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Routine hasn't changed one bit since his blood and guts days. Doz doesn't seem to believe in permanent education :D
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Routine hasn't changed one bit since his blood and guts days. Doz doesn't seem to believe in permanent education :D
If it aint broke why fix it? as they say. Dorian is getting very old with his training. always the same..BLA BLA BLA
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I love it
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I love it
yes i bet you do bro
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Routine hasn't changed one bit since his blood and guts days. Doz doesn't seem to believe in permanent education :D
Just more proof that your training methods are not the supreme dictator in your build.
It's the drugs.
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Just more proof that your training methods are not the supreme dictator in your build.
It's the drugs.
If it was about drugs, why isn't this guy Mr. Olympia then? ???
(https://liftn.com/wp-content/uploads/bb-1.jpg)
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If it was about drugs, why isn't this guy Mr. Olympia then? ???
He isn't Mr O but he put on a shitload of muscle.
There is ceiling effect with drugs.
Bostin isn't a good example to illustrate that it isn't about drugs.
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Here's the leg training. Hasn't changed much since blood and guts either though lol
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Here's the leg training. Hasn't changed much since blood and guts either though lol
he actually pushed those guys harder than he trained in his Blood and Guts video
His chest session in his own video was pretty mild to be honest.
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he actually pushed those guys harder than he trained in his Blood and Guts video
His chest session in his own video was pretty mild to be honest.
Yates chest session was mild? He inclined 415lbs for six reps with a full range of motion. Maybe he should have used 500bs. In all seriousness I think he is one of the most intelligent trainers going. He had serious injuries but that's the price for going all out tryin to win an any costs. I often train with one work set to failure after warm up. It's a brutal way to train. Especially if you do the exercise in the hardest way possible instead of the easiest way.
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Yates chest session was mild? He inclined 415lbs for six reps with a full range of motion. Maybe he should have used 500bs. In all seriousness I think he is one of the most intelligent trainers going. He had serious injuries but that's the price for going all out tryin to win an any costs. I often train with one work set to failure after warm up. It's a brutal way to train. Especially if you do the exercise in the hardest way possible instead of the easiest way.
No forced reps, no drop sets just six reps on his own and put it down again....
He wasnt an intelligent trainer or he wouldnt have had all the injuries he had
Just go and watch Milos put someone through a giant set and then tell me Dorian was the hardest trainer ever.
I do agree he did enough to stimulate growth, but to claim no one was working harder than him in the gym simply isnt true
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Without the drugs, Yates looks ordinary. Still would have a good build.
If you've seen very early pics of him he is nothing special really.
His style of training apparently only works like magic if you are juicing, but so does just about every other system.
So, is his method good? Yes. Is it superior to other more traditional methods? No.
He had a great response to gear and advantageous muscle attachments for sure.
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No forced reps, no drop sets just six reps on his own and put it down again....
He wasnt an intelligent trainer or he wouldnt have had all the injuries he had
Just go and watch Milos put someone through a giant set and then tell me Dorian was the hardest trainer ever.
I do agree he did enough to stimulate growth, but to claim no one was working harder than him in the gym simply isnt true
were you ever Mr O ? ::) utter jackass
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No forced reps, no drop sets just six reps on his own and put it down again....
He wasnt an intelligent trainer or he wouldnt have had all the injuries he had
Just go and watch Milos put someone through a giant set and then tell me Dorian was the hardest trainer ever.
I do agree he did enough to stimulate growth, but to claim no one was working harder than him in the gym simply isnt true
Spot on. That's true training intensity, Dorians was pretty much kindergarten...
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Without the drugs, Yates looks ordinary. Still would have a good build.
If you've seen very early pics of him he is nothing special really.
His style of training apparently only works like magic if you are juicing, but so does just about every other system.
So, is his method good? Yes. Is it superior to other more traditional methods? No.
He had a great response to gear and advantageous muscle attachments for sure.
Well said. I find it a bit odd that so many that take the drugs will say stuff like, "all muscle is temporary" to rationalize the use of PEDs. And while that statement is true, what is also true is that Yates, Arnold, Zane, Haney and pretty much every top man of the last several decades would not have been a top man without the PEDs. Larry Scott would've been just another gas station attendant if not for Dianabol. Arnold? Probably a truck driver. Zane, a teacher. Yates and Haney, who cares as I don't think much of either compared to the 70s champions but that in no way diminishes their accomplishments it just means I think better of others physiques. A particular interview of Tom Platz from years gone by where he says that without the drugs the current champions would still be the current champions.
