DORIAN training back with the 2 youngest german IFBB-Pros !!

[Rmj11]

Routine hasn't changed one bit since his blood and guts days. Doz doesn't seem to believe in permanent education

Yates is just another hit con man. He used various methods to build his body. He did NOT use HIT strictly to build it. People who watch his blood and guts (snigger) video don't realise that is not the way he trained from day 1. Nor, I suspect, was that the way he trained most of the time in his Olympia days. People believe it because Yates says so? He just trying to stay relevant to make some cash when his bodybuilding hey day is long over with. What else has he got? Just marketing on his so called legacy to keep in the limelight and not fade into obscurity like the vast of popular bodybuilders have done.

[Dalnet]

Yates is just another hit con man. He used various methods to build his body. He did NOT use HIT strictly to build it. People who watch his blood and guts (snigger) video don't realise that is not the way he trained from day 1. Nor, I suspect, was that the way he trained most of the time in his Olympia days. People believe it because Yates says so? He just trying to stay relevant to make some cash when his bodybuilding hey day is long over with. What else has he got? Just marketing on his so called legacy to keep in the limelight and not fade into obscurity like the vast of popular bodybuilders have done.

Dorian is a money man. In various ways. Some good some not so good. He's not desperate for cash by any means, but you're right that since he has the reputation as a HIT bb, it's a great angle to go with. I don't blame him for doing his thing. He's marketed his line well and has matured a lot.

[BBSSchlemiel]

Didn’t watch video.

Let me guess:

Machine pullovers
Lat pulldowns
Bent over shrugs… ahem… bent-over rows
Hyperextensions
Partial deadlifts

All done with too much weight and  taken until form turns to garbage with forced and partial reps.

[Rmj11]

Didn’t watch video.

Let me guess:

Machine pullovers
Lat pulldowns
Bent over shrugs… ahem… bent-over rows
Hyperextensions
Partial deadlifts

All done with too much weight and  taken until form turns to garbage with forced and partial reps.

Exactly. Same old Yates with the same old injury inducing workout.

[Rmj11]

Dorian is a money man. In various ways. Some good some not so good. He's not desperate for cash by any means, but you're right that since he has the reputation as a HIT bb, it's a great angle to go with. I don't blame him for doing his thing. He's marketed his line well and has matured a lot.

He's trying to maintain a lifestyle with his gold digging man-wife.

[Gym Rat]

"Doz" ??   

Doz he swallow the caulk???

[Fortress]

He’s gotta be beyond bored to tears with this shit.

Unless you’re the one actually doing the lifting, how could you possibly manage to give a rat’s ass after SO many go-throughs?

[BBSSchlemiel]

Exactly. Same old Yates with the same old injury inducing workout.

Gee, how I did I know? 

[Rmj11]

He’s gotta be beyond bored to tears with this shit.

Unless you’re the one actually doing the lifting, how could you possibly manage to give a rat’s ass after SO many go-throughs?

He actually looks kind of depressed these days as the realisation is beginning to dawn on him that the first half of his life was directed at bodybuilding but now he's confused on where to go in the next half. Seriously, how many times does he have to go out and tell the same story about his rise to bodybuilding stardom? How many times does he have to explain his style of training? How many times does he have to keep the "myth" of his legacy to stay relevant? Why doesn't he get qualified at something else and really move on? Others have. Look at Platz. Once bodybuilding was over for him he went into the corporate world for many years. Franco became a chiropractor. Jeff King went on to chiropractic school and pursued that career until 2005 then he finished his Doctorate in Physical Therapy from Springfield College in Massachusetts and he also graduated from the police academy. Arnold we know about.

Yates just seems to be very stuck in a rut living on past glories. Kinda of sad.

[honest]

He actually looks kind of depressed these days as the realisation is beginning to dawn on him  him that the first half of his life was directed at bodybuilding but now he's confused on where to go in the next half. Seriously, how many times does he have to go out and tell the same story about his rise to bodybuilding stardom? How many times does he have to explain his style of training? How many times does he have to keep the "myth" of his legacy to keep try and keep relevant? Why doesn't he get qualified at something else and really move on. Others have. Look at Platz. Once bodybuilding was over for him he went into the corporate world for many years. Franco became a chiropractor. Jeff King went on to chiropractic school and pursued that career until 2005 then he finished his Doctorate in Physical Therapy from Springfield College in Massachusetts and he also graduated from the police academy. Arnold we know about.

Yates just seems to be very stuck in a rut living on past glories. Kinda of sad.

I agree stays stoned most of the day as he seems to have run out of ambition. More to life than bodybuilding and sitting around stoned all day.

[BBSSchlemiel]

He actually looks kind of depressed these days as the realisation is beginning to dawn on him  him that the first half of his life was directed at bodybuilding but now he's confused on where to go in the next half. Seriously, how many times does he have to go out and tell the same story about his rise to bodybuilding stardom? How many times does he have to explain his style of training? How many times does he have to keep the "myth" of his legacy to keep try and keep relevant? Why doesn't he get qualified at something else and really move on. Others have. Look at Platz. Once bodybuilding was over for him he went into the corporate world for many years. Franco became a chiropractor. Jeff King went on to chiropractic school and pursued that career until 2005 then he finished his Doctorate in Physical Therapy from Springfield College in Massachusetts and he also graduated from the police academy. Arnold we know about.

Yates just seems to be very stuck in a rut living on past glories. Kinda of sad.

