adesanya and Paulo Costa [where Israel had gyno], Paulo was lean and jacked, probably weighing around 215-lb on the night of the fight, at 6'1" tall.
Contrast that to [as Costa called him], the "skinny clown" Israel Adesanya, who at 6'4", probably competes closer to his weigh-in weight of 185-lb.
Even if Adesanya was 6'4" and 200-lb, that's a far cry from 6'1" and 215-lb...and Costa was likely the leaner one of the two [and, ironically, the cleaner one, as Adesanya had gyno].
It's possible that Jon Jones would have the same advantage, taking out Ngannou's legs with stinging leg kicks from bony legs.
But it's hard to say.
I don't think Jon Jones should be putting on weight just for the sake of doing it, at this stage in the game. I think he should come in at a normal big weight/size for him, but not to go overboard. Jones beat Cormier rather easily, and Cormier beat Miocic faster than Ngannou beat Miocic, and Miocic needed the experience with Miocic in their first fight in order to formulate a winning gameplan to beat him the second time out.
It would seem to me that "on paper", Jones could beat Ngannou, but that Jones would have to take it seriously, and devise a proper gameplan. That's how Ngannou beat Miocic the second time, and I don't think anyone should fight Ngannou thinking they will beat him without a gameplan.
If Jones has a good gameplan coming in, I think the Ngannou fight is quite winnable.
The only thing I'm not taking into consideration here is miles. Jones does have more miles, due to years of high-level fighting...whereas Ngannou's fights often end with victories without even going to the 2nd round.
That would be the reason I think Ngannou stands a legitimate chance of beating Jones - as Ngannou is more fresh, despite being a year older.
A prime Jones could beat Ngannou, IMO, but I'm not so sure how close the Jones of today is to his prime.