;D ::) ;D
When I first tried H.I.T. I did so with some friends, one of which was starting Dianabol at the same time. Guess which person did REALLY well on H.I.T.? ;D
But when he was off the drugs, he shrank and the magic of that style of training was more Samantha Stevens than Voldemort.
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No forced reps, no drop sets just six reps on his own and put it down again....
He wasnt an intelligent trainer or he wouldnt have had all the injuries he had
Just go and watch Milos put someone through a giant set and then tell me Dorian was the hardest trainer ever.
I do agree he did enough to stimulate growth, but to claim no one was working harder than him in the gym simply isnt true
The difference, and it's small yet big difference, is that if you are doing giant sets you aren't likely doing the first set to absolute-absolute failure. You go to approximate failure, or you appear to fail but you didn't quite give it 100%.
As an example. Many pros say they do so and so many sets to failure on legs, some say they do drop sets even, each drop to failure. I would say not quite.
Look at 1:10 with hack squats:
Do you think Chris would do his failure sets this hard at Gold's Venice? I doubt it.
You cannot do Milos style giant sets on legs at this intensity level. Especially not several rounds of them.
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The difference, and it's small yet big difference, is that if you are doing giant sets you aren't likely doing the first set to absolute-absolute failure. You go to approximate failure, or you appear to fail but you didn't quite give it 100%.
As an example. Many pros say they do so and so many sets to failure on legs, some say they do drop sets even, each drop to failure. I would say not quite.
Look at 1:10 with hack squats:
Do you think Chris would do his failure sets this hard at Gold's Venice? I doubt it.
You cannot do Milos style giant sets on legs at this intensity level. Especially not several rounds of them.
there is only one "failure", thats when you simply cant do another rep
How many bodybuilders actually go to failure?
Do a set until you get so you cant do another rep, thats failure, OK then drop the weight 20% and then carry on, see, failure is very difficult to get to.
Its like Tom Platz famous quote "when you think you have reached failure you still have another 5 reps left in you"
If that were true he would still be on his first set of squats.
Everyone training seriously pretty much does the same thing, and I have never seen Dorian push himself as hard as he pushed Chris in that video
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were you ever Mr O ? ::) utter jackass
Phil Heath was a 7 time Mr O.
I seldom see him break sweat in the gym
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there is only one "failure", thats when you simply cant do another rep
How many bodybuilders actually go to failure?
Do a set until you get so you cant do another rep, thats failure, OK then drop the weight 20% and then carry on, see, failure is very difficult to get to.
Its like Tom Platz famous quote "when you think you have reached failure you still have another 5 reps left in you"
If that were true he would still be on his first set of squats.
Everyone training seriously pretty much does the same thing, and I have never seen Dorian push himself as hard as he pushed Chris in that video
the thing that he says that you still can have some reps in the tank has some truth to it. But only for legs really. Where you typically can do 12-20 reps. At that point cadiovascular system and lactic acid pain comes into play. And some are stopped by pain, before absolute failure.
With bench press or something like that, most people are able to go to absolute failure.
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the thing that he says that you still can have some reps in the tank has some truth to it. But only for legs really. Where you typically can do 12-20 reps. At that point cadiovascular system and lactic acid pain comes into play. And some are stopped by pain, before absolute failure.
With bench press or something like that, most people are able to go to absolute failure.
If your 1RM is 200k on bench and you put on 300k you will reach failure, Im sure thats not really the point.
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Bodybuilding is completely about drugs and your response to the drugs. Fuck all these "special training programs". A complete crock of shit lapped up by the gullible.
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Bodybuilding is completely about drugs and your response to the drugs. Fuck all these "special training programs". A complete crock of shit lapped up by the gullible.
X2
And the ability to do 5 plates a side in incline hammer strength like I do, Phil Heath style
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Bodybuilding is completely about drugs and your response to the drugs. Fuck all these "special training programs". A complete crock of shit lapped up by the gullible.
this.
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Bodybuilding is completely about drugs and your response to the drugs. Fuck all these "special training programs". A complete crock of shit lapped up by the gullible.