He was a disadvantaged young buck…

He was running on da track and a teacha said, “yo, it’s time to pack it in,”… but he kept runnin… which showed he had dat fire…

Then he did dumb shit and went to da clink and started hittin’ da weights…

Then he became a top notch bodybuilder…

He didn’t go to Venice beach, a hotbed of vices and hoes…

He stayed in da dungeon in England, liftin’, power eatin’, avoiding all da American clowns…

Then he kicked everyone’s ass for seven years.

Whenever he did too many sets, he got tired.

So he met Mentzer one day, and reduced his sets.

He once gained like 30 pounds in a year from “better dieting”.

After BB, he went clubbin’ and started slaying’ hoes…

Den he calmed down, settled down with some South American gym broad, hoppin’ all over da globe and taking whacked out stuff, doin’ Eastern philosophy, yoga, biking…

Now he’s doing da podcast circuit.

See, I memorized it.

I still like him though. 😀

[Van_Bilderass]

If Dorian's training is the same as everyone elses why do you say it's especially injury inducing? Because it's not the same. A major element is the progressive overload. Dorian's form was excellent though, it wasn't ego lifting.
There comes a time where you are simply too strong for your tendons, tendons that might be compromised by the drugs.

The ones who don't get injured typically do the same EXACT workout they always did, same load and same volume. Same volume of muscle mass too. For decades straight. Try to push things and try to get stronger = injuries will happen.

Like I said in the beginning of the thread, look at Cormier training legs with Dorian. Do you think that is how hard all pros train all the time? Not a chance.

[Bevo]

If it was about drugs, why isn't this guy Mr. Olympia then?

He’s not Mr Olympia cause he’s dead, never had a chance to get the coveted pro card

[illuminati]

Routine hasn't changed one bit since his blood and guts days. Doz doesn't seem to believe in permanent education

When was the wheel invented ?
Does it still work & do what it was intended to do ?
Has anyone improved upon it in the time since it was invented,  if not why not ?

[affeman]

When was the wheel invented ?
Does it still work & do what it was intended to do ?
Has anyone improved upon it in the time since it was invented,  if not why not ?

I'd say so...

[Humble Narcissist]

Yates is just another hit con man. He used various methods to build his body. He did NOT use HIT strictly to build it. People who watch his blood and guts (snigger) video don't realise that is not the way he trained from day 1. Nor, I suspect, was that the way he trained most of the time in his Olympia days. People believe it because Yates says so? He just trying to stay relevant to make some cash when his bodybuilding hey day is long over with. What else has he got? Just marketing on his so called legacy to keep in the limelight and not fade into obscurity like the vast of popular bodybuilders have done.

Taking the drugs he took with his cutting diet, pushups, pullups and squats would have built a great physique.

[BigRo]

Bodybuilding is completely about drugs and your response to the drugs. Fuck all these "special training programs". A complete crock of shit lapped up by the gullible.

No it's not. I trained for years as a natty teen and built a solid physique.

[illuminati]

No it's not. I trained for years as a natty teen and built a solid physique.

Same - I won 2 British power lifting championships no gear
[mind wish I had been more wise & used as I may well of won a world championship]  and built a decent physique as won a good few bodybuilding
shows as well.

[illuminati]

I'd say so...

It's more fancy yes - It's still round - shape hasn't changed one bit.
hasn't been improved, as round is perfect shape for a wheel.

Try again. 



 

[Bevo]

No it's not. I trained for years as a natty teen and built a solid physique.

But it is though. How far you can go as a pro is your response to gear usage and how you can tolerate the dosages with minimum side effects

Kevin Levrone is the perfect example

[Gym Rat]

No it's not. I trained for years as a natty teen and built a solid physique.

Most Natty's look like crap in those Fed's. You had a good natty physique, not all do... Reworded:

"Pro BB is all about the drugs and response to them"... I dont think anyone w/ 1/2 a brain can argue that it isnt...

[Dalnet]

Most Natty's look like crap in those Fed's. You had a good natty physique, not all do... Reworded:

"Pro BB is all about the drugs and response to them"... I dont think anyone w/ 1/2 a brain can argue that it isnt...

It's definitely safe to say that without steroids; 90% of lifters wouldn't last more than a year before giving up the gym.

[Rmj11]

If Dorian's training is the same as everyone elses why do you say it's especially injury inducing? Because it's not the same. A major element is the progressive overload. Dorian's form was excellent though, it wasn't ego lifting.
There comes a time where you are simply too strong for your tendons, tendons that might be compromised by the drugs.

The ones who don't get injured typically do the same EXACT workout they always did, same load and same volume. Same volume of muscle mass too. For decades straight. Try to push things and try to get stronger = injuries will happen.

Like I said in the beginning of the thread, look at Cormier training legs with Dorian. Do you think that is how hard all pros train all the time? Not a chance.

It is the same as in style.

Dorian's form wasn't that great and no better than most.

Volume guys don't get that injured. But Yates had many injuries because he used too much weight.

Cormier puked because their in the gym with hardly no air condition and it's underground. The "temple" was a shit hole. Had nothing to do with the "intensity."

[BBSSchlemiel]

It is the same as in style.

Dorian's form wasn't that great and no better than most.

Volume guys don't get that injured. But Yates had many injuries because he used too much weight.

Cormier puked because their in the gym with hardly no air condition and it's underground. The "temple" was a shit hole. Had nothing to do with the "intensity."

There is no glory training in a way that makes one sick or feel like shit and it’s unnecessary. This whole notion that a certain training style is good because it’s debilitating it’s BS.

[Rmj11]

There is no glory training in a way that makes one sick or feel like shit and it’s unnecessary. This whole notion that a certain training style is good because it’s debilitating it’s BS.

Exactly. Whenever I've felt sick or a bit faint from training I stop immediately. Puking your guts out in the gym isn't hardcore. It's dumb.