What? Nooooooo!
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Steroid fagget millenials im terrified
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Routine hasn't changed one bit since his blood and guts days. Doz doesn't seem to believe in permanent education :D
Yates is just another hit con man. He used various methods to build his body. He did NOT use HIT strictly to build it. People who watch his blood and guts (snigger) video don't realise that is not the way he trained from day 1. Nor, I suspect, was that the way he trained most of the time in his Olympia days. People believe it because Yates says so? He just trying to stay relevant to make some cash when his bodybuilding hey day is long over with. What else has he got? Just marketing on his so called legacy to keep in the limelight and not fade into obscurity like the vast of popular bodybuilders have done.
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Yates is just another hit con man. He used various methods to build his body. He did NOT use HIT strictly to build it. People who watch his blood and guts (snigger) video don't realise that is not the way he trained from day 1. Nor, I suspect, was that the way he trained most of the time in his Olympia days. People believe it because Yates says so? He just trying to stay relevant to make some cash when his bodybuilding hey day is long over with. What else has he got? Just marketing on his so called legacy to keep in the limelight and not fade into obscurity like the vast of popular bodybuilders have done.
Dorian is a money man. In various ways. Some good some not so good. He's not desperate for cash by any means, but you're right that since he has the reputation as a HIT bb, it's a great angle to go with. I don't blame him for doing his thing. He's marketed his line well and has matured a lot.
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Didn’t watch video.
Let me guess:
Machine pullovers
Lat pulldowns
Bent over shrugs… ahem… bent-over rows
Hyperextensions
Partial deadlifts
All done with too much weight and taken until form turns to garbage with forced and partial reps.
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Didn’t watch video.
Let me guess:
Machine pullovers
Lat pulldowns
Bent over shrugs… ahem… bent-over rows
Hyperextensions
Partial deadlifts
All done with too much weight and taken until form turns to garbage with forced and partial reps.
Exactly. Same old Yates with the same old injury inducing workout.
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Dorian is a money man. In various ways. Some good some not so good. He's not desperate for cash by any means, but you're right that since he has the reputation as a HIT bb, it's a great angle to go with. I don't blame him for doing his thing. He's marketed his line well and has matured a lot.
He's trying to maintain a lifestyle with his gold digging man-wife.
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"Doz" ?? ::) ::)
Doz he swallow the caulk???
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He’s gotta be beyond bored to tears with this shit.
Unless you’re the one actually doing the lifting, how could you possibly manage to give a rat’s ass after SO many go-throughs?
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Exactly. Same old Yates with the same old injury inducing workout.
Gee, how I did I know? ;D
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He’s gotta be beyond bored to tears with this shit.
Unless you’re the one actually doing the lifting, how could you possibly manage to give a rat’s ass after SO many go-throughs?
He actually looks kind of depressed these days as the realisation is beginning to dawn on him that the first half of his life was directed at bodybuilding but now he's confused on where to go in the next half. Seriously, how many times does he have to go out and tell the same story about his rise to bodybuilding stardom? How many times does he have to explain his style of training? How many times does he have to keep the "myth" of his legacy to stay relevant? Why doesn't he get qualified at something else and really move on? Others have. Look at Platz. Once bodybuilding was over for him he went into the corporate world for many years. Franco became a chiropractor. Jeff King went on to chiropractic school and pursued that career until 2005 then he finished his Doctorate in Physical Therapy from Springfield College in Massachusetts and he also graduated from the police academy. Arnold we know about.
Yates just seems to be very stuck in a rut living on past glories. Kinda of sad.
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He actually looks kind of depressed these days as the realisation is beginning to dawn on him him that the first half of his life was directed at bodybuilding but now he's confused on where to go in the next half. Seriously, how many times does he have to go out and tell the same story about his rise to bodybuilding stardom? How many times does he have to explain his style of training? How many times does he have to keep the "myth" of his legacy to keep try and keep relevant? Why doesn't he get qualified at something else and really move on. Others have. Look at Platz. Once bodybuilding was over for him he went into the corporate world for many years. Franco became a chiropractor. Jeff King went on to chiropractic school and pursued that career until 2005 then he finished his Doctorate in Physical Therapy from Springfield College in Massachusetts and he also graduated from the police academy. Arnold we know about.
Yates just seems to be very stuck in a rut living on past glories. Kinda of sad.
I agree stays stoned most of the day as he seems to have run out of ambition. More to life than bodybuilding and sitting around stoned all day.
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He actually looks kind of depressed these days as the realisation is beginning to dawn on him him that the first half of his life was directed at bodybuilding but now he's confused on where to go in the next half. Seriously, how many times does he have to go out and tell the same story about his rise to bodybuilding stardom? How many times does he have to explain his style of training? How many times does he have to keep the "myth" of his legacy to keep try and keep relevant? Why doesn't he get qualified at something else and really move on. Others have. Look at Platz. Once bodybuilding was over for him he went into the corporate world for many years. Franco became a chiropractor. Jeff King went on to chiropractic school and pursued that career until 2005 then he finished his Doctorate in Physical Therapy from Springfield College in Massachusetts and he also graduated from the police academy. Arnold we know about.
Yates just seems to be very stuck in a rut living on past glories. Kinda of sad.
He was a disadvantaged young buck…
He was running on da track and a teacha said, “yo, it’s time to pack it in,”… but he kept runnin… which showed he had dat fire…
Then he did dumb shit and went to da clink and started hittin’ da weights…
Then he became a top notch bodybuilder…
He didn’t go to Venice beach, a hotbed of vices and hoes…
He stayed in da dungeon in England, liftin’, power eatin’, avoiding all da American clowns…
Then he kicked everyone’s ass for seven years.
Whenever he did too many sets, he got tired.
So he met Mentzer one day, and reduced his sets.
He once gained like 30 pounds in a year from “better dieting”.
After BB, he went clubbin’ and started slaying’ hoes…
Den he calmed down, settled down with some South American gym broad, hoppin’ all over da globe and taking whacked out stuff, doin’ Eastern philosophy, yoga, biking…
Now he’s doing da podcast circuit.
See, I memorized it.
I still like him though. 😀
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If Dorian's training is the same as everyone elses why do you say it's especially injury inducing? Because it's not the same. A major element is the progressive overload. Dorian's form was excellent though, it wasn't ego lifting.
There comes a time where you are simply too strong for your tendons, tendons that might be compromised by the drugs.
The ones who don't get injured typically do the same EXACT workout they always did, same load and same volume. Same volume of muscle mass too. For decades straight. Try to push things and try to get stronger = injuries will happen.
Like I said in the beginning of the thread, look at Cormier training legs with Dorian. Do you think that is how hard all pros train all the time? Not a chance.
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If it was about drugs, why isn't this guy Mr. Olympia then? ???
(https://liftn.com/wp-content/uploads/bb-1.jpg)
He’s not Mr Olympia cause he’s dead, never had a chance to get the coveted pro card
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Routine hasn't changed one bit since his blood and guts days. Doz doesn't seem to believe in permanent education :D
When was the wheel invented ?
Does it still work & do what it was intended to do ?
Has anyone improved upon it in the time since it was invented, if not why not ?
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When was the wheel invented ?
Does it still work & do what it was intended to do ?
Has anyone improved upon it in the time since it was invented, if not why not ?
I'd say so... ???
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Altes_Holzrad.jpg)
(https://imgd.aeplcdn.com/600x600/n/cw/ec/129455/lamborghini-right-front-three-quarter0.jpeg?isig=0&wm=0)
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Yates is just another hit con man. He used various methods to build his body. He did NOT use HIT strictly to build it. People who watch his blood and guts (snigger) video don't realise that is not the way he trained from day 1. Nor, I suspect, was that the way he trained most of the time in his Olympia days. People believe it because Yates says so? He just trying to stay relevant to make some cash when his bodybuilding hey day is long over with. What else has he got? Just marketing on his so called legacy to keep in the limelight and not fade into obscurity like the vast of popular bodybuilders have done.
Taking the drugs he took with his cutting diet, pushups, pullups and squats would have built a great physique.
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Bodybuilding is completely about drugs and your response to the drugs. Fuck all these "special training programs". A complete crock of shit lapped up by the gullible.
No it's not. I trained for years as a natty teen and built a solid physique.
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No it's not. I trained for years as a natty teen and built a solid physique.
Same - I won 2 British power lifting championships no gear
[mind wish I had been more wise & used as I may well of won a world championship] and built a decent physique as won a good few bodybuilding
shows as well.
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I'd say so... ???
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Altes_Holzrad.jpg)
(https://imgd.aeplcdn.com/600x600/n/cw/ec/129455/lamborghini-right-front-three-quarter0.jpeg?isig=0&wm=0)
It's more fancy yes - It's still round - shape hasn't changed one bit.
hasn't been improved, as round is perfect shape for a wheel.
Try again. ::)
;D
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No it's not. I trained for years as a natty teen and built a solid physique.
But it is though. How far you can go as a pro is your response to gear usage and how you can tolerate the dosages with minimum side effects
Kevin Levrone is the perfect example
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No it's not. I trained for years as a natty teen and built a solid physique.
Most Natty's look like crap in those Fed's. You had a good natty physique, not all do... Reworded:
"Pro BB is all about the drugs and response to them"... I dont think anyone w/ 1/2 a brain can argue that it isnt...
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vYl5rpRt8fk/maxresdefault.jpg)
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Most Natty's look like crap in those Fed's. You had a good natty physique, not all do... Reworded:
"Pro BB is all about the drugs and response to them"... I dont think anyone w/ 1/2 a brain can argue that it isnt...
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vYl5rpRt8fk/maxresdefault.jpg)
It's definitely safe to say that without steroids; 90% of lifters wouldn't last more than a year before giving up the gym.
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If Dorian's training is the same as everyone elses why do you say it's especially injury inducing? Because it's not the same. A major element is the progressive overload. Dorian's form was excellent though, it wasn't ego lifting.
There comes a time where you are simply too strong for your tendons, tendons that might be compromised by the drugs.
The ones who don't get injured typically do the same EXACT workout they always did, same load and same volume. Same volume of muscle mass too. For decades straight. Try to push things and try to get stronger = injuries will happen.
Like I said in the beginning of the thread, look at Cormier training legs with Dorian. Do you think that is how hard all pros train all the time? Not a chance.
It is the same as in style.
Dorian's form wasn't that great and no better than most.
Volume guys don't get that injured. But Yates had many injuries because he used too much weight.
Cormier puked because their in the gym with hardly no air condition and it's underground. The "temple" was a shit hole. Had nothing to do with the "intensity."
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It is the same as in style.
Dorian's form wasn't that great and no better than most.
Volume guys don't get that injured. But Yates had many injuries because he used too much weight.
Cormier puked because their in the gym with hardly no air condition and it's underground. The "temple" was a shit hole. Had nothing to do with the "intensity."
There is no glory training in a way that makes one sick or feel like shit and it’s unnecessary. This whole notion that a certain training style is good because it’s debilitating it’s BS.
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There is no glory training in a way that makes one sick or feel like shit and it’s unnecessary. This whole notion that a certain training style is good because it’s debilitating it’s BS.
Exactly. Whenever I've felt sick or a bit faint from training I stop immediately. Puking your guts out in the gym isn't hardcore. It's dumb.
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Exactly. Whenever I've felt sick or a bit faint rom training I stop immediately. Puking your gets out in the gym isn't hardcore. It's dumb.
You feel sick because blood rushes away from the stomach walls to another part of your body, training legs makes you feel sick because they need a lot of blood
It has nothing to do with intensity of effort
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You feel sick because blood rushes away from the stomach walls to another part of your body, training legs makes you feel sick because they need a lot of blood
It has nothing to do with intensity of effort
Isn't running or cycling rushing blood into your legs as well? Why don't you feel sick from Cardio then? ???
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Isn't running or cycling rushing blood into your legs as well? Why don't you feel sick from Cardio then? ???
Aerobic/Anaerobic
Look into it
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You feel sick because blood rushes away from the stomach walls to another part of your body, training legs makes you feel sick because they need a lot of blood
It has nothing to do with intensity of effort
It's because I'm going to hard or it's due to certain conditions in the gym.
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It is the same as in style.
Dorian's form wasn't that great and no better than most.
Volume guys don't get that injured. But Yates had many injuries because he used too much weight.
Cormier puked because their in the gym with hardly no air condition and it's underground. The "temple" was a shit hole. Had nothing to do with the "intensity."
I didn't even remember he puked. It can happen due to a variety of reasons. It's not a measure of training intensity. But with trained eye you could see he was going further, at one point trying to rack the weight before Dorian "forced" him to go on. In gyms, how often do you see guys actually totally miss a rep on hack squats? Not too often. On the leg press it almost NEVER happens. Guys just don't go to true failure no matter what they say. Seriously, how many times have you seen a big strong guy totally miss a leg press and smash the weight back? I've been in gyms for over 30 years and only seen it a couple of times. That Cormier only appeared to train hard due to bad ventilation is ridiculous.
I used to puke every single training session. Often puked before the session. Would puke after a single set of calf raises. Then a few years later it just stopped happening. Can't pin it on anything specific, can just say how it was for me. One "expert" I emailed thought it was probably the orals I took preworkout.
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What are all the Negative Dorian folk basing how he trained on. ?
The Blood & Guts video ?
If so that one video constitutes exactly how he trained every time does it,
Well I know my workouts vary in weights & intensity & doing such as drop sets etc.
How many here trained at Temple gym & or knew those other than just Leroy
Who trained with & knew Dorian. ?
Sure is a Lot of experts on how Dorian trained on here .
I'm more a volume training person than 1-2 set HIT.
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What are all the Negative Dorian folk basing how he trained on. ?
The Blood & Guts video ?
If so that one video constitutes exactly how he trained every time does it,
Well I know my workouts vary in weights & intensity & doing such as drop sets etc.
How many here trained at Temple gym & or knew those other than just Leroy
Who trained with & knew Dorian. ?
Sure is a Lot of experts on how Dorian trained on here .
I'm more a volume training person than 1-2 set HIT.
Dorian > Ronnie
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If it was about drugs, why isn't this guy Mr. Olympia then? ???
(https://liftn.com/wp-content/uploads/bb-1.jpg)
It's not all about drugs,you need to have a great drug response.
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If it was about drugs, why isn't this guy Mr. Olympia then? ???
(https://liftn.com/wp-content/uploads/bb-1.jpg)
Probably because he's dead.
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Dorian < Ronnie’s cock
:D ;D
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:D ;D
Word. ;D
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Who wins in a fight, Dorian or Ronnie?
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Who wins in a fight, Dorian or Ronnie?
Can Ronnie use his cane or wheelchair as a weapon?
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Can Ronnie use his cane or wheelchair as a weapon?
Bro...
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It's because I'm going to hard or it's due to certain conditions in the gym.
too fast
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I used to puke every single training session. Often puked before the session. Would puke after a single set of calf raises. Then a few years later it just stopped happening. Can't pin it on anything specific, can just say how it was for me. One "expert" I emailed thought it was probably the orals I took preworkout.
thats called Bulimia
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What are all the Negative Dorian folk basing how he trained on. ?
The Blood & Guts video ?
If so that one video constitutes exactly how he trained every time does it,
Well I know my workouts vary in weights & intensity & doing such as drop sets etc.
How many here trained at Temple gym & or knew those other than just Leroy
Who trained with & knew Dorian. ?
Sure is a Lot of experts on how Dorian trained on here .
I'm more a volume training person than 1-2 set HIT.
His early journals and articles from the 80's show how he really trained to build up. It was not one set. He did various methods such as pyramid sets, straight sets, reverse sets, drop sets etc to build up. Blood and Guts the vid is just for entertainment purposes. Yates has built a "myth" around that vid but it sure was not the way he trained most of the time.
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DORIAN training back with the 2 youngest german IFBB-Pros !!
did it work out...
where are they now ?
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His early journals and articles from the 80's show how he really trained to build up. It was not one set. He did various methods such as pyramid sets, straight sets, reverse sets, drop sets etc to build up. Blood and Guts the vid is just for entertainment purposes. Yates has built a "myth" around that vid but it sure was not the way he trained most of the time.
He did a three-day torso/limbs split with a decent amount of sets three days per week for years.
Then he went to a two-on, one-off, one-on, one-off split:
Workout 1: chest, bis, tris
Workout 2: legs
Workout 3: shoulders, back
Then he went to a four way split in which “only worked out for 45 minutes per week, four times per week,” with “one set to failure.”
He went to one set after he… yawn… met Mike Mentzer… and… yawn… did a workout with him and … yawn… he, as per Mike, reported to Mike, that his biceps got bigger by the next morning.